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I'm so glad the store was out of Josh Gordon jerseys on Thursday! Picked up a Whitner instead.  I think, and maybe its the conspiracy side in me coming out, that Cleveland made such big waves and was looking like the smartest team on the first day that all the haters tried to find any negative news to burst our happiness balloon. They dropped two old stories at the exact moment that we all got excited. That happened for a reason. The media just sucks! They aren't pleased with themselves unless they have more news of the terrible Cleveland curse. We need to ignore the news, stop responding to it and trust the leaders of the team to make the right moves going forward.
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Dear lord, can we go at least one year without having one of our best players injured/suspended for the first few weeks of the season?
Bentley blowing out his knee, Leon racing barefoot and getting his foot stepped on, Hadden suspended, Gordon suspended x2. It just never ends. Heck, you can go all the way back to Spielman. When did Jamie Miller get hurt? Was it in preseason too?
I just wonder why I am still here rooting for them and expecting things to change.
I also question the timing of this news release. Does someone have a vendetta against the Browns?
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I think, and maybe its the conspiracy side in me coming out, that Cleveland made such big waves and was looking like the smartest team on the first day that all the haters tried to find any negative news to burst our happiness balloon. They dropped two old stories at the exact moment that we all got excited. That happened for a reason. The media just sucks! They aren't pleased with themselves unless they have more news of the terrible Cleveland curse. We need to ignore the news, stop responding to it and trust the leaders of the team to make the right moves going forward.
It's absurd how much traction this nonsense is getting.
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For all you Browns fans that have children (that are at the appropriate age), this is a perfect time to show them how drugs can ruin your life.
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Well Farmer and Haslam knew for about a week...glad they stuck to their draft plan and didn't variate for a knee jerk reaction to the JERK.
I totally agree with this.
But on the business side of things, after a bazillion season tickets were sold post-Manziel draft, I am seeing a LOT of people angry w/ Haslam. I see people calling it shady that he already knew about Gordon and making Pilot/Flying J fiasco comparisons . . .
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But on the business side of things, after a bazillion season tickets were sold post-Manziel draft, I am seeing a LOT of people angry w/ Haslam. I see people calling it shady that he already knew about Gordon and making Pilot/Flying J fiasco comparisons . . .
Does not matter when Haslam knew. Him or anybody else would not be allowed to say anything. In fact the NFL would throw the book at the Browns if they did. So I don't see the point in anybody being upset with JH or RF.
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I totally agree with this.
But on the business side of things, after a bazillion season tickets were sold post-Manziel draft, I am seeing a LOT of people angry w/ Haslam. I see people calling it shady that he already knew about Gordon and making Pilot/Flying J fiasco comparisons . . .
Really? We all knew Gordon was on his third strike. We all knew he'd probably toke up again. We all hoped he wouldn't, but he did. The FO was prepared and stuck with their plan anyway. Shows they are on the same page. Although I do wish they had notified the coaching staff on this.
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I'm just speculating. I don't see the point in buying season tickets just because of Johnny Rag-Doll either, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if people got mad at Haslam . . .
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This timing question is killing me, so I will attempt to answer my own question. This infraction happened a while ago, and the NFL wanted due process to run it's course. The NFL was prepared to hand down its punishment, after the draft. The Browns mad so much noise in the first round, that the NFL had to save face, nip this in the bud, and lay down sanctions now.
The NFL hasn't announced anything.
Reporters broke the story, not an NFL announcement.
I don't understand what's troubling or fishy about it.
And the NFL isn't going to announce it during the draft. This is their spectacle ...... that they moved to May to make even bigger ...... they don't want an ugly story overshadowing the draft.
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It almost reminds me of last year, as our RB [position went from strength to "who do we have left that can carry the ball?"
Our RB position last year was never a position of strength.
Richardson sucks. McGahee is just too old and worn out. Ogbonnaya can do somethings if he can hold onto the ball. Fumbling problems were his downfall, but being put in as our fullback? That was a joke.
Maybe with Dion Lewis back (when is he due back?), they'll have a bit more depth.
In camp we had Dion lewis, who was to team with Trent Richardson to build on a solid rookie year. We had Montario Hardesty and the guy who was with the Packers in the past, whose name escapes me now. We also had Obi.
Yeah, we had RB depth in the preseason .... until we didn't anymore.
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I cannot tell you how ticked I am right now. If this proves to be true, I say this year doesn't go against his contract. Meaning if he were to be a UFA next year, now he's not. He owes us a year!
I wanna know who it was in this mans life growing up that didn't spank his ass when he needed it so he would have the character he's lacking to say no to the things he keeps getting sucked into!
What a waste of talent!
His contract is suspended for the year if he is.
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I have to laugh at all of those who are acting like it's "one player". It's not. It's two. both our first and second WR. One due to weed and one due to a broken arm that is actually a re-brake. So how can we even depend on that arm moving forward?
Yet people wish to applaud a FO that ignores that?
People will find any excuse to make up things to try to rationalize this.
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He ran the full gauntlet today. Did First Take, Sports Center, Highly Questionable and another show I think. Kinda disgusted that neither the Browns or ESPN told him what's up before they paraded him out there like that.
Wow. You are blaming everyone but Gordon. Make no mistake. It's Gordon who failed multiple tests and got kicked out of two universities, was suspended for two games after one year in the pros, and is now facing at least a one-year suspension after his second year. He is to blame. No one else.
The guy is selfish. It's all about him and not his teammates. That's why I always said never count on a druggie.
Calm down there, buddy. I didn't know Gordon was informed about this 2 weeks ago when I made that post.
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maybe they think it wont be year long suspension?
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maybe they think it wont be year long suspension?
didn't this happen to blackman? he had a 8 week suspension?
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Blackmon had a four game suspension, and then an indefinite ban. He can apply for reinstatement after this season.
As far as indefinite drugs bans, go, there's Blackmon, Tanard Jackson (twice), and Brandon Browner.
Browner got his reduced to 4 games, but that was due to the fact that the suspension came about because he skipped NFL drug tests while playing in the CFL.
Rosenhaus is going to have to seek out some breach of protocol in the testing to win an appeal, IMO. Richard Sherman's people did it, so it's possible, but unlikely.
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Question for those "in the know"................
Gordon is/was to be a Free Agent in 2016.
"WHEN" he's thrown out of the league for at least a year does his FA year extend to 2017 or does the team lose out?
Just curious.
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You guys seriously crack me up. YES Josh Gordon got popped on a whiz quiz "again". So we should immediately cut him... blah blah blah How many of you smoke pot, or worse yet drink alcohol? I don't do either and haven't for a long time, but when I was young and dumb I did both often. So basically what you are all saying is that we should cut ties with (BY FAR) the most talented play maker on the team because he made yet another mistake and he is obviously just a junkie (for smoking pot he is a junkie?  )... How about we wait, we be patient, we let him go through the leagues substance abuse program, maybe even get him some help or a baby sitter... BUT SEND HIM PACKING???? You guys are all nuts. You don't give up on that kind of talent that fast, no way no how.
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I wouldn't think it would extend the contract unless there was specific language in the contract addressing it and Gordan signed and approved it.
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It's not about "just smoking pot" though.
It is about doing something in direct violation of the rules his employer has set forth for their employees.
I have a friend who used to smoke pot quite a bit. He managed to get a job with the USPS. They drug test regularly. His choice was pot, or a well paid job. He wisely chose the job. Gordon had the same choice, plus, football is supposedly something he really loves. How you blow up a highly paid job, that you really love, for a quick high is beyond me.
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Gordon is/was to be a Free Agent in 2016.
"WHEN" he's thrown out of the league for at least a year does his FA year extend to 2017 or does the team lose out?
Just curious.
I'm not sure, and IIRC, there have been some issues with players who were suspended for the year and their contract status.
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I heard Grossi say that the player is "frozen in time" during his suspension - his contract goes forward where it left off upon his reinstatement.
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I heard Grossi say that the player is "frozen in time" during his suspension - his contract goes forward where it left off upon his reinstatement.
I believe this is true - remember how players in contract disputes need to end their holdout before week 9 or something - so that they get an "earned season" in and don't have to stay under the same contract.
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How many of you smoke pot, or worse yet drink alcohol?
I do not care that Josh Gordon smokes weed. He can smoke weed everyday for all I care.
I do care about him getting popped repeatedly for failed drug tests in a lax system that's designed to look the other way. NFL rosters are littered with guys who smoke grass, but they're smart enough to work around the player-friendly drug policy.
That fact that Gordon can't, to the extent he has, tells me all I need to know.
I wouldn't cut him, but I wouldn't be upset if we did. I'd let him play the string as a mercenary, but his days are numbered in Cleveland if this suspension comes down.
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Not only that, but how many people here had to quit smoking weed when they got their current job?? When I was a young guy I smoked weed regular, but when I graduated college and had to get a "real" job I quit smoking it.
A ton of professions require routine drug testing, and if you want to work for them you have to quit smoking dope.....so Gordon or any of these other people aren't required to do anything other than most of us have to do anyway.
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He ran the full gauntlet today. Did First Take, Sports Center, Highly Questionable and another show I think. Kinda disgusted that neither the Browns or ESPN told him what's up before they paraded him out there like that.
Wow. You are blaming everyone but Gordon. Make no mistake. It's Gordon who failed multiple tests and got kicked out of two universities, was suspended for two games after one year in the pros, and is now facing at least a one-year suspension after his second year. He is to blame. No one else.
The guy is selfish. It's all about him and not his teammates. That's why I always said never count on a druggie.
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You guys seriously crack me up. YES Josh Gordon got popped on a whiz quiz "again". So we should immediately cut him... blah blah blah
How many of you smoke pot, or worse yet drink alcohol? I don't do either and haven't for a long time, but when I was young and dumb I did both often.
So basically what you are all saying is that we should cut ties with (BY FAR) the most talented play maker on the team because he made yet another mistake and he is obviously just a junkie (for smoking pot he is a junkie? )...
How about we wait, we be patient, we let him go through the leagues substance abuse program, maybe even get him some help or a baby sitter... BUT SEND HIM PACKING???? You guys are all nuts. You don't give up on that kind of talent that fast, no way no how.
Yeah, we should sign him to 100 million dollar extension 
I've said for years weed should be legal in the NFL. Union should have traded weed testing for HGH testing in the last contract. It's legal in 2 States and 20 with prescription..... However, Gordon KNEW he was one tiny little F-up away from a years suspension. He smoked up anyway. Why? Because he doesn't CARE one bit about football. So I'm not saying cut him because of some holier than thou attitude about smoking grass. I say we cut him because we can't COUNT on him. Can't count on him to care enough to stay out of trouble. Can't count on him to be there when we need him. So cut our losses and move on..... Let him do what he seems to want. Sit around a apark up.... live off his rookie contract.
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He ran the full gauntlet today. Did First Take, Sports Center, Highly Questionable and another show I think. Kinda disgusted that neither the Browns or ESPN told him what's up before they paraded him out there like that.
Wow. You are blaming everyone but Gordon. Make no mistake. It's Gordon who failed multiple tests and got kicked out of two universities, was suspended for two games after one year in the pros, and is now facing at least a one-year suspension after his second year. He is to blame. No one else.
The guy is selfish. It's all about him and not his teammates. That's why I always said never count on a druggie.
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This draft is so important to these guys that they can't let ANYTHING ruin/distract/take away from the draft. The team is always better than the Jackass. Always!
Scenario: Your daughter is getting married today and a family member just got busted for something. Where's your focus?
Can't fault the FO for anything here. Anything.
Let this sink in..... On 12-31-23 it be will 123123.
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Not only that, but how many people here had to quit smoking weed when they got their current job?? When I was a young guy I smoked weed regular, but when I graduated college and had to get a "real" job I quit smoking it.
A ton of professions require routine drug testing, and if you want to work for them you have to quit smoking dope.....so Gordon or any of these other people aren't required to do anything other than most of us have to do anyway.
Quit making excuses for this loser!!!
Exactly. I firmly believe weed should be legal. Like booze is. But at this time, it isn't and Gordon knew that. He also knew if he blew a doobie his football career was on the line..... he just didn't care. Cut ties with the guy and let him smoke all he wants.... He can hang with Ricky Williams
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Gordon came into the league with an injury history known as stupidity.
I am more than willing to wait a season and ride out his problems for as long as he has the potential to be the best in the league. If anything we are saving a fortune on his future contract.
We spent a 2nd rounder on the guy, same as Little, Massaquoi, Robiskie. We are only upset right now because the guy has some actual talent. At least when he gets back he'll still have that talent and we won't be trying to pray and cast voodoo spells to teach him to catch a football.
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You guys seriously crack me up. YES Josh Gordon got popped on a whiz quiz "again". So we should immediately cut him... blah blah blah
How many of you smoke pot, or worse yet drink alcohol? I don't do either and haven't for a long time, but when I was young and dumb I did both often.
So basically what you are all saying is that we should cut ties with (BY FAR) the most talented play maker on the team because he made yet another mistake and he is obviously just a junkie (for smoking pot he is a junkie? )...
How about we wait, we be patient, we let him go through the leagues substance abuse program, maybe even get him some help or a baby sitter... BUT SEND HIM PACKING???? You guys are all nuts. You don't give up on that kind of talent that fast, no way no how.
It's not a matter of whether we do the same or not because I would assume that most if not all of us can't gain millions of dollars and an NFL career if we quit.
It's the fact that he can't put down the bowl in exchange for 1 in a million type of lifestyle and career that many children and adults can only dream about. I think that is what enrages us.
I can have a beer or smoke weed (even though I don't) and it might not matter either way...but if I made the decision to keep smoking pot knowing damn well that I am giving up millions of dollars and a dream type of career it makes it extremely frustrating and angering to most of us posting on this board. At least I think I can speak on many of us on the board in that regard.
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There's no reason to cut him. He's not going to cost anything while banned, and in the unlikely event that he does have an NFL career following his ban, we'd still own his rights and potentially be able to recoup something at that point (whether it's his services as a player or something from a team who thinks they can keep a better lock on him).
I do find it funny when people get so melodramatic about "he's throwing his life away" and "he needs help". Dude smokes weed. Millions of people smoke weed daily and live perfectly normal, productive lives. I'm sure there are people on this board who meet that description. If he's throwing anything away, its not his life but his lifestyle. There's plenty of stuff he can do for a living, some lucrative and some not, and get high every day if that's what he wants to do. It'll probably be a bummer for him when he finds out that his celebrity "friends" don't want as much to do with him once he's not an NFL star, but sometimes you have to learn the hard way.
Really sucks for us as fans of the team he played for, because he was a hell of a talent, but he chose weed over football. His life, his decision.
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However, Gordon KNEW he was one tiny little F-up away from a years suspension. He smoked up anyway. Why? Because he doesn't CARE one bit about football.
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Rubin/Taylor/Bryant
Kruger/Dansby/Kirksey/Mingo (Sheard)
Haden/Whitner/Gibson/Gilbert
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Pot is NOT legal in any state, because it violates federal law, and federal law trumps state law. States say that they aren't going to prosecute for pot, but the Feds can still bust a pot operation, and prosecute under federal law, and the state can't do anything about it.
It is not legal anywhere in the US, Some states have just chosen to not prosecute those who violate certain federal laws.
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I do find it funny when people get so melodramatic about "he's throwing his life away" and "he needs help". Dude smokes weed. Millions of people smoke weed daily and live perfectly normal, productive lives
I smoke weed regularly. Not daily, but 3-5 times a week.
But if I lost 6-7 figures and my job because I couldn't stop smoking it for short intervals during the year, I would probably consider that a waste of my life and a problem that needs help.
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Haden/Whitner/Gibson/Gilbert
I'm not sold on Gipson. We also don't have a clue as to what we have with McFadden and Slaughter. Who knows, we just might find lightning in a bottle with one of those two.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir
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I do find it funny when people get so melodramatic about "he's throwing his life away" and "he needs help". Dude smokes weed. Millions of people smoke weed daily and live perfectly normal, productive lives
I smoke weed regularly. Not daily, but 3-5 times a week.
But if I lost 6-7 figures and my job because I couldn't stop smoking it for short intervals during the year, I would probably consider that a waste of my life and a problem that needs help.
Short intervals throughout the year. He was busted early last winter.... At what part of the year are you speaking about that he can smoke.... You smoking regularly as you speak of, could you quit for 15 yrs. How many of you judges on this board drink and drive....well let me JUDGE you now, if you get caught I hope they lock you away for life because you're a waste of oxygen!
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