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I know it's only voluntary, but it seems like between things like this and some of the Steelers' vets being upset with the release of Joey Porter, there could (possibly) be some dissention in the Burgh. I still think they'll get things worked out but it would be nice to see some disarray in Pittsburgh..  Steelers' Faneca boycotts voluntary minicamp Friday, April 20, 2007 By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Guard Alan Faneca boycotted the first day of Steelers minicamp today and is not expected to participate in any of the practices under new coach Mike Tomlin this weekend. This first minicamp is voluntary but the next one May 11-13 is mandatory. Faneca is unhappy with his contract, according to several of his teammates. Faneca has one year left on his deal and also is not happy with the lack of negotiations on an extension. Also missing from today's practice sessions were safety Troy Polamalu and linebacker Clark Haggans for personal reasons. The Steelers practice twice today, twice Saturday and once on Sunday. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07110/779711-66.stm
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Sounds like they'll be ripe for the picking in early September. 
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Maybe reading too much into things but I think people (and maybe the Steelers organization) did not realize how much Cowher kept things under control there. Every team has issues but I do not remember reading about Steelers under Cowher missing practices, voluntary or not.
Vets maybe trying to see how tight of a ship Tomlin runs???
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We said that last year as well..
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it has definitely happened under Cowher.
Just last year or the one before I think... didn't Hines skip some voluntary sessions? And then they went to a Super Bowl.
In short, it's nothing to put any stock into at this point in the year. Doubley so if contract negotiations are involved..... skipping camps is standard negotiation fare. It's what had Hines skipping sessions.
It's nothing at all.... so far.
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Geeez... 
This attitude already?
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Sounds like they'll be ripe for the picking in early September.
We said that last year as well..
Geeez...
This attitude already?
We've sorda had that attitude since '99 
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It's not true,, Fanaca was there,, they are just saying he wasn't,, it's a conspiracy,, they are trying to trick us into belieaving they are in disarray and will be weak come next season,, I repeat, it's a trick The preceeding message was brought to you by some mental midget who thought it was funny
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Vets maybe trying to see how tight of a ship Tomlin runs???
Exactly,...the way of the world. Same as the guy who always walks point on patrol when they assign you a new squad leader,..."Do I still have to walk point ??"
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I think the issue is that Fanaca's contract is up after this year and he wants to sign a long term contract along the lines of what Steinback and Davis got but the steelers just don't seem to want to pony up the cash.
Top FA lineman 2006 LCB signs with Clevelan
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Top FA lineman 2008 Fanaca signs with Cleveland?
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This attitude already?
No, if I started on the Steinbach surgery thread then I would have that attitude 
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it has definitely happened under Cowher.
Just last year or the one before I think... didn't Hines skip some voluntary sessions? And then they went to a Super Bowl.
In short, it's nothing to put any stock into at this point in the year. Doubley so if contract negotiations are involved..... skipping camps is standard negotiation fare. It's what had Hines skipping sessions.
It's nothing at all.... so far.
Exactly Prp, I clearly remeber the same situation with Ward. Nothing to get excited about at this point. More than likely this will work itself out.
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Faneca is unhappy with his contract...
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Isn't it odd to have a mini camp the week before the draft?
Perhaps it's a good idea to make final decisions on some players but I would think the coaches would have enough on their plate with pre-draft meetings.
Anyone know if any other teams do this?
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I think the issue is that Fanaca's contract is up after this year and he wants to sign a long term contract along the lines of what Steinback and Davis got but the steelers just don't seem to want to pony up the cash.
Top FA lineman 2006 LCB signs with Clevelan
Top FA lineman 2007 Steinbach signs with Cleveland
Top FA lineman 2008 Fanaca signs with Cleveland?
Something tells me Faneca will be a Cardinal next year if he doesn't re-sign in Pittsburgh.
I think Arizona will still have line problems at the end of this year and Whisenhunt's the coach there sooo...
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Well it seems that nothing is so-called "voluntary" these days!!
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Steelers unlikely to go up in draft Colbert said trades are possible, even one involving Faneca The Steelers are more likely to make a trade and move down the ladder in the first round from their No. 15 position than move up. Or so they say. Kevin Colbert, the team's director of football operations, also said they would consider trading players -- and that presumably would include unhappy guard Alan Faneca. "Sure, we're open to everything," Colbert said. "You never say never on any given situation. If you say you wouldn't do it and then all of a sudden someone proposes something crazy, you have to consider it." Colbert was asked specifically if that could include Faneca, a six-time Pro Bowl guard who is unhappy with the financial terms left on the final year of his contract. There have been rumors the Cardinals would like to acquire Faneca from the Steelers and reunite him with offensive line coach Russ Grimm and new Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt. Link
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That's a little ray of sunshine. I can't believe Pittsburgh would consider letting him go. Are they really that deep with talent?
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That's a little ray of sunshine. I can't believe Pittsburgh would consider letting him go. Are they really that deep with talent?
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I expect them to straighten things out and have him signed to a long term contract after the draft. JMHO
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I totally agree. There is no way that they trade him to another team. If they do, does that mean that the Steelers are starting to fall apart at the seams because they are not respecting their top players on the team?  I would not lose any sleep over this possibility.
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Arizona might be a likely candidate for a draft day trade with Pittsburgh for Faneca with Grimm and Wisenhunt. Think about it... Faneca will be a UFA next season, he's not happy with his current contract because he wants Steinbach-money, and he can hold out all through training camp until they re-up his contract. The Steelers could get a Round 2 pick for '07 and and a Round 2 pick for '08 for him, why wouldn't they trade for him? If they don't trade, they get nothing for him next year and they might have to resign for ridiculous money and the Rooney's aren't ones to do that. Just ask Joey Porter. It's new regime. Get a few more picks, trade Faneca and the headache to Arizona and get younger on the o-line. It'd be stupid not to try to trade him. JMHO.
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Arizona might be a likely candidate for a draft day trade with Pittsburgh for Faneca with Grimm and Wisenhunt. Think about it... Faneca will be a UFA next season, he's not happy with his current contract because he wants Steinbach-money, and he can hold out all through training camp until they re-up his contract. The Steelers could get a Round 2 pick for '07 and and a Round 2 pick for '08 for him, why wouldn't they trade for him? If they don't trade, they get nothing for him next year and they might have to resign for ridiculous money and the Rooney's aren't ones to do that. Just ask Joey Porter. It's new regime. Get a few more picks, trade Faneca and the headache to Arizona and get younger on the o-line. It'd be stupid not to try to trade him. JMHO.
I can't see a team like Arizona giving up a couple of second rounders for someone who's going to be an expensive FA next year. They'd be giving up precious draft picks and having to re-negotiate for Steinbach money this year, they could just pay Steinbach money next year. The price tag would have to be much lower for a trade to make sense.
Here's to hoping that Pittsburgh has it's first of many headaches this year.
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Hmmmm.... link "We're in a great spot at No. 5," Graves said. "I think we're assured of getting an excellent football player there, but there is some attractiveness in that by moving down several spots, we could still get an excellent football player and be in a position to possibly pick up a second-round pick or multiple picks." It is easier to deal in picks rather than players on draft day. In the 15 minutes between picks in the first round, it is hard to consummate a deal involving a player already in the league. Questions of the player's health, contract status and salary cap impact must be addressed. It can be done, however, especially if the coaching staff is familiar with a player. If the Steelers, for instance, were to call with a deal that included sending offensive lineman Alan Faneca to Arizona, coach Ken Whisenhunt and his staff could quickly make the call on Faneca's abilities. The Cardinals are about $3 million under the cap, so they might have to make some contract adjustments to accommodate someone such as Faneca, who is due to make $3.375 million in salary this year. But the Faneca situation bears watching. He is in the last year of his contract and is not happy with the lack of progress in negotiating an extension. Faneca has not attended the team's off-season program or voluntary practices. Think about it. They use their first round pick on a high-impact player at #5 or possibly trade that pick and move down for more picks. They use (one of) their second round pick(s) on Alan Faneca, a veteran pro-bowl o-lineman. And then they keep the rest of their picks this year. During the 2007 season, they do much better than last year because of the improved o-line help resulting in a lower draft pick for '08. Their second round draft pick for '08 that they traded to the Steelers is much lower than their '07 pick and can easily be replenished with another trade at a later date. I think this is very possible and both sides would be silly not to try to get it done.
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Think about it. They use their first round pick on a high-impact player at #5 or possibly trade that pick and move down for more picks. They use (one of) their second round pick(s) on Alan Faneca, a veteran pro-bowl o-lineman. And then they keep the rest of their picks this year. During the 2007 season, they do much better than last year because of the improved o-line help resulting in a lower draft pick for '08. Their second round draft pick for '08 that they traded to the Steelers is much lower than their '07 pick and can easily be replenished with another trade at a later date. I think this is very possible and both sides would be silly not to try to get it done.
That's a good point. The trade down scenario might work if they could find a dancing partner. Hmm...
Here's to Pittsburgh losing a good guard, or developing a headache! Either way Cleveland stands to benefit.
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