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Good point Dawg4life. I think its a win-win for us. If Cameron plays to last year levels its a no brainer we tag him if a deal is not reached. I think the TE tag is in the neighborhood of 7 mil.
If Cameron slips a bit we either save some cash or move on. Signing Haden now gives us a lot of flexibility. I just hope Cameron doesn't live to regret it like the Hype Whino Hillis.
As to the others with contracts coming up, I hope Sheard is resigned and we keep Kruger. Although Kruger was disappointing in the pass rush department I was very impressed with him against the run. I think Mingo is going to be strictly a pass rush specialist rotational guy.
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That’s business stuff,” he said. “I can’t think about that. I’ve got the season to play and my business people handle that. I can’t really say anything about it. I’ve got to play hard and really focus on this right now.
This kids head and his heart is in the right place. He needs another big season before he will be able to demand big money, and he is smart enough to know that. His agents are out to squeeze every penny out of his next contract which is their jobs to do. If he has another great season he will deserve a huge paycheck. If he has a subpar season or gets injured this year his agents demands will go way down.
All I know is that he is a good kid who wants to do well, and he will give 110 percent to make sure he does so not just this year but every year he plays in the NFL. I Hope he has a great season and is rewarded for it with a long term contract.
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Cameron is betting on himself this season ... he thinks he will maintain or surpass last year's stats, in which case I'd be thrilled.
If he doesn't play up to the same level he'll be costing himself some money IMO. He's not to the Graham/Gonzalez/Gates dominance level at this point in his career.
Good point.
I'm not sure how many "great TE's" the Shanny system has produced but many, including myself, predicted Cameron's breakout year last year under Norv's system............a veryvery TE friendly system.
In this years "season predictions thread" I was gonna predict that Cameron's 2014 campaign falls a tad short of his 2013 year solely due to the O system change. Now, with Gordon prob gone I dunno.
Maybe he should sign up for a few more years here............before the season. 
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I would think Cameron would want to get an extension done before training camp. He is entering the year making $645,000- risking injury that could cost him millions. With the franchise tag at $7 million even a two year extension at $4 million a year with guarantees is better then he is doing now and offers better long term security. I would be shocked if the browns were not offering more then that- no wonder he fired his agent.
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So you actually believe it's likely that his agent informed the Browns that Bridgewater did not wish to be drafted by the Browns? I find it not only unlikely, but bordering on absurdity.
I think he got pissed the Browns didn't draft him so he got angry and decided to crap on Cleveland.
Because he's a diva.
For what it's worth, when this news broke the tone on Bridgewater changed in MN. People are questioning his character, divaness (is that a word??) and motivation. It really did not go over well and a lot of people think drafting him is another mistake akin to Ponder....
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So you actually believe it's likely that his agent informed the Browns that Bridgewater did not wish to be drafted by the Browns? I find it not only unlikely, but bordering on absurdity.
I think he got pissed the Browns didn't draft him so he got angry and decided to crap on Cleveland.
Because he's a diva.
For what it's worth, when this news broke the tone on Bridgewater changed in MN. People are questioning his character, divaness (is that a word??) and motivation. It really did not go over well and a lot of people think drafting him is another mistake akin to Ponder....
I do think it was childish of him to comment in that fashion, but I also believe the Vikes got a solid QB for once.
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I do think it was childish of him to comment in that fashion, but I also believe the Vikes got a solid QB for once.
See, I guess that's what I thought the objective of drafting a QB was all along. But it appears there are other, far more important things to some when drafting a QB.
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I do think it was childish of him to comment in that fashion, but I also believe the Vikes got a solid QB for once.
See, I guess that's what I thought the objective of drafting a QB was all along. But it appears there are other, far more important things to some when drafting a QB.
Who was the QB that actually was highly thought of coming out of college but always caused a bunch of problems for teammates with attitude problems,.,, Oh yeah, Jeff George..
You can draft a very talented guy but attitude can get in the way..
Looking at Johnny Manziel and listening to his presser last friday, I have to say, he seems to have his head screwed on very well.. That's my initial impression.
QB skills are very important, but attitude is the key to success.
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I believe if you look at things pre-draft, the one who people had so much concern about was Johnny Football. He has been kept away from the media. Did you ever wonder why that is? I know people wish to divert the subject away from it, but maybe the pre-draft hype has as much to do with keeping Johnny Football away from the media as anything. Funny thing, people are taking one little blurb Bridgewater said as some kind of pattern when there is zero to tie with it. A kid makes one dumb statement and now you're comparing him to Jeff George? My point exactly...... Let's wait until the FO is forced to let the media have its day with Johnny before we go comparing Bridgewater to Jeff George.
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I believe if you look at things pre-draft, the one who people had so much concern about was Johnny Football.
He has been kept away from the media. Did you ever wonder why that is? I know people wish to divert the subject away from it, but maybe the pre-draft hype has as much to do with keeping Johnny Football away from the media as anything.
Funny thing, people are taking one little blurb Bridgewater said as some kind of pattern when there is zero to tie with it. A kid makes one dumb statement and now you're comparing him to Jeff George?
My point exactly......
Let's wait until the FO is forced to let the media have its day with Johnny before we go comparing Bridgewater to Jeff George.
Keep in mind Pit, I think Teddy will be a fine QB.
As for attitude, I didn't compare Teddy to anyone, I merely indicated that Attitude can make or break a player, even one with strong skills. and I used Jeff George as an example.
I can't reasonably compare the two players. Just demonstrating how a bad attitude can be destructive to a players career.
It's true, I haven't heard one word from Manziel since last fridays presser introducing him and Gilbert. Come to think of it, I haven't heard anything from Gilbert or any of the other draft picks either.
What do you suppose that means? are they sheltering them all and keeping them all away from the media?
If you want a good listen, go to the main site and listen to Joe Haden. There is a presser there about his contract being extended.
In fact, there may be 2 of them.. Watch the one that shows him sitting down. The kid is sharp...
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I saw a lot of that presser. He does seem very sharp. Not a lot not to like about the guy.
And about the press? Yes, the national press is being kept away from rookie mini-camps. And while I've seen many rookies from many teams in the media, ours are nowhere to be seen. I would say there's an effort being made to do so.
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And about the press? Yes, the national press is being kept away from rookie mini-camps. And while I've seen many rookies from many teams in the media, ours are nowhere to be seen. I would say there's an effort being made to do so.
Not sure why that is. I'm sure that everyone is trying to get an interview with any Browns player and if you look, the only one since the draft are the Manziel/Gilbert Presser and the Haden signing presser. that seems to be it.
No Jordon or anyone else.. No Hoyer... not even Thomas. NOBODY. Are these guys being hidden away? sure feels like it.
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Cameron is betting on himself this season ... he thinks he will maintain or surpass last year's stats, in which case I'd be thrilled.
If he doesn't play up to the same level he'll be costing himself some money IMO. He's not to the Graham/Gonzalez/Gates dominance level at this point in his career.
Good point.
I'm not sure how many "great TE's" the Shanny system has produced but many, including myself, predicted Cameron's breakout year last year under Norv's system............a veryvery TE friendly system.
In this years "season predictions thread" I was gonna predict that Cameron's 2014 campaign falls a tad short of his 2013 year solely due to the O system change. Now, with Gordon prob gone I dunno.
Maybe he should sign up for a few more years here............before the season.
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While not as good as Norvs TE track record Owen Daniels while at Houston and Fred Davis had good years in a Shanny Offense. Shannon Sharpe was outstanding in Shanny Sr.'s offense.
I don't think their scheme will make great TEs from nobodies, but I do think a TE with talent will produce.
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2009 Houston Texans 8 40 519 13.0 44 5
2008 Houston Texans 16 70 862 12.3 35 2
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2012 Washington Redskins 7 24 325 13.5 46.4 4
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Cameron is betting on himself this season ... he thinks he will maintain or surpass last year's stats, in which case I'd be thrilled.
If he doesn't play up to the same level he'll be costing himself some money IMO. He's not to the Graham/Gonzalez/Gates dominance level at this point in his career.
Good point.
I'm not sure how many "great TE's" the Shanny system has produced but many, including myself, predicted Cameron's breakout year last year under Norv's system............a veryvery TE friendly system.
In this years "season predictions thread" I was gonna predict that Cameron's 2014 campaign falls a tad short of his 2013 year solely due to the O system change. Now, with Gordon prob gone I dunno.
Maybe he should sign up for a few more years here............before the season.
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While not as good as Norvs TE track record Owen Daniels while at Houston and Fred Davis had good years in a Shanny Offense. Shannon Sharpe was outstanding in Shanny Sr.'s offense.
I don't think their scheme will make great TEs from nobodies, but I do think a TE with talent will produce.
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Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G TD
2009 Houston Texans 8 40 519 13.0 44 5
2008 Houston Texans 16 70 862 12.3 35 2
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2012 Washington Redskins 7 24 325 13.5 46.4 4
2011 Washington Redskins 12 59 796 13.5 66.3 3
Excellent post Penny. 
I think that the OP's point is very good as well. Cameron has had one great year. If I were him, even though he hired Condon as his new Agent, I wouldn't be too picky about the contract offer he is seeking.
I think that we'd love to sign him long-term, but w/ the money we've committed to other positions, we would be hard pressed to give him Top 3-5 TE money and I exclude Jimmy Graham because he lined up as WR more than he did at TE. It might actually benefit us to see how he plays this year before aggressively pursuing a contact extension even though it comes with a risk. I trust 'Trader Ray' to make the right decision. 
We'll see how it all shakes out but I would love to see JC in the Brown and Orange for a long time...for the right price.
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Rubin is 99.9% not going to get resigned, Sheard is more valuable than him.
Rubin has been a solid player and really loyal and I like him, but he is not getting paid in Cleveland, unfortunately he is not needed.
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Well, if Cameron wants out next year then it looks like we will be retooling the entire WR core next season. Wonder if they will attempt to trade Gordon for picks. Sure hope some of this years UDFA WR's are diamonds in the rough.... Damn, we we're so close to having a feared receiver core....now implosion.... 
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Rubin is such a good DE in the 3-4, I certainly hope that you re wrong about us not re-signing him. He plays all across the field on every play ..... and he is highly effective in either the 3-4 or the 4-3. If I had to make a decision between keeping Rubin or Taylor, I'd keep Rubin.
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That is where you do not understand the details of football.
It's ok to be a fan that doesn't understand but Taylor is far more important right now and in the future if it was Taylor vs. Rubin.
But it won't be.
Rubin is gone asap, Taylor may follow him in 2 years.
But Taylor has an impact role, Rubin does not.
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Well ... I feel that I understand the "details of football" pretty well ......... Taylor is more a big body than anything at NT. He's not really a penetrator at the position. He's not a tackling machine. He has only 26 tackles and 2 sacks last year despite playing 15 games. His backup, Kitchen, had 18 tackles. (in only 191 snaps played) I don't see teams being afraid to run at Taylor. In fact, they were more likely to run up the middle, than to run into Bryant or Rubin. Rubin played more defensive snaps (624 defensive snaps in 14 games) than Taylor did. (546 snaps in 15 games) http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcountsI don't see teams frantically double teaming Taylor, because they are afraid of him crushing the pocket and getting their QB. I don't see a ton of double blocking to move him out of the hole in the run game. He's solid, but not a real impact player. I lhonestly mean that too. When I Iook at Taylor, and I see "competent" rather than "impact". He was 57th in tackles among DL. Think about that for a minute. He had, as noted above, only 26 tackles in 15 games. Now sometimes that can be deceiving, because teams can try to play away from a particular defender, but I never see that with Taylor. Rubin had twice as many tackles as Taylor. That was in one less game. That is an incredible stat. Even as a 3-4 NT, (where Rubin started his career) Rubin racked up the tackles, and impact plays. Rubin can make plays from sideline to sideline. His quickness is uncanny for such a big man. I feel that Rubin has incredible quickness, speed, agility and strength for such a big man. I think that he shows excellent instincts in chasing down plays on the backside. He does a nice job against the run.Rubin led the DL in tackles. (by far) I don't see a lot of elite characteristics in Taylor. I think that he's a very good player, but not an elite player. Can you tell me what you feel is Taylor's biggest strength, and why you feel that he is a better player than Rubin, and how that is demonstrated on the playing field? What makes you say that he has an impact role, and how is that shown on the field? What does Taylor do that is an "impact" factor on the defense?
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It's the nature of the business. Rubin is older and there are guys on the roster who can adequately replace him. We also have a head coach who has developed defensive players before.
I appreciate the time Rubin has played for us, but I would be surprised if he is with the team next year given the other players who need new contracts.
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Rubin is 28. Very far from old.
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He is 28 now. When his contract comes up next year he will be 29 (if my math is right) for the 2015 season. How much do you really want to pay a 29 year old non-elite player when you have other players that can do his job (Hughes, Winn, Bryant, etc.).
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Rubin is 28. That is the prime age we seem to set for signing premium free agents. I think that he still has 3 more high quality years in him.
That said, it is an advantage he has over Taylor .... but IMHO, the only one. Taylor is 26. It's not like he's a much, much younger player. I think that, at this point in his career,. what we have seen from Taylor is what we're going to get. He's "pretty good" ..... but not elite. He's not a pass rusher. He's not the strongest tackler on the DL unit. He's not a guy who demands double teams on every play. He's a pretty good player, but not a guy I see as being elite.
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And Rubin is elite? Certainly not.
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He is 28 now. When his contract comes up next year he will be 29 (if my math is right) for the 2015 season. How much do you really want to pay a 29 year old non-elite player when you have other players that can do his job (Hughes, Winn, Bryant, etc.).
Well, I think his current contract is out of range. He's been making like 6-7 mil per year. Just a ridiculous number. I think when his contract is up we can get him for 2-4 million cheaper. For that I'd be on board for.
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And Rubin is elite? Certainly not.
He might not be elite, but he is one of our best 2 DL.
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I don't agree. I think both Taylor and Bryant are better than him. I also think that Hughes and Winn can easily fill in for Rubin.
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Make your case for Taylor. I made mine for Rubin above.
Plus, if you look back to when Rubin played 3-4 NT earlier in his career, under Mangini, he was a monster inside. That one year was almost as productive as Taylor's entire career. Taylor has 99 tackles, and 7 sacks in his 3 year career.
Rubin, as NT in 2010, had 82 tackles and 2 sacks in one year alone. He then moved to DT in the 4-3, and again, out-performed Taylor. Taylor is a decent player, but I do think that he is vastly overrated by many Browns fans. I see more special in Rubin, from an agility basis, as far as speed and quickness, and ability to hold his position, and the ability to chase down plays to the backside. I think that Rubin is a better player. He has played the same position that Taylor plays, and played it immensely better.
Why do you feel that Taylor is better? He's big, but he doesn't make the opposing offense significantly change their plans. He's a good, quality player, but not a great player. What makes you feel that Taylor is better than Rubin? What do you feel that he does better?
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Make your case for Taylor. I made mine for Rubin above.
Plus, if you look back to when Rubin played 3-4 NT earlier in his career, under Mangini, he was a monster inside. That one year was almost as productive as Taylor's entire career. Taylor has 99 tackles, and 7 sacks in his 3 year career.
Rubin, as NT in 2010, had 82 tackles and 2 sacks in one year alone. He then moved to DT in the 4-3, and again, out-performed Taylor. Taylor is a decent player, but I do think that he is vastly overrated by many Browns fans. I see more special in Rubin, from an agility basis, as far as speed and quickness, and ability to hold his position, and the ability to chase down plays to the backside. I think that Rubin is a better player. He has played the same position that Taylor plays, and played it immensely better.
Why do you feel that Taylor is better? He's big, but he doesn't make the opposing offense significantly change their plans. He's a good, quality player, but not a great player. What makes you feel that Taylor is better than Rubin? What do you feel that he does better?
I've always felt that rube was a better all around player. This post and the previous one by him with stats proves it. I'm not a stat guy, but when stats match the eye test, it seems to be true more times than not.
I like taylor, but he doesn't have the hustle that rube has. Doesn't play as much. He has that fire that people like. Big fat guy dancing and hitting someone who spits at him. He has that fire that you want on your d. When he tries.
Rubin is the lunch pail kind of guy. The kind that if he ever got a td, he would just flip the ball to the ref like he had been there before. Quiet hard worker. Example kid of guy. And just a better player than Phil.
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It's the nature of the business. Rubin is older and there are guys on the roster who can adequately replace him. We also have a head coach who has developed defensive players before.
I appreciate the time Rubin has played for us, but I would be surprised if he is with the team next year given the other players who need new contracts.
Rubin and Huges are good three technique. Where as Taylor, Winn, and Bryant are all good one technique. I am interested in finding out how Pettine designs his DL scheme. I am assuming he'll mix both. Having Rubin and Huges allows Pettine to play a 2-5. DL has talent to move guys around in different positions. I do know one thing for sure he has enough talent to rotate guys and change schemes throughout a game.
In order to dump Rubin, they will need a replacement. Right now that guy is not on the roster.
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I think Rubin is good anywhere from 0 - 3 technique. Sometimes I think Taylor might be better at 3 technique than 0-1.
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Rubin is the new whipping boy on these boards for NO good reason. The guy is still one hell of a player.
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Whipping boy from some guy who calls himself JohnnyCleveland that registered a week ago.
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People think Rubin is better because he makes tackles. If only Taylor, our nose tackle, made more tackles.
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People think Rubin is better because he makes tackles. If only Taylor, our nose tackle, made more tackles.
It's not just making tackles though. That is the result of what Rubin does better than Taylor. Rubin has such a wider range of making plays. He's not stuck in the middle, unmoving even when the play has gone significantly past him. I don't think that Taylor is a bad player, I just prefer Rubin.
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It's because his old agent let him get drafted by the Browns when he told him not to.
Was that a joke or its been reported that way? I would think a nobody known TE would want anyone to draft him as it was the 4th round already. ???
The other thing we forget about. Yes, we went out en masse to Mack's house in California and turned the tables around in our negotiation process. Prior to that he didn't want to say boo to us because of the firings.
Well I think Cameron was closer with Chud than anyone. As Chud was a hands on TE type of coach regardless of the HC moniker. I'm sure the breakout season had a lot to do with Chud and Norv - also they did not hesitate stating he was THE MAN.
We did not send any coalition of owner and coaches out to talk to him. So all he had is one mini-camp. I think Cameron was closer and liked Chud just more than anyone on the team. I think it PO'd him more than we know - Logically it tells me so - I don't need no BOZO to report it to make it so. Give it time...he might grow to really like the new staff and get back into Loving the Browns before the year is done and get signed.
Getting tagged will not be choice of his. I say if he doesn't change his mind...we tag him and work out a trade at the worst and then have him like the team we are trading him to. We get a good pick at worst case. TEs are not a tough position to get out of the draft...and many of them hit the FA market. Guarantee you the Saints are kicking themselves in the but for the Graham contract and he is as good as a TE gets!
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All he does is make plays when many of our others didn't. Love Rubin for consistency and his toughness. We need to get more out of our front play, but he isn't the problem. Production suits me.
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You are probably right about Reubin being the next to go, but you are overvaluing other players and undervaluing Reubin.
Taylor doesn't make a ton of tackles because he is on the sideline quite a bit because of his terrible conditioning, his motor is not always turned on, and his gap integrity is not very good. Reubin is a better conditioned athlete, has a high motor, and has better gap integrity. Both players get sealed a bit too easy, though. Taylor is one of those guys who gets a ton of love on the board, probably because of where and when he was drafted. He has not lived up to his lofty draft status. Meanwhile, Reubin---who was a lower round pick, has outperformed Taylor on the field, yet received much less attention from the fans.
Hughes and Winn are not as good as Reubin right now. Not sure they every will be.
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