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Not sure which forum this is to be posted in as its has material relevant to both: Crennel: Frye still QB, for nowFriday, April 20, 2007 By Steve Doerschuk repository sports writer UNIONTOWN Romeo Crennel is sworn to secrecy regarding the draft. The Browns head coach did shed a little light Thursday on how certain things will look depending on who isn't the No. 3 overall pick April 28. Speaking at the Northeast Ohio Celebrity Luncheon Club benefiting Boys and Girls Clubs of America, Crennel said JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn both have "outstanding ability" and are among five college stars his Browns might grab. What if they don't pluck one of those passers? "Right now, Charlie (Frye) has a leg up for the starting job," Crennel said. "And Derek Anderson showed us enough that we have to give him a chance. So there will be a competition in training camp, and the best man will win." Crennel ack`nowledged Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas is one of the draftable Big Five. If it's no go for Joe? Crennel is inclined to keep $49.5 million free agency pick-up Eric Steinbach at left guard. "Normally that's what we'd like to do, because he's been a left guard," Crennel said. "As we get out there and see what the guys can do, you have to make that determination. Is it best to leave him there or to move him to left tackle?" Kevin Shaffer, a $36 million free agency pick-up last year, came away from an up-and-down 2006 season saying his goal is to be a Pro Bowl left tackle. "You want the kid to believe in himself," Crennel said. "If he doesn't, he won't be able to play at all, particularly against some of the people he has to face on that side. "The fact he has the confidence and want-to is a plus. Time will tell how good a left tackle he'll be, because even though he was a left tackle in Atlanta, he was blocking for a left-handed quarterback (Michael Vick)." Most left tackles make the big bucks because they protect righty QBs' blind sides. Crennel seems encouraged by right tackle Ryan Tucker's recovery from mental issues that marred his 2006 season. "Ryan is more healthy. He feels better," Crennel said. "Right now, things are going good, and we feel he's going to be able to play." Penciled in as starters on the offensive line are Shaffer at left tackle, Steinbach at left guard, Hank Fraley at center and Tucker at right tackle. Injury-plagued center LeCharles Bentley is rehabbing in Arizona and will decide on another surgery "this spring." "Another surgery basically eliminates him for this year," Crennel said. "If he doesn't have the surgery, I don't know if he'll be far enough along for us to count on." Right guard is open. "We have talked about the possibility of moving (Tucker) inside," Crennel said. "Do you basically weaken two spots by moving him inside? Or do you let him remain where he is - and he's a very good right tackle - and see if you can come up with someone else for that guard spot?" The right guard candidates? "We can move Joe Andruzzi over, and (2006 Round 4 pick) Isaac Sowells is a possibility, and so is (free agency pick-up) Seth McKinney," Crennel said. Andruzzi, an 11th-year pro, started at left guard in 2005 and '06. "Joe had some surgery to clean out particles in his knees," Crennel said. "He's beginning to run. He's lifting. "The reason I got Joe here was he gives me everything he's got. ... Sometimes wear and tear takes its toll." Crennel confirmed Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson is one of the Big Five. If Peterson isn't the pick, free agent Jamal Lewis would be the undisputed workhorse. "He's a proven runner who has some straight-line speed," Crennel said. "He's a tough guy to tackle. We feel he will be a slight upgrade for us." Calvin Johnson completes the Big Five. But if the Georgia Tech wideout isn't the one, Travis Wilson, a Round 3 pick last year, comes into focus. Wilson sat out 12 of the first 13 games and had two 16-yard catches in December. Why wasn't he used more? "There were several guys in front of him," Crennel said. "Joe Jurevicius, Dennis Northcutt, Braylon Edwards, even (Joshua) Cribbs. They were a little bit further along than he was. "I expect that this offseason he'll work much harder. He'll be better prepared to play than he was last season. For one thing, he held out." Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail: steve.doerschuk@cantonrep.com STATE OF THE BROWNS Browns Head Coach Romeo Crennel discusses the upcoming NFL draft, among other things, during his talk Thursday at the Northeast Ohio Celebrity Luncheon Club. The draft is April 28-29. lincoln
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I think this is an interesting article. It allows for much speculation.
As much as I love Joe Thomas, I don't think the Browns are going to take him. They are going to make yet another mistake and go w/the marketing pick.
If the Browns move Steinbach to LT, and they might, they will making a mistake. I don't think Steinbach would be a good LT, but he is a VERY good guard.
While Shaffer probably won't be a better LT than Steiny, who the hell is going to play LG?
Tucker can play either RT or RG. He would be fine at either.
If the OL stays as is............it is going to suck again and people are going to lose their jobs.
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Let's see what he says come Monday after the draft. Quote:
Crennel ack`nowledged Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas is one of the draftable Big Five. If it's no go for Joe? Crennel is inclined to keep $49.5 million free agency pick-up Eric Steinbach at left guard.
Common sense. Something the Browns have been short of lately.
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I think this is an interesting article. It allows for much speculation.
As much as I love Joe Thomas, I don't think the Browns are going to take him. They are going to make yet another mistake and go w/the marketing pick.
If the Browns move Steinbach to LT, and they might, they will making a mistake. I don't think Steinbach would be a good LT, but he is a VERY good guard.
While Shaffer probably won't be a better LT than Steiny, who the hell is going to play LG?
Tucker can play either RT or RG. He would be fine at either.
If the OL stays as is............it is going to suck again and people are going to lose their jobs.
Unfortunately, I agree... 
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Yes Verse,I think this draft will go a long way to tell us wheather ther're trying to "build a team" or sale tickets and save their asses......................... Hopefully they'll be trying to build the team. 
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If the OL stays as is............it is going to suck again and people are going to lose their jobs.
This is sigworthy material.
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Penciled in as starters on the offensive line are Shaffer at left tackle, Steinbach at left guard, Hank Fraley at center and Tucker at right tackle. Injury-plagued center LeCharles Bentley is rehabbing in Arizona and will decide on another surgery "this spring."
"Another surgery basically eliminates him for this year," Crennel said. "If he doesn't have the surgery, I don't know if he'll be far enough along for us to count on."
I've been saying this for some time now, the news on Bentley is to quite. Everyone assumes he is done for this year and have for months. The guy's second greatest day of his life was when he signed with the Browns, he will do everything to get back on that field and play for his child-hood team. I think he plays week 1.
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As much as I love Joe Thomas, I don't think the Browns are going to take him. They are going to make yet another mistake and go w/the marketing pick.
Isn't that a bit speculatory?
I mean, couldn't they just have Brady or Russel rated off the charts? Taking a more marketable player doesn't always mean its a marketing decision. The more marketable player may just be the better player. Sometimes it just works out that way.
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This second surgery thing has been going around since December. He either needs it or he doesn't, would it really take till almost May to figure out?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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From what I've heard, and I'm telling you, it is hard to find information about this, is that he has build enough strength in his legs to where he is working on the sleds. He needs to have strength in his knee before undergoing another surgery, therefore, if the surgery isn't needed, he has already re-habilitated himself.
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My take on what I've heard is that he's trying to rehab without another surgery. I haven't heard how it's going but the point of the delay and quietness, for lack of better term, is because they simply are waiting to see if the rehab progresses well enough to forego the surgery. If so, he will be back, if not, the surgery would have put him on the shelf for the season anyway. The longer with no news, is good news.
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I got an entirely different vibe from that article.
I got that they aren't happy with Shaffer at LT, but they don't want to shred his confidence.... I think that RAC was kinda saying that Kevin's self expectations aren't quite in line with his capabilities.
I got that moving Steiny is an option, but like moving Tuck, it's something they don't want to do.
I got that they see what we see in Druzzi... that he's a die-hard workhorse, whose time unfortunately has come to go out to pasture... but he'll still be in there giving his all if you call on him, just don't expect much.
I got that despite free agent signings and other moves, there is apparently nooone penciled in at RG.
In short, I got that both LT & RG are wide open and unsettled (perhaps Bentley or Shaffer at RG??).
To me, if I were a bettin' man... says that we are looking quite heavily at Mr. Joe Thomas, and perhaps a follow-up G in rnd 2... we just might not think he'll be there for us.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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They are going to make yet another mistake and go w/the marketing pick.
Considering that the other concensus top-5 guys are a RB, 2 QB's, and a WR, I think you're trying to indict the FO with a false generalization. You're very good at making things black and white to try and make your case, but it's grossly unfair here.
I want Thomas as well, but the other players are serious needs as well (except in the case of Johnson, but he's so damned good it'd be impossible to slam the pick).
It's not a stretch to say that Frye is as bad a QB as Shaffer is as a left tackle, and in fact he may be worse. To suggest the FO is doing it for marketing purposes says they don't want to win, and that's rediculous.
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It's not a stretch to say that Frye is as bad a QB as Shaffer is as a left tackle, and in fact he may be worse. To suggest the FO is doing it for marketing purposes says they don't want to win, and that's rediculous.
I think that's a huge stretch.
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PPE,, now that post makes the most sense to me,,, Thanks for putting my thoughts into words!! you da man! 
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Give me a healthy LeCharles, a adequate LT, and then I'll make my verdict on Frye. Until our O-line is proven solid, I'm still not for or against Frye. I don't think Quinn or Russell are any better than Frye though.
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Isn't that a bit speculatory?
Yes, it is.
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In short, I got that both LT & RG are wide open and unsettled (perhaps Bentley or Shaffer at RG??).
To me, if I were a bettin' man... says that we are looking quite heavily at Mr. Joe Thomas, and perhaps a follow-up G in rnd 2.
Man, I hope you are right and I was just being negative. Nothing could make me happier.
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Considering that the other concensus top-5 guys are a RB, 2 QB's, and a WR, I think you're trying to indict the FO with a false generalization. You're very good at making things black and white to try and make your case, but it's grossly unfair here.
I rarely look at anything in black and white terms.
I do see what you are saying and perhaps I'm wrong. We won't know for a few years and by that time people will either forget--or choose to forget--who said what.
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To suggest the FO is doing it for marketing purposes says they don't want to win, and that's rediculous.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Please don't start that crap again. It's a fact that teams do consider what the fans and media say. They have to "sell" the pick. Selling Thomas is much harder than a flashy QB, RB, or WR. And I'm not talking about the majority of people on here. Let's face it......the majority of people who attend games and buy merchandise never even look at a message board.
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Speaking at the Northeast Ohio Celebrity Luncheon Club benefiting Boys and Girls Clubs of America, Crennel said JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn both have "outstanding ability" and are among five college stars his Browns might grab. What if they don't pluck one of those passers?
"Right now, Charlie (Frye) has a leg up for the starting job," Crennel said. "And Derek Anderson showed us enough that we have to give him a chance. So there will be a competition in training camp, and the best man will win."
Sounds to me like if one of the QB's is there , he's A Brown..and the fact there's going to be a QB competition in TC is a indicator that Frye's job IS NOT SECURE..if it were other things would have been said by Rac..
So if the Browns take the QB..it's not a PR move..it's not a marketing move..
To win, YOU MUST have a competent QB..
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I rarely look at anything in black and white terms.
I agree, and it's a source of respect to me. But, I did add the comment...."to try and make your case." You'll interject the gray areas unless you're really pushing something you're adamant about. (I'd use the word agenda here but I think it'd carry the wrong conotation and I don't want to insinuate that)
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That's not what I'm saying at all. Please don't start that crap again. It's a fact that teams do consider what the fans and media say. They have to "sell" the pick. Selling Thomas is much harder than a flashy QB, RB, or WR.
In this town, I disagree completely. We wouldn't have to sell anyone on Thomas. Truth is, they have a bigger job trying to sell someone besides Thomas.
Now you used the word "marketing" in your previous statement. I took that use of the word differently than you apparently meant it. I took it as selling merchandise and ads. You meant it as a "sell job" to the media and fans. If that's your true intent, it makes more sense even if I still disagree. 
Honestly, this board is a microcosm of the views of the city, and to me, the opinions are clearly split. Some like a QB. Some like Peterson. Some like Thomas. Some hard-liners go pure BPA and want Johnson. There isn't a true concensus player that people like, so there isn't a sell-job that has to be done. Besides, Wimbley wasn't the sexy pick. Most in the city including the media went "WTF?!?! Who in the Hell is Wimbley?!?!" That tells me Savage isn't interested in making excuses for his pick. He simply wants the best guy.
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They are going to make yet another mistake and go w/the marketing pick.
Considering that the other concensus top-5 guys are a RB, 2 QB's, and a WR, I think you're trying to indict the FO with a false generalization. You're very good at making things black and white to try and make your case, but it's grossly unfair here.
I want Thomas as well, but the other players are serious needs as well (except in the case of Johnson, but he's so damned good it'd be impossible to slam the pick).
It's not a stretch to say that Frye is as bad a QB as Shaffer is as a left tackle, and in fact he may be worse. To suggest the FO is doing it for marketing purposes says they don't want to win, and that's rediculous.
Is Savage going to make a pick based strictly on marketing implications? Hell No.
Will that come into play? Hell Yes.
I'm about as sure as is possible, Savage's board looks something like this:
CJ - 99
JR - 98
JT, AD - 97
BQ - 96
If Thomas or Peterson or Johnson is there and Phil takes Quinn, what's the determining factor in the pick?
Sure, this is speculatory, but I'm pretty confident - with the info I have - that we might see something of this manner play out next Saturday.
I guess it depends on your point-of-view.
If Frye is the ultimate weakness, this is a good move.
If Schaffer is the ultimate weakness, this is a bad move.
This will be more interesting in July and August, cause I'll actually be able to see/hear how things played out.
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Is Savage going to make a pick based strictly on marketing implications? Hell No.
Will that come into play? Hell Yes.
As I told Vers, I don't agree. At all.
Wimbley was the least marketable/sexy/callitwhatyouwant pick last year, but he traded down, bypassing Ngata, and took him. He then passed on some "sexy" offensive linemen and moved up to select an undersized MLB. With the 3rd pick, he isn't going to look at all the guys left and give one more points because he's easier to sell to the fans and media. He's going to take the guy that, in his opinion, does the most for the team.
Besides, as noted, no matter who he takes, he's going to have some sect of the fanbase and media that doesn't like it, simply because we're all split on who he should take. Some like Thomas, some like Peterson, some like one of the QB's, and some like Johnson. There isn't an overwhelming majority, so selling it to anyone isn't a factor.
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CJ - 99
JR - 98
JT, AD - 97
BQ - 96
I'd change that to:
CJ - 100 (...and then trade down - but the Lions will beat us to the punch)
JR - 98 (Too good to pass up)
JT, BQ - 96 (Coinflip this one)
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As much as I love Joe Thomas, I don't think the Browns are going to take him. They are going to make yet another mistake and go w/the marketing pick.
I seriously doubt the Browns and Savage are going for someone just for publicity. The sexy pick to make the public happy.
Browns fans know their football, and a sexy pick isn't always what they want. As you can see from the board, there's tons of Joe Thomas pimps out there. [
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Is Savage going to make a pick based strictly on marketing implications? Hell No.
Will that come into play? Hell Yes.
As I told Vers, I don't agree. At all.
Wimbley was the least marketable/sexy/callitwhatyouwant pick last year, but he traded down, bypassing Ngata, and took him. He then passed on some "sexy" offensive linemen and moved up to select an undersized MLB. With the 3rd pick, he isn't going to look at all the guys left and give one more points because he's easier to sell to the fans and media. He's going to take the guy that, in his opinion, does the most for the team.
Besides, as noted, no matter who he takes, he's going to have some sect of the fanbase and media that doesn't like it, simply because we're all split on who he should take. Some like Thomas, some like Peterson, some like one of the QB's, and some like Johnson. There isn't an overwhelming majority, so selling it to anyone isn't a factor.
For the record, I hope you're right and I'm wrong....
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As much as I love Joe Thomas, I don't think the Browns are going to take him. They are going to make yet another mistake and go w/the marketing pick.
I seriously doubt the Browns and Savage are going for someone just for publicity. The sexy pick to make the public happy.
Browns fans know their football, and a sexy pick isn't always what they want. As you can see from the board, there's tons of Joe Thomas pimps out there.
IMO, this is the best schooled message board on the game of football... So, with the importance of OL coupled with the needs of the Cleveland Browns, that's just natural given the environment.
Other boards, the mention of Joe Thomas is scoffed at. That's why I'm here and not there.
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PPE, you read that article exactly as I did. nuff said.
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No praying emoticons. That would just lead to the inevitable dissapointment emoticons, followed by the temper-tantrum emoticons, hehe.
Let me spin the thought and ask you an honest question Mav. Without looking at the board or the other places on the net, I'd like you to think about it for a moment, and tell me which of the three likely positions (CJ really isn't likely so he's not getting alot of play) of OT, RB, and QB have the most support?
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Hey if RG is the current Hole on the Oline why dispare now? The draft is loaded with quality Gaurds. I see up picking up a day 1 starting in round 2. I mean put the line ups back there and put Sears, Grubbs or Blaylock in there. Then tell me the line is sooo bad. Also on NFL network Phil said the #3 pick should be starting day one unless it was a QB. So if we do go Thomas I still think RG in round 2. Overall I'm pretty excited about this year. 
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hey Toad, I agree with you 100%. Besides, did anyone actually listen to Phil's press conference the other day? If I remember he said something to the effect that "we are not taking the Best Player Available, we are taking the Best Player Available For The Browns. (not the exact quote but the same idea) He said it was their catch phrase around Berea. "Best Player Available For The Browns." To me this means that he is taking the Best Player for the TEAM, not the BPA for the fans or media. Big difference. I still think Thomas is our pick but if he's not there then I think either C.J. or Peterson will be the pick. I'm hoping all the QB talk is mostly a smokescreen.
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Is Savage going to make a pick based strictly on marketing implications? Hell No.
Will that come into play? Hell Yes.
If it does .. he needs to BE FIRED NOW ... hes never going to succeed ... ANY GM or FO that listens to their fans or tries to APPEASE THEM in even the smallest of ways is going to FAIL 99 times out of 100 ...
and BTW .. the best way to MARKET or SELL your team is to WIN ..
Opie and RAC and if Lerner gets involved have to pick based on who they think is the best pick ... PERIOD .. anything else is going to ultimately lead to FAILURE ... cause U can't build a winner that way ...
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JR - 98
JT, AD - 97
BQ - 96
If Thomas or Peterson or Johnson is there and Phil takes Quinn, what's the determining factor in the pick?
u need to clarify here ... u have contacts and if this is your contact talking .. that changes the answer to the question as opposed if your ranking is your opinion ... the way U word it in this part makes it sound like its your contact talking ...
if thats the case ... heres a very valid NON SELLING/MARKETING reason BQ could have been the pick .. and this again is ASSuming this is the teams board and not just Opies .. and things didnt change between when your contact got his info from where ever he gets it from ...
1. Russell is off the board ...
2. Opie crossess off CJ and AD cause of the positionthey play and the relative ease to find players at those positions compared to LT and QB ..
3. Opie realizes that QB is the MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER on the team ... so although BQ is below JT he plays a MORE VALUABLE POSITION ... and QB's are VERY VERY HARD TO FIND ..
for u to insinuate that if BQ is picked it is soley based on Opie to the marketing folks or looking for the easier pick to defend to the fans is a JOKE at best ...
even if BQ is a clear #5 as far as BPA goes .. when u factor in other things (including how close he is # wise to the other 4 ... i mean if BQ was a 90 or 92 or 93 .. then he shouldnt'; be considered .. ) ... such as position and our needs .... it becomes a MUCH BETTER pick football wise ..
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Sure, this is speculatory, but I'm pretty confident - with the info I have - that we might see something of this manner play out next Saturday.
I guess it depends on your point-of-view.
If Frye is the ultimate weakness, this is a good move.
If Schaffer is the ultimate weakness, this is a bad move.
This will be more interesting in July and August, cause I'll actually be able to see/hear how things played out.
and hear u confuse me ... u make it sound like its your contact talking again and then in the last sentance it sounds like u won't know what happend or what the board is from your contact until August ... or you got the board from your contact (who knows if this is up to the moment info or 3 weeks old) ,,, and wont find out how draft day actually played out until around August ..
and i'm not slamming u here (for once .. *L*) ... just trying to figure it out and ask questions .. u know what i think of your football knowledge .. but i LOVE the fact u get inside info .. thats GREAT .. and i also know that puts u way ahead of me in knowledge when it comes to the browns ... and believe me .. i may slam u on alot of things .. but i APPRECIATTE the info u give .. THANKS for that ... its AWESOME ... and i mean that ..
and either BQ or Joe will be GREAT PICKS regardless of who is the weakest link between Shaff and frye .. they both need to be REPLACED .. until they are .... we'll definetly IMPROVE as others improve around them .. but to get to where we wanna go ... neither of them can be STARTERS at their current positions ... so saying its gonne depend on whos worse between the two .. thats HOOOEY ..
Vers the way u come across on here is that there doing for marketing .. pure and simple .. it may not be what u mean .. but its how u come across ... and to me .. weather its easier to sell to the fans marketing or ticket sales/memorabilia sales its the same thing .... so no diff to me .. and at the end of the day .. EITHER ONE LEADS TO LOSING FRANCHISES ..
and guys ... no one has pimped or wants BQ more than me .. but like i ahve said many many times if its Joe thats a GREAT PICK .. its most of u that have the problem if it isn't your guy .. BQ will be a GREAT PICK for us ... and if it happens .. u will see .. u may be pi$$ed on draft day but u will love it down the road ..
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It's a fact that teams do consider what the fans and media say. They have to "sell" the pick. Selling Thomas is much harder than a flashy QB, RB, or WR.
Article is a few days old...but relevant to the discussion:
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Draft plan is still secret
Instead, Savage polls media on first pick, but they can't agree, either
By Patrick McManamon
Beacon Journal sportswriter
BEREA - Phil Savage's news conference had ended, and the Browns' general manager sat talking with several members of the media.
As he stood to go back to work, he stopped and said: ``OK, (quarterback JaMarcus) Russell and (receiver Calvin) Johnson are gone. Who do you take?''
The poll of 10 or so writers was almost evenly split between Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson and Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, with Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas getting one vote.
Savage's choice?
He wasn't saying. He kept his straight face Tuesday as he discussed the Browns' plans for the April 28 and 29 NFL Draft.
How discreet was Savage being? Consider this: He said he will consider the player's future in the short term, the long term and in between. Which pretty much covers all the bases.
Savage has to play it close at this point, though. Because he's still not sure what the two teams ahead of him -- the Oakland Raiders picking first and the Detroit Lions, second -- are going to do (even though he played the ``what if?'' game with the media).
Oh, Savage has an idea that the Raiders are focusing on Russell and Johnson, but they are probably among the league's most unpredictable teams.
And there's always the possibility one or both of the top two teams will trade out of the spot.
``I would say that what little bit of knowledge I know, or have to this point, it certainly sounds like they're willing to listen,'' Savage said. ``But we're willing to listen, too.''
Savage has had contact from other teams interested in the third spot. One general manager e-mailed him Monday.
Savage's response: ``We're open to anything''
And he'll keep those options open, because if Savage tips his hand, another team could trade to one of the top two spots and ``steal'' that player.
About the best anyone will get from the Browns' general manager is that he will pick from a group of five if they keep the third overall pick.
Those are Russell, Johnson, Quinn, Peterson and Thomas.
Those are the five players ``at the top of this board that pretty much everyone in the NFL is focused on,'' he said while perusing a draft pundit's list of players.
The Browns' choice will not be based on need, he said, and it will not be merely the best player available.
Instead, it will be a combination.
``Best player available for the Browns,'' he said.
Which might seem to rule out Johnson, because the Browns took Braylon Edwards third overall two years ago.
Then again, it might not.
``There aren't many of these type of players walking around,'' Savage said. ``This guy is a big-time talent.''
Of course, there's always Peterson, the running back.
``He's definitely a guy that swings for the fences, and he does it on a down-to-down basis,'' Savage said.
Thomas is a tackle who can be plugged into a lineup for 10 years, Quinn a quarterback ready for the pros and Russell a terrific talent at quarterback.
The guessing continues, with this certainty: Amidst all the wondering and questioning, one fact remains -- no matter who it is, the Browns will select a talented player that they like.
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Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com.
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No praying emoticons. That would just lead to the inevitable dissapointment emoticons, followed by the temper-tantrum emoticons, hehe.
Let me spin the thought and ask you an honest question Mav. Without looking at the board or the other places on the net, I'd like you to think about it for a moment, and tell me which of the three likely positions (CJ really isn't likely so he's not getting alot of play) of OT, RB, and QB have the most support?
I'd say either RB or QB.
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and BTW .. the best way to MARKET or SELL your team is to WIN ..
Absolutely!
If this organization hasn't figured that out by now, we're in bigger trouble than any of us realize.
Not that this precludes them from "picking sexy", but it had best be with the thinking that the "sexy" pick ALSO gives us the best chance on the field.
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Good. So in your opinion, there isn't a concensus guy. You could say If either is taken, it'll upset the other guys camp. So would Savage really be in a position to have to sell one player to the other side in that case?
The only way he'd have to do a sell-job is if he really screwed people up and took someone like Adams. So would he then have to attempt to influence people regarding his decision? I go back to Wimbley last year, who was by all accounts a guy in our collective rear-view mirrors. It seemed a toss-up between Bunkley and Ngata for the longest time, with Wimbley showing up towards the end of the race. So when it was time to select a guy, did he go with the path of least resistance? Nope, he chose Wimbley regardless.
I see nothing here that suggests his hand would be influenced by media or fan pressure. Even if he felt that way, which the track record shows he doesn't, in this perticular draft the opinions are so split that there isn't a "marketable" guy.
I wouldn't worry about that one Mav.
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I'm about as sure as is possible, Savage's board looks something like this:
CJ - 99
JR - 98
JT, AD - 97
BQ - 96 Well, if you're right, and you might be, my impression would be that we'll end up with JT. I've thought all along that even though Crazy Al is in charge in Oakland they cannot bypass Russell for anyone else. Not this year. While Detroit will either keep the pick and take Quinn or trade it to Tampa who will take CJ. Now if Detroit does take Quinn we could end up with CJ but I believe that Phil would take the best player available, meaning the best player for the Browns' needs. Which is obviously Thomas. At least in my opinion. I think it's telling that last year Phil barely mentioned Wimbley, if at all. Now this year he's barely mentioned Thomas. Coincidence? I hope not. Honestly, the only pick that would leave me mildly upset would be Peterson. I just think there's too much injury risk there to take him that high. Of course, I could be totally full of crap. That's happened before, too...... 
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Of course, I could be totally full of crap.
Otto, if you're feeling confused about it, would you like some reinforcement?
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I gotta make this quick...
This stuff comes from the players (multiple) and they don't have all the answers, they have rumors and info that isn't "classified". This stuff isn't concrete by any means, I hope everyone realizes that...it's just better than stuff you read in the papers.
and hear u confuse me ... u make it sound like its your contact talking again and then in the last sentance it sounds like u won't know what happend or what the board is from your contact until August ... or you got the board from your contact (who knows if this is up to the moment info or 3 weeks old) ,,, and wont find out how draft day actually played out until around August ..
The BPA list I gave you, that's straight from a handful of guys. The stuff that's consistent from the fellas I know, is the stuff I give some merit.
I'll see the actual scouting rooms and things in July and August and see where these players were ranked.
for u to insinuate that if BQ is picked it is soley based on Opie to the marketing folks or looking for the easier pick to defend to the fans is a JOKE at best ...
Nope, nope, nope...
I didn't say anything about appeasing the fans.
Now, the Marketing people (Lerner) that's a different story.
Not only has the media reported it, but that's the word from the guys I talk to...Savage and wants Peterson, Lerner wants Quinn.
I don't know for sure, as I said this isn't concrete, but that's the word I'm getting...what you do with that info is up to you.
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Again, I hope so...but I gotta bad feeling.
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My take on what I've heard is that he's trying to rehab without another surgery. I haven't heard how it's going but the point of the delay and quietness, for lack of better term, is because they simply are waiting to see if the rehab progresses well enough to forego the surgery. If so, he will be back, if not, the surgery would have put him on the shelf for the season anyway. The longer with no news, is good news.
I said a long time ago, we would not hear about LCB untill after the draft, and we won't. You will hear more on him in early to mid may Coach.
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Well, I'll have to admit if anyone knows about being full of crap it will be you....
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