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Based on strength of schedule in college Manziel is a no brainer compared to Bortles, Bridgewater and Carr. If A&M had a defense Manziel takes them to a BCS Championship. Could the other QB's if they were playing for A&M do the same?
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Report: Browns won’t draft Johnny Manziel with fourth pick Posted by Josh Alper on May 6, 2014, 8:02 PM EDT It’s not draft time without some wildly conflicting reports about a team’s intentions. On Monday, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported that Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel would not fall past the Browns with the fourth pick in the draft. Tuesday brought the exact opposite report from Jay Glazer of FOX Sports when he was asked about the Browns taking Manziel during an appearance on FOX Sports Radio. Glazer also shot down the notion that owner Jimmy Haslam is pushing to add Manziel to the roster. “Let me just stop you right there, ok? ESPN has reported all night that the Cleveland Browns are taking Johnny Manziel, and I am here to tell you they are not,” Glazer said. “NFL Network — I know they had come out and said well Jimmy Haslam has told everybody in the room that he wants it to happen — that is not happening. In fact, it’s the other way. Jimmy Haslam has walked into the Brown’s draft room and said, ‘Hey guys, this is not what I do for a living, it’s what you do for a living. Whatever you do, I trust.’ There has not been some edict I guess. I have no idea where that came from, but that’s not happening.” On Twitter, Glazer wrote that the Browns will not be taking Manziel with the fourth pick. They also have the 26th pick, of course, so there’s a chance that things could work out for a second chance at the Heisman Trophy winner. web page
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Guys like Glazer's careers are predicated on them putting out correct info.
I can't see him being this emphatic about something unless he was 100% on it.
He's not ganna be like "Oh yeah, I'll put my reputation on the line to help you guys put out smoke screen.."
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Glazer is one of the best in business. If he says it then it is most likely true. I just hope we are able to trade back before taking the OT. I love OL as much as anyone, but we better have a 87 Redskin OL after all the picks/money we have put in it over the past 5 years.
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Glazer is one of the best in business. If he says it then it is most likely true. I just hope we are able to trade back before taking the OT. I love OL as much as anyone, but we better have a 87 Redskin OL after all the picks/money we have put in it over the past 5 years.
We would... Robinson at RT would be beastly. Our run game could be nearly unstoppable.
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I just wanna make sure I understand you.. You want us to draft Johnny Football. Do I have the right 
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I've noticed that there is an abundance of smoking asses in the media these last few weeks
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We better. That would give us four starters on the OL we have invested top 35 picks in, and a TON of $$$ as well. In the FA/salary cap era if you invest that much in one position unit you better have the best unit in the league to justify it.
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We better. That would give us four starters on the OL we have invested top 35 picks in, and a TON of $$$ as well. In the FA/salary cap era if you invest that much in one position unit you better have the best unit in the league to justify it.
Not to get too off-topic, but I totally agree. If you didn't get the best OL in the league out of this (especially by 2015 after they had a year to gel) it would be a complete failure.
OTOH, I don't think "we already have a good enough OL" is a really good reason to not draft a player -- if you think he is the BPA. Teams that win super-bowls don't do it because they have a bunch of "good enough" squads. They also tend to have some overwhelmingly great position group that teams can't defend against.
It's one thing if you are drafting a guy who plays the same position as one of your stars (like not drafting a star RB if you already have Peterson). But Robinson fits onto this OL really well at RT, and moves the group from top 5 to top 1. If he's BPA, then that's the direction I go.
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On Twitter, Glazer wrote that the Browns will not be taking Manziel with the fourth pick.
I completely agree with this statement, we will not take Manziel at 4. We will however trade down a few spots and select him between 6-10
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On Twitter, Glazer wrote that the Browns will not be taking Manziel with the fourth pick.
I completely agree with this statement, we will not take Manziel at 4. We will however trade down a few spots and select him between 6-10
Who else that high in the draft would the Browns be coveting? Do they want Johnny and Sammy, or one of these tackles? That just doesn't make sense to me...
It's a deep draft, I don't think we really need to be moving up all that much, or even at all.
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Nope, Glazer is as reputable as it gets..
That's a ballsy statement today because almost everyone else is saying Manziel to Cleveland.
I hope he's wrong.
Sweet, can't wait for my offensive lineman and 4-12.
I would love to be in that meeting with the scouts and coaches... at the end when Farmer says, "Ok, sounds like a plan, now this is what we are going to do.. you 3 go leak that we love Manziel, you 3 go leak that there is no way we are taking Manziel, you go leak that we want to trade for Kirk Cousins.. you go leak that we want to trade back... ready.. break." 
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The thing is at this point there have got to be a lot of people who know our draft board on the inside... I knew the Browns O coordinater's son back when we picked Joe Thomas, he told me "We are taking Joe Thomas at 3 unless Calvin Johnson is there, then that is the pick."
I'm sure Glazer has some scout or something he knows that has no problem telling Glazer what we are doing. I don't get why the hell you would, you don't get anything for doing it.
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Ok. Name me a few QBs that came into the nfl as sophmores and seceed. I'm gone do more research. The videos I seen of JM did not impress me. I think the CBs and Safeties are gonna have a field day unless he corrects his game.
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Ok. Name me a few QBs that came into the nfl as sophmores and seceed. I'm gone do more research. The videos I seen of JM did not impress me. I think the CBs and Safeties are gonna have a field day unless he corrects his game.
I'd throw out the argument, that what really could Manziel learn in another year at A&M that he couldn't learn in the NFL?
I love that his rush attempts went DOWN from year 1 to year 2, while his passing yards and TDs went up...
The difference between him and say Bortles, whos a Redshirt Junoir, is that I think Bortles could of benefited from another year in college, while I don't really think Manziel would have.
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I'm sure Glazer has some scout or something he knows that has no problem telling Glazer what we are doing. I don't get why the hell you would, you don't get anything for doing it.
You would be stunned at how that game is played.
This year Glazer tells the public (and the private) what the Browns want him to say, next year when there's a big story to break Glazer gets the call over others. Then there's the world of kickbacks.
Unlike tampering rules and the like mandated by the league (which are broken every month in spite of the potential sanctions and consequences) there are no rules governing outside-the-lines talk. It's a cut-throat business with millions of dollars in advertising riding on these discussions. Don't underestimate the potential gains from these games.
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Ok. Name me a few QBs that came into the nfl as sophmores and seceed. I'm gone do more research.
Well if anybody can seceed, it's going to be the kid from Texas.  (Sorry, grammar police moment.)
I think more than looking at him as a sophomore, you should look at him as having 2 full years of starting experience. I bet the list of kids who came into the NFL and succeeded with 2 years of starting experience is pretty long because for a long time it was very uncommon for a freshman to start in college.
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Ok I'll throw that out. I still question his throwing machanic. If we do pick him, I'll stand behind it. I wont like it but I'll support it. If I'm wrong then ok.
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So if all the QB's are grouped together, but there are 5 or 6 top-tiered non-QB's to be had at 4, the smart move is to take one of the non-QB's who are better bets, then trade back up to take one of the QB's somewhere in the teens.
Again, it's subjective, but there is a big dropoff between guys like Mack, Robinson, Mathews, Watkins and the next level of guys, but there isn't a big dropoff between the top 4 or 5 QB's.
And that's the problem here: it's "perception". I know enough smart football guys who have Evans close if not above Watkins, just as an example, same with Mack-Barr or Lawrence. Vice versa with QBs. There are enoug that think that even between the "top 3-4" guys there's a HUGE drop off.
But even assuming your "subjective" criteria were right, my biggest poblem with your scenario is this, actually two problems:
1. You simply risk losing your QB or at least the one you slightly prefer over the other (even if ranked closely)...and I'm not sure we're in a position to gamble on that.
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2. You have to pay TWO picks (at least!) to get your QB. So the draft math becomes something like: is Watkins worth M.Lee + another starting caliber pick (think a 3rd is a minimum to trade up from 26 for a QB) + risking to lose the guy you try to trade up for?
The question I have is: Is Watkins or Robinson really that much better for what you need to lose a valuable pick and risk of losing your QB? I say no.
Watkins would be our WR2 and we already have two strong options in Gordon and Cameron. If we draft Watkins, we better don't run a turtle offense.
Robinson would be our LG or RT. If he gets drafted to play RT, then it was a mistake since he doesn't fill a real need, as we still need a G then. A top 5 pick at OG is not good value, but if we follow that up with Hyde somewhere in the draft and make a clear statement with this draft to be a run-heavy team under Hoyer/mid round rook QB, then at least there was a plan behind it, as getting the best G and RB is never a bad draft, even though the long term value is questionable.
Whatever Famer decides to do. I want to see a plan, not some vacuum picking. He put himself in a bad situation going in with all these needs, so he better deliver.
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He put himself in a bad situation going in with all these needs, so he better deliver.
QB, G, ILB, CB#2, WR#2
Those (IMO) our are NEEDS, in order...
Grab a QB and a CB in round 1.
You can get a solid G and ILB in the 2-3 range.
Then grab a WR to sit behind Burleson in the 3-4 range.
And we'd have enough picks left over to either move picks up to get who we want, or grab another RB, and maybe a Safety to develop...
Not that difficult.
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Ok I'll throw that out. I still question his throwing machanic. If we do pick him, I'll stand behind it. I wont like it but I'll support it. If I'm wrong then ok.
I will like it more than you then but if we don't pick him at 4, as long as we pick somebody I can get behind, I won't be terribly upset. I will just assume if we don't pick him at 4 it's because we have a very good reason and a plan.. what else can I do?
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On Twitter, Glazer wrote that the Browns will not be taking Manziel with the fourth pick.
I completely agree with this statement, we will not take Manziel at 4. We will however trade down a few spots and select him between 6-10
I could see us trading down with Atlanta so they can get their tackle or Tampa Bay so they can get Watkins or Evans. I wouldn't want to move past the Vikings at pick 8 though because they should be drafting a QB.
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On Twitter, Glazer wrote that the Browns will not be taking Manziel with the fourth pick.
I completely agree with this statement, we will not take Manziel at 4. We will however trade down a few spots and select him between 6-10
I could see us trading down with Atlanta so they can get their tackle or Tampa Bay so they can get Watkins or Evans. I wouldn't want to move past the Vikings at pick 8 though because they should be drafting a QB.
Here is the article:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nfl-insider-just-added-huge-134336539.html
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Apparently Brett Favre isn't the only one who thinks Johnny Manziel plays like Brett Favre, Jon Gruden thinks that too. The former Buccaneers head coach and current ESPN analyst said this week that he sees similarities between Manziel and Favre. Favre was good at running around and keeping plays alive and that's a talent Manziel seems to share. "It takes courage to pull the ball down and reverse field and do some of the crazy things that Favre and Manziel do," Gruden told USA Today. "There's going to be consequences when sometimes it doesn't work out. But it takes a tremendous amount of guts and courage to go make a play when there's nothing there instead of throwing the ball away." Favre said in February that Manziel reminded him of a young Favre. "I haven't watched him much, but one game I watched, for like three quarters, was the Ole Miss game," Favre said of a game in October where Manziel threw for 346 yards, ran for 124 (including two touchdowns) and led Texas A&M to a 41-38 comeback victory. "I almost thought I was watching film of a young Brett Favre," Favre said. "I didn't think I did a lot of things well (in college at Southern Miss), but he did. And I liked the attitude of 'whatever it takes' -- from that standpoint, I liked him." Gruden has had a first-hand look at both guys. The Super Bowl XXXVII winning coach was an offensive assistant in Green Bay for three seasons (1992-94) while Favre was there. Gruden also spent some time recently with Manziel while he was filming his 'Gruden's QB Camp' series for ESPN. Of the nine quarterbacks Gruden interviewed this year, Manziel seemed to be one of Gruden's favorites. "I had more fun with Manziel than I did most guys," Gruden said. "I'd love to have him." One thing Manziel and Favre probably won't have in common is draft position. Favre was taken with the sixth pick in the second round of the 1991 NFL Draft by the Falcons. Manziel's expected to go much higher. In our most recent mock drafts here at CBSSports.com, all of our writers project that Manziel will be taken with one of the first seven picks. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...-johnny-manziel
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The Linguine Leprechan's facist disinformation rag site is reporting that Mr. Football would prefer to not to play in Jacksonville.
For awhile now I have had a feeling that Johnny actually wants to play for the Browns.
Any of you guys get that same feeling?
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I've gotten that feeling too.
And I think it's an ego thing.
He wants to be "The guy" who brought winning football back to Cleveland.
The rest of the top part of the draft has had success at least somewhat recently
I really think he wants to come in and save a franchise.
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He wants to be "The guy" who brought winning football back to Cleveland.
Might be a Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron thing too. 
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I hope that's the case and I hope he does!
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jc and fwiw: Speak to NFL executives and almost to a man they will tell you if Johnny Manziel is selected in the first eight picks tomorrow it will be by decree of the owner rather than the scouting department or general manager, something I’ve mentioned for a while. One insider told me the feeling amongst the 32 general managers is the hope Manziel is gone before they are called to the clock so there’s no discussion or distraction of selecting the signal caller. I’m told nowhere is this more apparent than Tampa Bay where owners are pushing for Manziel but wish of head coach Lovie Smith is defensive tackle Aaron Donald. I’m told while the Cleveland Browns like Manziel they don’t like him enough to use the fourth pick of the draft on him. The name that continues to pop up for the franchise at that selection is receiver Mike Evans. Over the past week there are three scenarios I continue to hear for the Browns at four: 1) Receiver at pick four (likely Evans) then a trade back into the middle of round one if Manziel slides out of the top ten. 2) Receiver at pick four and a quarterback and cornerback with the next two selections. Trading back into the first round to select a quarterback is a consideration. I can confirm Cleveland has contacted teams in the bottom half of round one about making the move if necessary. 3) Blake Bortles the dark horse at pick four. http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9724#comment-29777
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I've gotten that feeling too.
And I think it's an ego thing.
He wants to be "The guy" who brought winning football back to Cleveland.
The rest of the top part of the draft has had success at least somewhat recently
I really think he wants to come in and save a franchise.
Aside from coaching change every other year (which is something a good QB can change) this team is prety talented.. Good solid OL, Top 3-5 WR, good pass catching TE, you just signed Ben Tate. The fans are crazy, it's not a media giant town, but it's a true football town. Dare I say the Browns are a team people want to play for now?
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I agree. There are so many stories out there it's not even worth following.
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+1 This insanity will finally stop in under 24 hours. Time to kick back and enjoy the ride. Unless it's a re-do of 2012. Quite honestly I was fit to be tied with the selections that year. I'm going to be w/ the Senior-Bowl group here in Mobile. Should be allot of fun. Might even have a Phil Savage conversation
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Chris Mortensen of ESPN just reported that he expects the Browns to pick Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel at No. 4, if he’s still there.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/05/report-johnny-manziel-wont-fall-past-browns-at-no-4/  
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3 days old.
Glazer said this report was completely false.
Who knows what to believe.
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3 days old.
Glazer said this report was completely false.
Who knows what to believe.
Mort's report seemed to be that it's his opinion (it only turned into a report because it caused a firestorm) whereas Glazer seems to be hinting that he's got info that says the Browns don't even have Manziel on their radar.
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Does it even matter after tonight?
1. Almost nobody remembers what was said before the draft because we're too busy talking about the draft that's happening or happened.
2. And if you do remember that Draft Expert X was right and Draft Expert Y was wrong about Player A, I'm sure we can find a reverse situation. Meaning, nobody is right about every selection.
3. A trade or surprise pick will happen at Pick Z which will alter everyone else's draft board, nulifying a prediction from Draft Expert X because he assumed Team B was staying at their pick.
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For those comparing Johnny to Favre.... well if we take him all I can say is he better NEVER miss a start. Favre was an IRON man. He never missed a start until his final season when he was over 40.. So if we're taking a small running QB that high in the draft I don't ever want to see his name on an injury report. If we just HAVE to take a small run first QB then he better play season after season. I don't want to see an RG3 or Mike Vick kind of guy. Always dealing with some kind of injury. Favre was TOUGH and he played through everything. I don't see that in Johnny. But we shall see. If they take him I will hope you guys were right and he's as tough and resilient as Favre was. Because he WILL take a beating playing like that in the NFL. Especially here in Cleveland where our QB's are always getting blasted.
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He couldnt stay healthy at A&M, dont know why everyone thinks that will change in the NFL.
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