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Hell if we could get a TRUE PG (Sorry Kyrie) I'd play Irving at the 2...
You do not want to watch Kyrie Irving guard a 2..... Also, there is only 1 ball, you can't put Lebron Irving and a ball dominant PG (which is what you want) on the floor together....
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Anybody think Philly would give up 3 and 10 for Irving? Embiid, Wiggins/Parker, Napier in the draft... Get to keep Waiters. I know they have MCW, but Irving is better, no?
Just a left field scenario.
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If he doesnt return to miami, i think he goes to cleveland or LA Clippers. They are close to championship, and him and chris paul are good friends. Not sure if he wants to go out west however.
I don't think anyone is going to the Clippers until the ownership is finally settled. It looked like it was over and done with, and then Donald filled another lawsuit. And sure enough, the NBA countersued right back. It may end up taking years for this to shake out.
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If he doesnt return to miami, i think he goes to cleveland or LA Clippers. They are close to championship, and him and chris paul are good friends. Not sure if he wants to go out west however.
I don't think anyone is going to the Clippers until the ownership is finally settled. It looked like it was over and done with, and then Donald filled another lawsuit. And sure enough, the NBA countersued right back. It may end up taking years for this to shake out.
I agree. I think the new owner is going to be great for them, but that dark cloud probably ain't going away until Sterling kicks the bucket. His wife could possibly carry it on afterwards too. That whole thing is awful.
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I think the wife just wants to cash out and be done with it as well. I honestly think Sterling is suffering from some sort of Dementia.
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I think the wife just wants to cash out and be done with it as well. I honestly think Sterling is suffering from some sort of Dementia.
I think he wants the last shot. There was a story that he's hired a firm to investigate he league and David Stern. He wants one last punch to the stomach before he goes off and dies.
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If he doesnt return to miami, i think he goes to cleveland or LA Clippers. They are close to championship, and him and chris paul are good friends. Not sure if he wants to go out west however.
I feel like Lebron has only two options:
1. Stay in Miami.
2. Come back to Cleveland.
From a legacy standpoint, I just don't see him playing for three teams in his career as I think that hurts his standing....that Lebron has to go from team to team to get his titles rather than staying in one place and allowing the talent to come to him.
Maybe we're just in a different era of the NBA where the players want to play with each other instead of against each other but all the "greats" played for one, maybe two teams.
The Cavs are in a great position with cap space, the #1 draft pick, young talent like Irving and Waiters. However, we have no coach and an owner who Lebron may still not like.
Miami will be going through some significant changes, and really only have Norris Cole and some other guy set to come back next year if the Big Three opt out. But Riley has worked his magic before, and could be a pain in the side of Cleveland if we pursue James hard this summer.
Again, I think it's Miami or Cleveland. I don't think he wants to be a player that has multiple team jerseys floating around the country...I think it will water down his legacy if he jumps to a third team for 2014-2015.
I really don't want Lebron back in Cleveland.
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Miami wasted their whole clip on getting out to a big lead. San Antonio storms back.
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I've never seen a team this thoroughly owned like Miami has been. San Antonio is far superior than them and they're angry as hell.
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Is this worse than when we played them in the finals and got swept?
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absolutely... we got to the finals on a one man show. Miami was supposed to win not 1... not 2.... not 3.... not 4.... so for them to come up short is very surprising
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Is this worse than when we played them in the finals and got swept?
I think so, given that that team was Lebron and a bunch of "nobodies". This was the "big 3", and they were beat down in every regard.
I had to laugh when the announcers said something about the heat needing to upgrade their bench. They can't, if they keep the "big 3". They won't have the cap room. They have to carefully fit pieces in, and hope that they can find veterans who want one last run, and who will take less money to make that final run at a championship. They aren't going to get players who are in the prime of their career. They might get lucky and get a 38 year old Ray Allen, who still has something to offer ..... but for the most part, their veterans will be just another year older next year ...... and will offer less support to any potential "big 3" combination the Heat might be able to put on the floor.
Man, the Spurs just played such a great series, and had the perfect game plan to beat the Heat. They let Lebron get his, and made sure the rest couldn't beat them.
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 Best there is, best there was, best there ever will be. First class player, first class organization. A role model for the game of basketball. I hope young kids out there witnessed this performance and inspire to be like the Spurs players.
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Only NBA player to ever win a championship in 3 different decades.
Incredible. Just incredible.
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I think they said second player along with Salley.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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This series was crazy. San Antonio just completely unleashed a years worth of anger on Miami. The Heat are lucky this wasn't a sweep.
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Wow Doug Collins..
LeBron is going to stay in Miami because he's loyal? LOL..
And because Miami will bring in "young players" to help build around him? Does he know how the NBA works?
Also LOL at the idea of LeBron and Melo being any better than what they have now.. If LeBron and Wade had to figure out how to play together how the hell are those two ganna?
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The Heat couod have had melo from game 1 and it wouldn't of mattered. Espn acts like hes th7s great playoff performer. Bleep outta here.
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I also find the articles saying LeBron won't let this series effect his decision hilarious...
Uh, of course it will... Miami is NOT A GOOD TEAM... And they are just going to get older and what exactly are they going to reload with?
If you're LeBron, either find the best team in the West and HOPE AND PRAY and Duncan retires, or just find a team in the East with some good young pieces, because whatever team in the East he's on is the best team in the East (sorry Indy, you suck)
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Could this be our Chip Kelly? He is supposed to be a great offensive mind, which I do think that you need in today's NBA. Cleveland Cavaliers will interview David Blatt on Wednesday | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/06/cleveland_cavaliers_will_inter_2.html#incart_m-rpt-1CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Former Maccabi Tel Aviv coach David Blatt will interview with the Cavaliers on Wednesday, an NBA source confirmed on Sunday afternoon. Yahoo Sports was the first to report the day of the interview. That will be a busy day for the Cavs, as Kansas star Andrew Wiggins also is expected to work out for the team that day. Duke's Jabari Parker is expected to work out for the teamon Friday. The Cavs hold the No. 1 pick in the 2014 NBA Draft on June 26. Kansas center Joel Embiid worked out for the team last week. As the Cavs search to replace Mike Brown enters its fifth week, Blatt becomes the seventh known candidate to interview with the positions, following Alvin Gentry, Tyronn Lue, Lionel Hollins, Vinny Del Negro, Adrian Griffin and Mark Price. Gentry and Lue each had a second interview on Friday, though it's unclear if either is considered a front-runner.
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I'd still rather have George Karl..
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Uh, of course it will... Miami is NOT A GOOD TEAM... And they are just going to get older and what exactly are they going to reload with?
If you're LeBron, either find the best team in the West and HOPE AND PRAY and Duncan retires, or just find a team in the East with some good young pieces, because whatever team in the East he's on is the best team in the East (sorry Indy, you suck)
Honestly, if Cleveland wants to have any hope of Lebron returning ... this Finals series was the best thing that could of happened. The Spurs basically exposed the Heat. Lebron was looking like himself back in the Cleveland days, where he was doing everything and not getting much help from anybody else.
I don't think Lebron really WANTED to leave Cleveland, but he saw the writing on the wall. They were a perennial #1 seed (mostly because of Lebron) ... but that meant they couldn't draft any new blood to help improve the team. They also couldn't get any free agents because Cleveland isn't a destination city, and they couldn't get any decent guys through trades, because Cleveland had no assets worth trading. Now, he's looking at a similar situation in Miami. If Miami can't pick up any decent free agents, he might want out again.
And I don't see what the Heat getting Carmello would do for them either. For one thing, they would all have to opt out and take significantly smaller contracts for that to happen. For two, what exactly would that accomplish? They would have two SGs in Wade and Allen and two SF's in Lebron and Anthony. Someone is either playing out of position or not getting minutes. I'm actually wondering if this "Anthony to Miami" talk is happening because Lebron has already let it known that he might be leaving Miami. He might not be going there to join forces with LBJ, he might be going there to replace him.
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Yeah, I don't get the deal with not bringing him in? He seems like the best possible candidate. Didn't he even win coach of the year a few years ago? I don't get why he's not even getting a mention as a possible candidate.
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I'd still rather have George Karl..
Yeah, I don't get the deal with not bringing him in? He seems like the best possible candidate. Didn't he even win coach of the year a few years ago? I don't get why he's not even getting a mention as a possible candidate.
I don't think that I have even see a suggestion that he was going to be interviewed.
Maybe they want to go younger? I dunno.
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Lebron at this point in his career, will probably take the easy way out, and go on another stacked roster.. He just seems like that kind of guy. He definitely has options in Miami. The Spurs big 3 played for peanuts the past few years, so they could bolster their roster. Dwayne Wade could easily pull a Manu Ginobli, and come off the bench as an energy guy in short bursts. That way you could bring in a big, which they desperately need. If I were them, I would encourage Bosh to leave. He is way to soft, and plays like a guard out there. His size is worthless, when he doesn't even attack the hoop anymore. More of a shooter than anything.
Lebron is only 29, so if he wants to stay and retool, I'm sure they could do it. San Antonio went 7 years from winning a championship. That's the beauty of the Spurs. They've been in the playoffs 17 straight years, never attract free agents themselves, but always find talent. Turning George Hill into Kawhi Leonard. No surprise they've won 5 rings.
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Irving/Jack
Waiters/Miles
LeBron/Gee/Bennett
Hawes/Thompson
Embid/Verajao
Yeah it's not perfect, and I'd love to move Verajao for anything really, but if that's not the best team in the East what is?
You take Thompson, Bennett and maybe even Waiters (I like him) and offer them for Love, maybe even throw in NEXT years first..
Kyrie, LeBron, Love, and Embid? Sign me up..
The draft is less than a week before Free Agency begins, not that I'm insinuating on collusion or anything (who'd do that?) but I think who we draft will be a large key on what we think may happen..
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I've been saying it for a while, the day after the decision, Dwyane Wade went on and on about Miami's loyalty to him. We're going to find out how loyal they really are, either this year or next year. Because I believe despite the fact that his age showed in this series, and will going forward, he can still get a max deal in the market. Miami is going to hurt if they give any kind of big contract to him after this one is finished either this summer or next.
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One thing that has gone unnoticed, after the Spurs won no one burned down the city nor was there any sort of fan related chaos. Can't say the same would have occured in other cities.
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personally, I think LeBron opts-in for 1 more year (many more teams will be open this time next year and he'll get to play roster manipulator more too with them).
but, if for some reason he doesn't, then there are many intriguing scenarios (and I am assuming Wade & Bosh opt-in on their deals as they would lose too much $$$ otherwise):
(1) If he wants to go to Houston (Harden & Dwight), then do we help out by taking Asik and Lin off their hands (possibly get some draft picks back for our trouble)?
(2) Will he steal Chicago from Carmelo? (obvious place for Melo as they are a defensive team that needs a go-to scorer with or without Rose)
(3) Could he shock the world and go to what might be the perfect landing spot for him in a major media market with crazy fans that people try to pretend is not a big market? That would be Golden State (and yes, it would require either Miami or another team taking Iggy & David Lee off their hands, but to get Iggy they had to do financial gymnastics, I wouldn't rule it out)
(4) Or will he just try to team up with the best other player in the NBA because he wants to continue to rig the system (could you imagine if he approached Presti? and Miami would have to take Westbrook back, but they would as that is the best possible return they could get for him anyway)
And yes, I put those last 2 examples in there because they are sort of crazy on the surface, but wanted to demonstrate that LeBron would drive it, not the teams. Teams are basically hog-tied on what they can do as you pretty much have to take a player of his caliber and Miami cannot afford to lose him for nothing (and if they get guys back like Iggy or Westbrook plus assets they could keep things competitive in the weak East).
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Before the decision I never thought Lebron would have went to Miami. I thought there would have been too much ego between him and Wade. Who's team is it, who takes the last shot, even who gets announced last.... But Wade ended up taking the back seat.
Going into this summer, you can't take anything off the table.
That includes him opting in for one more year. Battier announced his retirement last night. I think Allen could be next. If he thinks he can get one more run out of this team, why wouldn't he?
As far as Wade opting in because he could lose money, couldn't you easily say he could opt out and get a long term deal that may not be there next summer? I think if Wade went on the market, someone would buck up and throw a ton of cash him... Not saying that's the right thing, just saying that it's possible, and would put Miami in a bit of a bad spot. Either it forces them to try and land another good player to take his spot, or Miami just signed Wade to big money long term.
Something like that leads me to believe that opting in for another year is very possible for LBJ. And if Cleveland were a real possibility for him, it would give them a year to get Wiggins, or Parker, or Embid, or whomever, past their rookie stage.
I'm still betting against a return to Cleveland, but I actually do think it's somewhat realistic.
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It would be team suicide for any team to give Wade a max deal. He will be 33 next year, so a max deal would take him to 37. He looks like Amare to me. On a serious decline, that can't take the grind of a nba season. You might get a year or 2 out of Wade, but in my opinion, his better days are gone.
I think the best bet for him staying in Miami, is for the big 3 to opt out, wade and James take massive paycuts, and use the money to grab Melo, or a big(Kevin Love).
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It would be team suicide for any team to give Wade a max deal. He will be 33 next year, so a max deal would take him to 37. He looks like Amare to me. On a serious decline, that can't take the grind of a nba season. You might get a year or 2 out of Wade, but in my opinion, his better days are gone.
I think the best bet for him staying in Miami, is for the big 3 to opt out, wade and James take massive paycuts, and use the money to grab Melo, or a big(Kevin Love).
This is the NBA though, and teams are known to make horrendous deals... I could see someone throwing money at Wade.
As far as LBJ taking another paycut. You think he does that? I remember Windy saying a year or two ago that he thought Lebron was definitely opting out, and definitely taking a max. He did go back on that this year when he said he thought that LBJ would opt in.
Like I said, everything is on the table.
The only thing I do know is that Cavs absolutely cannot screw up this pick. Screwing up Bennett is bad, but we all knew what that draft was. This draft is one that sets you up for the next 5-7 years at the very least. One way or the other.
I think Parker is my guy, but if they went Wiggins, I'd be ok with that. I don't think you can go wrong with either of them. It just seems like Parker is closer to a finished product.
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Sure teams may throw the money his way, just don't think it would be too wise. I think no matter what happens, Wade probably stays in Miami. He's been there his whole career, has a great relationship with Riley, would be very surprised if he left.
I have no idea what James will do. I believe if he stays in Miami, he will need to take a huge paycut. There's no way they could pay him and Wade 20 million a piece. that's almost 60% of the cap. I think he leaves, just think he is obsessed with passing Jordan, and there's no way he's doing it with Wade and Bosh.
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I didn't realize Duncan only made 10 mil this year.. everyone saying Miami guys "took less" to play together need to shut up...
Duncan, Parker, and Manu combined made less than Kobe this year..
If you have a 100 million dollar shoe deal, why do you need to make 15-20 mil?
What if the Big 3 took 5 mil each? They'd have like 30-40 mil to fill that team instead of just an MLE... What do you REALLY care about?
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I mean he could take the vet's minimum, but I think the union would not be too happy with that.
Over the last week, Sam Amico who writes about the Cavs and the NBA said that he thinks Irving signs the 5 year extension, and he believes Lebron is coming back.
I respect Amico a ton, because he's not really the type to throw around rumors, but wow, that's quite a bit to say.
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One thing that I have really noticed about LBJ and Wade recently is that they don't have the killer desire to be the super hero that Kobe and MJ do. Not to say they aren't fierce competitors, because they are, but they just don't have that Hero complex like the other two do... Which is probably a good thing, because they seem to be enjoying life while Kobe and MJ don't look like it. :P Also my wet-LBJ-Cleveland dream is him coming back this year, taking Embiid, getting Blatt, then watching the Heat self explode for the next 2 years and getting their first round picks 
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I am curious where Parker plays?
Is he a 3? Is he a 4? Is he Anthony Bennett?
I wonder if he'll put in the work necessary to transform his body into an NBA body. His first step is rather ordinary, and he doesn't seem to be as explosive as an elite F prospect should be. He is a good shooter, and seems capable of creating his own shot, but defense is as foreign to him as Russian is to me. I wonder is he'll ever be quick enough to handle NBA SF, or strong enough to handle NBA PF.
Maybe I am just not over Anthony Bennett coming in and flopping like he did .... but Parker really reminds me of Bennett in too many ways for me to be comfortable with him as our pick. I do think that Parker can create his own shot better than Bennett ..... but man, there are a lot of things that look way too similar for me.
Right now, if Embiid's back is OK, then 100% he has to be the pick. If his back does not check out, then I think that Wiggins has to be the pick. I really don't see us taking Parker with the 1st pick.
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Parker can handle the ball a lot better than Bennett.
He can play on the perimeter although he, like all rookies, needs work.
He's not the freak athlete that Wiggins is, and Wiggins seems to have a bigger frame too. He could be a force in a few years when he fills out. Not quite the frame that Lebron had when he was this young kid trapped in a man's body...
I feel like the Cavs are going to take Wiggins. Just my hunch. Hard to say when we still don't even have a coach though.
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