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j/c I find this to be hilarious! "Johnny, we knew who you were when we drafted you. We knew about your persona, that you trademarked the 'Johnny Football" moniker. We knew you were Hollywood. Now? We expect you to change who you are. So we're making a statement to address it to the fan base. We aren't really happy with who you were when we drafted you, so now be somebody else" That's a classic! 
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It's funny that you call him Hollywood, yet the only one to act like a Diva in the NFL so far is your boy Bridgewater.
You are digging yourself a big hole here. If you aren't right and Johnny succeeds, you are gonna have a lot of egg on your face.
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and despite that, Clark didn't feel it necessary to ever draft an OL in the higher rounds. Butch only did for centers. But, hey that's only the first 6 drafts of our expansion-era and we had such a dominant OL as shown above.
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You are digging yourself a big hole here. If you aren't right and Johnny succeeds, you are gonna have a lot of egg on your face.
Everyone who has been on this board for any length of time has been wrong about certain players. It wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last for many, including myself.
And for the record, I hope I'm 100% wrong about Manziel. But that doesn't change my opinion that I don't believe that I am.
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Well what do you know...Jim Rome just went off on the Browns about this.First the Gordon crap,now this...s**t never ends. "This is CLE,a real hard hat kind of town.We don't like you or your attitude.Now pick up a clipboard and get to work!!"
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2014 NFL Draft: Catch-22: Did Teddy Bridgewater boycott Browns?
By Jeff Reynolds | NFLDraftScout.com
May 13, 2014 11:33 am ET
Did a year of dysfunction cost the Cleveland Browns their preferred quarterback in the 2014 NFL Draft?
Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, the 32nd overall pick last Thursday, was on the board when the Browns traded the 26th overall pick and a third-rounder to the Philadelphia Eagles for the 22nd pick, with the intent of drafting a quarterback to compete with current starter Brian Hoyer.
According to reports -- vehemently denied Monday by coach Mike Pettine -- the Browns were primed to select Bridgewater but at the last minute switched their choice to Texas A&M sophomore Johnny Manziel.
Bridgewater said Tuesday on the "Dan Patrick Show" that he informed agent Kennard McGuire that he did not want to play in Cleveland.
"I actually told my agent that's not the place where I wanted to be,” Bridgewater told Patrick Tuesday in the midst of several rounds of media interviews.
The Vikings expect Bridgewater to compete to start as a rookie. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner was one of few NFL personnel to emerge from Bridgewater's pro day workout in March with a review that labeled the throwing session anything but abysmal. Coach Mike Zimmer said Sunday the Vikings will start the best quarterback, and he "hopes it is" Bridgewater.
Matt Cassell re-signed with the team -- for two years, $10 million -- after ending the 2013 season as the Vikings' starter ahead of Christian Ponder.
Four months after surprisingly firing head coach Rob Chudzinski on the night of the regular-season ending loss, the Browns are battling to become relevant for the first time since re-entering the league in 1999. But with eight head coaches and 20 starting quarterbacks, that direction is doubtful for prospects such as Bridgewater.
Cleveland also imploded the front office one week before the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine in February, removing president and CEO Joe Banner and general manager Mike Lombardi, and pushing personnel executive Ray Farmer into the decision-making GM role for the first time. Banner and Lombardi hired Pettine -- Farmer was not even in the room for interviews -- and Cleveland acknowledged it first attempted to trade for San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh.
NFLDraftScout.com applauded Farmer's effort last week in the draft.
With only two winning seasons in Manziel's lifetime, owner Jimmy Haslam understands the pessimism but said the Browns got their guy this time around.
"(Manziel) is a guy who accounted for 93 touchdowns the last two years in a very tough conference (Southeastern)," Haslam said. "He was the highest-rated quarterback on our board."
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So telling your agent you would rather not play somewhere makes you a diva? Like that conversation doesn't happen a lot among players and agents. LOL Tell me honestly, if you had the option of "what you wanted", would you choose to play in a city that was on it's third HC and GM in less than three calendar years? That doesn't make you a diva. That simply means you have a firm grasp on the obvious. What rookie would choose to go to the least stable organization in the league? Not a very smart one. And hey, it's not like he pulled an Eli Manning.
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Yeah, I was a Teddy over Manziel guy, but saying that was not only classless but shows some me-first and/or insecurity. Either way, he would have been better off not commenting when asked about other teams. At least Manziel wanted to be here, even if it was ego-driven. Like Pit, I don't like JFF's chances in the NFL, but I will root for the guy unless he acts like a jerk. That is my biggest fear with him, he can become a locker room or even organizational divider. As polarizing as he was for fans and the scouting community, the same can happen with coaches, FO and players. We will find out soon enough. Either way, he will keep the Browns in the headlines for the next years 
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With Gordon being 99.9% history, who is Hoyer or little Johnny going to even be throwing the ball to?
Whoever is open.  WR's are so overated. Great QB's help create great WR's
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So telling your agent you would rather not play somewhere makes you a diva? Like that conversation doesn't happen a lot among players and agents. LOL
How many tell Dan Patrick about it on his nationally syndicated radio show?
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So telling your agent you would rather not play somewhere makes you a diva? Like that conversation doesn't happen a lot among players and agents. LOL
Tell me honestly, if you had the option of "what you wanted", would you choose to play in a city that was on it's third HC and GM in less than three calendar years?
That doesn't make you a diva. That simply means you have a firm grasp on the obvious. What rookie would choose to go to the least stable organization in the league?
Not a very smart one.
And hey, it's not like he pulled an Eli Manning.
Who cares. Bridgewater wasn't the first choice for the Brown's anyway. After hearing this I'm very happy we didn't pick Bridgewater. I don't want a player on my team who doesn't want to play here.
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Wohlabaugh was the best of the bunch. Lomas Brown was good but past his prime.
Lomas Brown went on to play for the Giant, starting 32 games over the following 3 seasons after leaving the Browns. He was their starting LT in the Super Bowl.
Orlando Brown played 3 more seasons for the Ravens after leaving the Browns. (after a few years off because of the eye injury) Wohlabaugh and Pyne were both quality OL. Not All Pros, but very competent starting OL. Even Scott Rehberg went on to play 4 more years for the Bengals, starting 14 games in 4 seasons.
That OL wasn't a top 10 OL, but it wasn't as bad as it was credited with being. Couch really had no pocket feel in that season. He really had a weird career. He was sacked 56 times as a rookie. He then was sacked only 10 times in 7 starts/games the next year. In his 3rd season, he started all 16 games, and again was sacked 50+ times (51)
Couch, obviously, had issues with his own protection. This is evident by the fact that there was a season where he and Holcomb each played.
Holcomb was sacked 21 times in 302 attempts. That's one sack every 15.38 drop backs.
Couch also played that year. He attempted 203 passes, and was sacked 19 times. That's one sack every 11.68 tims he dropped back.
Couch had a lot of disadvantages in his Browns career, but he really never did learn how to handle pressure from the pocket.
Lomas Brown was drafted in 1985 by the Lions,, When we got him, he was already 13 years into his career. Yes, he played for the Giants, they got their butts handed to them 34 to 7 when the Ravens ran rough over them.. The Giants Oline sucked and got kicked hard and often..
Orlando Brown, I hate to speak ill of the dead, but he played for the Browns, Ravens, Browns, was out of football for 2 years or so then back to the Ravens until 2006 when he was released. (spent a couple of years out of football to recoup from the eye injury he suffered at the hands of a Ref.
He was OK, but not terrific and by no means was he better than any starter we have on this team today..He was Just OK..
If Couch were fresh out of college today, I think he'd have done better than he did back then.
And before anyone says it, NO, I'm not saying that Couch would be the next big thing, but he'd of had a better chance at success.
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Preparing as though he is the starter is preparing and acting accordingly.
Thinking you're just going to walk in here and automatically be the top dawg is not.
Wonder if they got him carrying equipment and cleaning toilets too? "That'll teach that no good SOB little punk.No 1st rd backup QB,is going to try and steal headlines from me,I tell you!!! We'll show him who's boss around here!!"
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So telling your agent you would rather not play somewhere makes you a diva? Like that conversation doesn't happen a lot among players and agents. LOL
A lot of things are said between my wife and I that I wouldn't say on Dan Patrick's radio show... that's the diva, or classless, part of this.. the draft is over, we didn't draft him, why bring it up. Even if he was asked a specific question just say that you are happy where you are and you would have given it your all regardless of who drafted you and blahblahblah... I'm not a big fan of PCness but sometimes things should just go unsaid if saying them serves no purpose.
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Wonder if thM›Ôt him carrying ,Ëuipment anÝ cleaningãtilets too? "That'll teach that no good SOB little punk.No 1st rd backup QB,is going to try and steal headlines from me,I tell you!!! We'll show him who's boss around here!!"
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I would start Manziel. Give him every opportunity to prove himself, and give our FO every chance to evaluate him.
We have (2) 1st rounders in 2015. I don't want to go into that draft wondering if Manziel is our franchise QB or not. We need to know what he is, and whether we need to use those picks on another QB.
If he fails, at least one of those will picks will be top 10. Prime ammo for a QB. If he wins, we know we can use them elsewhere.
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Why start 0-3 before giving your franchise QB the nod, though? Yeah cause we all know Hoyer will only lose every game he starts...smh  sometimes I wonder...lol 
Hoyer will start...JM era will depend entirely on the success of Hoyer. We are over .500 it will be hard to replace him.
jmho - best case scenario for JM to start is last 3 games if we are out mathematically from the Playoffs...odds are he could get a start or two at the end of the ear.
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Well what do you know...Jim Rome just went off on the Browns about this.First the Gordon crap,now this...s**t never ends. "This is CLE,a real hard hat kind of town.We don't like you or your attitude.Now pick up a clipboard and get to work!!"
I didn't really care one way or another before, but if Rome hates it, then it is likely the correct strategy.
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Yeah cause we all know Hoyer will only lose every game he starts...smh sometimes I wonder...lol
Hoyer will start...JM era will depend entirely on the success of Hoyer. We are over .500 it will be hard to replace him.
jmho - best case scenario for JM to start is last 3 games if we are out mathematically from the Playoffs...odds are he could get a start or two at the end of the ear.
Nah, best case scenario for JM to start is for him to study up on the offense and go take the job from Hoyer during preseason. Best QB should start period and if JFF is that guy then, well, let's get the show on the road! Shanny's offense is going to be made for a guy like JFF so I think he has a solid chance. It'll depend on how much work JFF puts in to learning the offense and of course how Hoyer does coming off that major injury (given that Shanny's offense will probably expect a certain level of mobility from the QB).
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Not an easy task when and "IF" a vet gets it and will have success executing the play book and getting ALL on the same page in that execution. Very hard for a rookie to deal not only with himself but he has to help the rest get it.
jmho...sure I would love if JM is that good to win the position outright. If he does the kid is greater than anyone ever dreamed of...
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Hoyer coming off of knee surgery may be the starter heading into camp but the odds of camp ending with him at the top is between slim and none. when you start comparing the arms, the movement and jersey sells lol Hoyer doesnt have a chance but he can solidify himself a place on this roster for a long time by getting these kids ready. I worry when you dont have the 3rd string vet that is there just to mentor the young guy. Like Farve said, its not my job to teach rookies and that is even more true when you have a guy competing for that same spot.
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Well what do you know...Jim Rome just went off on the Browns about this.First the Gordon crap,now this...s**t never ends. "This is CLE,a real hard hat kind of town.We don't like you or your attitude.Now pick up a clipboard and get to work!!"
I didn't really care one way or another before, but if Rome hates it, then it is likely the correct strategy.
Yep,always good to be in the press for the negative,it's the Browns way.If Hoyer is their man,then why make trades to draft a backup QB with the 22nd overall pick? Why not use that on another area of the team?
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Rome is a clown. And, I say that with respect because he knows he is a clown and he has built and empire on it. He's incredibly smart and knows how to twist words to build up the furor which drives page clicks online (and people to listen to him on the radio/tv).
Anyway, I am surprised anyone cares about the quote. The same thing was said for pretty much every 1st round pick we have had. Brady Quinn, Braylon Edwards, etc. You are a backup, low man on the depth chart and will have the work your way up it during camp. You aren't in college anymore Toto.
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Why start 0-3 before giving your franchise QB the nod, though?
Yeah cause we all know Hoyer will only lose every game he starts...smh sometimes I wonder...lol
Hoyer will start...JM era will depend entirely on the success of Hoyer. We are over .500 it will be hard to replace him.
jmho - best case scenario for JM to start is last 3 games if we are out mathematically from the Playoffs...odds are he could get a start or two at the end of the ear.
Nah, best case scenario for JM to start is for him to study up on the offense and go take the job from Hoyer during preseason. Best QB should start period and if JFF is that guy then, well, let's get the show on the road! Shanny's offense is going to be made for a guy like JFF so I think he has a solid chance. It'll depend on how much work JFF puts in to learning the offense and of course how Hoyer does coming off that major injury (given that Shanny's offense will probably expect a certain level of mobility from the QB).
Nah, best case scenario is for Hoyer to start the season, go 16-0 and lead the Browns to a Superbowl victory!
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Rome is a clown. And, I say that with respect because he knows he is a clown and he has built and empire on it. He's incredibly smart and knows how to twist words to build up the furor which drives page clicks online (and people to listen to him on the radio/tv).
Anyway, I am surprised anyone cares about the quote. The same thing was said for pretty much every 1st round pick we have had. Brady Quinn, Braylon Edwards, etc. You are a backup, low man on the depth chart and will have the work your way up it during camp. You aren't in college anymore Toto.
If they don't like "Hollywood",then don't draft "Hollywood",or let "Hollywood" make a movie about you.Further more,don't accept all that "Hollywood" money coming in for season tickets and jersey's sales either.
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Guys, I have news for you.
Johnny Manziel hasn't given this a second thought. Its not how he's wired.
I think he respects Brian Hoyer, and I think he's smart enough to know whats going on.
I also believe he is so confident in his abilities that none of this BS matters to him.
Johnny is a man. A young man. He is his own man, and that is a big part of it. He is not nearly as immature as most people try to make him out to be. He is not as big a jerk as most people make him out to be. He is not the person most people are making him out to be.
But, he's a cocky, confident little sh*% that I believe is going to make many of those people eat their words.
He's better than a few of us are giving him credit for. He knows it. And, he has the cahonas to back it up once he gets the ball in his hands.
Once you give Johnny the ball people are going to shut up, change their tune, and eat crow.
I hope this isn't the way its going to be all the way till September. The freakin draft was 4 months of torture. Now this?
He was tagged by the entire sports culture as Johnny Hollywood, wait no nevermind it was Johnny Ego, or was it Johnny Overrated?
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How does someone get the entire sports culture to give them the nickname Johnny Football?
Once we get beyond men caressing each other and slipping their tounges down each others throats, the football starts. Once the football starts then Johnny will talk with a lot more than his voice.
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Rome is a clown. And, I say that with respect because he knows he is a clown and he has built and empire on it. He's incredibly smart and knows how to twist words to build up the furor which drives page clicks online (and people to listen to him on the radio/tv).
Anyway, I am surprised anyone cares about the quote. The same thing was said for pretty much every 1st round pick we have had. Brady Quinn, Braylon Edwards, etc. You are a backup, low man on the depth chart and will have the work your way up it during camp. You aren't in college anymore Toto.
If they don't like "Hollywood",then don't draft "Hollywood",or let "Hollywood" make a movie about you.Further more,don't accept all that "Hollywood" money coming in for season tickets and jersey's sales either.
Chris, what are you talking about? Are you still baggin on the Browns over what Pettine told Manziel?
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Rome is a clown. And, I say that with respect because he knows he is a clown and he has built and empire on it. He's incredibly smart and knows how to twist words to build up the furor which drives page clicks online (and people to listen to him on the radio/tv).
Anyway, I am surprised anyone cares about the quote. The same thing was said for pretty much every 1st round pick we have had. Brady Quinn, Braylon Edwards, etc. You are a backup, low man on the depth chart and will have the work your way up it during camp. You aren't in college anymore Toto.
If they don't like "Hollywood",then don't draft "Hollywood",or let "Hollywood" make a movie about you.Further more,don't accept all that "Hollywood" money coming in for season tickets and jersey's sales either.
Chris, what are you talking about? Are you still baggin on the Browns over what Pettine told Manziel?
Yeah,it's everywhere in the media right now.I live in SF,and even my local hosts are talking about this.The talking points for the Browns have been,Jimmy's investigation,firing the whole staff and FO,Gordon's possible suspension...and I'll tell you something.The first time the whole country was talking about us in a POSITIVE light,was our 1st draft day.How about just saying.."Welcome to the team" and leaving it at that?
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Anyway, I am surprised anyone cares about the quote. The same thing was said for pretty much every 1st round pick we have had. Brady Quinn, Braylon Edwards, etc. You are a backup, low man on the depth chart and will have the work your way up it during camp. You aren't in college anymore Toto.
If they don't like "Hollywood",then don't draft "Hollywood",or let "Hollywood" make a movie about you.Further more,don't accept all that "Hollywood" money coming in for season tickets and jersey's sales either.
Chris, what are you talking about? Are you still baggin on the Browns over what Pettine told Manziel?
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Johnny is a man. A young man. He is his own man, and that is a big part of it. He is not nearly as immature as most people try to make him out to be. He is not as big a jerk as most people make him out to be. He is not the person most people are making him out to be.
But, he's a cocky, confident little sh*% that I believe is going to make many of those people eat their words.
He's better than a few of us are giving him credit for. He knows it. And, he has the cahonas to back it up once he gets the ball in his hands.
Once you give Johnny the ball people are going to shut up, change their tune, and eat crow.
All of this rambling, vapid fawning is getting old pretty quickly.
It seems every other thread has some long-winded, non-sensical rant that boils down to little more than 'Manziel has balls/is Superman'.
Reminds me when all the Longhorns came around after we took McCoy.
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Put the ball in his hands and see what happens.
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Put the ball in his hands and see what happens.
He'll be a man? A young man? His own man? 
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All I know is, if he thinks he can throw it up for grabs to Burleson and Benjamin, he will throw a ton of INTs. Maybe the plan was to pick Evans at 9, keeping the combo intact, but I have to laugh at the sect-like follwoing too. Who were the last guys around here that had that kind of devout following? McCoy? Mangini? Tebow? How do you like that list? 
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If we stick to a run heavy offense and Shanahan protects him, he has a chance at success. I don't know if I'd call it a great chance...but he can succeed.
That's why I'm wary of throwing him to the wolves early.
Hoyer is more or less a dead man walking...but I hope he can play well enough to stave off Manziel until the coaching staff can better prepare him.
Bad habits form quickly, and they're hard to break.
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Who were the last guys around here that had that kind of devout following? McCoy? Mangini? Tebow? How do you like that list?
Huh?
What are you guys talking about?
The guy is an incredibly effective football player. He is special.
If you disagree fine.
We will see. Put the ball in his hands. I'd love to watch him play rather than try to decipher your negative, predictive BS
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Johnny is a man. A young man. He is his own man, and that is a big part of it. He is not nearly as immature as most people try to make him out to be. He is not as big a jerk as most people make him out to be. He is not the person most people are making him out to be.
But, he's a cocky, confident little sh*% that I believe is going to make many of those people eat their words.
He's better than a few of us are giving him credit for. He knows it. And, he has the cahonas to back it up once he gets the ball in his hands.
Once you give Johnny the ball people are going to shut up, change their tune, and eat crow.
All of this rambling, vapid fawning is getting old pretty quickly.
It seems every other thread has some long-winded, non-sensical rant that boils down to little more than 'Manziel has balls/is Superman'.
I like you more and more PDR. I hope Manziel dazzles. Until he does I'll remain skeptical. As I am and have been with every player we've ever drafted.
I'm certainly not going to create some sort of fantasy of any player 'redefining his position' or other such nonsense prior to them ever stepping foot on an NFL field. Anymore than I create a fantasy of failure.
I'm not against Manziel but the fanboy crazed folk are driving me nuts. Maybe they're right, but my how far they'll fall if they're wrong. Me? I'll remain on an emotional level. Letting actual play excite me. Not some heroic idea of what 'will' (could) happen.
JCF=Johnny College Football
My hope he becomes JPF=Johnny Pro Football. Until then he's JM.
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Who were the last guys around here that had that kind of devout following? McCoy? Mangini? Tebow? How do you like that list?
Huh?
What are you guys talking about?
The guy is an incredibly effective football player. He is special.
If you disagree fine.
We will see. Put the ball in his hands. I'd love to watch him play rather than try to decipher your negative, predictive BS
I do disagree, but I was more mocking the empty calorie fawning.
There's plenty of guys on this board who I disagree with when it comes to Manziel, but many of them put forth good, tangible arguments.
Then there's the people who just ramble on about how he's a man or he's special or he has cajones.
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it's those intangibles , the heart, the balls, the desire to win that will set him apart.
Your smart, you know his stats, there is no use repeating them ad nauseam, right now, until they take the field, there is little else one can say about him.
Fawning , a good word , I guess, Not sure how you put forth a tangible argument about a persons intangibles.
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