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What if ......... What if he "quietly" talks to Love, and Love says that he would love to play in Cleveland with the roster they have, and especially if Lebron heads back .......? Not that he would ever bend or outright break the rules ...... Lebron heads to Cleveland, and Love comes out and says that he really wants to play there, and that the Cavaliers are the only team he will re-sign with, for sure, if they trade for him. That knocks down his price drastically. We draft Embiid. We could then have a big 3 of Irving, Lebron, and Love, with a promising rookie in Embiid, and either Waiters (unless he is included in a trade for Love) or Jack at the 2 Guard. Sure it's a pure, total pipe dream ...... but I bet that the people in Miami never thought that they would manage to grab Lebron and Bosh to go with Wade in a single off-season. Hey, and we have won the top pick in 3 of the last 4 drafts ...... so maybe our luck is going to turn around ......  lol
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I pretty much agree with you 100%. I think that's what he'll do too. I think Cleveland would be in the fold if they had shown a little more stability this year. If they can get a solid head coaching hire, get Kyrie and Dion sorted in the backcourt, nail this first round pick (and possibly get a rookie of the year), and show some growth with Bennett and Thompson, then maybe Lebron comes back next year. I think he would love to come back home, but he needs a team around him that can show some good potential.
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I pretty much agree with you 100%. I think that's what he'll do too. I think Cleveland would be in the fold if they had shown a little more stability this year. If they can get a solid head coaching hire, get Kyrie and Dion sorted in the backcourt, nail this first round pick (and possibly get a rookie of the year), and show some growth with Bennett and Thompson, then maybe Lebron comes back next year. I think he would love to come back home, but he needs a team around him that can show some good potential.
And I can't blame him. He's smack dab in the middle of his prime. He should go where he can continue to win. The Cavs are way too immature right now. They could still probably win the east, because it's Lebron and because it's the east, but I don't think a group with no playoff experience aside from LBJ and a few role guys could compete with the west. Sounds dumb because you would be in the finals, but Lebron wants titles. He wants multiple, we're still stuck on getting the first.
Now if the Cavs can use this draft pick and get the right guy, and Irving can step it up, and Waiters can step it up to the point of those 2 being able to coexist on the floor together, and maybe there's one more move they could make, then I think it's a serious consideration for him next year.
I just wonder on the other end, after 4 years, does Lebron think they can get back to the finals a 5th straight time? If not, do you think he bails early before things get ugly down there? That to me is more interesting.
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The Cavs aren't getting Love without giving up the #1 pick. People need to get that in their head. What have Waiters, Thompson, and Bennett done to make them so valuable? If that was all they could get for Love then they are better off keeping him for the year.
If you can have a big three of Irving, Love, and James you give up everything to get it and don't try and jack anyone around. That team would then be able to sign any veteran they wanted. And both Irving and Love are young. Scary.
Too bad it's not going to happen.
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Love is still capable of controlling where he goes. If he tells certain teams that he won't re-sign with them, why would they trade for him.
I never say never in the NBA, because screwy stuff happens too frequently.
The Nuggets traded Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks. They also got back Billups and a few guys.
Why did he go to the Knicks? Because that was the team he would sign an extension with. IIRC, that was the only team he wanted to go to.
They sent Chandler (decent) Carter, (decent) Felton, (gone) and Mozgov. (meh)
The Nuggets also got NY's 1st round pick in 2014, 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013, and cash.
Is that a fair trade for a guy of Carmelo Anthony's ability? Not at all. However, he forced hiw way to a team he wanted to go to. If, and granted, it's a huge if, but if Love truly wanted to come to Cleveland, and if the TWolves want to get something for him, he can really force the issue, and a deal could get done without this year's #1 pick. Another team could trade for him and hope ...... but if he came out and said that he wasn't going to re-sign with certain teams, then why would they give up big assets to get him for a one year rental?
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The Cavs aren't getting Love without giving up the #1 pick. People need to get that in their head. What have Waiters, Thompson, and Bennett done to make them so valuable? If that was all they could get for Love then they are better off keeping him for the year.
If you can have a big three of Irving, Love, and James you give up everything to get it and don't try and jack anyone around. That team would then be able to sign any veteran they wanted. And both Irving and Love are young. Scary.
Too bad it's not going to happen.
Right. If KL agreed to sign an extension in Cleveland, I would trade the #1 overall for him in a second because I think that would draw Lebron back to Cleveland (with Kyrie signing his extension too). That's a big 3 that can probably get to the conference finals next year guaranteed.
But like you said, that's not gonna happen. And unfortunately, that's really the only scenario Lebron comes back because I don't think he can assume the #1 overall pick works out.
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Love is still capable of controlling where he goes. If he tells certain teams that he won't re-sign with them, why would they trade for him.
To make that one year run at a title. Maybe he has a change of heart. Worst case scenario is that you have to S&T him and maybe you get something in return, I guess it would depend on what you would initially be giving up when you initially trade for him.
The Lakers went after Howard without any guarantee of resigning.
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Love is still capable of controlling where he goes. If he tells certain teams that he won't re-sign with them, why would they trade for him.
To make that one year run at a title. Maybe he has a change of heart. Worst case scenario is that you have to S&T him and maybe you get something in return, I guess it would depend on what you would initially be giving up when you initially trade for him.
The Lakers went after Howard without any guarantee of resigning.
And look what that did to them. They are a disaster now, with little hope of digging out any time soon. However, though, they basically gave up Andrew Bynum to get Howard. Neither guy would have helped them much, as things turned out. They also gave up 1 or 2 first round picks, (I'm not sure whether that second 1st rounder came from the Lakers or the Knicks based on the article I looked up) and a 2nd round pick.
These big deals always seem to be 3-4 team trades anymore as well. If a team gives up future 1st round picks, they have to be betting that those picks will be low picks, and many even have conditions based on the place in the draft.
I think that the Cavaliers could still manage to out together a deal that does not include this year's #1 pick to acquire Love. Is it probable? No. Is it possible, though? Sure. I see no reason why the Cavaliers couldn't be the team to put together one of these kind of deals. If they were willing to give up a couple of guys and a couple of future picks, I think that they could out a deal together.
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God thoughts on Love, Irving and LeBron. IF it can be done, do it. Don't fret over the #1 pick or cost. And agreed, its not happening.
From another angle, can this all be done in 2015 instead? I think Lebron has the option to stay in Miami in 2014 and re-visit this next year. Love could possibly be a 2015 free agent as well. Plus, there will be more free agents in 2015.
The Cavs could potentially use 2014 to even further setup for "next year." Another #1 overall, clear more cap room, and yes, possibly another Lottery Pick.
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They could still probably win the east, because it's Lebron and because it's the east, but I don't think a group with no playoff experience aside from LBJ and a few role guys could compete with the west
Because Miami totally competed this past week, and obviously will only get better with age and low level vets...
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really this team is no further along than they were when Lebron left.
That's a little extreme. Seriously, look at the Cavs 2011 roster, we had D League guys starting... Our best player was JJ Freaking Hickson.. If you don't think this teams better, than I don't know what to tell you..
Is it perfect? No, But you don't think having a guy like LeBron (and maybe a coach like Karl, just saying) to reign them in won't make them better?
Kyrie, Dion, LeBron, Embid is a Top 3 team in the East, if not the best team, because without LeBron what is Miami? Who knows what Indy will look like..
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Bottom Line on LeBron...Gilbert should have kept his mouth shut after "The Decision."
So the guy that got ZERO professional courtesy about knowing his franchise was about to lose half it's value, and didn't find out till half an hour before the decision is the only person who isn't allowed to be upset?
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They could still probably win the east, because it's Lebron and because it's the east, but I don't think a group with no playoff experience aside from LBJ and a few role guys could compete with the west
Because Miami totally competed this past week, and obviously will only get better with age and low level vets...
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really this team is no further along than they were when Lebron left.
That's a little extreme. Seriously, look at the Cavs 2011 roster, we had D League guys starting... Our best player was JJ Freaking Hickson.. If you don't think this teams better, than I don't know what to tell you..
Is it perfect? No, But you don't think having a guy like LeBron (and maybe a coach like Karl, just saying) to reign them in won't make them better?
Kyrie, Dion, LeBron, Embid is a Top 3 team in the East, if not the best team, because without LeBron what is Miami? Who knows what Indy will look like..
1. You're right that they fell apart this year, but they've also been to the last four finals and won half of them.
2. I don't think I'm being extreme. This team has yet to play a playoff game since Lebron left, and the east has been awful every single year.
Yes, the roster may seem better, but we're still in the lottery every year.
Don't get me wrong. I believe the potential of the roster is the silver lining in all of this, but still, we have nothing to show for it. I'm so sick of talking about what these guys could potentially be. When are we actually going to see it?
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If I'm LeBron, I in no certain words tell the Cavs, Draft Embid, Trade whatever you have to besides him and Kyrie to get Love, I'll be there next season...
Gives Kyrie and Love a year to gel, Embid a year to get up to speed, and LeBron a final year in Miami to go for 5 straight Finals and 3 out of 4...
Then have LeBron JOIN the TEAM (key words) that's already in place and boom, you're the best team in the East for the next 3-5 years...
I mean, the NBA obviously doesn't give a crap about collusion, so we might as well use that to our advantages...
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The "I'm really bored and my imagination kind of got away from me" Draft Scenario!
Bucks want Embid, Offer the #1 for #2 and OJ Mayo...
Philly really wants Wiggins, Offer the #2 for #3 and #10..
Draft Parker at 3.
Trade the #10, Thompson, and Bennett for Kevin Love..
Resign Hawes.
Final Roster
Kyrie/Jack
Mayo/Waiters
Parker/Gee
Love/Varejao
Hawes/Zeller
Ok I'm done..
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That's the worst defensive team in the NBA
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That's the worst defensive team in the NBA
And probably a 3 seed in the East...
Has realignment been brought up? Cause god the East is awful...
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This board has a tendency of assembling 'dream teams' that would let up 120 a night.
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Love is still capable of controlling where he goes.
I would be very surprised if he doesn't end up in Boston.
The only way he ends up here is if LBJ orchestrates it.
...Or Griffin and Gilbert are as clueless as Lloyd Christmas and sell the farm for a one year rental.
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What would he have to look forward to in Boston?
They are a major rebuilding project too.
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What would he have to look forward to in Boston?
The fact that it's the Boston freaking Celtics.
That team strips and retools constantly.
Why?
Because they're a basketball dynasty in a great city with a die-hard fan base.
In today's NBA you're only as bad as your cap clog and your destination attractiveness. The Celtics are a bit clogged, but it's not fatal and they've got assets and attractiveness.
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They do have a ton of future picks .... but we both know that in most drafts the cream is at the very top, and things fall off to role play status after that.
They have a first from Philly, but that is protected, and if they don't beat the protection this year, then it becomes a 2nd next year. Most, as seems the case in today's NBA, have weird conditions and protections.
They did a great job of dumping the old players from their roster, but what they have left is rather unimpressive.
Love is on record as saying that he wouldn't mind playing in Cleveland, and he likes the young talent the team has assembled. I don't recall hearing him say much, if anything, about going to the Celtics. The Celtics do look many years away ...... even if they were to get Love. I don't see what they have as an upgrade over what he has played with in Minnesota.
I know that he went to Boston to visit someone he knew ..... but that doesn't mean that he would want to go there to play. Further, the Celtics would have to clear salary room just to fit Love in. They are at $59 million with 12 players under contract. The salary cap is $59 million for this tear. (and will rise some for next year, but I don't know how much) The luxury tax threshold is $77 million for next year, IIRC. Love does only make $15 million next year, so he would fit ..... but again, they would struggle to add much around him. He would likely b on the TWolves II next year in Boston.
I get that it's the Celtics ...... but is that enough of a draw for a guy who wants to win?
The Cavaliers are at $46 million, with everyone except Hawes and Miles under contract from last year. IIRC, Gee is not guaranteed for next year. and Varejao is only partially guaranteed. They could fairly easily clear enough room to add Love and a max deal, without completely gutting the team. They would still have solid pieces to put around them, and if they could get Love without giving up their $1 overall pick, that would be even more true.
I think that the Cavaliers are at least 2-3 years ahead of the Celtics, and are a far more attractive destination for a top flight player who wants to win.
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I get that it's the Celtics ...... but is that enough of a draw for a guy who wants to win?
Sure.
If you're talking about the Celtics or Lakers, the only thing stopping them from attracting premium talent is a clogged cap.
As long as you've got the flexibility, players will want to play there.
Kevin Love going to an unstable situation in Boston is a brighter future than an unstable situation in Cleveland. Boston has more pull as far as players gravitating to it. It's a lot easier to piece together a winner there. You can do it in FA. The Cavs are reliant on the draft. We're not that attractive of a city or an organization.
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I don't recall hearing him say much, if anything, about going to the Celtics.
Kevin Love visits Boston
The Celtics have a great organization from the top down (something the Cavs don't have), a great coach (something the Cavs don't have), and they have Rajon Rondo. All three of those things are pretty appealing. They will also have enough cap room to sign whoever they want in a few years. I would choose them over the dysfunctional Cavs every time.
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They have a great college coach, who is largely unproven in the NBA, (in his 1 season) and who many have concerns about regarding his ability to handle veterans.
They have Rondo, when he can play .... which hasn't been much over the past 3 years. He has played 120 out of a possible 246 games (regular season) over the past 3 seasons. The Celtics are reportedly trying to trade him as well ..... so maybe he's not a great lure.
As far as the article.... he visited Boston, went to a bar, hung out with some Pats players ...... and that's about it. Maybe there's more ..... maybe not. He really can't do much as far as meeting with anyone with the Celtics.
Maybe he wants to go there .... who knows? I just don't see them as a great destination for a player who wants to win immediately. There are only so many great players who can opt out of contracts every year, and it seems like 2 of the best might be out this year. (Lebron and Carmelo) Love can opt out of his player's option next year. Who else is likely to be available in the next couple of years who is a top flight player? If Love goes to Boston, he is likely to remain the superstar n a so-so team for a while longer.
From what I can tell, guys who might be considered at or near superstar status, and who will, or might, be available this year or next are:
Lebron
Carmelo
Bosh
Wade
Love
That's about it.I didn't see any other real stars. Wade is questionable due to age and decline, and Bosh isn't really in the same ballpark as the others. Carmelo will almost certainly make a move this year. Maybe Lebron stays in Miami this year, or maybe he makes a move. Who knows? My point (or question) is; What top superstar types will be available in the next couple of years. Now teams can win with great fit players, as the Spurs did ..... but that takes more time, and most superstar players seem to want to look for the quicker fix. If Love wants to go to a team with talent, and ready to win if he is added to what they already have, is that the Celtics? He may have to play, and try to win, with what they have now, and what they can draft. There may be pieces available ...... but not the top pieces that teams covet most.
I do think that the Cavaliers are an attractive destination, as long as they hire a good coach. They have a star level player in Irving, and lots of competent, quality players. They can add a top player like Embiid in the draft, who could be that 2nd superstar. They have plenty of cap space to add 1-2 top players to a good, young core. I think that they could be the top destination for a star player. (or 2) I think that it can be argued that they are a better option than even the Celtics.
Sure, I'm a homer ..... but I do think that a strong case can be made for the Cavaliers.
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Because they're a basketball dynasty in a great city with a die-hard fan base.
lol, before the big 3 arrived, their attendance was laughable. Give the cavs fans some credit. They have been outdrawing quite a few playoff teams despite the fact that they have had nothing to root for since 2010.
I do get what you're saying though. Boston has an absurd, downright annoying pedigree of winning, and the Celtics are no different. I think they have won a title in every decade outside of the 90's. They have an impressive array in their rafters of retired numbers and championship banners. They're the Green Bay Packers of the NBA.
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Sure, I'm a homer ..... but I do think that a strong case can be made for the Cavaliers.
Sure, a strong case can be made for the Cavs. Unfortunately there's also the 45 or so years of history that says that star players in their prime don't sign with the Cavs and don't force their way to the Cavs in a trade either. I know the popular line is that Lebron didn't do enough to recruit but I think that's a self-serving excuse more than anything.
Lebron won't sign here in free agency, and Kevin Love isn't going to force his way here in a trade. I would put huge money on that (oh wait...)
The Cavs are actually in a pretty good position and that has more to do with ping pong balls than anything else. Draft Embiid or Wiggins and follow the OKC/Indiana/San Antonio model of drafting well and re-signing your own key players. The Cavs aren't going to be able to acquire superstars like the Lakers can via free agency and lopsided trades/possible backroom deals. Sorry for the ice cold dose of reality but that's just how it is.
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Perhaps ...... then again ..... until anything happens ..... anything can happen. 
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I prefaced everything with it being far fetched. This is an internet message board though, fans can dream.
What are we supposed to do, sit here and talk about the future of Tyler Zeller?
And really, it seems like there is this wave of positive energy flowing through Cleveland sports. Indians getting Francona, finishing off the year with 10 straight. The Browns pulled off a massive draft day, including possibly setting themselves up for another one next year. The Cavs somehow got the first pick, AGAIN.
You never really know. I just think it's a bit far fetched because right now we don't even have a coach, and the draft is a week from today?
Assuming LBJ goes with the 1 more year route with the Heat, I'll feel a lot better talking about his return if they nail this pick, and guys like Irving, Thompson, Waiters, Bennett, etc. step their game up.
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'Report: LeBron James, annoyed with Micky Arison, not ready to commit to Heat' http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...partner=ya5nbcsDan Feldman Jun 19, 2014, 9:55 AM EDT LeBron James reportedly doesn’t want to take a salary cut in order to save Heat owner Micky Arison money. That’s apparently not a new concern. It’s been festering. The Heat paid the luxury tax the previous two years, and they’ll pay it again this season. But in the last year, they’ve really dialed back their spending. They amnestied Mike Miller. Instead of using a draft pick to upgrade their roster, they used it as a sweetener to unload Joel Anthony’s contract. They didn’t use the mid-level exception, their primary tool for adding another rotation-caliber player. Miami has allowed its roster to stagnate and age, creating a lack of depth really showed in the Finals. If the Heat had spent more to build a deeper team, maybe they’d be NBA champions – and not waiting on a mum LeBron. Brian Windhorst of ESPN: "a victory for the Heat at this stage likely means getting James to commit for one more season. Again, this is not ideal. When that infamous “not five, not six …” speech was delivered, James was under the impression that he would be staying in Miami for a second long-term contract. Despite a strong and historic run, James isn’t ready to commit to that given the current state of the team. "The Heat are the favorites; this is not in question. But there is a window of doubt due to the way the season ended, Wade’s health and some bitterness James harbors that Micky Arison put the brakes on spending over the past year. "That is why his most likely path is to opt out of his contract after the draft so that he will maximize his flexibility while putting teams on the clock. "This would force the Heat to take action on the free-agent market to improve the roster and, essentially, spend money even though they are facing significant luxury-tax penalties. It would also buy time for James to meet with other teams and examine plans and for rival teams to make trades or signings to potentially make them more attractive. Some deals are more likely to happen in July rather than in late June. Like Windhorst, I believe LeBron will stay with the Heat, the odds-on favorite to keep him. Nearly all the reasons he signed with Miami in 2010 remain in place. But this is absolutely a time to apply pressure. Chasing Carmelo Anthony has been presented as a way to upgrade the roster. But if Miami creates cap room to sign him, there’s nearly no way they’ll pay the luxury tax season. It’s just too difficult, under Collective Bargaining Agreement Rules, to dip that far below the salary cap and then exceed the luxury-tax line within a single year. It’s not coincidence the Heat didn’t pay the tax in their first year with LeBron, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Really, a run at Melo is a great stealth way to trim payroll. In 2015-16, especially if LeBron signs a reduced one-year contract this summer and then sought to re-up for a max deal once Melo was in the fold, the tax hit could be large. But maybe by then, Arison will have found other ways to trim salary. Would LeBron give Arison a year’s cushion on the hope spending increased the following year? LeBron could opt out now, and that would really apply pressure on the Heat. But if they’re not motivated already, something is wrong. The big three, especially LeBron, generate a lot of revenue for Arison. That doesn’t mean Arison must spend like the Nets to appease them, but quite likely, being thrifty and losing LeBron would be a net loss. LeBron is just reminding Arison of that fact. If he opts out to really hammer it home, so be it. (end)
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Stay away from Embiid Joel Embiid, considered the front-runner to be the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA draft, has suffered a right foot injury, his agent and his mentor both confirmed to ESPN.com on Thursday. "He suffered a foot injury to his right foot, sometime over the last few days,'' agent Arn Tellem told ESPN's Andy Katz by phone Thursday. "He's getting evaluations from various doctors and experts in the field. We'll know more Friday.'' [ Luc Mbah a Moute, who is overseas, was not certain as to the extent of the injury. "I just heard he got hurt," Mbah a Moute said. "He may have broken it," one source told ESPN. Embiid was scheduled to work out for Milwaukee Bucks, who hold the second overall pick, later this week. However, Tellem said Embiid would not be making the trip. Embiid, a 7-foot native of Cameroon, was already dealing with health questions regarding his back, which forced him to miss the Big 12 and NCAA tournament. He worked out for the Cleveland Cavaliers earlier this month -- who have the No. 1 overall pick in the June 26 draft -- and sources said he fared well and the medical testing also came back without much concern. Embiid also participated in a 1-on-0 workout in front of NBA teams in Santa Monica, Calif. Embiid averaged 11.2 points, 8.1 rebounds and 2.6 blocks this past season as a freshman at Kansas. Cleveland could also opt to select Duke freshman Jabari Parker or Kansas wing Andrew Wiggins with the No. 1 overall pick. ESPN's Andy Katz contributed to this report. http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11107087/joel-embiid-suffers-foot-injury-prior-nba-draft
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That almost makes me think we're taking him.
When's the last time and agent talked openly with the media about prospect's injury just before the draft?
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I don't know. If it's broken, you have to pass. We had Z, and his bad feet over the years. Take Parker or Wiggins. Maybe he got hurt at our workout, I am not sure.
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I'm going to be ill if we take Parker. I'm not even sure I'd take Carmello at this point, and he's a veteran version of Parker.
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If we don't take Embiid, then I think that we have to take Wiggins.
Parker shouldn't even be in the conversation for the 1st pick IMHO.
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Wiggins is more of a fit. We need defense,and he could supply that, plus he has the potential to score 20-25pt per game. The scouts really like Parker over Wiggins though. Think he is more polished offensively, and has the personality to be a superstar. Lots of scouts question, whether Wiggins has the alpha male personality to be great. Don't think the Cavs could go wrong either way.
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I've thought Wiggins was the best pick all along anyway. Embiid just screws the next Oden to me. And anyway, it's a wing game in the NBA now. Centers are nice to haves, but aren't necessary.
Take the BPA, don't worry about need. So Wiggins is the guy in my book.
Something tells me the Cavs will still draft Embiid, despite having a back and foot problem. So very "Cavs" of them.
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Perhaps ...... then again ..... until anything happens ..... anything can happen.
I prefaced everything with it being far fetched. This is an internet message board though, fans can dream.
What are we supposed to do, sit here and talk about the future of Tyler Zeller?
And really, it seems like there is this wave of positive energy flowing through Cleveland sports. Indians getting Francona, finishing off the year with 10 straight. The Browns pulled off a massive draft day, including possibly setting themselves up for another one next year. The Cavs somehow got the first pick, AGAIN.
You never really know. I just think it's a bit far fetched because right now we don't even have a coach, and the draft is a week from today?
Assuming LBJ goes with the 1 more year route with the Heat, I'll feel a lot better talking about his return if they nail this pick, and guys like Irving, Thompson, Waiters, Bennett, etc. step their game up.
Yes, let's talk about the future of Tyler Zeller. And Kyrie Irving. And Dion Waiters, Thompson, the #1 pick, etc. I don't have a problem with doing what ifs but the reality is that fans of 30 teams all have visions of grandeur where they land James and another superstar to go along with all of their young talent then dominate the league for the next ten years. What's the point of discussing a possible trade where you offer the #10 pick and unload some of your draft picks that "you're not happy with" for Kevin Love... who's only 25 years old and arguably a top 3 player in the league. I don't even think that's enough to get the trade done in NBA2K.
The team actually does have a bright future (or rather, the possibility of a bright future), the Spurs just dominated a series where they played literally the best basketball I have ever seen... there's plenty of good stuff to talk about without it devolving into Lebron, Lebron, Lebron. I'm not singling you out... just general comments, that's all. But seriously, people need to stop torturing themselves whenever a superstar hits free agency. Just cross the Cavs off the list of possible destinations and you will be right every single time.
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Riley's press conference today was so ironic that it was sad.
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Yea, he wasn't calling Lebron out when he ran from Cleveland to Miami. Hope that franchise loses all 3, and they are left with nothing. Riley is pure slime..
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How do you mean?
I wasn't able to watch it.
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