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Yeeesss, I know it's just speculation and that this extra wait for the draft has been a killer. But here we go anyway... Edit: Just noticed this is being discussed in the Mock Draft thread as well. Cleveland Browns: Peter King reporting Browns exploring draft tradeBy Jeff Schudel, The News-Herald & The Morning Journal POSTED: 05/05/14, 8:19 PM If Peter King is correct, the Browns will be making three picks in the first round of the draft on May 8. The Sports Illustrated writer, in his Monday Morning Quarterback column, wrote Browns general manager Ray Farmer has talked to a team picking late in the first round about acquiring that pick for the Browns’ second-round pick and more. According to King, the motive is to make the third first-round pick before Houston is on the clock with the 33rd overall pick — the first pick in the second round — because King expects the Texans to take a quarterback with the 33rd pick. The trade would allow the Browns to pick other positions with their first two first-round picks and move ahead of the quarterback-needy Texans and Jaguars in the second round. That plan could change if the Texans or Jaguars take a quarterback with the first or third pick, respectively. King suggested the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks, who own the final (32nd) pick in the first round, as a potential trade partner. The Browns have two picks in the third round and two in the fourth and would probably have to give up a fourth-round choice, plus the second-round pick, for the extra first-round pick. A deal like the one put forth by King would give the Browns picks four, 26 and 32 in the first round. But Farmer might not be content with that. Chris Mortensen of ESPN is reporting the Browns’ first choice for the fourth pick is Auburn tackle Greg Robinson. He said Plan B if Robinson is off the board is to draft Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel or trade down. Farmer has made it clear he is open to trading in the first round. He said he will talk to “eight to 10” general managers in the 24 hours before the draft.
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I did a mock yesterday on first pick and ended up with 4 first rounders. I'll post it later in the mock draft thread.
To answer your question - King's mock had us at 6, 26, and 32. Looking at who was available at those spots, I'd take Gilbert, Shazier, and Su’a-Filo.
Then with the 3 picks in the 3rd, focus on QB, WR, and BPA (McCarron or Mettenberger, Martavis Bryant) or trade 2 to move up and focus on Jordan Matthews and one of the QBs.
At this point, I think we have a 2 person board for #4 - Watkins and Robinson. Thinking that Mack and Clowney will go before us, we'll have one of those two available to us. If it happened that Watkins, Robinson and either Clowney or Mack goes in the top 3, we probably have a couple trading partners and would move down...
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Something tells me we're taking a QB in the first if we get a third pick. But sure, I'd be in agreement of getting a third first rounder if the 32nd pick goes to a QB. I don't really want to take one at 4 or 26.
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I would agree, because 1st rounders you can have for 5 years and 2nd rounders only 4 years. Despite what I said I'd do above, I'm thinking that the team would actually do non QB for the first 2 picks, and QB the last one and am afraid that we're the team that wants Tom Savage...
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I like the idea of trading up this year. I see no need to stockpile lower draft picks when we already have 10. There's no way a team this young needs another 10 rookies on it. For once, I want quality over quantity.
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1a: Khalil Mack 1b: C.J. Mosley 1c: Kyle Fuller 
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I would agree, because 1st rounders you can have for 5 years and 2nd rounders only 4 years. Despite what I said I'd do above, I'm thinking that the team would actually do non QB for the first 2 picks, and QB the last one and am afraid that we're the team that wants Tom Savage...
Or Mettenberger? Or Jimmy G? All three of those guys are borderline picks it could be any of them at 32.
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Manziel, Lee, Mosley.
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Sign me up for this.
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I think trading back into the first round would be kind of silly unless they thought there was an irreplaceable player they might lose out on between 26 and 35.
If that irreplaceable player is a QB, they should have drafted him already.
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The exception to this is if they are "in love" with someone for 35 and want to wrap him up for 5 years instead of 4.
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I'd replace Robey with the best available guard and be very happy.
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We're talking about Bradley Roby right? The guy who was sleeping in his car after reports that he almost hit a car full of kids?
The same Bradley Roby who SUCKED last year? That's the guy we're talking about, yeah?
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We're talking about Bradley Roby right? The guy who was sleeping in his car after reports that he almost hit a car full of kids?
The same Bradley Roby who SUCKED last year? That's the guy we're talking about, yeah?
Yes, sir. And I don't want him.
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Now a days there is a two fold reason for trading up into the end of the first..especially not giving up too much from an early 2nd round spot.
1. The obvious to jump the 5-6 teams who might have a couple coveting the same talent.
2. Not so obvious to get that impact player that you want but instead of possibly waiting for him to be available in the 2nd trade up and take him because of the new make up of the new CBA with rookie contracts.
The should get a player who will start unless its a development QB. This said player at #32 will sign a 5 year contract. But at 35 will sign a 4 year contract. That extra year might be worth the 3rd, 4th or 5th round pick in moving up.
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We're talking about Bradley Roby right? The guy who was sleeping in his car after reports that he almost hit a car full of kids?
The same Bradley Roby who SUCKED last year? That's the guy we're talking about, yeah?
Yes, sir. And I don't want him.
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I did the same in my mock because of value reasons and because the Browns have the picks to move around and influence the draft to their wishes/board. I traded up from both 26 and 35 and hope Farmer gets pro-active when good talent is dropping close to our picks.
I do NOT hope this trade up is for a QB though and doubt it btw. I want no part of Savage, Mettenberger or Garoppolo at 32, much less on an uptrade. Looks more like a smokescreen to me to make believe that we won't go QB at 4 etc.
In my mock I selected
4 QB Bortles (Teddy gone, or he would have been the pick)
22 OG/OT Z.Martin
32 CB Fuller
As of now, I'd still go best QB available at 4,
4 QB Teddy or Bortles
26 CB Fuller or one of WR Lee/ODB
32 any of the 3 above, if available. If gone, then WR Matthews or DE/OLB Lawrence, though I would not uptrade for any of them at that spot, as one of them should be there. OG/OT Bitonio could be another target, though I'm personally still torn on him that high. I'd rather trade up from 26 for Z.Martin, if the cost is close.
I totally expect at least one "totally out of left field pick" by Farmer. I hope we aren't the team that has pushed up any of Savage, Moncrief and Latimer and sure hope we do not draft them at 35 or higher. I'd rather "reach" a bit for Hyde or T.Brooks or go Ford, M.Smith or Lawrence for OLB than waste such a high selection on a pure developmental prospect.
So many prospects that I don't like in the 20-50 range, I guess I'm bound to get disappointed, especially with the 35 pick. It's actually a great spot to trade down. I hope Farmer at least gives me 2 out of 3 and hits on some value later.
There's a really good chance to get one of the top 3 CBs at 26. If all are gone, then one of Lee/ODB should be still there. I just hope we don't go A.Robinson/Verrett at WR/CB, as I consider them a clear drop off in tier. Even B.Cooks, btw.
Man, this can go in so many ways and I have absolutely no clue what to make of Farmer as there's no track record. This draft will tell us a lot about his evaluation skills and draft value smarts. Glad the wait will be over soon...
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Going through the teams' needs and mocks in too much detail (like I tend to do) I think we're in a bad spot to get one of the top 3 corners at 26. It's unlikely one of the top 2 safeties makes it to Cincinnati at 24, which means they'll probably take a corner. San Diego needs 2 new corners, at least one new starter, so if one of the top 3 is available when they pick, they will likely take one, too.
That would mean nobody would take a corner before 24 for us to get one of the top 3 at 26, and that is highly unlikely.
At least, that's how it played out in my mock. (I had us uptrade for Fuller. I don't want another Kendall Wright situation where we're waiting on a specific player everyone knows we'rewaiting on with three teams in front of us that want the same player.)
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If Robinson is gone before #4, I would consider trading down to #8-10, picking up a second rounder, and picking Gilbert (or ?)...
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I don't see us getting a third 1st rounder. I'm not even sure we are looking to get one.
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4. Manziel
26. BPA at WR, CB, OL, or ILB
32. BPA at WR, CB, OL, or ILB
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This is pretty much how I feel.
I think you have got to get your QB at 4 if you really love one of these guys.
At 26, and beyond, I think you go BPA from a small group of certain positions. The ones you listed are dead-on.
If that UCLA guard is there at 26, jump on it... Would love a WR but they could sit on that for another round or even two rounds... I think good WR's will be there in round 3 where you have two picks...
We are sitting pretty in this draft.
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I don't see us getting a third 1st rounder. I'm not even sure we are looking to get one.
Huh? Explain please...
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You could be right and I have no problem if we traded up for one of them. I like the WR depth more than the CB depth, so securing a CB first might be the smarter move. If M.Lee drops past pick 25, I'd consider another uptrade...QB, CB Fuller, WR M.Lee sounds good to me, even if it costs us a 3rd and a 4th.
When doing my mock, I experienced firsthand that we go into this with WAY TO MANY needs. We need like 7-8 new starter upgrades and I'm sure that will lead Farmer to some panic reaches in the mid rounds instead of collecting BPA value there
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26. BPA at WR, CB, OL, or ILB
32. BPA at WR, CB, OL, or ILB
Is that really any different than the way you would do it if we just stay at #4, 26, 35?
The only reason to spend a penny to move from 35 to 32 is to take the QB there before Houston has a chance.. or am I missing something?
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Huh? Explain please...
He doesn't believe the Browns are trying to get a third 1st round pick.
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One benefit of moving back into the first round is that we would be able to have the fifth year option available to us.
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Edit: Erased my 3 picks. ON SECOND THOUGHT: Why would we pass on the QB at #26 if we think one is tradeworthy at 27-33? That would make zero sense! 
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ON SECOND THOUGHT: Why would we pass on the QB at #26 if we think one is tradeworthy at 27-33? That would make zero sense!
Yeah, if you like a guy enough to pick him at 32, for crying out loud, please pick him at 26 and save everyone the stress of seeing if he slides!
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I really do think it is a possibility we could move back into the late first round if there is someone we feel is falling and his value is too high. Like others have mentioned, I just hope it is not a QB, unless all this stuff about Bridgewater is true and he could fall into the second-- which I don't believe.
We would have 8 picks remaining (assuming we've already used #4, #26) to use, particularly our second rounder, two thirds and two fourths as ammo.
If we could walk away with a QB plus either a combo of WR, OG, CB, ILB with the other two picks, I'd be pretty satisfied. Yes, it's a long shot and you need two teams to make a deal, but IF we really like someone at the very end of the first round, I think it's very doable to attempt a deal.
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The exception to this is if they are "in love" with someone for 35 and want to wrap him up for 5 years instead of 4.
That's a good point.
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I'm not sure why everybody is so excited about Bridgewater potentially falling into the mid 20s so we can get him at 26 without a trade... that basically means that 10 teams or so that could really use a QB upgrade all decided he wasn't worthy of a first round pick or that one of the other QBs was better. He's not going to fall by accident, he's going to fall because of a consensus that he's just not that good.
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Just as long as one of those picks is used for some firepower on offense.
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Not saying he will be the next Aaron Rodgers, but that is exactly what happened with him. Not the prototypical size like say a Bortles.
And as to the thread itself? I wouldn't draft strictly by position. There's no way for me to say what I would do without knowing who is left on the board at my selection.
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I'm not sure why everybody is so excited about Bridgewater potentially falling into the mid 20s so we can get him at 26 without a trade... that basically means that 10 teams or so that could really use a QB upgrade all decided he wasn't worthy of a first round pick or that one of the other QBs was better. He's not going to fall by accident, he's going to fall because of a consensus that he's just not that good.
You could look at it that way or see it as that's his grade. Todd McShay graded him out to be a 89-90 guy, which is late first or early second. It would be drafting him around the area he's supposed to go. I don't think I'd view it as picking the ugly duckling nobody wanted. Would you view our 26th pick that way regardless?
I think we all get mixed up in the players rating versus team need versus positional value when the draft rolls around. And really, as or after the draft happens, there aren't many revelations to prove our mixed up feelings. A guy can go where he was supposed to go but bust, a guy could be a "reach" but become a star and so on.
When you're the incumbent SB winner, you can draft strictly on BPA assuming you have most of the team back that won the ring. If you're the Browns, you have to mix need and BPA, though I know some will still push BPA methodology until the day they die.
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If available in order
1A Watkins, Mack, Robinson, Matthews
1B Dennard, Evans, Bortles, Mosely, Clinton Dix, Donald
1C Odell Beckham, M. Lee, Bridgewater, Verret,
I obviously wont pick 2 WRs from the first round, if I already picked up Watkins or Evans.
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I expect some of this.....I have said many times that I don't expect us to have 10 players with 10 picks. I expect to see maybe 5-6 drafted players.
We don't want to add 10 rookies to the roster.
I could see a trade down early....maybe.....but a lot of trade ups after that.
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