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Everybody knows the Texans are going to draft a quarterback. The question is when.
As it stands, I believe the Texans are trying to decide between defensive end Jadeveon Clowney and quarterback Johnny Manziel with the first overall pick.
I believe general manager Rick Smith will trade - but not too far down - if he gets an overwhelming offer from a team that believes the extraordinarily talented Clowney is the missing piece.
I believe if the Texans trade down a few spots and Manziel is there, they'll take him. I think if he's gone, it'll come down to outside linebacker Khalil Mack or quarterback Blake Bortles.
There's been speculation that Atlanta might try to entice Smith to swap first-round spots so the Falcons can select Clowney.
I imagine the Falcons would have to surrender at least a second-round pick this year and perhaps even a third-rounder this year as well as a first-round choice in 2015. That's a steep price, but Smith should drive a hard bargain if he's going to bypass a player just about everyone thinks should be the first overall selection.
Let's look at what Smith, coach Bill O'Brien and others involved in the scouting process might think about the top pick. Let's start with quarterback, because that's the Texans' biggest need.
The biggest knock on Manziel is that with his size (5-11¾, 207) and style of play, injuries are inevitable. Everyone I've spoken to in the NFL - or those I trust and who used to coach or scout in the league - has told me they're convinced Manziel will get injured.
Even Manziel's most serious supporters have told me that when it comes to the injury factor, it's a matter of when he gets hurt, how serious it is, and whether he'll learn to temper his competitiveness.
A big complaint about Johnny Manziel is that his quarterbacking style lends itself to frequent injuries.
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A big complaint about Johnny Manziel is that his quarterbacking style lends itself to frequent injuries.
Manziel is a gamble
In other words, will Manziel be like Robert Griffin III and take so many unnecessary hits it makes his teammates, coaches and fans cringe? Or will he be like Russell Wilson and develop the poise and patience to throw away the ball, slide and go out of bounds - and live for another series?
Manziel was outstanding in the best high school football state in the country. He was tremendous in the best college conference in the country. If he stays healthy and plays in a system designed to take advantage of his skills, he can have a terrific NFL career.
Now let's examine Clowney. Will the Texans be getting the Jadeveon Clowney of 2012 or 2013?
Clowney's work ethic
There's no denying his talent for rushing the passer, but there are questions about his work ethic. Give him $22 million guaranteed, and see how it will affect him.
The idea of having Clowney on the right side and J.J. Watt on the left side surrounded by Whitney Mercilus, Brooks Reed and Brian Cushing must have Texans defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel excited.
If the Texans select Clowney, he'll never live up to expectations and will suffer the same criticism that dogged Mario Williams for six seasons. Averaging 10 or 11 sacks per season won't be enough for fans angry the Texans bypassed Johnny Football.
Selecting Clowney means they'd have to draft a quarterback and give him time to develop, perhaps a season.
If the Texans choose Manziel and he helps make them a playoff team, they'll cut into the Cowboys' popularity for the first time.
Poking the Cowboys
Who could blame owner Bob McNair for wanting Manziel, considering what it would mean for his franchise locally, statewide and nationally? But if the Texans pick Manziel and he's injured every season - maybe getting pulverized by Clowney - they'll have to find a franchise QB.
Decisions, decisions.
If Smith trades down and the Texans draft Mack, he'll be ready to play from day one. He can play outside or inside. He's a safe pick with fewer questions than any of the other top prospects.
If Smith trades down and the Texans select Bortles, they won't rush him. He'll learn the game from O'Brien and quarterbacks coach George Godsey and won't play until they believe he's ready.
And if the Texans draft somebody who hasn't been mentioned as a candidate, just shoot me. Please.
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I think they'll draft Clowney because they can certainly target a QB who falls near the end of the 1st/top of the 2nd round. However, if Clowney gets past #1 the Rams will trade down guaranteed.
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Hope it's Clowney. I want Manziel.
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Hope it's Clowney. I want Manziel.
Same.
If Manziel isn't there I think we should trade down.
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CBS sports has 1001 players listed as participating in the NFL draft. Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that with the first pick overall, the Huston Texans will either trade their pick or take one of the 1001 players.
That's all the certainty that anyone can predict. Any other speculation is merely for pleasure or to sell newsprint, magazine space, bandwidth, or air time on t.v. or radio.
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Ive been telling you all since the Bowl Game.
Johnny is going number one.
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with the first pick overall, the Huston Texans will either trade their pick or take one of the 1001 players.
I think it's safe to say we could narrow it down a little more than that.
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id offer our first, and second 3rd, plus rubin for #1 pick. we can then nab Clowney
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Hope it's Clowney. I want Manziel.
Hope it's Manziel, I don't want him.
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I think clowney is going #1... Either the texans take him or trade down and whoever trades up takes him...
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I want Watkins, Manziel or Bortles in that order at #4. I think Watkins give us the most value there.
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If you want bortles why not wait to 26 cause he will be there.
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If you want bortles why not wait to 26 cause he will be there.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bortles goes top 10...
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I want Watkins, Manziel or Bortles in that order at #4. I think Watkins give us the most value there.
This makes no sense. If you think a QB is worth taking at four you don't take a wide receiver over him.
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Hope it's Clowney. I want Manziel.
Hope it's Manziel, I don't want him.
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I want Watkins at #4. I'd be cool with Manziel at 26, I know that's impossible, but I don't think he's worth the #4 pick. Too many questions about his field vision and coverage recognition. He's got the arm and big play ability, but I think you'll only see flashes of that. More often than not, the speed and smarts of the NFL game will nulify his "Johnny Footballness".
If Watkins is gone, I'd think about trading down (assuming there's a buyer).
And dang, the draft is a week away. Cool.
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Ive been telling you all since the Bowl Game.
Johnny is going number one.
I'd be stunned if that happens.
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I am becoming more and more concerned about the QBs at the top of this draft. That said, I want no part of Clowney. If he is still there when we pick, I hope we manage to trade down, or take someone else.
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Johnny is going number one.
I'd be stunned if that happens.
I'd be more than stunned. I would laugh my ass off. And jump for joy. Wasting that pick at #1 would mean an extra player at #4 for us to consider.
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I am becoming more and more concerned about the QBs at the top of this draft. That said, I want no part of Clowney. If he is still there when we pick, I hope we manage to trade down, or take someone else.
He is risky, though IMO not as risky as the QB's are. If he is motivated Clowney could be GREAT. And we could use another DE opposite Bryant. But it would be rolling the dice..... Interesting dilemma. For some reason I keep seeing Bruce Smith when I think of Clowney. Odds are he's no where near that. But if he studs out..... Hmmmmm Glad I don't have to make that decision.
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Everybody knows the Texans are going to draft a quarterback. The question is when.
As it stands, I believe the Texans are trying to decide between defensive end Jadeveon Clowney and quarterback Johnny Manziel with the first overall pick.
I stopped reading after "I believe"
I don't care what some Houston reporter believes. No less than what I care what MKC believes...
Holy crap can we just have the draft already...
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If you want bortles why not wait to 26 cause he will be there.
There is a better chance that we could Bridgewater at 26 than Bortles.
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I think if the Texans were in no way interested in trading out of #1, we might already hear some rumblings of contract talk with someone like Clowney. The fact that we haven't could very well mean that they're open to a trade, unlike some years where you know it's just not going to happen.
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Johnny is going number one.
I'd be stunned if that happens.
I'd be more than stunned. I would laugh my ass off. And jump for joy. Wasting that pick at #1 would mean an extra player at #4 for us to consider.
I don't think so, but I Truly hope that Johnny does go #1 because it would get him out of our way and give us another top prospect to choose from or trade. JMHO Go Brownies!!!!
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I believe having the new rookie cap structure may make hearing about contract talks pre-draft become a thing of the past.
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I think they'll draft Clowney because they can certainly target a QB who falls near the end of the 1st/top of the 2nd round. However, if Clowney gets past #1 the Rams will trade down guaranteed.
There is something to consider.
If they like Manziel they're probably going to have to take him at #1 if they want him. With all the hype around him, he won't make it to #33 or to a point where they could move up to get him later in the first.
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Good... I think it's a Win-Win for us.
Browns is the Browns
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If you want bortles why not wait to 26 cause he will be there.
There is a better chance that we could Bridgewater at 26 than Bortles.
If the Browns are able to pull off that combo of Watkins at #4 and Bridgewater at #26, I'd be ecstatic. I still think Bridgewater is the best QB and it's not even close. He was great on the field during games, that's all I care about. I don't care how he looked in shorts in the off-season when not in a game situation.
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I used to love the idea of Watkins/Teddy combo... But my interest in Watkins has died down the more I've looked at the other WRs..
If I knew we could get Teddy at 26 (which you never do) I would look for a trade down from 4, mid teens, and grab either the best CB, WR (Evans please) and add another 2nd rounder and picks next year... If not just take Teddy in the teens, and draft someone else at 26..
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If the Texans are actually open to trading the first pick then they aren't going to pick Manziel. If you think a QB is worth taking first overall you don't trade that pick.
You don't trade the #1 overall pick if you like a QB with that spot.
Clowney is the pick if they stay at one.
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If the Texans are actually open to trading the first pick then they aren't going to pick Manziel. If you think a QB is worth taking first overall you don't trade that pick.
You don't trade the #1 overall pick if you like a QB with that spot.
Clowney is the pick if they stay at one.
I disagree... if they think they can get Manziel or Bortles at say 6 then why wouldn't they try to trade out of it... I do agree with you that if they stay at 1 they will take Clowney.
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Because if you think there is a franchise QB you secure him and take away the risk of losing him via a trade down.
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Because if you think there is a franchise QB you secure him and take away the risk of losing him via a trade down.
I can't believe this concept is so difficult to grasp for some. "Win the draft" mentality is a disease and it spreads so quickly.
Would anyone have cared had we taken Aaron Rogers at #3 overall instead of Braylon? Woudl anyone have cared is we had take big Ben at #6 instead of Winslow.
Because they were "rated lower" than #3 and #6? It's just ridiculous. WHO CARES WHERE WE TAKE THEM. I don't care where they are "slotted" I don't care if Mel Kiper sits up there and tells us we could have gotten him at 26, I don't care if yahoo sports gives us a D- for :"reaching on a QB".
I don't care, just get a franchise QB on the roster. Period. Don't wait it out, don't try to be cute and get stuck with some scrub, TAKE THE GUY.
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It's very easy to say that now, that you KNOW they were franchise QBs...
And technically you don't KNOW that they would be who they are now, had we drafted them...
It's not even about where you value THEM, it's about you you value MORE than them..
And if you're not totally in belief that this guy can be THE GUY, you take someone else and move on... And then if an oppurtunity comes up later, you've not only gotten a solid player at 4, you still got a QB...
Did we "win the draft" in 09 when we traded down 4 times? Hell no... You still have to pick good players. Regardless of where you pick them.
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TAKE THE GUY
Who?
What if they think Garrappolo is THE GUY?
You want him at 4? Carr? Mettenburger?
There is a point to value in the pick your making...
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Is it going to matter in three years if Mel Kiper thought Garappollo was a late first and you took him at 4?
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Ok, so it doesn't matter which QB we take at 4...
Just take one. Who cares which right? It's a QB... As long as we take them at 4 they will be good..
Because who cares if we could get the same QB 31 pick later, while also picking up another top 5 player...
As long as we take A QB at 4... That's all that matters..
Got it.
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If the Texans are actually open to trading the first pick then they aren't going to pick Manziel. If you think a QB is worth taking first overall you don't trade that pick.
You don't trade the #1 overall pick if you like a QB with that spot.
Clowney is the pick if they stay at one.
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ATL apparently really wants Clowney, but doesn't want to trade up to #1...
But unless someone else trades up to 1 for a QB, I'm going to assume Houston is taking Clowney...
Which sucks... Cause I'd totally take ATLs 2nd rounder to move back two spots.
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