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Django I respect your opinion and haven't seen enough of Matthews or Lee to make a distinction so I'm going to take your word for this one and hope to hear Lee's name called and then hope he's not a little Little. 
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yes and no. if you are looking for absolutes, yeah, it's absurd. if you are looking at how a guy projects, then no, it's not absurd at all..
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No it isn't, it's fun. Based on my expectations so far, I give this draft a solid A-... see, nothing absurd about it.. fun.. not absurd.. just fun.
Does my grade mean anything? Nope, insert long blurb about needing 3 years and blahblahblah.. still just fun. 
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I have to give the 1st round an "A" Grade.
We landed our top Cornerback.
QB that many projected us to take at #4, some considered #1 overall.
Buffalo's 1st rounder in 2015! Not Seattle's, not Indy's. A team that probably won't make the playoffs.
(other GMs very easily could have taken Manziel at #4. Traded a ton for Gilbert, and not acquired that 1st rounder)
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CB Justin Gilbert
QB Johnny Manziel
Buffalo's 2014 1st round pick
Buffalo's 2014 4th round pick
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3rd round pick: the second one from the Steelers
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This is a great draft. Getting Gilbert, a 1st rounder and 4th rounder is great. Losing a 5th their is no big deal. The Brown haven't drafted anyone great in the 5th most of the time. Manziel was worth the trade up as well. Losing a 3rd to have Manziel instead of Bridgewater or Carr is totally worth it.
I give the 1st round of the draft an A
I'm not a big fan of Manziel's style of play but I absolutely like him much more than Bridgewater. I wouldn't have been upset if they had chosen Derek Carr there either, but Manziel certainly seems to bring the electricity to a broad swath of the fan base. Apparently, there has been a swell of season ticket purchases since the announcement. That might figure into his contract negotiations. 
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Can't really complain too much.
Not crazy about Manziel, but we shored ourselves up enough to take the risk.
Getting Buffalo's first next year is huge. We'll most likely have two picks in the top 10-15 next year.
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Just a thought I had, maybe I'm totally wrong and I don't think it's been consciously offensively racial, but I have that feeling that it was in a lot of minds and thats why he fell. It's like they didn't and couldn't believe what they saw, "a black QB that isn't an athlete first?"
Completely disagree ... the guy was pegged as a #1 pick until he flubbed his Pro Day and came up average in just about every other off-season draft activity.
But you knew that someone would play the 'race card' about it and it shouldn't surprise anyone that it was Django that did it. I think he's got a hotline to Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, whose racism makes the KKK's racism seem lame and boring by comparison. The KKK doesn't have a show on MSNBC where they can openly espouse their racism.
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Getting Buffalo's first next year is huge. We'll most likely have two picks in the top 10-15 next year.
Talk about insurance! If our QBs struggle, we know our pick will be up top. Buffalo not likely to make the playoffs.
So, we're covered to go after QB again in the worst-case scenario. And if either QB shines? We don't need to address QB and we're loaded again.
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I'll be fully honest here and please don't bash me too hard for playing that card, but I think part of Teddy's fall is "racial" bias.
I did find it very odd that they showed highlights for Manziel and Bortles and negatives/lowlights clips for Teddy. I'll be honest, I shied away from saying it, but I can't say you're off base here.
I can. Django is off base here. He should probably be checked out medically as a strange phenomenon. He did have an out-of-body experience, but an out-of-mind experience.
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First I thought to make a response about what you wrote, asking how you came to your "conclusion", but then I realized it was only you and thought this post was funnier and more approriate
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I don't think that played into it. Of course, we'll never really know. But my feeling is that Teddy dropped either because he was 1. Never really rated that high by teams, or 2. bad showing at his proday..
My guess is that it's number 1.
I also think that's the case. He wasn't as highly rated by teams as many fans and the media tried to make him.
I'm actually surprised that Minnesota traded up to get him. When it was initially announced, I kept thinking that maybe it was Derek Carr that they were going up to get.
It will be interesting to see what the Texans do. Will they take their QB at #33, make a trade for Mallett, or wait to get their QB later or even trade back and take him later in the 2nd round.
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Django I respect your opinion and haven't seen enough of Matthews or Lee to make a distinction so I'm going to take your word for this one and hope to hear Lee's name called and then hope he's not a little Little.
Little was a project at WR who had "potential". Lee is an actual WR, think a much more athletic version of Keenan Allen 
Matthews would be fine too though, maybe even more upside left, but he could take a little more time to impact
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Just a thought I had, maybe I'm totally wrong and I don't think it's been consciously offensively racial, but I have that feeling that it was in a lot of minds and thats why he fell. It's like they didn't and couldn't believe what they saw, "a black QB that isn't an athlete first?"
Completely disagree ... the guy was pegged as a #1 pick until he flubbed his Pro Day and came up average in just about every other off-season draft activity.
But you knew that someone would play the 'race card' about it and it shouldn't surprise anyone that it was Django that did it. I think he's got a hotline to Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, whose racism makes the KKK's racism seem lame and boring by comparison. The KKK doesn't have a show on MSNBC where they can openly espouse their racism.
See, excl gave a logical response as to why he didn't think race was a factor, you went on a racism rant... you might disagree that race played a factor, and that's fine, but it's not too far fetched to consider it or discuss it.
Personally I hope it wasn't a factor but it could have been.. not the overt kind of racism where GMs are sitting around discussing how they can't draft him because he's black and not mobile like black QBs are supposed to be.. a much more subtle internal feeling watching a black QB who thrives on his brain rather than his 6'6" frame, his canon arm and/or his 4.4 speed..
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See, excl gave a logical response as to why he didn't think race was a factor, you went on a racism rant... you might disagree that race played a factor, and that's fine, but it's not too far fetched to consider it or discuss it.
Yes it is. If the Browns (and NFL teams) passed on him, it had nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with Bridgewater being evaluated and not grading well by the teams that were drafting.
Maybe you could say that it was racism that Manziel wasn't drafted until #22 with the Browns because he was thought by many mock drafts to be the #4 overall selection. 
If you think that racism plays any part in this, you've got to pull your head out your butt. We don't live in a post-Civil War society. We don't even live in a pre-1980s society. Race relations aren't the problem that many want to pretend that it is. If there is any animosity between Americans of different races, it's those that see racism everywhere and in every action that are it's biggest progenitors.
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Personally I hope it wasn't a factor but it could have been.. not the overt kind of racism where GMs are sitting around discussing how they can't draft him because he's black and not mobile like black QBs are supposed to be.. a much more subtle internal feeling watching a black QB who thrives on his brain rather than his 6'6" frame, his canon arm and/or his 4.4 speed..
You can't be serious. If there is anyone that a racist (and it's not hidden at all) in all this, it's those that are positing the notion that racism (conscious or unconscious) plays any part in NFL drafts.
Anyone that thinks that has issues and they're quite possibly of the mental illness variety.
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Fair enough.. those who believe that race is never an issue, subtle or overt, are clearly the ones dealing in reality then.
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Racism ended in 1994.
Sorry, I missed that memo. 
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There wasn't a memo. We figured everyone knew after they gave a black guy speaking lines on Friends.
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Sorry, I missed that memo.
There wasn't a memo. We figured everyone knew after they gave a black guy speaking lines on Friends.
Ya... that's how I found out. I was watching Friends, saw this black guy speaking and said to myself... "wow, guess we finally put an end to racism.. that's awesome!"
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Sorry, I missed that memo.
There wasn't a memo. We figured everyone knew after they gave a black guy speaking lines on Friends.
See I must have missed that episode and I didn't have a DVR in 1994.. I do remember a black guy speaking on MASH back in the 70s.. what did that mean?
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Sorry, I missed that memo.
There wasn't a memo. We figured everyone knew after they gave a black guy speaking lines on Friends.
See I must have missed that episode and I didn't have a DVR in 1994.. I do remember a black guy speaking on MASH back in the 70s.. what did that mean?
well they called that guy in mash "spear chucker" what does that tell you.
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well they called that guy in mash "spear chucker" what does that tell you.
He was an Olympian?
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Yes, that's when Bill Clinton became our first black president.
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Clinton was elected in 1992.
Forget it, he's rolling.
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Manziel is a puny, spoiled brat...
Just so long as we keep to his football ability and acumen right?
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Its when he was proclaimed, not elected. On my phone and a pain type, google it.
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Veering back on topic...
I like all the maneuvering. The FO is serious.
I'm not sure Gilbert is the type of CB we need. Definitely a ball hawk...maybe to a fault. His highlight reel shows a bunch of poorly thrown passes getting picked. And he doesn't appear to tackle hard or wrap up. He'll see tons of slants with much larger and more talented receivers.
Manziel was a great business move. Seats are selling already. Still a lot of risk.
How we use the next rounds are critical. I hope we get Hyde with #35, trade up and get Su'a-Filo. Then get another QB since I don't see Tanney, Young or Thigpen being serious contenders for a spot. I'd like to see one of the bigger QBs such as Mettenberger or Thomas picked up. throw in best available wide receiver and third down LB.
I vow to smack everyone who says the importance of the running back is diminished in the NFL today.
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I like all the maneuvering. The FO is serious.
I'm not sure Gilbert is the type of CB we need. Definitely a ball hawk...maybe to a fault. His highlight reel shows a bunch of poorly thrown passes getting picked. And he doesn't appear to tackle hard or wrap up. He'll see tons of slants with much larger and more talented receivers.
Manziel was a great business move. Seats are selling already. Still a lot of risk.
How we use the next rounds are critical. I hope we get Hyde with #35, trade up and get Su'a-Filo. Then get another QB since I don't see Tanney, Young or Thigpen being serious contenders for a spot. I'd like to see one of the bigger QBs such as Mettenberger or Thomas picked up. throw in best available wide receiver and third down LB.
In Pettine's defense you don't value tackling by the CBs. You want a press cover guy that can shut down a WR. Sure Gilbert will be facing talented WRs in the NFL but he's NOT our #1 CB... that is Haden so Gilbert isn't going to be asked to stop the #1 WR. He should be ok once he acclimates but that assumes he plays up to his potential. It's all speculation until they actually play after-all.
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A-. I like the corner. And we have a QB for the sideshow. We have the cake, now I want the icing. My hat is off to Farmer if these pan out. 
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Just so long as we keep to his football ability and acumen right?
No doubt he comes from money. It showed when he interviewed after he was drafted. The thing is, now he'll be among his peers. Wealthy men who just so happen to make a living either ripping off a QB's head or preventing said decapitation. I seriously doubt anyone is going to give much thought to his money any more.
If he wants to go down as a spoiled rich kid who thought he could play football all he has to do is play the part. Or he can kick it in gear and play up to his potential. We drafted the potential at 22. The ball's in his court now.
I'm really hoping he goes down as one of the greatest to ever play the game. Because that would make a weary old Browns fan like me very happy.
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Fair enough.. those who believe that race is never an issue, subtle or overt, are clearly the ones dealing in reality then.
I don't think that it's the case in regards to the NFL decision makers. It's a charge without naming anyone. It's simple to dispute it because it's pure conjecture backed up by a wish that it's true. That's what I come to expect from Django. Everything is about race. The Browns passed on Bridgewater and drafted Manziel because of race. That has to be the case because Jimmy Haslam, being white, wanted a white QB and not a black one.
Do you see how absurd that sounds? It would sound exactly as absurd if it was any other owner or front office decision maker. Frankly, I think it's Django that's got a problem with race. Complaining about phantom racial hatred seems to be his sole reason for existing. It somehow gets injected into every discussion where he perceives a black man was slighted in some way.
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