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That may not be enough to ensure that Manziel and Shanahan will be able to coexist. Manziel’s penchant for improvisation doesn’t mesh with Shanahan’s preference that quarterback play be virtually robotic.
“During the course of a regular game, Kyle Shanahan wants you to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions,” former Shanahan pupil Rex Grossman said back in 2011.
This was why I was so sure we wouldn't draft this kid. I assumed an OC would have a fairly large part in deciding, if not who the actual QB was, at least what kind of QB best suited the soon to be installed offense. Everything I'd read was that RG3's improv tendencies drove Shany crazy. So, you know, let's go with the guy that improvs like twice as much as RG3. Great. Brilliant.
Don't mean to continue in my award winning role of turd-in-punch-bowl but personally I think this relationship, more than just about any other on the team, has the makings of train wreck written all over it. So many things have to magically go right that are really inclined to horribly wrong. The kid is either going to have to re-make himself into a legit under center pocket man with running skills at his disposal or Shany is going to have to find a whole lotta zen and "let go let johnny". All the while the hot glare of the national press is salivating at the specter of any juicy drama they can lather into a lazy story. I think keeping the press out as much as possible is the smartest thing they can do.
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I listened to what he said. It didn't come across as negative to me. shrug
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Here's the thing.
It's what I said in my post above in deflecting talk from Johnny to something else. We have a 10 page thread in the Draft Forum on the drafting of Manzel. Here we have a 7 page thread on Haslem's recent comments.
Haslem has diverted the talk away from Johnny Football. I still think that was the plan and it worked.
This thread is proof as it worked on us the same as it worked on the National media.
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If it's "not Hollywood" then don't make it so dramatic.
You simply tell JFF, "Brian Hoyer is the starter entering camp, and if you want to start, you'll have to earn that opportunity"
The "You're the back up. Act like it. This isn't Hollywood" is over the top and very unprofessional, IMO.
Agreed over and over. Too bad there's nobody to tell Jimmy "This isn't Dallas."
My dad taught me something decades ago that ring very true in this case.
It's not what you say, but how you say it. And this certainly wasn't handled well in that regard.
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Here's the thing.
It's what I said in my post above in deflecting talk from Johnny to something else. We have a 10 page thread in the Draft Forum on the drafting of Manzel. Here we have a 7 page thread on Haslem's recent comments.
Haslem has diverted the talk away from Johnny Football. I still think that was the plan and it worked.
This thread is proof as it worked on us the same as it worked on the National media.
I disagree totally. This thread is all about Johnny Football. I watch The NFL Network and ESPN, it's all about Johnny Football. They drafted a media storm and are feeding it.
If you don't want a circus, you don't draft a circus. And nothing you say or do will stop the media from exploiting that circus. Do you think the media is more concerned about Haslam's comments or Johnny Football?
If you really believe that Haslam's comments are what's driving the headlines, it's not. The headline is "NFL rules will be granting us access to Johnny Football soon. Nothing will stop that."
If you believe had this been said to any other rookie we drafted so much media attention would be drawn to it, then it's not about Johnny Football. But the fact is, that's not the case here. This actually feeds the media more than it holds them off.
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pit...you actually believe the Browns should not have drafted Manziel because of the media attention he draws?
...come on Pit, you can't be serious.
I believe Florio might have nailed the reason why the Browns are restricting the media...Shanahan !
Kyle saw the kind of distractions that were created when the Redskins drafted RGIII and he does not want the same experience with Manziel...not a thing wrong with that, IMO.
Manziel has a lot to learn and a short time to learn it. I'm glad to hear that the Browns are getting ahead of the media madness in an effort to keep the entire team focused on the work that needs to be done.
...new coaching staff, new methods, new offensive and defensive playbooks...and a bunch of new roster members attempting to make the team. The Browns can't afford to waste one day of work...
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reported? by BOZOS yeah they wouldn't take anything out of content...lol 
All I know is Kyle runs a Playaction Bootleg system that seems to be tailor made for JM and his potential. I see a lot of Jake the Snake in him.
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If we drafted Manziel for any reason other than we thought that he was the best player at that spot to help us win games, and a championship, then everyone associated with making draft selections should be replaced right now. Making the team better, so that the team can contend for, and win championships is the only reason for drafting particular players.
I do not believe that this was a major consideration. The pundits talk about the Browns selling season tickets the day after Manziel was drafted, and that may be the case, but the Browns have sold out every game for longer than I can remember. I doubt that they felt some overwhelming need to sell tickets, when they sell them anyway.
I do think that the hype over Manziel can be a negative just as easily as it could be a positive. He can't overshadow his teammates to the point that the team is all about him, and not at all about them. He needs to make sure that he stays humble, and shares the credit for any good that comes the team's way. If Manziel does become a great player, then the press will be ready to canonize him, and he has to be on guard to not alienate his teammates.
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you know for years....YEARS we lamented how the Browns did things, no plan or if they did have one they did not have the cajones to follow it.
They flopped in the wind and seemingly bent to the will of media and fans.
They leaked stories, appeared to be played on every deal or signing and we just looked inept.
Now things are completely different... things are being done the way the FO wants it, the coach and GM appear to be in sync, we control the media not vise- versa.
They decide who to draft, they had a board and stuck with it, they do not feel the need to explain anything in detail to the media or us and yet when they do talk I come away feeling they have dealt with me fairly.
It's no more SOB( Same ole browns) and I like it., but still I read the same old munutia as if it was the same ole SOP, it's not
Will it work... meh...who the hell knows... but answer me this ... what has worked the last 14 years we feel the need to hag our hats on?
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In this respect sports is different, it always has been different. It is only recently with sports adopting rookie salary caps that it is starting to change. Only in sports can a guy who has never done the actual job a day in his life, like Stafford or Bradford, be the highest paid guy in the organization... Only in sports can the worker make 4 times as much as the boss (the coach) or 10 times as much as middle management (the assistant coaches)...
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pit...you actually believe the Browns should not have drafted Manziel because of the media attention he draws?
...come on Pit, you can't be serious.
I believe Florio might have nailed the reason why the Browns are restricting the media...Shanahan !
Kyle saw the kind of distractions that were created when the Redskins drafted RGIII and he does not want the same experience with Manziel...not a thing wrong with that, IMO.
Manziel has a lot to learn and a short time to learn it. I'm glad to hear that the Browns are getting ahead of the media madness in an effort to keep the entire team focused on the work that needs to be done.
...new coaching staff, new methods, new offensive and defensive playbooks...and a bunch of new roster members attempting to make the team. The Browns can't afford to waste one day of work...
No, what I'm saying is you knew what you were getting when you drafted him. And the media circus won't slow down. People act as though they're accomplishing something that they're not.
Do you know what's going to be on the cover of sports illustrated next week?
A picture of Johnny Football with the title...Johnny Better Be Good.
Not as some would like to indicate a picture of jimmy Haslam saying..... Jimmy Better Be Good.
One thing you can rest assured of, the longer you try to stave off a feeding frenzy, the worse the frenzy will become.
RG3 was very successful as a rookie. You're not going to keep Johnny out of the press for long. Rules allow you control over mini camp. Past that, it's not going to be so easy. If people actually think keeping the press away from Manziel during rookie mini camp as actually accomplishing anything, I believe they are fooling themselves.
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Will it work... meh...who the hell knows... but answer me this ... what has worked the last 14 years we feel the need to hag our hats on?
And nothing has happened yet for us to hang our hats on. I find the speculation that over the past 14 years people can lay claim that no former regime hasn't had a plan or stuck to a plan rather amusing.
I certainly agree that H&H made reaches of gigantic proportions in an attempt to save both their behinds in the 2012 draft. But for people to say nobody over the last 14 years has had a plan and stuck to it to be a very funny thing to say.
Just because none of their plans reached success doesn't mean they didn't have one and stuck to it. Just like the current group.
Hopefully they'll have better luck at it.
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"Mike Pettine said it very well 'Johnny, right now you're our backup quarterback and you need to act like such,''' Haslam said at the Pro Football Hall of Fame luncheon club Monday. "We were very frank with him on Friday that that's the expectation. 'You're the backup quarterback. This is a hard-working blue collar town. This isn't Hollywood. We want you to come in here, work hard and work as hard as anybody on the team.'
"He's not the starter. Brian Hoyer is our starting quarterback. Johnny is the backup. They'll compete. If Johnny wins the job, fine. If not, Brian will be the quarterback. That's the way it is and that's the way it's been expressed to him. I think you'll see Johnny perform that way.''
I see nothing wrong with that statement. Out of context sensationlaism. Shocker.
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I agree, shocker.
The media has to make a story of it somehow. It's in their cold blood.
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"Mike Pettine said it very well 'Johnny, right now you're our backup quarterback and you need to act like such,''' Haslam said at the Pro Football Hall of Fame luncheon club Monday. "We were very frank with him on Friday that that's the expectation. 'You're the backup quarterback. This is a hard-working blue collar town. This isn't Hollywood. We want you to come in here, work hard and work as hard as anybody on the team.'
"He's not the starter. Brian Hoyer is our starting quarterback. Johnny is the backup. They'll compete. If Johnny wins the job, fine. If not, Brian will be the quarterback. That's the way it is and that's the way it's been expressed to him. I think you'll see Johnny perform that way.''
I see nothing wrong with that statement. Out of context sensationlaism. Shocker.
Thanks.....maybe that will stop the moaning.
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"Mike Pettine said it very well 'Johnny, right now you're our backup quarterback and you need to act like such,''' Haslam said at the Pro Football Hall of Fame luncheon club Monday. "We were very frank with him on Friday that that's the expectation. 'You're the backup quarterback. This is a hard-working blue collar town. This isn't Hollywood. We want you to come in here, work hard and work as hard as anybody on the team.'
"He's not the starter. Brian Hoyer is our starting quarterback. Johnny is the backup. They'll compete. If Johnny wins the job, fine. If not, Brian will be the quarterback. That's the way it is and that's the way it's been expressed to him. I think you'll see Johnny perform that way.''
I see nothing wrong with that statement. Out of context sensationlaism. Shocker.
I"ve been saying as much for several days.. Haters will Hate 
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J/C Let's face it. This franchise has been the laughing stock/whipping boy of the NFL for quite some time. The national media feels the need to have ammo to kick the Browns around as much as they can. If they had the access that they wished to have, the media "circus" would find a way to paint them in a bad light any chance that they get. I can't tell you how many of my Steeler friends gave me grief on Facebook about us drafting JM. It takes everything I have to engage them, mostly because they are as fair weather as fans get. With a new FO, coaching staff and increased expectations, I'm glad that there is limited access to information. I just hope that we can turn the corner and shut them and all of the other haters up. I think they have handled it well so far, despite our thirst for having more access to camp. Remember, there is a whole summer to garner more information. I'll just keep 
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A few years ago, the Steelers mocked the Browns drafting a "runt" CB named Hanford Dixon...
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The best part of it is this: When asked to comment on this topic today, Johnny Manziel had no bad feelings about it at all.. NONE. NO WORRIES..
And frankly he's a really good actor or he means it.. Whichever.
Go to the main site and hear it for yourself. (not directed at you WV)
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But you wouldn't be reading it anyway, so the point is moot.
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Johnny is riding the bench at teh first of the season. To me that's great. I still want to see what Hoyer can do with an actual running game.
It would be great to be in a situation where we have a spare QB that can be traded for a 2nd or 1st round pick while still having a great QB to play for us.
Let the best man win. I just hope it's a real competition and not the BS we have had in the past where they already know who is starting but put on a show and think they are fooling anyone and meanwhile the guy who ends up starting doesn't get the reps he needs.
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I made it through the lyric about suffering through the pain ..... and I realized that this is exactly what I was doing listening to this "song".  Thanks for posting it though.
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This is what I think should happen.
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What's funny is, that's been my sig for at least 6 months, maybe longer and in all that time, one person PMed me on it and all of a sudden, we have a major conversation over it.
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Could of been you.. I know that only one person PMed me about it...
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This is what I think should happen.
I agree it should be a competition but if it's close, Hoyer starts. I think Maziel should have to be decidedly better to get the nod.. If it's not 100% obvious, Hoyer starts.
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'Despite the talk, neither Brian Hoyer nor Johnny Manziel will win Cleveland Browns' QB job until later this summer: Analysis' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/despite_all_the_talk_neither_b.htmlBy Tom Reed, Northeast Ohio Media Group on May 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, updated May 27, 2014 at 7:21 AM BEREA, Ohio – The Browns official Twitter feed released the team's "Top Videos this Week" on Sunday and they shockingly excluded Johnny Manziel's "champagne rainstorm" from a Las Vegas night club over the weekend. The Browns are attempting to manage access to their 21-year-old celebrity rookie, but unless they make TMZ an official broadcast partner Manziel's zest for good times will find its way to the public. Both of the franchise's first-round picks left town on weekend getaways before returning to Berea for more organized team activities Tuesday. Justin Gilbert went to Miami. Manziel went to Vegas, where he ran into New England tight end Rob Gronkowski and was a Ken Jeong cameo away from making a buddy movie or Miller Lite commercial. Bottom line: Everybody had fun, nobody got hurt and it provided a distraction from a story that's preoccupied Browns fans from almost the moment they drafted Manziel. Who's going to start at quarterback? Is it St. Ignatius product Brian Hoyer or Manziel? No matter what anyone inside or outside the organization says right now this job isn't going to be won in May. You can debate it all you want and ,judging from samplings of sports talk radio lately, you'll do just that. Instead of celebrating another Cavaliers' NBA Lottery Champion banner raising at The Q, we argue the merits of the two quarterbacks. In fairness to our local talk show hosts, it's probably tough to build a program around the Paul McQuistan-Joel Bitonio battle at left guard. As Browns fans are aware, nothing captivates like a quarterback controversy. This one, however, isn't raging at midseason when the starter is ineffective or trying to earn his job back after returning from injury. Hoyer and Manziel will get their opportunities throughout training camp and exhibition season. If Hoyer outplays Manziel, or is at least on the same level, he will start in Pittsburgh on Sept. 7. But if Manziel's game translates to the NFL and he delivers plays in the preseason the way he did at Texas A&M it will be difficult to idle him. Pettine and Farmer realize they need to win now with the collection of talent on the roster. If Josh Gordon gets suspended for failing another drug test, Manziel's mobility could take on added importance. None of it gets resolved until summer's dog days, though. We won't know if No. 2's improv works in the NFL until Detroit's Ndamukong Suh starts chasing him around the Ford Field carpet on Aug. 7. The Browns decision makers remind us in almost every interview that Hoyer is the starter and Manziel is a backup. He worked with the third unit on Wednesday when the press was able to watch an entire practice. Later that afternoon, general manager Ray Farmer told 92.3 The FAN that Hoyer is better "probably (by) a substantial margin." It was a newsworthy comment, but one that would have carried more weight had it been made in August, or at least when Hoyer's surgically-repaired knee enabled him to participate in 11-on-11 drills. To borrow a phrase from Mike Pettine's lexicon, the quarterback battle is a fluid situation. We don't know yet how well Manziel reads NFL defenses. We also don't know if, given a few more starts, Hoyer will burgeon as a first stringer or show why he's been a career backup. The coach craves competition at every position, and that's what he'll get. Until training camp starts, the rest is just noise. Some don't appreciate the Browns trying to humble Manziel at every turn. Fair enough, but the kid didn't look like he was wallowing in his backup status over the weekend. How ya gonna keep 'em down in Berea after they've hung out with DJ Pauly D? (end)
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Local media (and the national to a certain extent) are really trying to push this story all the way to training camp.... Gotta stay in business.
Johnny goes to Vegas because he has a few days off, and he's officially partying too much...
Can we at least see this guy play before we bury him? Good god.
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If JM can't win the QB competition in camp against what we have now. Yikes!.
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Hoyer 'securely ahead' of Manziel for Browns' job http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hoyer-securely-ahead-manziel-browns-185348149--nfl.htmlBy TOM WITHERS (AP Sports Writer) 3 hours ago AP - Sports BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Johnny Manziel's No. 2 jersey has double meaning. He's behind Brian Hoyer. Browns coach Mike Pettine said Hoyer is ''securely ahead'' in the competition to be Cleveland's starting quarterback this season, but his lead over Manziel isn't ''insurmountable.'' After the Browns ended their three-day mandatory minicamp Thursday, Pettine sized up the battle as a friendly fight that will heat up when the team opens training camp late in July. Pettine said Hoyer, who is recovering from knee surgery and has been limited during practices, still has a grip on the starting job - for now. ''It's been hard to evaluate because Brian hasn't been able to take the 11-on-11 reps, but when we put the depth chart together, Brian will be No. 1,'' he said. Pettine agrees with Browns general manager Ray Farmer's evaluation that Manziel, the wildly popular 2012 Heisman Trophy winner and first-round draft pick from Texas A&M, has some catching up to do. Manziel is trailing Hoyer, but maybe not by much. ''I don't think it's insurmountable,'' Pettine said. ''Brian is securely ahead of him right now, but we will compete and we will decide. The issue for us as a staff is finding the right time to name a starter. If you wait too late, then nobody's ready for the opener, if you do it too soon, then it wasn't a true competition. ''That will be part of our discussions as well as far as OK, here's the plan, here's a date that we want to go ahead and name him.'' During recent workouts open to the media, Manziel has shown some of the flashes that earned him the Johnny Football nickname in college. But there have also been moments where he looked like another lost rookie. Pettine made it clear the Browns have not made any decisions and the competition is still in its infancy. ''We haven't really been in the mode of thinking, 'He's this far ahead today. How much was the gap closed?''' Pettine said. ''They're still learning the basics of the offense. The rookies haven't been here very long. They're playing catch-up from a playbook standpoint. So at this point, we really weren't keeping score. '' Pettine kept Hoyer and Manziel off limits to reporters this week, hoping to contain a story that's expected to only grow. In the next few weeks, Pettine and his staff will decide how to best divide the snaps between Hoyer and Manziel. Pettine said it's safe to assume the duties will be shared. ''I don't know how even we'll get it, but there will definitely be times when Johnny will be with the ones (starters),'' Pettine said. ''It would be hard to evaluate if we didn't that. If there wasn't a competition, then it would just be strictly ones and ones, twos and twos. We haven't met to go over that.'' Pettine also plans to play Manziel with Cleveland's starting offense in exhibition games. ''If a guy has a chance to be a starter, I would think that you'd want to expose him to a starting defense if he was going to be the guy opening day,'' said Pettine. Manziel has made some headlines with his off-the-field antics in recent weeks. He partied poolside in Las Vegas with Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski and was filmed spraying champagne on patrons in a nightclub. Last weekend, he was in Austin, Texas, where he was photographed lying on an inflatable swan raft in a pool, drinking champagne. Pettine won't micromanage Manziel or any of his players as long as they're not involved in anything that's criminal or affects their jobs. But with a long break coming up, he's hoping all the Browns steer clear of danger. ''It's nervous any time your entire team is dismissed,'' he said. ''As a coach, you hear your phone ring and you kind of look at it with one eye, hoping it's not an issue coming up. We talked to them about it. We wanted to make sure that they handled themselves well. The advice was: Learn the system, stay in shape, stay out of trouble.'' --- AP NFL website www.pro32.ap.org(end)
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If JM can't win the QB competition in camp against what we have now. Yikes!.
What do we have? Except for Hoyer none of these guys played with the Browns.
I like Manziel. I wish him well, but college ball is no more. People underestimate NFL players all the time. For a rookie at any position starting week 1 is a special player both mentally and physically. Even starting as a rookie means you were only the best on your team. As a rookie you will be beat by the opposition.
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'ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski said Browns would make mistake to start Johnny Manziel in opener' http://www.news-herald.com/sports/201406...nziel-in-openerBy Jeff Schudel, The News-Herald & The Morning Journal POSTED: 06/11/14, 7:08 PM EDT | Former NFL quarterback and current ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski said it would be a mistake for the Browns to start Johnny Manziel in the season opener in Pittsburgh on Sept. 7. “I think Hoyer will be the opener starter,” Jaworski said on June 11 as he stood on the sideline in Berea and watched the Browns practice in the second of a three-day minicamp. “I don’t want to put my rookie quarterback against Dick LeBeau’s defense.” Jaworski was one of Manziel’s harshest critics before the draft. At one point, he said he wouldn’t take Manziel until the third day of the draft, which would mean a fourth-round pick at the earliest. He studied more tape and softened that stance, but even at that concluded Manziel wasn’t worth more than a second- or third-round pick. The Browns traded up to take Manziel 22nd overall. “The first three games I looked at, I saw a very inconsistent quarterback that didn’t go through his progressions very well,” Jaworski said. “As time went on, I studied just about every one of his games — touchdown reel, interception reel and his game grew on me a little bit.” The former Youngtown State quarterback decided the best way to judge Manziel was to see him in person. He liked the way Manziel operated in the minicamp. You learn a lot when you see the ball come out of a quarterback’s hand,” Jaworski said. “I like what I see. The ball’s coming out well. Because you know here in Cleveland, there’s going to be the wind whipping off the lake and you better have a ball that can cut through that wind. He did some good things from the pocket. He did some good things movement-wise. He clearly has a long way to go, but I think there’s unique talent.” Jaworski was singling out Manziel since Manziel was practicing in front of him, but he said it would be difficult for any quarterback to start as a rookie. Andrew Luck of the Colts, Robert Griffin III of the Redskins and Russell Wilson of the Seahawks in 2012 were the exceptions — not the rule. “It’s a quantum leap when you come from Youngstown State to the Los Angeles Rams or Texas A&M to the Cleveland Browns,” Jaworski said. “The National Football League is big-boy football. It’s total commitment to your profession. You’re competing against guys who have wives and kids they need to take care of.” All along, Coach Mike Pettine has said Hoyer is the starting quarterback. Manziel will get the chance to take the job in training camp and preseason, but if nothing changes Hoyer will be the Browns starter in Heinz Field. But Jaworski made a prediction. He said Manziel will look better than Hoyer in preseason because Manziel will play against backup defenses after Hoyer plays against the starters. Of course, Pettine can control that by making Hoyer the starter for two games and Manziel the starter for two. Jaworski also said the defenses Manziel sees in preseason will not be the same as the ones the Browns will face in the regular season, so even if Manziel does shine in August, it will not guarantee success in the months ending with “ber.” As Jaworski watched, Browns defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil rushed two linemen and dropped the nose tackle into coverage on a play. Tyler Thigpen was the quarterback at the time. “That stuff didn’t happen in the 70s and 80s,” Jaworski said. “What Manziel gets in preseason will be pretty much vanilla.” So here is the quandary for Pettine and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan: How do they know when Manziel is ready if the first time he sees real NFL defenses not wearing Browns jerseys will be the first time he starts a regular-season game? Is it like a pilot landing a passenger plane on his own for the first time? “You know by being in meetings, him going to the board, he has to practice, and all the nuances of the game he has to understand,” Jaworski said. “Then eventually all those things carry over into live game action. It’s very difficult for a rookie in this business to come in and play and play well.” Jaworski said Manziel is doing nothing wrong by partying during free time, but he added at some point Manziel will have to tone it down. Manziel has been photographed several times since being drafted sucking champagne like a baby sucking a bottle. “You have to be careful,” Jaworski said. “I think people perceive that as a lack of focus and understanding what your job is. His job is to win football games. “I’m not going to make a big deal of it, but I think as time goes on we’ll see if he quiets things down a little bit. If teammates see him as a committed player on the practice field, they get it. You can’t be 100 mph in football all the time, but he still has to understand perception becomes reality, unfortunately. “The mental approach has to be second to none. There are a lot of guys with great talent that bomb. There are also some guys that had marginal talent that excelled because they out-thought their opponents. They out-prepared their opponents. They out-worked their opponents. That’s what separates the quarterbacks at this level to me — that total commitment to be successful.” (end)
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