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Disrespectful? Yes.
A back-handed put-down to the other guys? Sure.
Untrue? Probably not.
Arian Foster is a straight-up BEAST. He has gone up against Arian.... these other guys here are NOT Arian Foster. Let's just hope that these other guys show enough to make him feel like he has to work for his paycheck, otherwise we haven't got squat back there.
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Disrespectful? Yes.
A back-handed put-down to the other guys? Sure.
Untrue? Probably not.
Arian Foster is a straight-up BEAST. He has gone up against Arian.... these other guys here are NOT Arian Foster. Let's just hope that these other guys show enough to make him feel like he has to work for his paycheck, otherwise we haven't got squat back there.
Adrian Peterson is a beast. Foster is a good runner and there have been other great players on those teams. Peterson put the team on his back and carried them to the playoffs.
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And you lost. 
On one hand I can see where this might have been disrespectful, on the other hand he might just be acknowledging that he is comfortable battling for playing time and that since he's not battling one of the better backs in the league anymore, he expects to win.. which is how I would expect him to feel.
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I think he's just God awful with words and needs to think his answers out before answering.
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Ben Tate has been angry at least since draft day. He couldn't believe he didn't go in the first round. Cried, literally, about it. Called CJ Spilled "a little girl.". It was on ESPN as he was one of the guys they were following the year McCoy was on there.
I don't care as long as he plays well, but he's always been like that.
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The good news is, if his body doesn't cash in on his mouth n' he doesn't produce - then our contract with him is cheap and easy-to-move on from as' well. 
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Well we couldnt have asked for better motivation for these young backs. His comments are the type that would make you willing to sever a limb if it meant putting a foot in his ass.
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Truthfully if I was in his shoes I'd be hungry too. He was drafted to resurrect their run game and he got hurt before he could play. Foster steps in in his absence and never let go of the position. I don't think Tate would have ever been as good as an AP type but if healthy(KEYWORD) he is just as talented as Foster, personally I'd say more.
Then people blow up his ego all season about being this top RB in FA and making a ton of money only to be overlooked because of injuries. But when he's picked up by the Browns it's deemed one of the best moves of the whole NFL offseason. Then after the draft everyone jumps on the West train. He's PO'ed, maybe in a slightly self righteous manner, and I'm glad. If healthy he really is in the tier just below elite. I hope he has a great year and I don't expect much from West. He's solid in a lot aspects but I don't think he has the room to become anything more than a good backup.
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But he's one of the new regimes draft picks. How can he not be the best thing since sliced bread? How can anything but greatness be in his future? Surely you jest.
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Don't know why your always so bitter about this new FO. I think West will be a good RB. A lot more than just a back-up. Go Browns!
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Don't know why your always so bitter about this new FO. I think West will be a good RB. A lot more than just a back-up. Go Browns!
you did notice that his comments were in purple right? meaning, he was being sarcastic...
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Don't know why your always so bitter about this new FO. I think West will be a good RB. A lot more than just a back-up. Go Browns!
Bitter? Not even close. Wanting to see something before I believe it? Absolutely.
I see so many sold on a HC who has a short resume and no NFL HC experience. Can he be successful? Yes. Is it anywhere close to the slam dunk some seem to suggest? Not even close. We have a GM who has never been an NFL GM before. Dual rookies at their perspective positions.
They are saying all the right things. They have made some moves that I like. I have nothing negative to say about any of them. That is not how I felt about the previous FO however.
When it comes to Terrance West, he was most often rated the 5th or 6th best RB in this draft. In the grand scheme of things that means nothing. Yet for people to be so high on a RB of that status I do believe is quite pre mature.
If you actually did the math of draft picks between 90-100 and their success rate, you may better understand my reasoning. It's nothing against this FO or coaching staff. It's just basic math.
I want nothing but the best for this FO and coaching staff. We need some stability for a change. My sig says that best. We need continuity. Questioning whether this is the group that will accomplish this is another issue. I have no idea and neither do any of the others who post on this board. They like his attitude, what he says and his plan. So do I.
But I want to and need to see that plan executed to become a believer. There's more questions than answers as to whether that will be achieved as of this moment in time.
Just because I'm not sold on the fact that the 94th pick in the draft isn't a slam dunk starting RB for years to come for the Browns doesn't make me a bitter person. It simply means I'm hopeful, but not sold on it.
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I know thats why I said that. He doesn't like it when people try to feel good about the Team. If some feel West is the next coming of JB then Go Browns is how I feel about it. Hey, for me, there is no better players than the Browns, why would I root for someone else? Would you root against your kids if you thought that the other Team had better players? Or would you think that your kids were super stars and were going to mow 'em down? That's what makes us fans.
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Rooting for your team and fooling yourself into believing you have the best player at every position are two entirely different things.
I hope the kid turns out to be great myself. There's just no evidence in yet saying he will. You can feel any way you wish and so can I.
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I think you know I am a huge Farmer fan. I stuck my neck out about him while most people around here were saying WHO. I like the front office combo we have now BUT I still say we won't know how this will all play out for a few years. Only time will tell, just like every year when the draft rolls around and people either praise the players drafted as Gods, or complain that we drafted nothing but busts, none of us will know for a few years. For the life of me I just can't understand how others don't feel the same way 
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Their the best, because their ours. They'll always be the best until proven otherwise. If that makes me then so be it. We'll all just root our own way.
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LMAO........Not sure why you were so bitter about the previous FO.
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I've always said the first FO/HC thatwins here won't neccesarily be the best, but will just happen to be the lucky ones that were here when we finally found a QB... Heckert and Shumur could still be here if we had gotten Luck..
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Not sure if it's been said. West looks slow on tape.
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Not sure if it's been said. West looks slow on tape.
And that's against D2.
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And that's against D2.
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Not sure if it's been said. West looks slow on tape.
Who cares? If he runs well, doesn't fumble, and gets yards and touchdowns, I won't care what he looks like on tape.
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Who cares? If he runs well, doesn't fumble, and gets yards and touchdowns, I won't care what he looks like on tape.
Wow really man? The point is clearly that his looking slow on tape backs up opinion that he will not develop into an NFL level talent. You are acting like he's gotten 1500 yards 5 years in a row and people are bagging on him. I swear people act like their married to these players sometimes.
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Oh no! You acted as though one of our drafted rookies may end up not being a magical gift from God!?? How could you commit such sacrilege man!?? May the wrath of other posters be cast upon you..... 
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Who cares? If he runs well, doesn't fumble, and gets yards and touchdowns, I won't care what he looks like on tape.
Wow really man? The point is clearly that his looking slow on tape backs up opinion that he will not develop into an NFL level talent. You are acting like he's gotten 1500 yards 5 years in a row and people are bagging on him. I swear people act like their married to these players sometimes.
I am pretty sure we drafted him to be a power back. He don't need a ton of speed. He just needs to hit the hole with confidence and he will knock people out of his way for gain of 5-15 yards on a consistent basis in those tough yard situations. He is pretty tough to tackle from the video I have seen. Will be interesting if they use a two back system where him and tate are on the field at the same time and he lays out some wood to make a block for tate. That is something I want to see =) Or imagine them stacking the line to stop west and then dion catches a pass out of the backfield on the other side and is off like lightning!
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I don't know, that seemed to be a pretty nonchalant remark from anarchy...
Especially from anarchy.
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Who cares? If he runs well, doesn't fumble, and gets yards and touchdowns, I won't care what he looks like on tape.
Wow really man? The point is clearly that his looking slow on tape backs up opinion that he will not develop into an NFL level talent. You are acting like he's gotten 1500 yards 5 years in a row and people are bagging on him. I swear people act like their married to these players sometimes.
No, you're acting like he's already a failure in the NFL. I'm willing to give the man his due respect.
Trent Richardson 'looked good' on tape and it was the SEC, right? How'd that turn out for us?
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I don't know, that seemed to be a pretty nonchalant remark from anarchy...
Especially from anarchy.
Thanks Steve.
All I'm going to say is that anyone that can run for 2500 yards at any level of college play deserves some recognition for the feat. We'll see if he can do something in the NFL. Some say that he was running against Div II players. My retort to that was that he was also running behind a Div II offensive line.
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Who cares? If he runs well, doesn't fumble, and gets yards and touchdowns, I won't care what he looks like on tape.
Wow really man? The point is clearly that his looking slow on tape backs up opinion that he will not develop into an NFL level talent. You are acting like he's gotten 1500 yards 5 years in a row and people are bagging on him. I swear people act like their married to these players sometimes.
No, you're acting like he's already a failure in the NFL. I'm willing to give the man his due respect.
Trent Richardson 'looked good' on tape and it was the SEC, right? How'd that turn out for us?
What did I say again that even remotely approaches that kind of judgement? Ridiculous. I studied every RB in the class to the best of my ability. While I think he's a fit for the system due to his style of running his lack of burst is alarming considering he isn't nearly as powerful as his size would suggest. It was a safe pick at a high cost IMO.
This is a discussion of a man's skills. When I evaluate a player I have no rose-colored glasses as others do. If they had the chance to be a Brown they get the same attention. Unless he's in a game he will get the same microscope as anyone, regardless of team. You can respect that or not but don't throw out bull to further your opinion. If you choose to discuss a man's skill rather than why I should ra-ra with the rest of the cheer squad I'm game. Quite frankly I see west as nearly the exact opposite of Trent. He won't beat a man 1-1 or break the arm tackles inside but he'll make a right decision and stick to it. Feel free to ream me when hes an all pro but I don't think it'll happen. And yes that's different than saying he's a failure already.
P.S Another discussion that IMO needs evaluating....for a small school his production isn't as good as people say it is considering for most it's the end all of discussion. Crowell had very nearly the same TD/per rush and a half yard better YPC. But wait....other than his legal issues at age 18 Crowells only negative was that he didn't dominate the competition, correct? I find it troubling and worry that West's value has been inflated by people not doing their own research and only listening to "experts". Crowell didn't dominate the competition, yet West did without question despite Crowell, IMO, having a slight edge in production per touch?
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Who cares? If he runs well, doesn't fumble, and gets yards and touchdowns, I won't care what he looks like on tape.
Wow really man? The point is clearly that his looking slow on tape backs up opinion that he will not develop into an NFL level talent. You are acting like he's gotten 1500 yards 5 years in a row and people are bagging on him. I swear people act like their married to these players sometimes.
No, you're acting like he's already a failure in the NFL. I'm willing to give the man his due respect.
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What did I say again that even remotely approaches that kind of judgement? I studied every RB in the class to the best of my ability. While I think he's a fit for the system due to his style of running his lack of burst is alarming considering he isn't nearly as powerful as his size would suggest. It was a safe pick at a high cost IMO.
This is a discussion of a man's skills. When I evaluate a player I have no rose-colored glasses as others do. If they had the chance to be a Brown they get the same attention. Unless he's in a game he will get the same microscope as anyone, regardless of team. You can respect that or not but don't throw out bull to further your opinion. If you choose to discuss a man's skill rather than why I should ra-ra with the rest of the cheer squad I'm game. Quite frankly I see west as nearly the exact opposite of Trent. He won't beat a man 1-1 or break the arm tackles inside but he'll make a right decision and stick to it. Feel free to ream me when hes an all pro but I don't think it'll happen. And yes that's different than saying he's a failure already.
P.S Another discussion that IMO needs evaluating....for a small school his production isn't as good as people say it is considering for most it's the end all of discussion. Crowell had very nearly the same TD/per rush and a half yard better YPC. But wait....other than his legal issues at age 18 Crowells only negative was that he didn't dominate the competition, correct? I find it troubling and worry that West's value has been inflated by people not doing their own research and only listening to "experts". Crowell didn't dominate the competition, yet West did without question despite Crowell, IMO, having a slight edge in production per touch?
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Pretty good, actually. We briefly had a good football guy who got a first round pick for a reject.
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Who cares? If he runs well, doesn't fumble, and gets yards and touchdowns, I won't care what he looks like on tape.
Wow really man? The point is clearly that his looking slow on tape backs up opinion that he will not develop into an NFL level talent. You are acting like he's gotten 1500 yards 5 years in a row and people are bagging on him. I swear people act like their married to these players sometimes.
No, you're acting like he's already a failure in the NFL. I'm willing to give the man his due respect.
Trent Richardson 'looked good' on tape and it was the SEC, right? How'd that turn out for us?
What did I say again that even remotely approaches that kind of judgement? Ridiculous. I studied every RB in the class to the best of my ability. While I think he's a fit for the system due to his style of running his lack of burst is alarming considering he isn't nearly as powerful as his size would suggest. It was a safe pick at a high cost IMO.
This is a discussion of a man's skills. When I evaluate a player I have no rose-colored glasses as others do. If they had the chance to be a Brown they get the same attention. Unless he's in a game he will get the same microscope as anyone, regardless of team. You can respect that or not but don't throw out bull to further your opinion. If you choose to discuss a man's skill rather than why I should ra-ra with the rest of the cheer squad I'm game. Quite frankly I see west as nearly the exact opposite of Trent. He won't beat a man 1-1 or break the arm tackles inside but he'll make a right decision and stick to it. Feel free to ream me when hes an all pro but I don't think it'll happen. And yes that's different than saying he's a failure already.
P.S Another discussion that IMO needs evaluating....for a small school his production isn't as good as people say it is considering for most it's the end all of discussion. Crowell had very nearly the same TD/per rush and a half yard better YPC. But wait....other than his legal issues at age 18 Crowells only negative was that he didn't dominate the competition, correct? I find it troubling and worry that West's value has been inflated by people not doing their own research and only listening to "experts". Crowell didn't dominate the competition, yet West did without question despite Crowell, IMO, having a slight edge in production per touch?
I have absolutely no problems with Isaiah Crowell. I like him very much too. I thought it was a thread about Terrence West.
I am probably one of those that think we could do much worse than having Ben Tate, Terrence West and Isaiah Crowell in the backfield. In my estimation, each one of them is better than virtually any other RB that the Browns have had since the return.
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Pretty good, actually. We briefly had a good football guy who got a first round pick for a reject.
That had nothing to do with Trent Richardson other than he was the commodity that we traded away. That was a Joe Banner move though.
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I don't see the issue with his speed since he was drafted to be a one cut power back. I also think he tends to look slower than he is because of his bulk. I am not saying he has elite speed but I think he is faster than he looks and will be fine.
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I have absolutely no problems with Isaiah Crowell. I like him very much too. I thought it was a thread about Terrence West.
I am probably one of those that think we could do much worse than having Ben Tate, Terrence West and Isaiah Crowell in the backfield. In my estimation, each one of them is better than virtually any other RB that the Browns have had since the return.
I suppose I could simplify my concern to make more sense for you. Just because I compared West's production to another man doesn't immediately negate that the entire post is about West. I'm not even sure how you could think that.
I was not lobbying for one person. I am using features of two prospects to determine if those features are judged properly. The general consensus says West dominated a lesser competition and his large cumulative numbers are a major factor in projecting his value as a player in the NFL. You agree with this, no?
The general consensus also says Crowell did not dominate lesser competition and other than legal issues it was the only reason he was not drafted high.
When looking at those stats Crowell actually outperformed West by a small margin per touch. Yet West experts say his numbers were great and those same experts say Crowells were not. It doesn't add up. That is why West looking slow on tape is an issue to me. His numbers, that sell other people on him, mean nothing to me when he looks like he doesn't have the explosiveness to beat an NFL LB to a hole.
The tale will be can West perfect the mental aspect of his craft. He will have to to be a starter in this league IMO with average ability. He does fit the mold of Morris. I hope I'm wrong.
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Forums The Archives 2014 NFL Season NFL Draft 2014 Browns select Terrance West with
the 94th overall pick
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