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Now I am mad he couldn't put the team first but those saying cut him are crazy. His talent is tops in the NFL and I would never just cut or even trade that cause his talent is hard to replace
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If I had a lucrative job paying me a lot of money and had my team, fans and family counting on me to refrain from doing those things, I most certainly wouldn't do them. He was given his 2nd chances and deserves to be judged.
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I do find it funny when people get so melodramatic about "he's throwing his life away" and "he needs help". Dude smokes weed. Millions of people smoke weed daily and live perfectly normal, productive lives
I smoke weed regularly. Not daily, but 3-5 times a week.
But if I lost 6-7 figures and my job because I couldn't stop smoking it for short intervals during the year, I would probably consider that a waste of my life and a problem that needs help.
A waste of your potential? Maybe. But a waste of your life? I can't agree, unless you consider your own life to be a waste. I suspect that you don't. The fact that he can't cut it in the NFL doesn't preclude him from having a perfectly comfortable life doing something else. If his weed habit was interfering with his life on a base level, it'd be a different story. However, it doesn't appear that it is.
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If his weed habit was interfering with his life on a base level, it'd be a different story. However, it doesn't appear that it is.
He went from the cusp of a eight-figure contract to lucky if he can land a minimum deal.
What else is he going to do for a living? Write a novel? Work for a think tank?
Gordon isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, and I'd be willing to bet that he already owes more than he's made.
I don't think money and career are everything, but they're a part of life's base level, IMO.
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I do find it funny when people get so melodramatic about "he's throwing his life away" and "he needs help". Dude smokes weed. Millions of people smoke weed daily and live perfectly normal, productive lives
I smoke weed regularly. Not daily, but 3-5 times a week.
But if I lost 6-7 figures and my job because I couldn't stop smoking it for short intervals during the year, I would probably consider that a waste of my life and a problem that needs help.
Short intervals throughout the year. He was busted early last winter.... At what part of the year are you speaking about that he can smoke.... You smoking regularly as you speak of, could you quit for 15 yrs. How many of you judges on this board drink and drive....well let me JUDGE you now, if you get caught I hope they lock you away for life because you're a waste of oxygen!
i could quit anything for that amount of money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hell if they tell me i cant wear underwear or boxers or anything under my pants for the next 5 years thats fine with me!! making millions to do it??? hell yeah........plain and simple...Gordan is a jerk.....he got a couple of mill now he doesnt care what happens...all he cares about is laying arond getting high and partying......
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I don't know what he'll do now, and I don't really care what he does. But I'm not going to assume that the sole productive thing that he's capable of doing in his life is catching footballs.
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•Drew Rousenhous is already disputing the story
It's like I said, I'm skeptical.
It's a top story on ESPN by a guy that's been around for a while... 2 different sources. Sure it could be a false story but I don't think so.
and again we never Drafted a WR in the 4th so I'm being Optimistic until I hear otherwise. They don't seem too concerned!
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I do find it funny when people get so melodramatic about "he's throwing his life away" and "he needs help". Dude smokes weed. Millions of people smoke weed daily and live perfectly normal, productive lives
I smoke weed regularly. Not daily, but 3-5 times a week.
But if I lost 6-7 figures and my job because I couldn't stop smoking it for short intervals during the year, I would probably consider that a waste of my life and a problem that needs help.
Short intervals throughout the year. He was busted early last winter.... At what part of the year are you speaking about that he can smoke.... You smoking regularly as you speak of, could you quit for 15 yrs. How many of you judges on this board drink and drive....well let me JUDGE you now, if you get caught I hope they lock you away for life because you're a waste of oxygen!
i could quit anything for that amount of money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hell if they tell me i cant wear underwear or boxers or anything under my pants for the next 5 years thats fine with me!! making millions to do it??? hell yeah........plain and simple...Gordan is a jerk.....he got a couple of mill now he doesnt care what happens...all he cares about is laying arond getting high and partying......
as could I but the comment I was responding to was the fact he said he (PDR) smoked regular but could quit for short periods throughout the year.
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Short intervals throughout the year. He was busted early last winter.... At what part of the year are you speaking about that he can smoke.... You smoking regularly as you speak of, could you quit for 15 yrs. How many of you judges on this board drink and drive....well let me JUDGE you now, if you get caught I hope they lock you away for life because you're a waste of oxygen!
OK? That was pretty bizarre, but as far as to what I was speaking of in terms of when he can smoke, the NFL's random drug testing isn't all that 'random'. Players are aware of their windows, and smoke when they can.
It's not like you have to quit for the duration of your career (though in his case, that might've been a good idea).
Gordon's recklessness bothers me more than his drug use. It shows he has a ten cent head and doesn't care about others who rely on him.
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And Haslam knew it but still traded down and passed on the top WR's? WTF
Good Gosh....just quit. Farmer conducted the draft, and I am 100% glad he stuck to his board and didn't allow the selfish act of a selfish player to change the teams plans.
I am sure the Browns were aware of this several weeks ago. Good for them, they stuck to the plan.
Some of you need to quit your whining and crying.
Not whining and crying, simply questioning a strategy that doesn't take advantage of the fact that you have the 4th pick in the draft and also have the best WR prospect staring you in the face. Being able to adjust is just as important as being able to put together and stick to a strategy. Taking Watkins at 4 isn't considered a reach. It's value at the 4 position that also now becomes a huge position of need.
People on this board aren't the only ones questioning the first round now that the facts are out that they knew two weeks ago that he is facing an indefinite suspension. For the rest of the people finding out the news, WR easily becomes the most glaring hole on this team and we have every right to question the move or lack there of.
If Farmer's answer is that he stuck to his board, legitimate answer. Doesn't mean we have to like it or agree with it. JMHO.
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If I had a lucrative job paying me a lot of money and had my team, fans and family counting on me to refrain from doing those things, I most certainly wouldn't do them. He was given his 2nd chances and deserves to be judged.
I believe your argument to be logically invalid. Making X amount of money and having X amount of people counting on you has NOTHING to do with how he should be judged. He should be judged for his actions alone and how those actions and their punishments compare to all other actions and their respective punishments.
Now, let's take a look at HIS actions in comparison to scientific opinion and the actions of the league itself. Then, we can come to a logical conclusion.
We could just stop here, light our torches and burn him now so we all feel better about making the world a better place.
Or... We could keep thinking...I know it's tough... (following the lowest common denominator is so easy and comforting though)
I honestly think this whole thing is a BAD joke and HISTORY will be the judge. While I'd agree that Josh Gordon hasn't made all the right decisions, he is just a kid and the NFL is a league where the players are accountable for the wrong things and the owners are accountable for nothing.
I think this shows a kind of disgusting side of humanity and the hypocrisy of the NFL as an organization. People love watching others fail, it is our greatest addiction as humans. (Please take a moment and google schadenfreude).
Let's ignore the fact that we all love a game that irreparably damages the brains of the players involved. Let's hang the players who have a blunt so Roger Goodell can deflect from the REAL consequences of the game and the real issues that need to be on the table.
Let's ignore the fact that marijuana can help individuals through all sorts of medical ailments, including PTSD. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-approves-marijuana-study-for-treating-ptsd-in-veterans/)
Let's take a moment to let this all sink in... Or we can just continue to bury our heads in the sand. After all, others are doing that right? If most people are doing it, it must be correct.
Let's be clear here, he is not going out and raping girls at clubs or anything like that (see: Ben Roethlisberger).
All the medical research coming out on marijuana that shows its benefits in multiple contexts. The fact that the NFL has this policy on marijuana while knowing the scientific truth about this substance only highlights their ignorance.
Let's also ignore all the research that shows the destructiveness of alcohol as BUD LIGHT is stamped in huge bold letters on the draft stage as we speak.
Then again, we all could just have another beer, judge all those people who smoke the evil devil marijuana and cheer loud enough to drown out any critical thought so we can continue to watch our most gifted athletes to give each other brain damage.
Then, once they are all out of the league, let us judge them once more when they make questionable decisions that are a direct result of their injuries.
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Then again, we all could just have another beer, judge all those people who smoke the evil devil marijuana and cheer loud enough to drown out any critical thought so we can continue to watch our most gifted athletes to give each other brain damage.
I don't see many people demonizing marijuana or getting out the pitchforks because Gordon smokes weed. That's kind of a straw man.
This isn't about marijuana. Nor is it about the NFL's drug policy.
It's about Josh Gordon being told over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over that if he fails a drug test in a lax system that's designed to look the other way, then he won't play, won't get paid, and let his team down.
There are a myriad of ways to beat urine tests. Gordon can smoke weed everyday for all I care. Plenty of guys in the NFL do it. They just don't get caught.
I couldn't care less about his drug use. Just do it responsibly. It's not hard.
You think he might've learned that the ninth or tenth time around.
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but who are any of us to judge him for what he has done? Nobody in this group has never done wrong. nobody in this group is perfect. lets remember Josh Gordon is a kid, he is what 22 or 23 how many of you had your acts together at that age? I know i didnt.
instead of tearing him apart, why not pray he finds the help he obviously needs in life. he busted his hump for our team last year. We dont know any facts about this case other than what is being reported. I will wait for it to become official before i allow it to upset me. we have and are continuing to have a great draft, let that excitment flow.
Josh Gordon could have very well got injured and been out for the season. one player doesnt make the team, the team makes the team. Next guy up if/when he gets suspended. what is bashing a guy on a message board going to do? are you going to puff your chest out and walk around saying "i really told those guys" its pathetic folks.
until we as a fanbase stop bitching about every little thing that happens around here we are going to be stuck in the same funk we have been stuck in for the last how many years? Farmer has a plan, his FA signings and this draft proves he has a plan. lets see what becomes of it before we let negativity sit in.
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Not only that, but how many people here had to quit smoking weed when they got their current job?? When I was a young guy I smoked weed regular, but when I graduated college and had to get a "real" job I quit smoking it.
A ton of professions require routine drug testing, and if you want to work for them you have to quit smoking dope.....so Gordon or any of these other people aren't required to do anything other than most of us have to do anyway.
Quit making excuses for this loser!!!
Exactly. I firmly believe weed should be legal. Like booze is. But at this time, it isn't and Gordon knew that. He also knew if he blew a doobie his football career was on the line..... he just didn't care. Cut ties with the guy and let him smoke all he wants.... He can hang with Ricky Williams 
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Nobody in this group has never done wrong. nobody in this group is perfect. lets remember Josh Gordon is a kid, he is what 22 or 23 how many of you had your acts together at that age? I know i didnt.
It's a pretty myopic argument to boil it down to 'who's perfect?' or 'who didn't make mistakes when they were young?'
A more fitting question would be 'how many in this group failed a minimum of five drug tests, resulting in dismissal from three different programs/employers?'
Hands? Anyone?
There's leeway in compassion for addiction, but I'm not going to pat the guy on the head and tell him it's OK.
He's a reckless moron who clearly learns nothing from his mistakes.
That's the key to mistakes - you learn from them.
He doesn't seem to have, and he's on his what? Fourth? Fifth chance?
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It's about Josh Gordon being told over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over that if he fails a drug test in a lax system that's designed to look the other way, then he won't play, won't get paid, and let his team down.
Oh I get that and agree that this is what it is about with the way the system currently works. My point is that it shouldn't be that way. I kind of see these policies as tactics to deflect from larger issues that the NFL is facing.
Well, that and to cater to the majority opinion (ignorance) of the average viewer. Everything boils down to about perception and profit, not truth.
What if we learn in the future that his inability to make these "right" life decisions are tied to concussions he has had in game? (see: Bernie Kosar)
EDIT: And in regards to the straw man argument, I agree with you. I was intentionally highlighting the extreme way to view the situation.
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Gordon is not a kid. He is a 23 year old young man, with a million dollar job. He has fame and adoration as part of that job, but he also has rules. The players union and owners agreed on the pot testing rules, and players coming into the league agree to it by virtue of signing a contract. These are no longer kids. They are not children. They are young men, with a responsibility to themselves, their families, their teams and teammates, and to the fans who support them and ultimately pay their salaries. When a player manages to get himself kicked out of the league over pot, it is like that player giving all of those people who supported him in one way or another, and those who depended upon him, the big middle finger.
It doesn't matter what your individual view on pot is. It is illegal under federal law. That has never changed, It is illegal for players in the NFL to use pot. If a player gets caught, there are penalties, up to and including a player losing his job for good. people always tell me that pot isn't addictive, so that means that Gordon just didn't give a damn about you. me, the rest of the fans, his team, his job, his contract, or anything else except getting high for some reason.
That's really sad. he might never play again. Imagine that.In fact, neither he and Justin Blackmon might never play again. What a shame, and what a waste of talent, all because they felt that they needed to go get high.
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The only place addiction and weed go together is mental addiction. Just like people can develop with food. There is no physical addiction with weed.
It's not like some prescription drugs, cocaine or heroin. Or even alcohol at certain levels. There are no withdraws.
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Nobody in this group has never done wrong. nobody in this group is perfect. lets remember Josh Gordon is a kid, he is what 22 or 23 how many of you had your acts together at that age? I know i didnt.
It's a pretty myopic argument to boil it down to 'who's perfect?' or 'who didn't make mistakes when they were young?'
A more fitting question would be 'how many in this group failed a minimum of five drug tests, resulting in dismissal from three different programs/employers?'
Hands? Anyone?
There's leeway in compassion for addiction, but I'm not going to pat the guy on the head and tell him it's OK.
He's a reckless moron who clearly learns nothing from his mistakes.
That's the key to mistakes - you learn from them.
He doesn't seem to have, and he's on his what? Fourth? Fifth chance?
Agreed...This guy is just going to keep screwing up,and has the history to prove it.Not sure if the Browns will keep him,as this is a every year deal now.Damn shame,when he has soo much talent,to see him throw it all away.
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Short intervals throughout the year. He was busted early last winter.... At what part of the year are you speaking about that he can smoke.... You smoking regularly as you speak of, could you quit for 15 yrs. How many of you judges on this board drink and drive....well let me JUDGE you now, if you get caught I hope they lock you away for life because you're a waste of oxygen!
OK? That was pretty bizarre, but as far as to what I was speaking of in terms of when he can smoke, the NFL's random drug testing isn't all that 'random'. Players are aware of their windows, and smoke when they can.
It's not like you have to quit for the duration of your career (though in his case, that might've been a good idea).
Gordon's recklessness bothers me more than his drug use. It shows he has a ten cent head and doesn't care about others who rely on him.
A player in Stage Three essentially does have to quit smoking for the duration of his career, because he can be drug tested as frequently as every three days if the league wants to.
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The only place addiction and weed go together is mental addiction. Just like people can develop with food. There is no physical addiction with weed.
It's not like some prescription drugs, cocaine or heroin. Or even alcohol at certain levels. There are no withdraws.
Well, Gordon's mental addiction is costing him his livelihood.
If I were him, I'd deny everything until the suspension is handed down and they take a crack at an appeal.
If and when it comes down, I would immediately check myself into a 28-day facility. After that, sign with a Canadian team and comply to the T with the ongoing tests the NFL requires for eventual reinstatement. From there, say the right things and cross your fingers.
I don't know why I bothered typing that, though...at this point, I don't see much reason to believe he has any semblance of common sense.
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Nobody in this group has never done wrong. nobody in this group is perfect. lets remember Josh Gordon is a kid, he is what 22 or 23 how many of you had your acts together at that age? I know i didnt.
It's a pretty myopic argument to boil it down to 'who's perfect?' or 'who didn't make mistakes when they were young?'
A more fitting question would be 'how many in this group failed a minimum of five drug tests, resulting in dismissal from three different programs/employers?'
Hands? Anyone?
There's leeway in compassion for addiction, but I'm not going to pat the guy on the head and tell him it's OK.
He's a reckless moron who clearly learns nothing from his mistakes.
That's the key to mistakes - you learn from them.
He doesn't seem to have, and he's on his what? Fourth? Fifth chance?
I think we all understand that he hasn't made the best choices nor am I necessary defending him for the choices that he has made.
What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
I'm not the least bit worried about that. The league won't be testing for grass within the next five years.
Until then...don't fail three drug tests in two years.
Lots of other players seem entirely capable of smoking marijuana and not getting caught.
Davone Bess managed to smoke ganja and pass his tests...and he's a lunatic.
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Quit or find a new league/profession.
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The Browns signed him as a risk and didn't trade him when they had the chance..also a risk..but I want to know who leaked this stuff out last night?
From within the Browns doesn't make sense, although it could happen..but someone on the outs who had ties and was here when the test was taken could have...
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The Browns signed him as a risk and didn't trade him when they had the chance..also a risk..but I want to know who leaked this stuff out last night?
From within the Browns doesn't make sense, although it could happen..but someone on the outs who had ties and was here when the test was taken could have...
Does it really matter?
Maybe it was somebody at the testing lab who wanted his or her team to draft Johnny Football.
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
But when you have committed the crime multiple times in the past, and you have been duly warned, and you know exactly what the punishment and consequences will be for yet another offense, and then you go ahead and do it anyway......you deserve every bit of wrath thrown your way.
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I was using this argument and statistics to say it was as likely to be struck by lightning than to get a year suspension for drugs in the NFL.
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The Browns signed him as a risk and didn't trade him when they had the chance..also a risk..but I want to know who leaked this stuff out last night?
From within the Browns doesn't make sense, although it could happen..but someone on the outs who had ties and was here in Feburary could have..
Oh the media probably knew that he had failed the test before the draft. I don't know for sure but that would be my guess. They didn't report on it because they knew that releasing the story at the right time would cause jussst the right firestorm.
Q: When can we release this story to generate the most BUZZ?
A: Right after the Browns draft Johnny Manziel and day 1 ends.
Step 1: Release story at optimal time
Step 2: Create media firestorm
Step 3: Profit.
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
You can't change the larger issue, and it isn't anything different than other areas of employment.
If a truck driver gets a DUI one Saturday night, he/she losses their job and will have to look for a new line of work.
It isn't about fair/unfair.....those are the conditions of employment. He knows the score.
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
But when you have committed the crime multiple times in the past, and you have been duly warned, and you know exactly what the punishment and consequences will be for yet another offense, and then you go ahead and do it anyway......you deserve every bit of wrath thrown your way.
No, you don't. Not if the punishment and consequences inherently have little to no logical foundation other than to "maintain the integrity of the league'.
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Does it matter? it doesn't change the results..but the timing is odd.
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
But when you have committed the crime multiple times in the past, and you have been duly warned, and you know exactly what the punishment and consequences will be for yet another offense, and then you go ahead and do it anyway......you deserve every bit of wrath thrown your way.
Agreed. If anybody thinks Gordon is getting the short end of the stick, they need their head examined. Simply put, he knew the consequences and did it anyway. I don't feel sorry for the dude, I feel sorry for the team that has to share the locker room with him.
Talk about cutting him is crazy too. If I'm GM, I hold onto him knowing that he's a talented WR but build to move on when he is absent. It is not costing the team anything to have him during the suspension. Now not drafting a WR so far is kind of not fixing that hole; but I won't judge Farmer yet. So far the players he has brought in make sense for the system. In the long run, the Browns will look to have an excellent defense that will win us some games and possibly a run game.
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
But when you have committed the crime multiple times in the past, and you have been duly warned, and you know exactly what the punishment and consequences will be for yet another offense, and then you go ahead and do it anyway......you deserve every bit of wrath thrown your way.
No, you don't. Not if the punishment and consequences inherently have little to no logical foundation other than to "maintain the integrity of the league'.
It's not logical to drive the speed limit on the highway at night when I'm the only one on the road, but I do it anyway. I know if I get caught speeding, I'll have to pay a fine, court costs, and an increase in my insurance. You have to stand for what is right simply because it is legally right, regardless of justification. Just because you feel there is not justification for making pot illegal doesn't mean that you are exempt from the consequences of your actions when you get caught. That's just dumb thinking.
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
But when you have committed the crime multiple times in the past, and you have been duly warned, and you know exactly what the punishment and consequences will be for yet another offense, and then you go ahead and do it anyway......you deserve every bit of wrath thrown your way.
No, you don't. Not if the punishment and consequences inherently have little to no logical foundation other than to "maintain the integrity of the league'.
I have no idea where you're coming from. If I (as well as millions of others) test positive for marijuana just once, I lose my job. What is wrong with wanting to maintain the integrity of the league?
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Agreed. If anybody thinks Gordon is getting the short end of the stick, they need their head examined.
I tend to think you need your head examined if you (1) Believe that the NFL implements punishments that don't fit the violations committed. And (2) subsequently defend the NFL for enforcing those policies by saying "whlep those are their policies".
Well, I shouldn't say that such an individual would need their head examined but that perhaps their understanding and perception of the situation is clouded by a lesser amount of cortical gyrification in the brain.
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Why couldn't someone just fix him a margarita?
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What I am trying to say is that the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime. THAT is the larger issue here and the more important one.
But when you have committed the crime multiple times in the past, and you have been duly warned, and you know exactly what the punishment and consequences will be for yet another offense, and then you go ahead and do it anyway......you deserve every bit of wrath thrown your way.
No, you don't. Not if the punishment and consequences inherently have little to no logical foundation other than to "maintain the integrity of the league'.
I have no idea where you're coming from. If I (as well as millions of others) test positive for marijuana just once, I lose my job. What is wrong with wanting to maintain the integrity of the league?
I am saying that the NFL needs a change of policy. Perhaps HR departments across the county ALSO need a change of policy. If we don't talk about these things and do not approach these issues in this way we just end up doing these same things over and over again. And that doesn't benefit anyone.
Here is an example of a psychology experiment that acrticulates metaphorically what is happening here. http://i.snag.gy/kdu77.jpg
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Why couldn't someone just fix him a margarita?
He's trying to watch his carbs
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