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Continuity is a blessing, but looking at those leading quarterbacks, none seem to me to be able to bring this team to the next level. That is apparently what the Browns personnel believe to because we do not have that continuity. If they do not draft a top quarterback when this high up in the draft it could put them another year behind in finding the right pieces for this team. Frye has a great chance to be the leader of this team at the beginning of the year. If he makes it then we will have a great backup which is great. If he does not show improvement there has to be someone available to jump in and take over---which most likely will be Quinn.
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Continuity is a blessing, but looking at those leading quarterbacks, none seem to me to be able to bring this team to the next level.
And with the Olines we had since 99, the following probably couldn't have done it either..
Elway
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Kelly
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I'm tired of naming them now, but you get the drift 
You are making comments as if we were to draft Quinn he would be a back up if Frye does well... That's a waste.. if you are going to draft Quinn, you let him sit and learn for a while, but sooner or later, he's your starter.. Otherwise it's just insane to spend the money on him..
And besides, if that line isn't fixed NOW, the next QB won't do any better,,
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You are making comments as if we were to draft Quinn he would be a back up if Frye does well... That's a waste.. if you are going to draft Quinn, you let him sit and learn for a while, but sooner or later, he's your starter.. Otherwise it's just insane to spend the money on him..
That is fine he can eventually be the starter, or we can trade him. Kind of like the San Diego situation with Brees and Rivers. All I am saying is we can not put all of our eggs in one basket with Mr. Frye. He was rated as a second to third round pick for a reason, and Quinn is rated as a top 10 for a reason.
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He was rated as a second to third round pick for a reason, and Quinn is rated as a top 10 for a reason.
And Tom Brady was picked in the 6th round,, never mind where he was rated,,, He's won 3 superbowls,,
Ryan Leaf was rated as a first round pick,,, I can't remember,, can you tell me how that worked out?
You are confusing predraft ratings to what's real,,,, wake up
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Daman...come on...you are better than this....Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf as proof???? Come on.
Brady weighed around 170 - 175 pounds when he was drafted....That was why he went in the 6th....And he didn't play for over a year.
Ryan Leaf was a mental case...and the Colts knew that...which is why they went with Manning....
You bring up Brady but completely dismiss the hundreds upon hundreds of QB's picked after the first round that completely bombed.
1st round QB's may not have the greatest success rate but it is lightyears ahead of the success rate after the first round.
Plain fact of the matter is that picking QB in the first does not mean our OLine is going to suck. And it doesn't mean we are ignoring the OLine. And frankly...not going QB in the first can put us back 3 years. This year plus the 2 or more years to get the next young QB ready...IF we are in a position to take him. Where as this year we have the possibility to take a guy that can start day one....
We could have the greatest OLine in the League but we would never know it because of our QB situation....for an example just look at the problems the Ravens have had....Great OLine...but their QB sucked and so did their Offfense. They were LUCKY that they had one of the greatest Defenses in the History of the League when they won the SB....
And frankly would you rather have Tom Brady or Charlie Frye...even with our OLine....Any sane and reasonable person would say Tom Brady.
Thomas would be an awesome pickup....I will rejoice if we take him....but that leaves our QB situation in dire straits...We have an opportunity to upgrade both spots....but only if we do not take Thomas...Unfortunately that is what faces Savage and Company....
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You bring up Brady but completely dismiss the hundreds upon hundreds of QB's picked after the first round that completely bombed.
Is it that they bomb?? or that they never get a chance to play other than training camp, and preseason??
my boy David Greene got drafted by the Seahawks two years ago, and still has not taken ONE snap in the regular season... guy has the most wins in NCAA history as a QB, and has not played yet... There ARE hundreds of QB's that get drafted after the 1st round, but more than half of them never get the opportunity to get on the field when it counts.
Brady got his opportunity, and made the best out of it... not everyone gets the opportunity he had...
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Daman...come on...you are better than this....Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf as proof???? Come on.
Wow, did you ever take my meaning all wrong... Geez,, Lighten up..
I forget who I was responding to but his point was that Frye was rated as a 2nd or 3rd round pick and I was pointing out how little predraft ratings really mean,,,, then I sited as an example that Brady was a 6th round pick and Leaf was a 1st,, and that was to do nothing more than demonstrate how wrong predraft ratings could be and how little they actually mean with the real games begin,,
Nothing more than that,,, but NOOOOOO, you gotta go read a whole bunch more into it than I ever intended,,,, Go back to sleep Petey,, when you wake up come on over for a cup of coffee... 
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We could have the greatest OLine in the League but we would never know it because of our QB situation
That's not necessarily true. If you have one of the best run-blocking lines in the league, you'd probably know it.
More importantly, the opposite is also true. You could have the greatest QB in the league and not know it because of your OL situation.
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We could have the greatest OLine in the League but we would never know it because of our QB situation....
I hope you are not insinuating that our OLine was great last year or even good. Our line was probably the 30th best out of 32 teams.
A major reason for being so bad. Just look what took place at the Center position. How many starting centers did we go through in August? 12?
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Oline- 30th out of 32 teams...Mensa's formula QB-26th out of 32 teams..NFL.com rank By that formula both suck pretty bad. 
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Unfortunately, the QB ranking is directly affected by the OL performance, RB performance, and WR performance. No one wants to look at those, though. 
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By that formula both suck pretty bad.
OK,,, I gotta know the answer to this question,,,,
Which came first,, the Chicken or the Egg?
Which is hurting which? Is Charlie so bad that the line just looks horrible or is the line so bad that it makes Charlie look bad?
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OK,,, I gotta know the answer to this question,,,,
Which came first,, the Chicken or the Egg?
Which is hurting which? Is Charlie so bad that the line just looks horrible or is the line so bad that it makes Charlie look bad?
I think you can tell the difference, and it's obvious that the line is looking bad (whether Charlie is good or not I don't know, but it is obvious that the line isn't good.) Look at teams like the Ravens line with Kyle Boller. Everybody knew that line was good and Boller was terrible. You don't see out of our line what you saw out of the Ravens line in those years. The line play isn't strongly dependent on the Quarterback, and we know we have a problem with the line.
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Chickens were created first..then they laid eggs.. Which is hurting which? Both..
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Chickens were created first..then they laid eggs..
Then where did the first Chicken come from?
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Both..
I take it you will never concede that the Line is Killing Charlie?
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God created the first chicken...
I take it you will never concede that the Line is Killing Charlie?
Thought you would know that was concluded in my comment..
BOTH..not either..but both .
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God created the first chicken...
Did you hear about the guy that is agnostic and dyslexic... He thinks there is no such thing as DOG!
so if it were up to him, then there isn't a Chicken either!
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Thought you would know that was concluded in my comment..
BOTH..not either..but both .
That doesn't answer my question,,, my question was "I take it you will never concede that the Line is Killing Charlie? "
Let me try this another way..... Is the line responsible for making Charlie look horrible?
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Did you hear about the guy that is agnostic and dyslexic... He thinks there is no such thing as DOG!
God U mean?
Many people feel that way...people who don't believe there's a God.
Is the line responsible for making Charlie look horrible?
No not in every case it isn't.
In some yes ..if it weren't you would have heard me say the line is o.k..'I don't think I've ever said that since I've followed the Browns since 99.
Charlie is his own factor in some of the situations I've mentioned time again.
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Did you hear about the guy that is agnostic and dyslexic... He thinks there is no such thing as DOG!
God U mean?
No, I meant DOG,, ok, I hate explaining this joke,, Agnostic is a person that believes there is no such thing as GOD,,, a Dyslexic is a person that often confuses the order of letters in a word or words in a sentence,, this man was a Agnostic and Dyslexic,, meaning that he didn't believe there was a DOG.... (god spelled backwards) 
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In some yes ..if it weren't you would have heard me say the line is o.k..'I don't think I've ever said that since I've followed the Browns since 99.
You've only follwed the Browns since 1999? I didn't realize I was having a discussion with such a youngster... Sorry, now it's all clear to me why you feel as you do! NEVER MIND!
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Since they came back in 99 ..
I've followed them since 65...but I'm still young.
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toad...nice post...
(So.....does that count Racer? )
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Which is hurting which? Is Charlie so bad that the line just looks horrible or is the line so bad that it makes Charlie look bad?
they're both pretty bad, hence the reason for a cellar dwelling offense
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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsi...21848&rfi=6 How the Browns choose to use their first pick in the draft boils down to one question for General Manager Phil Savage:
Is Charlie Frye good enough?
Sources say Jeff Davidson, who finished the 2006 season as the Browns' offensive coordinator, flat-out told Savage that Frye isn't good enough, and now Davidson is in Carolina running the Panthers' offense. Frye is still around, with a "leg up," to use Coach Romeo Crennel's phrase, on fellow quarterback Derek Anderson.
Quarterback is the only position at which no addition was made by the Browns in free agency. It means Savage stubbornly believes Frye will ultimately prove doubters wrong, or he plans to take a quarterback in the draft. If we take the article at face value, we are being invited to believe that Savage couldn't handle the truth about Charlie and for that reason greased the skids for Davidson's departure to Carolina. To accept that would be to accept that Savage's ego is so frail that he would make personnel decisions based on who agrees with him rather than on what is good for the team. I Don't see it. If we step outside of the author's mind and back into the fresh air and sunlight and look at Savage's body of work and his own words, it seems to me that he's keeping his options open at QB just as he is at other positions. His focus is long range and his methodology is pragmatic. I feel what he does this weekend tells what direction they want to go (based on what happens before they pick) and who has a job and who doesn't.. However we do know there were rumblings of players Davidson didn't want.. Could this article be sniffing at the truth? I'm not sure..but it's interesting it just came out.
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People that are pro-Frye have long fought the idea that the Browns are losing confidence in him. Sadly for the team, for Frye, and for the state of the organization, there's just too much circumstantial evidence mounted against him:
No veteran QB was added
Browns have interviewed virtually every decent QB prospect in this draft, making that the overwhelming position of interest
Crennel and Savage have both said that Anderson now has a chance to take the starters job away from Frye
Lerner flew half the freakin' city of Cleveland up to see Quinn workout
Even if Quinn or Russell is drafted, Frye will have one last (and very brief) chance to keep his job. He can't go out and do what he's done to this point.
Is it fair? No, but life isn't fair, and he has to develope quickly behind an improved line or he's toast, and rightfully so.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
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If things stay as is...I think there is a very good chance Anderson will break camp as the starter.
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Is it fair? No, but life isn't fair, and he has to develop quickly behind an improved line or he's toast, and rightfully so.
for the record, it's my contention that the addition of Stiendbach is a big step in the right direction, we still have a hole at RG and possibly even RT... and still, Shaffer at LT isn't exactly inspiring confidence in me..
So with basically one very good linemen (stienbach), one solid veteran (fraley), a maybe (shaffer) and potential holes on both right side positions, where do you feel the line has improved?
That's the pessimistic view,, the optimistic view is that Shaffer and Stienbach can hold down the Left side,, Fraley will do his job well and Tucker and McKinney will be great on the Right side.. if that holds up, then yeah, that's maybe the best line we've had since 1999..
What do you think the odds are?
Thus the reason to draft Thomas if possible.. that one move clears up things now and in the future..
And that thought process leads me to believe the Browns will do what they have too to take Thomas if he's there.. If not, then I bet they go for either a RT or Guards later on.. that could also be the big improvement that we need..
More than one way to skin a cat I suppose.
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he optimistic view is that Shaffer and Stienbach can hold down the Left side,, The realistic view is that Stiener is gonna have to help Shaffer a lot.. Fraley will do his job well At least adequately..I'll go there..o.k.. Tucker and McKinney will be great on the Right side  We' ve never had the right side great, even when Tucker was in his prime, thats not going to suddenly blllooow up...
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People that are pro-Frye have long fought the idea that the Browns are losing confidence in him. Sadly for the team, for Frye, and for the state of the organization, there's just too much circumstantial evidence mounted against him:
No veteran QB was added
Browns have interviewed virtually every decent QB prospect in this draft, making that the overwhelming position of interest
Crennel and Savage have both said that Anderson now has a chance to take the starters job away from Frye
Lerner flew half the freakin' city of Cleveland up to see Quinn workout
Even if Quinn or Russell is drafted, Frye will have one last (and very brief) chance to keep his job. He can't go out and do what he's done to this point.
Is it fair? No, but life isn't fair, and he has to develop quickly behind an improved line or he's toast, and rightfully so.
Well said...
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You have to look at why the line bombed last year.
We finished the year with Butler as the right tackle and 'Druzzi and Coleman at the guard spots and Fraley added at the start of the regular season.
This year it'll be Tucker at right tackle, a pro-bowler instead of 'Druzzi, Mckinney instead of Coleman, and a more familiar Fraley.
That isn't optimist versus pessimist, that's factual data.
Now we CAN go all optimism and say that McKinney will play all year, or we can go all pessimism and say his neck will crap out in camp, but neither has any factual basis.
The line is improved, and taking or not taking Thomas really doesn't have any bearing on how the organization feels about Frye to this point. They've said all they need to say by their actions. I'd also say that taking Thomas doesn't mean a vote of confidence for Frye. It could easily mean that they view the line as a true priority and that he's a better prospect than whoever is left on the board. God knows he's safer than Quinn or Peterson.
Back to the line........I've seen McKinney play when he's healthy. He's better than people realize. Will he be that same guy here? I can't say. I do know that Stein is better than 'Druzzi and it's not close, and that Tucker is better than Butler and it's not close. I can also state as a fact that Fraley with a year's experience under his belt in this stadium on this team and playing against these opposing defenses for the 2nd time around makes a big difference.
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I agree, it is funny......in a sad sort of way.
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I agree, but not for the same reasons. You have stated that Frye is a "finished product" and your reasonings were just because. You have said that Anderson was as good as Frye, even though stats don't bear it out, just because. We get it. You don't like Frye. Funny how all the experts and even lay people here, including you, have said it takes three years to judge a draft, but you have decided on Frye in two. Funny in a sad kind of way....absolutely.
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Toad...you get a vote for top ten post of the offseason... I don't have as much faith in McKinney as you (but then I have not seen alot of him...)...I would rather get one of the big 3 Guards in there... I do know that the QB and the OLine have a symbiotic relationship...and neither has been good to the other in the last couple years...
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We' ve never had the right side great, even when Tucker was in his prime, thats not going to suddenly blllooow up...
Well, I did call it the optimistic view Perhaps I should have called it the SUPER Optimistic View
I didn't want to say that however Attack.. I'd get accused of looking at things in rose colored glasses....
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What we have seen from CF is what it is... Did we see improvemnet last year vs. year 1? I didn't see improvement... CF overall, took a step back last season. For a number of reasons... He didn't play well. He didn't make good decisions consistatly. He made the same mistakes repeatedly. Dilfer was gone. A couple of different o-cords. O-line was shuffled and played poorly. He was injured prior to the end of the season. The Browns offensive players and coaches didn't perform at any level of consistantly last season.. Other than consistantly being lousy... All QB's go, suffer through these things...
It's difficult to have faith when you don't see the proof... It's one of our/mans biggest challenges...
The light has to come on for Charlie this year... He has too "see it", "feel it", "get it"... "It has to click"... I personally don't "see it" nor do I think Charlie "has it"... Cause I haven't seen it... I haven't gotten the sence, the feeling he has "it"... You know that feeling you get when you "get it" or you see "someone get it"??? It's not there for me with regard to Charlie.
Learning to play QB at any level takes time. The quality and stability of the team a QB plays on is a key part of his development. Charlie quite frankly has been in a crap storm from top to bottom since he came to Cleveland... These aren't excuses they are facts.
Many a NFL QB has struggled for a few years and or been cut or traded and went on to become HOF'ers... So one never knows...
This being said, it won't surprise me one bit to see our FO & coaching staff draft a QB, early... Like wise, it won't surprise me if they don't...
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Sounds to me like if one of the QB's is there , he's A Brown..and the fact there's going to be a QB competition in TC is a indicator that Frye's job IS NOT SECURE..if it were other things would have been said by Rac..
So if the Browns take the QB..it's not a PR move..it's not a marketing move..
To win, YOU MUST have a competent QB..
Frye is plety capable to be a competent QB. but you don't have to have a great QB to make it to the superbowl. Ask last years bears, trent dilfer, jeff hostetler, and doug williams.
a team can be succesful with a running game and defense. If our Offence last year could effectively run the ball and not go 3-and-out repeatedly our defencive stats would have vastly improved. RAC needs to get at least 8-8 to keep his job, and a solid running game, passing to keep the opposition honest and a solid D. we couls do better than that. with braylan, JJ and winslow, we have awesome big targets and with a good running game we could give our D a break and score some points.
improved line = improved Offence
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As I have said, there are problems with QB play, some are on Frye and some aren't. I don't have "faith" in Frye. I just want to see if he has "it". So far, we haven't had the capability to see if he can get it. Of course he needs time to learn and grow. That's why it takes 3 years to judge a draft. When you retard the process with the OL, OCs, and the mistakes by others on offense, why is anyone surprised that he hasn't become John Elway in a season and a half.
I am not sold on Frye. I just don't think he's gotten a chance to be judged as able to make it or not. It's just those "typical" fans (the ones that bailed on Couch to praise Holcomb to dump him to praise Garcia to dump him to praise Dilfer to dump him to praise Frye to dump him to praise the next QB in our revolving door) that blame everything on the QB that makes it sound like Daman, myself, and others are blind believeers in him. Far from it, but I would like to give a player at ANY position time to learn, grow, and do well. Perfect example would be Sean Jones. So many called him a bust and how he couldn't play, he sucked, etc......those same one were pimping hm for the Pro Bowl after this last season....his third.....hmmmm.
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More of the same ole same old Frye bashing: Quote:
Did we see improvemnet last year vs. year 1? I didn't see improvement
Here's a really dumb question... Did anyone else on the offensive side of the ball improve either... NO they didn't.. so why the heck single out Frye,,,
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