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I love it....stick to the board....screw Josh.....I am not going to panick because he isn't a team player.
Absolutely agree. Stay true to the board. This guy is going to be great. Reports say Browns brass knew for 2 weeks about possible Gordon suspension.
I'm glad Farmer didn't panic and take a WR a la the panicked disaster pick that was Weeden. This will be a great pick for years to come.
We'll get a WR in the draft. Hell, the Seahawks just won a Super Bowl without a top flight WR.
Farmer and Pettine are impressing me more and more with each pick.
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He'll play guard. A badly needed position. I am so glad to see these guys get it right.
A wide receiver should be next to take Gordon's place. I wouldn't be surprised to see Farmer move back up into the 2nd to get one.
This is a good pick. Beefing up the interior line should be a top priority. Anybody remember having to take 4 plays to push the ball into the end zone from the one yard line? We'll get best WR available with the next pick. I'm not concerned
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I am willing to give this FO a chance to address all our needs before I cry the sky is falling.
They have a plan , showed last night they have the nuts to stick to it and again tonight.
If they knew of the Gordon crap then I am going to assume they have a plan for that as we'll
We needed OL help and got the best on the board ,
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Bitonio can play anywhere....he could very well be one of our guards. I like the pick.
Hopefully this shuts up people complaining how we didn't address the line in the offseason. They're sticking to their board regardless of the need that just popped up because of Gordon.
That's stupid though.
If my offense goes down in a plane crash, I'm taking offense in the draft, no matter what my board looks like.
Our WR corp just went down in a plane crash.
Man Lee would have been so damn good, even without Gordon. He could have been a big p[lay receiver for us, a #1 guy.  I value that far more than a freakin' Guard.
I completely disagree with your logic and I'll leave it at that.
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did nobody tell farmer about Gordon?
Even he will go All Pro, he will block at LG for an unblock-able QB antics and a non existing WR core
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Waste of a pick. We should have taken Lee, or even Hyde, before wasting a high pick on a Guard.
No wonder we seem to be eternally stuck in a morass of torment and misery. This draft should have been about adding a QB, DBs, and weapons. I hate this pick. Hate it.
See man....I totally disagree with that.
You find out Gordon smokes some weed and you blow up our board in a knee jerk.
Stick to the board....pretend Gordon blows out a knee in the next mini camp.
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I don't think that G was a big need. Further, as DJ said, we drafted a QB who doesn't maintain his blocking, and who runs anywhere and everywhere. That is one of his strengths. If this isn't a move to protect the QB, then it is strictly for the run game, and in today's NFL, that is a low priority proposition. *Sigh* I don't like the pick, and nothing is going to change that. I don't think that it was smart to take a Guard, or tackle, there. Other teams develop their Guards, or at least one of them .... but not us. We'll just spend 1st and 2nd rounders almost everywhere. 
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We just drafted a guy that blocked for Kaepernick in college. He's perfect for Shanahan's ZBS. I actually can't think of a better O-Lineman to block for Manziel.
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Good Call Ballpeen. No time letting a bad decision dictate your draft. No reciever in the second round will measure up. It is best to get BPA.
Banner was the idiot trying to unload Gordon last year. I bet he is fist pumping his chest saying "look at me now!"
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Good pick, ballsy move by Farmer
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Yep..I remember several of us took a beating wanting Banner to unload Gordon for a 2nd rounder. The guy was a bad gamble by an FO who loved to take bad gambles and fixate on needs way too much. I hate that Josh is a moron, but it obviously doesn't suprise me.
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Cool.....but it was a need and we don't know who will be playing at QB this year. I like the pick. If nothing else, it shows we don't panic, which usually leads to bad choices. 
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You stick to your board. Farmer doesn't panic like guys in the past!
Awesome job!!!!!
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We just drafted a guy that blocked for Kaepernick in college. He's perfect for Shanahan's ZBS. I actually can't think of a better O-Lineman to block for Manziel.
Agree! You can't have enough quality OL. Regardless if this guy starts depth is needed everywhere. You grab best player available. There are still receivers on the board.
I think there is a MLB to be had in the next round. I also vision a low round CB or small school safety too.
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. We'll just spend 1st and 2nd rounders almost everywhere.
Please correct me if i'm wrong, but I the only high OL draft picks we currently have on the roster are Thomas and Swartz right?? Maybe my memory is fading but i don't remember drafting a Guard in the 1st two rounds recently...
Edit - I forgot about Mack... answered my own question
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We just drafted a guy that blocked for Kaepernick in college. He's perfect for Shanahan's ZBS. I actually can't think of a better O-Lineman to block for Manziel.
Agree! You can't have enough quality OL. Regardless if this guy starts depth is needed everywhere. You grab best player available. There are still receivers on the board.
I think there is a MLB to be had in the next round. I also vision a low round CB or small school safety too.
You can over-invest in the OL. Other teams develop their Guards. We have to draft them all high (and trade for a 3rd rounder in Greco) in order to put together an OL. If Schwartz is the Rt, and this new guy is the LG, then we will have 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and a third round pick on our OL. I don't know why we cannot develop guys at Guard like good teams do.
There goes another WR off the board.
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There are more than 2 rounds in the draft, and the WR pool is still very, very deep. Martavious Bryant is among one of the guys I'd love to get my hands on.
you had a good run Hank.
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There goes another WR off the board.
Yep, he can replace Gordon. Really? Starter? Fill the void? You underestimate talent in the NFL.
Negative...best teams year after year have strong DL and OL. Don't forget who is the future QB. You really want to start going cheap at OL?
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We have tried "developing" OG for years. Pinkston a 5th, Gilkey a 7th, countless marginal FAs. I guess I have missed all the 1st and 2nd OGs we have drafted.
I do know we have had so much success getting cant miss playmakers at WR in the 2nd. Johnson, Dropcutt, Morgan, Davis, Little all future HOFers. 
I would have understood/preferred or liked Lee at 35 but cant be upset with addressing a major need. Your OL is only as good as your weakest link. Great pick IMO.
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We have Greg Little as our #1. It don't GET better than that.  These guys say they want to run the ball. Well, they're going to have to. A LOT. So instead of taking some bench player WR in the 3rd they better find a backup for Tate. Or a linebacker. Because we're going to HAVE to play great defense with no scoring threats in the pass game. Play great defense, run the ball..... wait for nest season. Oh and one last thing. CUT Gordon. Take the cap hit this year so we can sign Haden next year......
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Penny, I agree somewhat. Come on we tried developing Gilkey? One Year? Bitonio can play multiple positions....good value. What you should be asking what happens to the QB when Joe Thomas gets hurt.
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I despise, loath, abhor, hate, and am repulsed by this pick.
What an idiotic pick. We don't need an OL .... so we take an OL.
I take back a lot of the good I said about Farmer. This was a stupid, wasted pick.
I'm so glad you never over react...LOL
My preference would have been to take a receiver with that pick. But either way, I wanted to walk away from today with Oline help. Hope we still get a receiver yet.
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I love it....stick to the board....screw Josh.....I am not going to panick because he isn't a team player.
We can't go into the draft concerned with Josh Gordon.
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We have had no threat of a running game for years. These guys saw that and made a move to help. Our gaurds suck. We have been trying to develop gaurds for years and what did we get.
This guy will be a big pick up, Our line will be stout, and if we can run the ball, the passing game will open up.
I do not believe that the running game is obsolete in the NFL. There is more passing yes, but if you can't run and are ot a threat to run, you get what we see every year. loading the box and our QB injured.
Great move, IMO. You might not like it, but to call it a wasted pick is garbage.
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Penny, I agree somewhat. Come on we tried developing Gilkey? One Year? Bitonio can play multiple positions....good value. What you should be asking what happens to the QB when Joe Thomas gets hurt.
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Go look at Lee's 2012 games. He was one of the best WR in college football. He had a bit of an off year in 2013, but he is a very, very talented kid. I would have grabbed him instead of a Guard. I think that this kid was the closest left on the board to being able to "replace" Josh Gordon.
I liked Woods last year too, though I was a bit alone on that one. I like Lee even more than I liked Woods. I think that he'll be a special talent. We'll see how he does in Jacksonville, with Bortles, this year.
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Penny, I agree somewhat. Come on we tried developing Gilkey? One Year? Bitonio can play multiple positions....good value. What you should be asking what happens to the QB when Joe Thomas gets hurt.
Yeah I know we have only had Gilkey for one year but if Farmer thought he would be an answer we wouldn't have taken Bitonio. My point wasn't to knock on Gilkey rather point out that "developing" OG has been our MO.
I may be misinterpreting your Thomas comment but I imagine the same thing happens to our QB that happens to any QB that losses a franchise LT. Someone shifts to LT and the whole OL play suffers. This pick only helps that scenario not hurts it.
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Exactly! Farmer and Co. aren't at fault for the H & H mistakes like Gordon.....screw him and build the team that they want. You aren't going to replace Gordon in this draft anyway.
Not today.....could have been a lot closer yesterday.....pick #4 would have been a good start.
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Exactly! Farmer and Co. aren't at fault for the H & H mistakes like Gordon.....screw him and build the team that they want. You aren't going to replace Gordon in this draft anyway.
Not today.....could have been a lot closer yesterday.....pick #4 would have been a good start.
You don't "replace" Josh Gordon with a 6' WR with mediocre ability.
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Seattle: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th
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It came out last night that Lee had some red flags at the Combine with his knee. I think Kiffin might have ran him into the ground last season.
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Go look at Lee's 2012 games. He was one of the best WR in college football. He had a bit of an off year in 2013, but he is a very, very talented kid. I would have grabbed him instead of a Guard. I think that this kid was the closest left on the board to being able to "replace" Josh Gordon.
I liked Woods last year too, though I was a bit alone on that one. I like Lee even more than I liked Woods. I think that he'll be a special talent. We'll see how he does in Jacksonville, with Bortles, this year.
But the guard is going to help us run the ball a LOT. And I'm cool with that. Long as Tate stays healthy. I see him getting 350 carries this year. And this makes who plays QB irrelevant. Doesn't really matter when he's handing off the rock every down. I love the idea of going old school.
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I've got a little behind on these picks. Has any RB come off the board yet?
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But the guard is going to help us run the ball a LOT. And I'm cool with that. Long as Tate stays healthy. I see him getting 350 carries this year. And this makes who plays QB irrelevant. Doesn't really matter when he's handing off the rock every down. I love the idea of going old school.
I like the idea of having anything that resembles a rushing attack. We still have Baker, Lewis and Obi on the roster and RB is deep this year. There are still guys we could take later that would be great 1-2 punch guys to Tate that can take over if/when Tate gets hurt.
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Penny, I agree somewhat. Come on we tried developing Gilkey? One Year? Bitonio can play multiple positions....good value. What you should be asking what happens to the QB when Joe Thomas gets hurt.
Yeah I know we have only had Gilkey for one year but if Farmer thought he would be an answer we wouldn't have taken Bitonio. My point wasn't to knock on Gilkey rather point out that "developing" OG has been our MO.
I may be misinterpreting your Thomas comment but I imagine the same thing happens to our QB that happens to any QB that losses a franchise LT. Someone shifts to LT and the whole OL play suffers. This pick only helps that scenario not hurts it.
Unless you're the Broncos, then you lose your LT, and you just plug in the next guy, and make the Super Bowl anyway.
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I for one am glad we picked o-line.
When i heard about gordon i figured we would be getting a wr.
The fact that we went oline shows that we are sticking to our board and not reaching for needs like we have always done.
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Penny, I agree somewhat. Come on we tried developing Gilkey? One Year? Bitonio can play multiple positions....good value. What you should be asking what happens to the QB when Joe Thomas gets hurt.
Yeah I know we have only had Gilkey for one year but if Farmer thought he would be an answer we wouldn't have taken Bitonio. My point wasn't to knock on Gilkey rather point out that "developing" OG has been our MO.
I may be misinterpreting your Thomas comment but I imagine the same thing happens to our QB that happens to any QB that losses a franchise LT. Someone shifts to LT and the whole OL play suffers. This pick only helps that scenario not hurts it.
Unless you're the Broncos, then you lose your LT, and you just plug in the next guy, and make the Super Bowl anyway.
And how did that OL play in the Superbowl?
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