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I don't usually clamor for draft picks, but I'd love for the Browns to pick him up. Where do you think he will get drafted, and where would you be comfortable drafting him?
My ideal scenario involves us trading back a few spots from 4, and using that second round pick on Hyde.
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If we've already picked a QB, one of the top corners, and Skov, then I'd be ok with taking him in the third. He's my #2 RB in the draft but I really want those other players and we don't really need Hyde.
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If we didn't have Tate I'd only be OK with taking him in the third. I don't think he's a top 40 rb.
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It'd be nice to get him but he seems on par w other prospects, not the clear cut best that many see to see him to be. I'm thinking we hit other needs & get a RB later on after Hyde is gone.
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I Wouldn't mind Hyde (NFL your need 2 good backs) but only if we somehow slide down a little and gain perhaps an extra 2nd round pick...then maybe Hyde comes in play...I don't see Hyde sliding out of round 2...perhaps
1a. QB Bridgewater- slide down pick up a second round pick
1b. WR Brandon Cooks- electric WR to pair with Gordon
2a OG Sua Filo- our mobile guard
2b RB Hyde- RB to run the winter winds with
3a. CB Stanley-Baptiste- finally size in our small secondary
3b ILB Christian Jones- our LB to pair inside with Dansby
4a OT Fleming - swing tackle finally OT depth
4b. ILB Smallwood- Dansby successor and depth yes a double dip at the position
Rest of the draft I'd secure depth on the lines perhaps even USC Kennard as an OLB, perhaps double dip at QB spot (not sure with VY on board) I love CB Carrington Byndom as our 7th round pick...5'11 177lbs 4.37 speed 37' vert...and as a Texas db lots of expierence against the pass
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I'd take him in the second round. I think he will be a great back in the NFL.
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I'd take him in the second round. I think he will be a great back in the NFL.
I'd take him with our first 3rd maybe, the fact that we have Tate makes me not want to spend high on an RB... Mainly because I'm sure he has some performance escalators in his contract he'd be upset about...
I'd be fine with a guy like Care in the 4th.
I prefer Tre Mason over Hyde anyways. Like them both.
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I would rather take a plus level CB over a plus level RB with our 2nd round pick. Give me a QB and a pair of CB with our 1st 3 picks, and an ILB after that and I'll be happy. Grab purely the best available after that, and build depth, and future starters. This is the draft to build a team with ..... maybe not a lot of sure things at the QB spot, but man, a team can fix a lot of problems with this draft. We had 6 Pro Bowl players last year, with Thomas, Mack, Gordon, Cameron, Haden, and Ward, We have potential Pro Bowl level players in Dansby, Whitner, Bryant, and maybe Rubin and/or Taylor, depending on how our defense develops under Pettine ...... and Tate on offense, if Shanahan works his usual RB magic. Man, there is talent on this team. Not all of it is All Pro level ..... but there is significant talent here. Now we must get the QB spot right, and we need to make sure that our secondary, especially CB, is as deep and talented as it can be. I get excited every year, and always get let down ...... but I really think that we are heading in the right direction, I really love some of the off-season moves the team made this year, and with 10 picks in this coming draft, and with many in "impact player" range .... and with the division in a down mode ...... man, this is the time to make a big move upward in the division. Is it May 8th yet?  I can't wait! It's like I'm 5 years old and Christmas is right around the corner. Sure I've gotten coal a few times lately ..... but with enough heat and pressure, coal can become a diamond. 
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Hyde actually reminds me of a bigger Ben Tate.
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I'd take him in the 4th.
Too many better players in front of him and too many teams needs in other areas to be burning a pick on him any earlier.
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I'd be fine with him in the third but I think he goes late 2nd
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I'm glad we got Ben Tate, but we still lack depth at feature-running back. I like Baker and Lewis, but I don't see them as every down RB's. The Browns need to take a bigger RB in the draft, and Hyde is the best of the larger every-down backs, imo. Most of the other ranked RB's hover around 200-205 lbs. The trouble is, like you, I think that they'll need to move back into the late 2nd round to get him. Backup plan might be to take Terrance West, Towson St (5-9, 225, 4.5 / 40) in the 4th round. I only saw him play once, but he was very impressive, albeit against a lesser, small college opponent.
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I'd be fine with him in the third but I think he goes late 2nd
I agree. I think that the 3rd is entirely appropriate for us ....... but I don't think that he'll still be there then.
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I wouldn't take him unless he fell. There are too many backs of close value to take one at a spot we can still get a starter at say OG, ILB or FS. I think teams will think the same. I'd be surprised if more than 1 or 2 backs go in the 2nd.
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No WAY do we take Hyde in the second round. Only way we'll even consider taking him at all (possibly) is if he still happens to be there in the 3rd. With Ben Tate already on the roster, we have no clear need for a #1 RB and too many needs at other positions like corner, guard & receiver. I'm assuming we also take an ILB fairly high, (Mack? Mosely? Both? Borland or Skov later?) and a FS possibly at some point, (though Gipson seems to be coming on and liked by the staff). It's likely we do pick a running back at some point, but chances are pretty good IMHO it'll be in the 4th round or later.
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Whether they take Hyde or not, I think you need 2 good every-down RB's on a team because of the beating they take, and they need to be NFL sized, as in +220lbs. Tate's injury history, and the fact that Houston did best with a rotation (60-40%) of Foster and Tate point to a need for another RB like him. I don't think Baker, Lewis, or Whitaker fill that bill. Ideally, Hyde falls to the Browns first 3rd round pick and they grab him. I'm hoping that the trendy-current NFL view that devalues RB will lead to that happening. If I could envision the Browns as I'd like them to be, it would be a run-first, clock-eating offense and a shutdown defense that gets lots of 3-and-outs. Everything old is new in the NFL and I'd like the Browns to be at the forefront of the Neo Ground-and-Pound Era.
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No argument there. I could see us taking Hyde if he fell far enough. I could also see us taking Jeremy Hill, Andre Williams, Seastrunk, Charles Sims or Storm Johnson. The draft is deep at RB, one that fits Shanahan's system will be there when we're ready to pick one. I believe that a good, very good, running game will be part of our success.
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Personally, with the signings we've had this offseason (the most solid we've had in a long time) I'd rather get some starting level linemen to the right of Thomas. We have two solid linemen that we can count on to do their job every play. I wouldn't mind Watkins at 4, but if we slid back in the first (not too far mind you) got ourselves some extra picks this year while we were at it and built another version of the Hogs from the Theisman/Riggins days we'd be doing quite well.
With the extra picks we get from a move like that we could move back up and get other needs taken care of also.
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No argument there. I could see us taking Hyde if he fell far enough. I could also see us taking Jeremy Hill, Andre Williams, Seastrunk, Charles Sims or Storm Johnson. The draft is deep at RB, one that fits Shanahan's system will be there when we're ready to pick one. I believe that a good, very good, running game will be part of our success.
I agree. There are a lot of backs of pretty much equal talent.
Hyde might be the best, but he isn't the best by that much, and he isn't the next OJ Simpson or Emmitt Smith, so I wouldn't burn a high pick on him, or any back this year.
For our team, we can get equal value....back-up.... in the 4th/5th round.
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As I always ramble, I wouldn't spend anything before the 4th on RB.
With this regime going ground and pound I care less about that. I think we can find nearly the same value if we wait past Hyde, but I like the idea of grabbing OSU players if they want to stay in Ohio. For what it is worth Hyde grew up in Cinci and then went to Florida for high school so I doubt he's a lifelong browns fan.
Are there any talented backs who have fallen due to injury or drug problems this season? I'd be happiest grabbing a Lattimore or Bryce Brown type guy if we could.
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I'm an Ohio State fan, and of course a Hyde fan. Even with that if I were Ray Farmer I'd wait and address some other needs before taking a RB who will be #2 to Tate. I think Andre Williams of Boston College is the guy they are targeting in the 4th round. I am fine with that. I like his physicality. I think he's suited to a zone blocking scheme. Although he's a big power back he's shown that he can get to the outside. His pass catching skills are suspect but I can live with that.
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I like him, but maybe round three, late second if we engineer a swap. Think he could be very solid on a limited basis, but not in the first round and a half for my taste. But a solid option, JMHO. 
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I'm an Ohio State fan, and of course a Hyde fan. Even with that if I were Ray Farmer I'd wait and address some other needs before taking a RB who will be #2 to Tate. I think Andre Williams of Boston College is the guy they are targeting in the 4th round. I am fine with that. I like his physicality. I think he's suited to a zone blocking scheme. Although he's a big power back he's shown that he can get to the outside. His pass catching skills are suspect but I can live with that.
God I hope not. All of the guys yards came from extra effort that led to a ridiculous number of fumbles. If someone tries to make him hold onto the ball he's no more than a Hillis clone without the hands. History shows the best backs are between 200-220. I hope we dont go for a bruiser.
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Maybe we aren't talking about the same guy, I don't know. Williams played 43 games in his Boston College career. He had 10 fumbles, lost 6 in his entire career. Not great but not alarming either.
I almost feel silly rebutting this one. Weight is somewhat arbitrary. Anyway he's reported to be about 230 lbs. Coincidentally, two of this years highest rated RBs also weigh 230 lbs. Carlos Hyde and Jeremy Hill.
Tate will be the featured back. We have guys who can give a change-of-pace or be the 3rd down specialist. What we don't have is more than one guy who runs with power.
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Hyde WILL BE THE 1ST RB taken... And he wont get past the 2nd round.
I'm taking all bets.
As far as having Tate and no need to draft RB High..... Tate has had injury issues and being a 2nd back and not the featured back on the team makes him suspect. No one prepares for the 2nd RB. I think most ppls confidence in Tate is way too high. He is a nice addition but doesnt solve our problem when we have ZERO depth at RB. If he gets hurt or underperforms, who do we have to fill in.... NO ONE.
There is a definite need to find a quality back in this draft. I want Hyde or Tre Mason. If they draft the kid from BC i will scream (he's so overrated and bust written all over him)
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I am not saying we don't need to take a back in this draft.
All I am saying is I doubt it happens before round 4, but hey....if we select Hyde in the 2nd, I won't bet all bunched up even though I feel we can find starting players for this year in round 2 rather than adding depth with the pick.
Let's worry about the starting 22 and worry a little less on the 32 or so support players.
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With the way that RB's are being devalued (which I will never grasp) I'd bet that as good as Hyde is, he falls past the second round.
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I was listening to Sirius NFL radio Friday afternoon where they were having a fan mock draft. They got a fan of each team to send in their top 5 picks for the first round for their team. They pre-assigned one fan for each team. Whoever our guy was the choose Mack at #4. I was happy with that pick.
As the picks went on it was clear the fans were staying away from QB's and this I found interesting, as it came time for our 26th pick no qb's had been taken. Our 26th, I was thinking it would be Bortles, Manziel or Bridgewater but no, the guy must be a flaming OSU homer, he chose Hyde.
Is there something in the water in Ohio that just keeps people from exercising good judgement when someone from OSU is still on the board?
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To be fair, most of the OSU homers here - me included - are saying they'd like to pick up Hyde in the 3rd round at pick #71, but think he *might* be gone in the late 2nd round. He is the top rated RB on at least half of the "experts" boards, and no lower than 2nd or 3rd on most of them that I've seen. Although maybe there was something in the water that your Sirius mock drafter was drinking, like whiskey.
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To be fair, most of the OSU homers here - me included - are saying they'd like to pick up Hyde in the 3rd round at pick #71, but think he *might* be gone in the late 2nd round. He is the top rated RB on at least half of the "experts" boards, and no lower than 2nd or 3rd on most of them that I've seen. Although maybe there was something in the water that your Sirius mock drafter was drinking, like whiskey.
Now now, lets not pick on whiskey drinkers!
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Just draft Jerrick McKinnon in the back end of the 4th. He'll be just as good as Hyde and Mason without the cost of a 2nd.
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With the way that RB's are being devalued (which I will never grasp) I'd bet that as good as Hyde is, he falls past the second round.
I think they are being devalued a bit because there really aren't all that many special players...like Peterson. I think coach's have found out that yards gained is mostly about opportunity. Give darn near any of these guys the right number of carries and they are going to land at 1200 yards for the year....or close....especially if you have a decent offensive line.
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I was listening to Sirius NFL radio Friday afternoon where they were having a fan mock draft. They got a fan of each team to send in their top 5 picks for the first round for their team. They pre-assigned one fan for each team. Whoever our guy was the choose Mack at #4. I was happy with that pick.
As the picks went on it was clear the fans were staying away from QB's and this I found interesting, as it came time for our 26th pick no qb's had been taken. Our 26th, I was thinking it would be Bortles, Manziel or Bridgewater but no, the guy must be a flaming OSU homer, he chose Hyde.
Is there something in the water in Ohio that just keeps people from exercising good judgement when someone from OSU is still on the board?
I'll admit I am OSU homer but I even wouldnt take him at 26. I would think about it in the 2nd rd, depending who is still on the board, and if he's there a top of the 3rd, I'm grabbing him with no hesitation.
The only way I see us taking him if we get some extra picks from a trade down. And once again, everybody believes Tate is the answer, I hope its true but either way we have no running game if he flails or gets injured.
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I'll admit I am OSU homer but I even wouldnt take him at 26. I would think about it in the 2nd rd, depending who is still on the board, and if he's there a top of the 3rd, I'm grabbing him with no hesitation.
Going to have to agree to all of this. RB's seem almost depressing now. I'm fine rolling in with Tate, Baker and Dion Lewis. As you said though, if he's there in the second factoring in who is still around for the pickings - maybe. If he slips to the third, which I don't see possible given he'll likely be the first RB selected in the draft - then heck yeah you had better take him!
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With the way that RB's are being devalued (which I will never grasp) I'd bet that as good as Hyde is, he falls past the second round.
I think they are being devalued a bit because there really aren't all that many special players...like Peterson. I think coach's have found out that yards gained is mostly about opportunity. Give darn near any of these guys the right number of carries and they are going to land at 1200 yards for the year....or close....especially if you have a decent offensive line.
Yup, that certainly worked out well for TRich LOL
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With the way that RB's are being devalued (which I will never grasp) I'd bet that as good as Hyde is, he falls past the second round.
I think they are being devalued a bit because there really aren't all that many special players...like Peterson. I think coach's have found out that yards gained is mostly about opportunity. Give darn near any of these guys the right number of carries and they are going to land at 1200 yards for the year....or close....especially if you have a decent offensive line.
IMHO they are being devalued because 1) it has become "a passing league". More value is placed on the supporting players in that aspect of the game. For example, while the RB's stock has dropped, the TE's stock has sky rocketed. And 2) because much value at the position has been found in later rounds. With the success of (insert the name of your favorite late round success story here) the need to draft a RB high has proven unnecessary, and in our case, even folly.
Bottom line though is that good teams need a good running game and that the winning teams all have one. The key is finding a system that allows for success in the run game and a back or two who fits that system.
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We'll see next year how devalued they are when/if Gurley and Yeldon come out.
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LOL, by next year it's possible that the tide will have turned yet again. As I stated, all the good teams have a good running game, and it's likely that this will once again start to be noticed and imitated. Everything old is new again.
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