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Tony Grossi threw this out there today as a possible trade. Honestly, I like this trade. I think with the 16th they can possibly get Mike Evans (if not, Darquez Dennard) . With the 26th they take Derrick Carr (If they really like him). 35 probably gets you either Sua-Filo (OG) or Jason Verrett (CB). Then you pick up the best LB, or OL left. Or even package some of these picks to move back into the 1st round.
Plus, you'll have a pick somewhere between 12 and 20 next year in the 1st round. What's not to like?
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I would take the trade if and only if Manziel, Bridgewater, and Carr all went off the board in front of us.
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I wouldnot do it unless Watkins was off the board.
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Watkins is my pick at #4 as well, but if you can get 2 more starters out of it, I still think the trade might make sense. Of course, it's tough because you have no idea who will be available at 16, 35, and 47.
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I would take the trade if and only if Manziel, Bridgewater, and Carr all went off the board in front of us.
Dallas would only be making this trade for Manziel, from what I've read.
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I agree 100%. If Watkins is there, pick him. If not, I'd be up for a trade scenario.
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Yup, I'd do it. In a heartbeat.
Adding another 1st rounder for next year while still having two this year AND picking up an additional 2nd this year?
Sign me up.
If, like everyone is saying recently, one of our targeted QB's will be there at 26, then he'll definitely be there at 16, too. There will be a whole lot of talent still on the board at this point, and at positions we really need.
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I would take the trade if and only if Manziel, Bridgewater, and Carr all went off the board in front of us.
Dallas would only be making this trade for Manziel, from what I've read.
Ah, ok. Thought it might have been for Clowney.
In that case,
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Tony Grossi threw this out there today as a possible trade. Honestly, I like this trade. I think with the 16th they can possibly get Mike Evans (if not, Darquez Dennard) . With the 26th they take Derrick Carr (If they really like him). 35 probably gets you either Sua-Filo (OG) or Jason Verrett (CB). Then you pick up the best LB, or OL left. Or even package some of these picks to move back into the 1st round.
Plus, you'll have a pick somewhere between 12 and 20 next year in the 1st round. What's not to like?
add Romo to the deal and you have yourself a trade (not sure Dallas can afford the cap ramifications of trading him though)
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I agree 100%. If Watkins is there, pick him. If not, I'd be up for a trade scenario.
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I agree 100%. If Watkins is there, pick him. If not, I'd be up for a trade scenario.
Hate me for hating but.....because we all know drafting a top WR equates to winning immediately
no but if we pick up a WR, G and a LB with out first three picks we are in really good shape to help Hoyer and see what he can really do.
Next year we will have a lot less holes and we can pick a QB/ have the same type of ammo to trade up and get the top QB in the draft.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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I agree 100%. If Watkins is there, pick him. If not, I'd be up for a trade scenario.
Hate me for hating but.....because we all know drafting a top WR equates to winning immediately
It equates to winning immediately every bit as much as reaching for a questionable QB. (See Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Jamarcus Russell, Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith.... )
You don't need the very best prospect QB in the draft, what you need is the right QB at the right time.. drafting the wrong QB at the right time doesn't work, nor does drafting the right QB at the wrong time... I believe this is the right time for the Browns, we just have to make sure it's the right QB.. or we could set the whole thing back 2-3 more years.
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Just clicking without thinking too much about it...
When was the last time a time really turned it around after taking a guard in the first round?
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You know your on a thread discussing a trade down? I said nothing of a QB. You assumed and you know what you make of yourself by assuming  Acquiring 16, 47 and an extra 1st would come closer to achieving the goals you each listed than taking a WR at 4. You want to fill holes and get a QB next year? Do the deal and get an extra top 50 player and probably the 2nd-4th best WR whom most would argue aren't much less a prospect than the 1st, if at all. You don't want to reach on a QB you deem questionable? Do the deal and take one at less of a risk. If you aren't comfortable taking a QB at 4 and feel one you value could be at 16 why not trade and fill an extra hole with a top 50 prospect in an incredibly deep draft. Taking a WR at 4 instead of taking a deal like this would be utterly foolish. FOOLISH
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Generally I like the idea. Specifically, not going down to 16, that's too far. Somewhere between 8-12 would be far enough to land Gilbert or Dennard. Get extra picks and be able to negotiate from there. That's actually my #1 preferred scenario. JMO
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If the QB we want is there and should be picked at four? No.
If the QB we want isn't there? Yes.
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I agree 100%. If Watkins is there, pick him. If not, I'd be up for a trade scenario.
Hate me for hating but.....because we all know drafting a top WR equates to winning immediately
I guess you're right, reaching for an overvalued QB to pair with our one whole entire wide receiver will get us that long awaited championship immediately. Good point, I now feel like a fool. Thank you for shaming me into my proper place.
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This is all over facebook. I was coming here to PM some people about it. Didn't know it would actually have a thread.
A) How on Earth could it possibly be leaked?
B) Hell yeah. If true, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Thought of an extra 1st in next year's draft makes my mouth water.
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A lot of teams are looking to trade up and I think the Browns will be looking to move down. May not be a big move down but several teams are talking move up. Falcons wanting Mack. Bills wanting Watkins. Giants looking for a top OT. Lions wanting a receiver. Rams talking receiver at 2 and then trading back up for their OT.
I think there is a reason Farmer has been pimping Watkins and Mack. its sparked interest.
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I agree 100%. If Watkins is there, pick him. If not, I'd be up for a trade scenario.
Hate me for hating but.....because we all know drafting a top WR equates to winning immediately
I guess you're right, reaching for an overvalued QB to pair with our one whole entire wide receiver will get us that long awaited championship immediately. Good point, I now feel like a fool. Thank you for shaming me into my proper place.
I can't imagine the comments I'd get if people actually understood the thread and read what I wrote! people on here and their pushy agendas are ridiculous. take your passive aggressive bull and try it elsewhere
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A lot of teams are looking to trade up and I think the Browns will be looking to move down. May not be a big move down but several teams are talking move up. Falcons wanting Mack. Bills wanting Watkins. Giants looking for a top OT. Lions wanting a receiver. Rams talking receiver at 2 and then trading back up for their OT.
I think there is a reason Farmer has been pimping Watkins and Mack. its sparked interest.
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When was the last time a time really turned it around after taking a guard in the first round?
Are you trying to say you hate the idea of an OT that would play OG at 4 or legitimately asking? The last two OL picks that resulted in big turnarounds were Jake Long at LT and Lane Johnson for Philly that played RT so I heard. Realistically true OG's don't typically go early so, depending what you categorize as a turnaround, I'm not sure a playoff team drafting an OG at 20th or so could possibly have a turn around. Personally Id probably only consider something a turn around if a team had double digit losses followed by double digit wins. That I know of probably Hutch and Cooper are the highest OG taken ever.
Haha I guess you could say the 2013 Cardinals. Took Cooper at 7 and went from 5-11 to 10-6 without him hardly even playing.
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Evans has 0% chance to be there at 16, it would be amazing if he even makes it to 12.
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He wont make it out of the top 6. I would take him at 4.
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It's irrelevant, but Cooper didn't play a snap. He broke his leg in the preseason.
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That would be VERY tempting. 4 first round picks in 2 years? If they really are enamored of one of the lower ranked QB's it makes perfect sense. I personally hope they grab a QB high this year. I'm not an expert on any of them so I leave it to their judgement (  ) but if it turns out they love One of the lower guys then of course you do this. You get a WR, QB, OL , CB, FS & RB in the first 3 rounds this year and you have an extra 1st next year? Ninja, please.
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Do it in a heartbeat unless they are convinced that our savior QB was still there and could be drafted at number 4 and then they had damn well better be right.
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I agree 100%. If Watkins is there, pick him. If not, I'd be up for a trade scenario.
Hate me for hating but.....because we all know drafting a top WR equates to winning immediately
I guess you're right, reaching for an overvalued QB to pair with our one whole entire wide receiver will get us that long awaited championship immediately. Good point, I now feel like a fool. Thank you for shaming me into my proper place.
I can't imagine the comments I'd get if people actually understood the thread and read what I wrote! people on here and their pushy agendas are ridiculous. take your passive aggressive bull and try it elsewhere
I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say...
What I said was... If we want to win now we go with Hoyer add talent around him like a premium WR a OG and add a a LB/CB on D. (Id rather see a LB vs a CB)
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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As I person who wants Manziel, I wouldn't trade down if he was available.
But if I remove myself from the Manziel bandwagon I can see how a trade like this would be a triumph. If one does not like Manziel (or any of the other QBs) a trade like this would make a ton of sense. We would gain more picks in a very deep draft which would allow us to accomplish two things in this draft. One, acquiring several players. And two, it would allow us to trade throughout the draft to acquire players we want. We would also acquire future assets (a first round pick next year) that would allow us to build a very deep team in the coming years (assuming we make the right picks).
If we aren't selecting a QB at pick four (something I am in favor of) it makes sense to trade back as the players who are likely to be picked in the middle of the first round fit our team better (Gilbert, Mosley, Dennard, etc.).
I like Manziel and want to pick him. If our front office doesn't like him I can see how this rumored trade can be a good option.
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What I said was... If we want to win now we go with Hoyer add talent around him like a premium WR a OG and add a a LB/CB on D. (Id rather see a LB vs a CB)
No it's cool man I was referring to the other two guys who put words in my mouth. The only thing intentionally directed to you was that if we were to accept a trade while we would give up the chance at Sammy we could still get a great WR prospect but also another top 50 prospect. Not to mention an extra 1st next year to further load the team. While we lose one "elite" prospect I thought it further supported your point in loading talent around Hoyer.
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As I person who wants Manziel, I wouldn't trade down if he was available.
But if I remove myself from the Manziel bandwagon I can see how a trade like this would be a triumph. If one does not like Manziel (or any of the other QBs) a trade like this would make a ton of sense. We would gain more picks in a very deep draft which would allow us to accomplish two things in this draft. One, acquiring several players. And two, it would allow us to trade throughout the draft to acquire players we want. We would also acquire future assets (a first round pick next year) that would allow us to build a very deep team in the coming years (assuming we make the right picks).
If we aren't selecting a QB at pick four (something I am in favor of) it makes sense to trade back as the players who are likely to be picked in the middle of the first round fit our team better (Gilbert, Mosley, Dennard, etc.).
I like Manziel and want to pick him. If our front office doesn't like him I can see how this rumored trade can be a good option.
I personally see Gilbert as one of the best CB prospects in recent years. He's also a perfect fit for this defense. I would have no problem trading down a few and picking him up. I think he is a better prospect than Joe was. An elite CB like him and a later ILB like Jones could produce one heck of a defense.
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I agree 100%. If Watkins is there, pick him. If not, I'd be up for a trade scenario.
Hate me for hating but.....because we all know drafting a top WR equates to winning immediately
I guess you're right, reaching for an overvalued QB to pair with our one whole entire wide receiver will get us that long awaited championship immediately. Good point, I now feel like a fool. Thank you for shaming me into my proper place.
I can't imagine the comments I'd get if people actually understood the thread and read what I wrote! people on here and their pushy agendas are ridiculous. take your passive aggressive bull and try it elsewhere
You're the one who rolled your eyes, then called me passive aggressive. Okay...
..."because we all know drafting a top WR equates to winning immediately." That's not passive aggressive at all.
I want Watkins instead of a trade from the Cowboys, can't make it much clearer than that.
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if I'm Farmer, I answer the phone every time it rings. If the Cowpokes offer me this trade I do it in a heartbeat.
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With the myriad of questions seemingly surrounding every QB in this draft, and the depth of talent at so many other positions, a trade like this could allow us to still take a QB in the 1st, have a total of 4 picks in the top 47 ...... plus have ammo for a trade up next year for a QB if we have to do so then.
I am increasingly worried about taking any of the QBs in this draft at 4. I don't want to miss a top QB, but a lot of things make me wonder whether or not that guy exists in this draft. Maybe if I had spent a lot more time watching QBs play, I might feel better about the guys in this draft ...... but then again, maybe I'd feel worse.
I think that, unless the team is absolutely sold on one of the QB, and that guy is available at 4 ....... or they see Hall of Fame potential in another player, then I would trade down.
Man, the thought of having a pair of firsts, seconds, thirds, and fourths in this deep draft ....... that's exciting. "Experts" have said that a team can expect to find starter quality players into the 3rd ...... so we might find 5-6 starter quality guys. That is exciting.
Farmer definitely has a lot chances to get it right, or screw it all up. Hopefully he gets it right.
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12 spots is a really steep trade. No thanks.
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With the talent in this draft the drop is not too bad.
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Maybe. My judgement might be a bit clouded with my adoration for Greg Robinson though.
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I don't think we will have the option of selecting Robinson.
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I'd take it in a heartbeat. It's a much better deal than we got in the Atlanta tradedown some years ago.
Plus we'd be one Tony Romo injury away from owning the First round pick of a team starting Brandon Weeden.
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Yes and no. Yes in general draft class terms. No when needing a QB badly as we do.
It would represent a very tempting offer any GM will consider because the general value is there.
BUT, it all comes down to if our FO truly believes in a QB or not and if he's still there at 4. If they do, whatever his name is, then they have to pick that QB, end of story. If they're lukewarm on the best available/left QB at 4, then they should take the offer.
At 16 the BPA for our needs will be one of Dennard, Fuller, Z.Martin, ODB, M.Lee.
The extra 2nd will help to make up for the perceived quality loss. In math terms: what is better?
Z.Martin + Matthews + 1st 2015 or G.Robinson?
ODB or M.Lee + G.Jackson + 1st 2015 or S.Watkins?
The risk, of course, is picking from a pool of "lesser" players in the 2nd. The whole deal becomes a loss (at least for 2014 season) for me if, say, we pick up Moncrief with the extra 2nd or XSF or Yankey
16+26+35+47 could become something like Dennard/Fulller + ODB/Lee + Hyde + G.Jackson. That's 4 day one starters righ there. Alternatively, instead of addressing RB and OG so early, Farmer could secure his fav 2nd tier QB (Murray? Garoppolo?) and go BPA at some point for a position of lesser need urgency, say DE/OLB Lawrence or DE/OLB M.Smith or DL D.Easley, who visited. They could also secure Skov at 47. Z.Martin, Fuller, Matthews and Skov looks good to me. Would free up the mid rounders for BPA or OG/RB/FS value hunting.
And again, while all of that looks good on paper...the one big problem remains: who is our QB? They can only do this deal if they aren't sold on the QBs available to them at 4 AND make their extra picks count in terms of playing the draft to their advantage and I'm not confident enough in Farmer and Kuharick (?) to pull it off. I'd rather they grab an upgrade at QB at 4, I think, and go from there...
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