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Trade Down from #4 to #9 for the Buffalo Bills 2015 1st and 4th round picks.
A+ Watkins or Mack would have been very good picks but getting next years 1st and 4th to only move down 5 spots was a brillant move.
Trade up 1 spot and a 5th round pick to get CB Justin Gilbert.
C+ I like the pick of Gilbert but why trade up 1 spot? Was another team really going to move ahead of Cleveland for Gilbert? If so and if corner was top selection was giving up the 5th a better solution than standing pat and selecting one of the other top corners like Fuller or Dennard. Move would have been an A for Gilbert without the trade up. Teaming him with Haden and having a corner like Skrine in the slot looks ver formable.
Trade up 4 spots for a 3rd round pick to select Johnny Manziel
C Again I like the pick of Manziel but why the trade up? Manziel could have fallen to #26. If not Bridgewater and Carr would have been available. I would have given the Manziel pick without a trade up a B because of the boom and/or bust factor. This team needs a QB, Without a QB the team would continue to spin it's wheels year after year. No problem taking a QB with the 2nd #1 and I would have graded Bridgwater and Carr with B's also. I graded the move a C due to the trade up.
Overall, I would grade day 1 as a B+ for selecting 2 good players and acquiring 2015 1st and 4th round draft picks. I could not give the team an A because of the 2 trade up's losing a 3rd and a 5th round draft picks.
What grades do you all give tonights moves?
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Trade #1:
A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That was an amazing trade. I think Farmer laid the ground work for this days ago with the intent of getting Gilbert. Getting a 2015 1st rounder is amazing, especially when considering that Buffalo still isn't likely to be a playoff team.
Drafting Gilbert/moving up 1 spot
A-
Moving up a spot and giving up a pick gives me some pause, but getting Gilbert is fantastic. He was my favorite CB in the draft and is just an amazing cover guy, the perfect fit on the other side of Haden. Our Secondary is now elite.
Trading up to 22
B+ Would rather have given up a 4th rounder, but it is what it is.
Drafting Johnny Manziel
B-
He has a chance to be great in the NFL. But will he hold up? I'm not sure. Will his style of play shorten his career? I'm not sure.
Overall, it was an A- day. Great day for a first time NFL GM. Got some good system fits and came away confident in them having a plan.
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Gilbert scenario I'm giving A-. He secured the other side of the ball with the top CB in the draft and got another 1st next year.
Manziel C+- not sure why we jumped to get him. Would like to have that 3rd back.
I really think Haslam did his best Jerry Jones on this one.
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You can question the moves back up, but if you want a player, go get them.
I am sure that Manziel would not have been sitting at 26, my guess is that Minny would have jumped in front.
There was good potential that Minny could have taken Gilbert as well.
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I give the trade down a big fat A+. Excellent move.
I give the pick of Gilbert a solid A. A big cover CB, who has ball skills, is an excellent compliment to Haden.
Manziel gets an I, for incomplete. I don't think that we could have stayed at 26 and still got him. Twitter was rampant with rumors from national guys that the Vikings were trying to get there for Manziel as well. Manziel is an exciting guy, and hopefully he'll translate to the NFL. He gets an I for now though.
Man, I am thinking of grabbing a guy like Lee to match with Gordon. Lee and Woods were 2 of my favorite WRs 2 years ago.
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Traded down 5 spots and added the bills 1st in 2014 and a 4th!!!!!!!!! Brilliant
traded up 1 spot to get the #1 Corner in the Draft Brilliant!!!!!!!!!
Traded up from 26 to 22 to prevent someone jumping you to get the #1 QB in this years Draft !!!!!!!! Criminal
This wasnt the best move i have seen on draft day but it may be the best series of moves I have seen on any draft day. Farmer was brilliant and what he managed to do was historical.
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Trade from #4 to #9: A+
I was extremely high on Sammy Watkins, and we had him right there at 4 ... but getting the guy you probably coveted anyway and a 2015 first rounder?? That's a killing right there!
Trade from #9 to #8: B-
I don't know about this ... It sort of smells like somebody got conned into giving up a 5th rounder to move up one spot. Then again ... it's only a 5th rounder. In the end it wasn't really that much to pay. For all those guys who screamed to "just get your guy" ... there it was. We got our guy ...
Drafting Justin Gilbert: A
... who was apparently "the guy" all along. Nobody ever said anything about him leading up to the draft. We looked Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack, and 3 of the 4 QBs available square in the face and said, nope ... our guy will be there at 9! ( ... okay, maybe 8)
Moving up 4 spots for a 3rd rounder: C
This one hurt a bit. I probably would of been fine with sitting there at 26 and taking either Teddy or Manziel if they fell. I think they both have their issues and are going to be boom or bust ... but the FO knew which one they wanted. They played their cards right for the most part ... and got him at 22 instead of 18 picks earlier. We got a 1st and a 4th next year, and only lost a 3rd and a 5th ... I think we still came out way ahead with that first trade.
Drafting Johnny Manziel: A
If I were to do a re-draft, I'd probably take Teddy at #26 and keep my third rounder, but the FO did their homework, and this was the guy they wanted. I still give the pick an A, cause I like Manziel as a project QB. At 4 this wasn't a good pick ... at 22 this is a great pick! Now we've got a JFB with a chip on his shoulder, the burning desire to prove everyone that they were wrong, and (hopefully) a year to sit behind Hoyer to learn the system ... rather than getting thrust into top 5 pick expectations. As much grief as some people give him for not always making quick reads ... he's an extremely young QB, that only had two years of playing college ball. I thinks he's got tons of room to grow and a desire to get better.
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Even though I think Watkins was the guy to take at #4,because with him and Gordon there isn't a defense who could handle that.But we got a damn good CB and Johnny Football,plus we get to pretty much be in the same draft shape again next year,I would give this a A- to B+ grade.
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I agree. We owned the day. 
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Watkins to Bills: They need an explosive playmaker, and I like Watkins. But moving up can be risky. Does he put them over the top? GRADE C- -Pete Prisco
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The fact the Browns got another 1st rounder for a guy who I didn't think was all that special of a WR is daylight robbery.
you had a good run Hank.
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We gave up our lower of 2 3rd rounders and our 5th. We got Gilbert, Manziel and Buffalo's 1st and 4th next year. Seems like a pretty good night to me.
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JFB was not going past 22. It leaked out quickly that vikings wanted JFB at 22 and had a trade in place. We made a better offer at the last minute and got the pick.
I have a feeling we were going to trade our 2nd round pick and some other picks so we could have kept our 26.
Minny made us pay.
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It is taking me some time to warm up to Johnny but it was a great 1st Rd. ... A+ 
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Addressing the two areas of need, CB and QB, plus picking up the Bills first and fourth rounders next year...for "that", the Browns deserve an A, "today".
As most know, 3 years from now, the "final grade" might be different.
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It was an A+ 1st round thanks to the robbery trade and the fact that they played the draft perfectly...
...then they drafted a HS SS to be their franchise QB. I can't put in words or a letter how much it all crashed down for me. QB was our biggest need and I don't feel like we dafted one to play it. Not sure I can pick myself up and get excited for the rest of this now. The value was still good overall, but I can't get excited about "next year" every year, as the 1st next year was the biggest get for me. Would have been much easier for me to accept that gamble if Teddy was off the board....
That 22nd pick is cursed or something. It also does have the looks of an owner throwing his Weight around and giving the masses what they were screaming for.
Oh well, go Johnny
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Getting a huge upgrade to Buster Skrine would have made this first round a B...Getting his replacement with the best CB in the draft, moves it to an A.
Getting arguably(I would argue obviously) the best QB in this draft at #22 is another A
Draft round one, A Grade....
OH WAIT, They did all that AND got a First and Fourth in 2015??
THAT ^ ^ ^ Makes this round an A ++
How could you not make the Browns moves the highlight of this draft. I know we won't know for sure for a few years, but these moves and subsequent picks, based on potential, I can't remember a draft since they took Joe Thomas that was as big a step forward for this franchise...At the time of the draft...obviously that draft didn't turn around the franchise.
But I think they did what they could to make that happen last night.
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They got the QB they wanted without panic/reach at 4, at 9 and and 8. He fell, and they moved in to get him right before he was likely gone, and picked up a good 1st round pick next year and the top CB along the way.
So far, so good.
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Moving up a spot and giving up a pick gives me some pause, Not picking on you but Really Guys?!?! We moved up in 2004 one slot giving up a 2nd rounder. A 5th round pick. We are getting better and better talent. I'll say this right now. A 5th round pick is going to have a hard time MAKING OUR ROSTER! Be prepared for a lot more move ups
We knew who we wanted - Vikings wanted to get their guy we wanted to get ours. Vikings were getting offers that they didn't really wish to risk dropping that far. With us they knew our target and theirs was not the same guy. This thing isn't a game or pretend MOCK or something of that nature HE AIN'T THERE SO LETS TAKE SO N SO!! no way! We knew exactly who we wanted and didn't wish to risk losing OUR GUY...WE Got a freaking 1st and 4th in 2015 plus the guy we wanted!
But I don't know we gave up a 5th...come on Dawgs. You just got rescued from the desert (hopefully we aren't eating ice cream...lol) and you are complaining cause they gave you Avian Water and not Poland Spring!?!?
We targeted somebody and we gave away a 5th rounder but gained a 1st and a 4th rounder...FOR THE GUY WE WANTED!!! How good is that.
Love this draft so far and we could trade away the rest of the draft and I still would love it! So all the rest of the picks we make Bonus!!
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From what I understand both moves were explicitly to stop other teams from taking our guys at the same spot (less sure on Gilbert).
A 5th round? Peanuts.
The 3rd from 26 to 22 is a good bit more than that (a possible starter), but we're talking about taking our franchise QB. Not a huge deal.
Annnnd getting a 1st from Buffalo of all teams? Talk about top 10 potential.
Honestly Lombardi + Banner the T Rich trade was possibly the greatest thing I'd ever seen from a Browns GM. Farmer may have just put that to shame with what he just did to Buffalo.
Grade A+, far and away the best draft in the league. And we have another 1st next season to pull the exact same shenanigans, very very good A+++.
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Trade Down - A, I really like Watkins, but when you can grab a likely top 15 pick to go down 5 spots in the draft. You do it every day. I would have made this trade from every spot except number 1 (where i think you need more to give up Clowney)
Justin Gilbert at 8 - B+. I like Lewan more here, and also had Fuller one spot ahead of Gilbert (though I understand why you take Gilbert for our defense, and I almost moved him ahead of Fuller yesterday). He's a one trick pony (man CB) - but he is very very good at that skill. Probably the best ball skills of any CB in the last 5 years. Can he tackle? Can he play in zone? Those questions remain to be answered.
I'm not a fan of the tradeup, but don't dock them many points for it. I think when the compensation gets really small, its an indication that the guy you want will still be there when you pick either way (Vikings certainly weren't taking Gilbert, and maybe a team behind the Browns wanted him, but the fact that the compensation was so small indicates that the Vikings didn't want to move back that far anyway). I think it indicates that we wanted either Evans or Gilbert at 9, so as soon as Evans went we made the trade.
Johnny Football - B - I like Bridgewater a lot more. But I think it's entirely possible that Manziel is a boom prospect who becomes a top 10 QB in the league. You have to have a top 5 or top 10 QB to win in this league, which means you have to take risks at this position. He could also be out of the league in 3 years.
This tradeup hurts a little, because 83 isn't a throwaway pick. You have to trust Farmer that somebody else was about to tradeup, and then it's a reasonable cost for a franchise QB. If not, it's a pretty big mistake.
My draft at this point would be to take the tradedown with Buffalo, and then take Lewan/Bridgewater. But I can't fault the Browns for what they've done so far. I give the draft overall a solid A-.
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Watch season ticket sales take off. Most experts have graded this Browns first round A. We have 2 shut down corners and the most passionate QB in football. Day 2 should be special and 2 first rounders next year should seal the deal. Hoyer is going to have to work extra hard, and that;s a good thing.
I agree. I'm not sure that Gilbert was the #1 CB in the draft, but he is certainly a good one and Manziel will push Hoyer for the starting job.
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j/c Trade for a 2015 First round pick....check. Selected arguably the best cornerback in the draft....check. Selected arguably the best quarterback in the draft....check. I'm beginning to think Pettine and Farmer are complete idiots. 
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The net cost of Manziel was a mid 1st, so not sure about going value-gaga here and since we burned two starter picks, it makes it worse and steeper a price to pay and it could bite us back much more if he busts out, which is a possibility even his biggest supporters concede.
In many ways he's a boom or bust pick like Weeden, just a 180 as a player. Would have liked the picks so much more if Teddy was gone. Will be interesting to see them develop and see who was smarter 2-3 years from now. I would have put my money on Teddy...
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Moving down and still keeping two 1st rd picks while getting another first rd pick for next year. Pffft, that's a solid A.
I only know of one other team in New England that could have pulled this off. But they usually pan out there. Hope it's our turn.
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I liked your analysis Excl....I can't add anything to the Gilbert section except to say that I thought the moves to acquire Gilbert was just brilliant. Yes. I liked Watkins, Mack, and Evans(even Jake Matthews)....around the 4 pick...But to get the top CB (in a draft where DB's were flying off the board) and plug him into a scheme where press coverage CB's are vital....AND get a #1 pick next year.....man that is some SMOOTH moves. Love the pick!!!
Where we differ is the Manziel pick. The one player in this draft I wanted no part of. I liken it to Kellen Winslow Jr. Another player I wanted no part of. Both of these kids are very talented. Both of these kids are very driven. And both of these kids are very immature. With Winslow....it took an accident that ruined his career for him to grow up. Sure we had a couple of decent years from him....BUT....this kid was BETTER than his father.....and all we got was a couple of decent seasons.
Another player I liken his game to is Brett Favre. Manziel is a reactionary player. And like Favre, he is going to amaze us with some plays. But also like Favre, he is going to drive us crazy with the interceptions that he throws. Here is the problem.....he doesn't have Brett's Arm...and he doesn't have Brett's Size and Durability.
2 things....If he can learn from history....and grow up...without that fatalistic incident.....and if he can learn to prepare and learn the game like a Bree's, Manning, Brady, where he doesn't rely (as much) on his reactions and relies on his knowledge of what is going to happen before the snap ever happens....Then the reactionary play becomes a compliment instead of a crutch...And we have a great QB....
But honestly....I would rather have Bridgewater....
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Trade from #4 to #9: A+
I was extremely high on Sammy Watkins, and we had him right there at 4 ... but getting the guy you probably coveted anyway and a 2015 first rounder?? That's a killing right there!
Trade from #9 to #8: B-
I don't know about this ... It sort of smells like somebody got conned into giving up a 5th rounder to move up one spot. Then again ... it's only a 5th rounder. In the end it wasn't really that much to pay. For all those guys who screamed to "just get your guy" ... there it was. We got our guy ...
Drafting Justin Gilbert: A
... who was apparently "the guy" all along. Nobody ever said anything about him leading up to the draft. We looked Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack, and 3 of the 4 QBs available square in the face and said, nope ... our guy will be there at 9! ( ... okay, maybe 8)
Moving up 4 spots for a 3rd rounder: C
This one hurt a bit. I probably would of been fine with sitting there at 26 and taking either Teddy or Manziel if they fell. I think they both have their issues and are going to be boom or bust ... but the FO knew which one they wanted. They played their cards right for the most part ... and got him at 22 instead of 18 picks earlier. We got a 1st and a 4th next year, and only lost a 3rd and a 5th ... I think we still came out way ahead with that first trade.
Drafting Johnny Manziel: A
If I were to do a re-draft, I'd probably take Teddy at #26 and keep my third rounder, but the FO did their homework, and this was the guy they wanted. I still give the pick an A, cause I like Manziel as a project QB. At 4 this wasn't a good pick ... at 22 this is a great pick! Now we've got a JFB with a chip on his shoulder, the burning desire to prove everyone that they were wrong, and (hopefully) a year to sit behind Hoyer to learn the system ... rather than getting thrust into top 5 pick expectations. As much grief as some people give him for not always making quick reads ... he's an extremely young QB, that only had two years of playing college ball. I thinks he's got tons of room to grow and a desire to get better.
Overall First Round: A
As for the move up for Manziel, Could it be that the Browns heard from one of their guys on the floor of the Garden that a team ahead of them wanted Manziel?
And if Manziel was the Target QB, then honestly, I have no problem with them going up for him.
My questions on Manziel still exist. I recognize that he's an exciting player. Very exciting in fact.
But I still question his durability. I wanna know how he's gonna hold up when a guy like Suggs lands on him..
I wish the best.. I just wanna win, Hopefully he can make that happen.
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It really is this simple.
Was I a Johnny guy? No. BUT - I'll put my agenda aside and say the GM and FO got their targets and how can you criticize that?
Downgrading the moves and the picks because they weren't your guy ... pah.
For every fan that thinks Johnny will be a bust - there's a scout or ex-NFL player or coach saying the guy will be a winner. . . . I hope he sits for a year behind Hoyer. . . but unlike previous regimes I believe Petine when he says it'll be a competition.
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Trade for a 2015 First round pick....check.
Selected arguably the best cornerback in the draft....check.
Selected arguably the best quarterback in the draft....check.
I'm beginning to think Pettine and Farmer are complete idiots.
Meant to quote this. As I said - its this simple.
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Part of me feels Manziel was a reach...a big one....
Johnny Manziel is one of five quarterbacks in the NFL's common draft era -- dating to 1967 -- to be chosen with the No. 22 pick. Three of those quarterbacks, including Manziel, have been taken by the Browns.
Quarterbacks Drafted With 22nd Pick
Year QB Team
2014 Johnny Manziel Browns
2012 Brandon Weeden Browns
2007 Brady Quinn Browns
2004 J.P. Losman Bills
2003 Rex Grossman Bears
So tell me...history tells us that QB that slide this far down the draft charts taken in the 1st often suck....none of those guys on that lists were any good, Weeden was horrible and taken at the same spot.....Manziel is a big question mark....if he works out, great, but his size, lack of disipline, hotdogging it, and party animal immaturity bring big questions about how much this kid is actually going to give.
His "Money sign" he gave when he got picked totally was a dumb move on his part and gives me the impression that all this kid cares about is money....color me unimpressed...
Manziel is a puny, spoiled brat...I was high on Manziel early on until i really got to looking into his character....his "Money sign" says it all...this kid only cares about himself...mark my words he will be a me-first prima donna that will be a big distraction to this team in the years to come...and he will cry to the media when he don't get his way....good luck with this kid Jimmy......
We should have traded up with The Rams and Took Blake Bortles...6'5 232 pounds...the kids the next Big Ben Rothlisberger....so what if he had to give a few picks this year and maybe next year...at least we would have our QB....i don't mind paying for a premium to get a top notch quality player...I would take Bortles anyday over Manzeil and 7 times on Sunday....
oh well, least it will be fun to eat popcorn and watch "Johnny Money Me" get his face handed to him in this division.....Cincy, Baltimore, and Pitt Defenses are licking their chops at the chance to scrap Manzeil off the field like he just got run over by a Mack truck....
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Ended the day with:
CB Justin Gilbert
QB Johnny Manziel
Buffalo's 2014 1st round pick
Buffalo's 2014 4th round pick
Lost:
3rd round pick: the second one from the Steelers
5th round pick
This is a great draft. Getting Gilbert, a 1st rounder and 4th rounder is great. Losing a 5th their is no big deal. The Brown haven't drafted anyone great in the 5th most of the time. Manziel was worth the trade up as well. Losing a 3rd to have Manziel instead of Bridgewater or Carr is totally worth it.
I give the 1st round of the draft an A
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I, also, am on the fence re: Johnny "Cleveland", lol. I really did not care for many of his antics off the field at Texas A&M, while being fairly stunned by many of his actions on the field. Go figure... Anyway, as we have waited these extra weeks for Draft Day to finally arrive, I started to acquiesce that the Browns (Haslam, and many Dawg Talkers) were fairly enamored with the guy, so I started to dig a little deeper into Johnny's hype. One thing that stands out to me is "32", the number Manziel scored on his Wonderlic Test. To establish some perspective, here are some of today's best and brightest QB's, and their scores; Peyton Manning - 28 Tom Brady - 33 Eli Manning - 39 Drew Brees - 28 Andrew Luck - 37 Russell Wilson - 28 Manziel - 32 I think Eli blows the curve for everyone else listed, but Manziel's score is right in the middle, if not upper end-ish. If you wish to peruse this issue further, NFLDraftScout.com posted this story; http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-d...ll-on-wonderlicIn the end, we will witness the Fairy Tale, or the Crime of the Century, that is Johnny Manziel.
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So tell me...history tells us that QB that slide this far down the draft charts taken in the 1st often suck....
History also shows us that Aaron Rodgers slipped to 24th and Drew Brees and Brett Favre slipped to the second round. So history is telling us ... we should of waited 2 picks and THEN taken him!
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This is kind of silly of me but honestly when I found out Bridgewater's wonderlic score of 20 I soured on him a lot. For a guy being touted as the cerebral qb in the draft (the main reason I wanted him) 20 is scary low.
For anyone familiar with IQ moreso than Wonderlic, the general rule of thumb is your IQ is your wonderlic x 2 + 60.
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Justin Gilbert: Nobody ever said anything about him leading up to the draft.
hey man, that hurts
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I'll be fully honest here and please don't bash me too hard for playing that card, but I think part of Teddy's fall is "racial" bias. No, not the typcial "black QB" thing. It's actually just that he's just the opposite: a smart, game managing QB who does look off DBs and that stuff more than make plays on his athleticism, thin Vick or Newton. It's like the GMs and scouts looked at each other and thought: I haven't seen that before, it cant be true that a black QB plays so the position so "white".
Just a thought I had, maybe I'm totally wrong and I don't think it's been consciously offensively racial, but I have that feeling that it was in a lot of minds and thats why he fell. It's like they didn't and couldn't believe what they saw, "a black QB that isn't an athlete first?"
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Just a thought I had, maybe I'm totally wrong and I don't think it's been consciously offensively racial, but I have that feeling that it was in a lot of minds and thats why he fell. It's like they didn't and couldn't believe what they saw, "a black QB that isn't an athlete first?"
Completely disagree ... the guy was pegged as a #1 pick until he flubbed his Pro Day and came up average in just about every other off-season draft activity.
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