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Neither do the talking heads on ESPN.
Everyone is just guessing at this point.
I think the pick at #4 is going to be Carr.
But I'm just guessing, like everyone else.
I'd be SHOCKED if Carr's name was called in the Top 15. Shocked. It's been mentioned and repeated on here a hundred times, he doesn't throw well under pressure and has admitted to it too. I don't see how a QB can excel in the NFL with that specific trait.
Todd McShay was on SVP&Russillo yesterday and reviewed his QB grades. Bortles and Manziel grade out to be mid-to-late first rounders and Bridge was a top of the 2nd guy. He had Carr in the 4th or 5th round. I don't see how he could jump to the fourth overall pick.
Back on topic, it's kind of interesting to see that Manziel as the "face of the 2014 draft". Any team that takes him will get the big groan and cheer from the crowd and the social media explosion will be insane too. He's going to be the next Tim Tebow in terms of NFL attention. It's probably one of the reasons why I don't want him. Anything he says or does over the next 18 months will be on the front page of ESPN (good or bad).
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Your perspective and mine are different. Those are two very different scenarios. Mine expresses my view of the QB's as a whole. Yours expresses a view of decidedly liking one or two or three over the rest, in which case the conditions change.
Case in point...you clearly think Garoppolo is not a viable candidate. There are many scouts who now believe otherwise. He compares favorably to guys like Carr and perhaps even the others. That's your opinion. Mine differs.
Now, specifically speaking, if the Browns happen to love one guy over the rest, then they have a perceived obligation to do whatever it takes to get "their guy." My opinion is that there isn't one single guy who is head-and-shoulders above the rest, which brings it all back around to why I view taking a QB at 4 is a bad idea.
For me, if you're not willing to take the QB at 4, then he's probably not worth trading back up to get. I guess that's the part I wasn't understanding in your scenario.
Understandable, especially when we realize that the scenarios are all subjective. I'm talking apples with variables, you're talking oranges with variables, so it's hard to put it all in focus.
So taking your last thought and expanding on it, keep in mind what exactly it is I'm advocating as it pertains to my very specific point of view:
If no QB is a consensus guy, you can get a viable candidate a little later in the draft, even if it's 5 or 6 spots lower. Why do I think this way? Because the other variable is the high likelihood that the non-QB positional player you take at 4 is going to become, at the very least, a very good player and a long-term starter. The names like Mathews, Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson, etc will not be there when you get into the teens, but at least one of the closely-grouped QB's will.
So if all the QB's are grouped together, but there are 5 or 6 top-tiered non-QB's to be had at 4, the smart move is to take one of the non-QB's who are better bets, then trade back up to take one of the QB's somewhere in the teens.
Again, it's subjective, but there is a big dropoff between guys like Mack, Robinson, Mathews, Watkins and the next level of guys, but there isn't a big dropoff between the top 4 or 5 QB's.
Interestingly enough, Tom Reed of the Cleveland Plain Dealer just wrote a column advocating this very thought. Don't be surprised if more people pick up the idea and run with it. I think it's the smart thing to do.
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Time to go TV shopping. 
I just bought the 60 inch TV several months ago. Can't afford another one.
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I'd draft QB's at 4, 26 and 35 and hope one of them worked out.
I'm actually half serious about that. I'm done with poor QB play.
I've said it before and I will say it again. I would take a first round QB every single year until we got one worth a damn.
I wouldn't go that far ...... but I would take a 1st or 2nd round QB every other year until we finally hit on one. Load a guy into the chamber, give him 2 years to show that he has promise, if he doesn't, then draft another guy and let them fight it out for the job. If neither guy has distinguished himself, then draft another guy 2 years later.
I'd have to point out that such a philosophy would greatly reduce the chances of a QB developing into a great starter, simply because of you constantly have a rotating carousel of QB's you're not truly dedicating any time to each guy, but spreading out the available knowledge, time, effort, energy, and experience amongst all of them. Each QB would then be looking over his shoulder at the next one coming aboard.
No, that wouldn't ever fly.
Not really, because you could give a guy 3 years ...... 1st year as the backup/learning on the side, then 2 years starting, while the next guy you draft sits for his rookie year.
Anymore, teams make up their minds on a QB in 2-3 years. We did with McCoy, and Quinn, and Weeden ....... it doesn't take all that long to recognize incompetence at the position.
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I'd draft QB's at 4, 26 and 35 and hope one of them worked out.
I'm actually half serious about that. I'm done with poor QB play.
I've said it before and I will say it again. I would take a first round QB every single year until we got one worth a damn.
I wouldn't go that far ...... but I would take a 1st or 2nd round QB every other year until we finally hit on one. Load a guy into the chamber, give him 2 years to show that he has promise, if he doesn't, then draft another guy and let them fight it out for the job. If neither guy has distinguished himself, then draft another guy 2 years later.
I'd have to point out that such a philosophy would greatly reduce the chances of a QB developing into a great starter, simply because of you constantly have a rotating carousel of QB's you're not truly dedicating any time to each guy, but spreading out the available knowledge, time, effort, energy, and experience amongst all of them. Each QB would then be looking over his shoulder at the next one coming aboard.
No, that wouldn't ever fly.
Not really, because you could give a guy 3 years ...... 1st year as the backup/learning on the side, then 2 years starting, while the next guy you draft sits for his rookie year.
Anymore, teams make up their minds on a QB in 2-3 years. We did with McCoy, and Quinn, and Weeden ....... it doesn't take all that long to recognize incompetence at the position.
Takes less than a full season in most cases. I knew Weeden was a bust after like game 7. At worst you'll see flashes of brilliance from a franchise caliber guy where you can say, you know what we can build on this. Guys like Weeden and Quinn never showed those flashes sans preseason and mini camp.
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" So if all the QB's are grouped together, but there are 5 or 6 top-tiered non-QB's to be had at 4, the smart move is to take one of the non-QB's who are better bets, then trade back up to take one of the QB's somewhere in the teens."
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Watkins is the top pick if there. Robinson and Mack good picks but not ideal fits.
It comes down to taking the best player on the Board.
Bridgewater is the best quarterback in this draft if they can him in the first round either with pick 26 or trading up to the teens good deal. Garopollo love his skill set great pick at 26 or top of the second if there.
The Browns have to maximize the draft and that means don't reach for a position.
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While the overall draft may have all of the QBs grouped together we have to remember that is like looking at an average.. I'm pretty sure each team that needs a QB has the top 4 or 5 QBs ranked in a very detailed fashion and probably sees a large distinction based on how they have graded them, their specific interviews, how they want to use them, whether they want them to start right away, etc... So the notion that we will pass on a QB early and just settle for whichever one is left at 26 because they are all about the same, I believe is pretty flawed thinking. I feel fairly confidant in Farmers world, there is a clear cut winner that he really wants...
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If I hear another draft analyst say the Browns could trade up to 2 to pick up jm im gonna lose it  More like trade down to, maybe pick up jm
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The talk of the Rams and Manziel is total garbage. First off Manziel is not a top ten pick. No way; no how.
All this talk about Haslam and Farmer loving Manziel is media fodder.
Any ("leak") of the talk like Shanahan says Manziel's talent is clear etc. Nothing released to the press is not gone over before hand. All is screened and meant to deceive.
The trade moves I could see are moving to the teens to target a falling QB.
Trading with Seattle or Denver for their late first round pick to jump Houston for a quarterback pick if they have not made a move sooner.
No way the Browns move up from the 4th pick in this draft. More likely they move back if their guy is gone at four.
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'Cleveland Browns should draft a quarterback but would be wise to run away from Johnny Manziel: Terry Pluto'
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Is it possible Manziel will be an effective NFL quarterback?
Yes, there's a chance.
But it's not a chance that I want to take.
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Which is why the Browns have STUNK for far too long, Terry. Never wanting to take 'that' chance. The chance to draft a very special player because we buy into all of the negatives instead of the positives; but it's hard to be positive when your' franchise has been in the negative for so long, right?
WRONG Terry and anyone who agrees, WRONG. You take that chance.
I've read all the negatives about JFF and I've read all of the positives. If you go on nationwide websites like ESPN or NFL.COM, fans are amazed at Johnnny Manziel and awaiting yet another elite QB to watch for years to come; many of which are fans of teams who already have their franchise QB. Trust me, I can care less what the nation is saying about JFF, but when it is so drastically different from what I am reading from us Browns fans, I can't help but take notice.
Fans are actualy clamoring that the Browns not draft him because "this is the place QB's go to die", or "NOOO! Please don't let Johnny go to Cleveland, he will be awesome anywhere he goes but in Cleveland he will fail!!!" Or better yet, from Steelers SBNation who are already talking about what a nightmare it is going to be to have to worry about facing JFF 2 times a year w/ their aging defense..but also not to worry because we will botch the pick and end up taking another tackle or something. I am obviously not providing links with these quotes but search on the Google machine with anything I've posted above and you will read the same comments that I've just read.
The consensus on JFF from most all of the expertsis that he has a great chance to be a really special player for a long time. Sure, quote ex-Steeler Meril Moge or Jaws, but remember, that the Four Letter Network known as ESPN thrives off of making headlines and keeping fans tuned into what they are going to report next.
These negative posts about JFF's character or lifestyle are exaggerated. Ask anyone who has played with him or coached him. If (and when ;-) ) he is drafted by our beloved Browns, he will be the first to arrive and last leave. He is the ultimate teammate according to the reports. The perfect QB to lead his team into battle. That wherever he goes, his teammates would embrace playing for such a leader and would give it everything they had week in and week out. That he makes everyone around play better, play harder..what a refreshing idea for a Cleveland Browns QB eh? That he is not only capable, but willing and ready to adjust his style of play to fit into today's NFL.
He ran the ball more times than RGIII over their last two years of college (as one OP noted), but did he get hurt? No. But RGIII hurt his knee at the end of his rookie season for the 2nd time, as he did prior in college. JFF knows when to tip toe out bounds or to slide. Have any of you watched him play? I've watched him slide perfectly or run out of bounds on many occasions while watching Aggies games.
And while I'm speaking about QB's rushing the ball,
Waitng For Next Year made the ultimate argument as to why the 'safest' pick in the draft is, in fact, JOHNNY MANZIEL.
Does anyone know that RGIII's number of rushes trended upward into his Heisman winning season which carried over into the NFL while Johnny Manziel's number of rushes trended downward in his sophomore campaign as he became more of a passing QB? Does anyone know that his numbers as a passer in the pocket exceeded all SEC's QB's last year, including A.J. McCarron's?
Everyone who wants Sammy Watkins need to remember that rookie WR"s very rarely make an impact in their rookie year, and often take 3 years to learn the NFL style of route running and/or getting open, which is much more complex than the college style. In fact, 1st WR's have more of a chance of busting than first round QB's when you look at the statistics, and by that I mean NFL numbers. I'll always stay true to the 'Shiny Hood Ornament Theory' that states that prolific WR's are nothing more than a set of Platinum $40,000 rims on a beat up, rusted Pinto.
Josh Gordon lead the NFL in WR's last year, yet we are drafting 4th overall, need I say more?
Instead, I'll post the contents of the Waiting For Next Year's article for anyone that was too lazy (or stubborn) to click on the link above and read it.
Why Johnny Manziel is the “safest” pick for the Browns on Thursday
One of the draft mantras heard in and around Cleveland is the never-ending rhetoric regarding “safe” picks. For some, Clemson wide receiver Sammy Watkins is a safe pick. For others it’s one of the top offensive tackles. Almost nobody considers any of the quarterbacks safe picks and while I totally understand why, it’s wrong.
Pick your favorite cliché. Boom or bust, hit or miss. Manning or Leaf, McNabb or Couch. In that frame of reference, it would appear that quarterbacks aren't safe picks. How about this frame of reference though? The Cleveland Browns’ Opening Day starters since 1999 are Tim Couch, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Jake Delhomme, Colt McCoy and Brandon Weeden.1 So tell me again how safe picks have worked out for filling the team’s most important need. That’s why I’m here to tell you that there’s no “safer” pick for the Browns this year than a quarterback at No. 4, and that quarterback is Johnny Manziel.
I love Terry Pluto, but I disagree with his column from Monday. He stated that the Browns should “run away” from Manziel due to his propensity to run the football. The idea is that running the ball in the NFL is a surefire way to get a quarterback hurt. While I agree that Johnny Manziel’s running is a risk factor for his transition to the NFL, let’s look at the stats a bit.
In his case, Pluto points out that in two years at Texas A&M, Johnny Manziel had 343 carries. In RG3′s final two years at Baylor he had 328 carries. So this means Johnny Manziel is even more likely to run than RG3? Not so fast.
QUOTEJohnny Manziel did run the ball 343 times in his college career, but let’s look at the trend. In his Heisman-winning season, Manziel ran the ball 201 times for 1,410 yards and 21 touchdowns. In 2013, Manziel ran 142 times for 752 yards and only nine touchdowns. Robert Griffin III is just the opposite. In his final two years, he did run the ball 328 times, but he was trending in the wrong direction. He had 149 rushes in 2010 and 179 in 2011.
For reference, Robert Griffin III had 120 rushes in his rookie season over 15 games with Washington under the Shanahans. If the Browns were to draft Johnny Manziel and he finds his way to the field in his rookie season, I’d hate to see him rushing anywhere near that much. But there’s no reason to think based on the way Johnny Manziel trended the last two years that he isn’t naturally moving toward a more traditional quarterback role anyway, or at least more-so than RG3 was.
The evidence doesn’t stop there either. On the passing side of the ledger, consider that Manziel threw 11 more touchdowns (37 total) than he did in that previous year. In a column recently penned by ESPN’s Stats and Info department, we get to dig a bit deeper in Manziel the Passer.
One of the most underrated parts of Manziel’s game is his accuracy from the pocket. He led all AQ players this season with a 73.5 completion percentage from inside the pocket. He completed at least 65 percent of such passes in every game during his sophomore season except for the Aggies’ loss to LSU.
Manziel was not just completing short throws as a result of Texas A&M’s spread offense. One out of every four passes he attempted from the pocket traveled at least 15 yards. On such throws, Manziel completed an SEC-high 54.9 percent, more than 15 percentage points higher than the AQ average (39.5 percent).
What you see here is a marked difference in a player moving away from that rushing style. It seems that given the right coaching and the right system, there’s little doubt that trend couldn’t or wouldn’t continue for Manziel.
The point here isn’t even totally about Johnny Manziel. I’ve made no secret of the fact that he’s my choice. I think his off-the-field exploits have people overthinking things. Manziel played at the highest level, against the toughest competition and has the most impressive game tape of any of the other QB draft prospects as a result.2 Is he a little bit small? Sure. Again, try not to overthink this stuff. Big, statuesque guys with rocket arms might fit some archetype of what a quarterback should be, but we’re not casting Bo Callahan. We’re trying to field a team that will finally win more games than it loses and that’s much easier to do with a star at quarterback.
And that’s why the safest pick on Thursday goes against the grain of what people think a safe pick should be. The safest pick isn’t about finding the guy who can give you the most starts, guaranteed at just any position on the field. It’s about picking the guy who can make the biggest impact for the Cleveland Browns where they need it most. It isn’t about finding the safest pick in the little vacuum of draft night; this is about making the safest pick for the Cleveland Browns franchise as a whole. As much as I’m rooting for Brian Hoyer, I just don’t see how the “safe pick” is going into this season with Hoyer, Vince Young, Tyler Thigpen and Alex Tanney. Not when they could presumably have a chance to pick Johnny Manziel.
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If the Rams do draft Manziel, I am on the phone with them asking for Bradford ASAP.
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It's so simple, Jimmy wants Johnny, end of story. 
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While the overall draft may have all of the QBs grouped together we have to remember that is like looking at an average.. I'm pretty sure each team that needs a QB has the top 4 or 5 QBs ranked in a very detailed fashion and probably sees a large distinction based on how they have graded them, their specific interviews, how they want to use them, whether they want them to start right away, etc... So the notion that we will pass on a QB early and just settle for whichever one is left at 26 because they are all about the same, I believe is pretty flawed thinking. I feel fairly confidant in Farmers world, there is a clear cut winner that he really wants...
This says what I said some time ago. People "say" there is a "group of QB's that are about the same". But not on NFL draft boards. The QB position isn't an either and or concept.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I'm thinking he needs a prescription for Xanax.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I'm thinking he needs a prescription for Xanax.
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I'm thinking he needs a prescription for Xanax.
As I stated before, I cant see this cat playing for the Browns.
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Perfectly stated and oh so true. Just do it, take JFF and don't look back.
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If the Rams do draft Manziel, I am on the phone with them asking for Bradford ASAP.
So he can sit on our IR instead of the Rams? He doesn't have the best track record for staying healthy. Plus, his salary this year is $14 million, and next year is roughly $13 million.
Somewhere he received a $17 million 2nd signing bonus .... probably this year .... which would hit the Rams cap immediately if they trade him. I believe that it would still be a savings for them though.
I still worry about Bradford getting hurt all the time. I think that he is a good QB, but I'm not sure that he'll be a great one. If we could get him cheap, that would be one thing ..... but if the Rams wanted our #26 pick .... or even a 2nd rounder ......well, I can't go for that. (No can do)
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Will not happen but I agree. I would give them pick 26 and be done at quarterback.
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As I stated before, I cant see this cat playing for the Browns.
Why is that? Because he doesn't suck?
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You made your points. I understand your thinking. I totally disagree.
This is not about comparing Manziel to Griffin.
Manziel stands on his own merits or drawbacks.
Merril Hoge and Jaws made their arguments and backed it up. Charlie Casserly and Bill Poilan both ex GM's said Manziel does not carry a first round grade.
That does not mean he is a bad player or he can not succeed in the NFL. It just means the odds are longer.
He is not the safest pick is in this draft by any stretch. There is no way he is worth the 4th pick in this draft.
Evaluating quarterbacks is hardly a science. It has proven to be very difficult especially for Cleveland. However, there are some guidelines check what Bill Parcells uses as criterion.
You do not start with a two year player under six feet tall. The rest of negatives that have all been covered do not add up to a first round player.
You can debate if he will succeed or not. That will come when he gets his chance to prove what he can do in the NFL.
But there is no debate about him being the safest pick in the draft or being worth the fourth pick in the first round.
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From Jay Glazer speaking on Fox Sports Radio: FOX Sports Radio ‏@FoxSportsRadio 14m BREAKING NEWS: "The Cleveland Browns will not draft Johnny Manziel" - @JayGlazer on air with @JTTheBrick https://twitter.com/FoxSportsRadio
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I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I've NEVER seen Glazer be wrong.
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Nope, Glazer is as reputable as it gets..
That's a ballsy statement today because almost everyone else is saying Manziel to Cleveland.
I hope he's wrong.
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I better protect the TV, because if we take a RT at 4, I well might throw everything I can find at the TV.
Time to go TV shopping.
I just bought the 60 inch TV several months ago. Can't afford another one.
I broke one with a shoe once after an OT loss to the steelers. They were a lot cheaper then
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Could owner Jimmy Haslam intercede in Browns' selection process Thursday? Coach Mike Pettine said: "That would NEVER happen."
Aditi Kinkhabwala, Twitter
Kinkhabwala is in Cleveland for the NFL Network the next couple of days. If you are on Twitter she is a good person to follow.
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From Jay Glazer speaking on Fox Sports Radio:
FOX Sports Radio ‏@FoxSportsRadio 14m
BREAKING NEWS: "The Cleveland Browns will not draft Johnny Manziel" - @JayGlazer on air with @JTTheBrick
https://twitter.com/FoxSportsRadio
I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I've NEVER seen Glazer be wrong.
Probably paid to report this by Haslem so St. Louis will try to wait until 13 to get him.
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Nope, Glazer is as reputable as it gets..
That's a ballsy statement today because almost everyone else is saying Manziel to Cleveland.
I hope he's wrong.
Sweet, can't wait for my offensive lineman and 4-12.
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong too. An offensive lineman at #4 and a QB at 26 could just as easily be the same record or better than taking Manziel at #4. Nobody knows at this point.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
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Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer 40s Browns won't be drafting Manziel at #4. I know it's been out there a ton that they will but no that's not how they have it https://twitter.com/JayGlazer
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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Honestly, I like Manziel,, I'm just not convinced he can stand up to the beating in the NFL...
No QB can....protect the investment.
Either way, I want Johnny Football. I am not going to "not" draft him because he "might" get injured.
But....that's my opinion
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Nope, Glazer is as reputable as it gets..
That's a ballsy statement today because almost everyone else is saying Manziel to Cleveland.
I hope he's wrong.
Sweet, can't wait for my offensive lineman and 4-12.
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong too. An offensive lineman at #4 and a QB at 26 could just as easily be the same record or better than taking Manziel at #4. Nobody knows at this point.
nor will they ever truly know what we would have done with Manziel, IF we take someone else at 4 
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Further reporting. Glazer doesn't appear to be ruling out the Browns drafting Manziel, but rather drafing him at #4. A trade up? Browns Won't draft Manziel at 4Glazer also rules a possibility of Manziel to the Raiders at 5. Glazer: No Manziel to Raiders I can't remember a draft this unpredictable.
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I can't remember a draft this unpredictable.
Agreed...not even at #1.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
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Bone-fish, I have to agree w. Shot on this one. He's saying, he's the safest pick for the Brown's. Because- what do we have to loose? I'm ready for the gamble, if it's not at 4, be sure you know where he is going & get Johnny. It's time to really take a chance. More importantly is ride Hoyer first. I think these two guys can run a similar offense. How cool is that. We will all know if 48 hours- Thank goodness. I for one don't like the extended date. This is like insane. Of course, our off season is always the most optimistic time for a Browns fan. Sooner or later we are going to hit a winner! 
If I only knew then what I know today...
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j/c Jay Glazer stating emphatically Browns will not be taking Manziel at 4. No Manziel at 4
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Perfectly stated and oh so true. Just do it, take JFF and don't look back.
I was saying this 6 weeks ago. Uggh.
Can I just be on record as saying Johnny Manziel is not going to bust in the NFL,
As clear as it is this guy could help the Browns out, it is becoming just as clear, that " only in Cleveland" ... Just like the coach who skipped the dinner with the Browns to remain in college for about 3 dozen hours before deciding to leave college for Philadelphia or whererever it was.
It is becoming that clear that someone like Kansas City, Denver, or Cincinnati, Minnesota, Jacksonville, Oakland, or whomever, will select or jump ahead of 4 to select Manziel before the Browns get a chance.
Please put me on record as saying " Johnny Manziel will not bust in the NFL."(however,.. if the Brown's get ahold of him, OY VEY!)
If you were on the clock, select him and move on.
OK. Don't take a qb with the first choice you have. The Browns haven't taken a Qb with the first pick they have had in the draft since they took Couch in 99, and it's been working out Marvelously.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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