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I don't have cable so I ended up watching it at a sports bar (BW3s) in town. It was pretty packed and the place blew up for Brooks' goal. It was pretty awesome. Nice to see US soccer fans turn out even for the first game.
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her is a nice little niblet on our chances to get out of the group stage, and get to the knockout rounds. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-u...ainst-portugal/ Quote:
Here’s the Americans’ outlook, in brief:
Win twice, advance to the knockout stage.
Win once and draw once, advance.
Draw twice, advance.
Win once and lose once, almost certainly advance (there’s one highly unlikely mathematical exception).
Lose twice, and almost certainly go out (there’s one highly unlikely mathematical exception).
Draw once and lose once, and it gets complicated. It’s considerably better for the U.S. to draw against Portugal and lose to Germany than the other way around.
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Draw once and lose once, and it gets complicated. It’s considerably better for the U.S. to draw against Portugal and lose to Germany than the other way around.
This is what I see happening too. I love Team USA, but yesterday's game reminded me of past world cups and international games. Ghana seemed to have the ball most of the game. It's much easier to get some offense in when you have the ball, lol. Also, having the ball makes things much easier on your defense too.
I watched Germany, they seemed to have the ball the whole time vs Portugal, some of that might have had to do with that red card that guy, Pepe got. But overall, Germany was very good at getting the ball back, and holding onto the ball when they had it. They didn't have silly turnovers like USA, they were proficient in passing the ball and getting open.
So I'm thinking, we draw Portugal, lose to Germany. Make it through. As Ghana beats/draws Portugal and loses to Germany.
Then we pray that we face a crappy team in the first round of knockout, and afterwards, hope that miracles happen for us. But, good teams play poorly, and great things do happen.
Look at today, Brazil went to a draw with Mexico. We've beaten Mexico at their own field (probably the worst places to play in anywhere. Such a dirty hostile fanbase in that stadium). So, anything can happen.
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Couldn't you easily say the US scoring so early made the possession differential seem worse. Seems like in soccer when a team gets behind a goal, they tend to press more, and therefore will have the ball more. I think the US really packed it in too and played conservative when Altidore went down.
I dunno, Mexico drew with Brazil today, and the US has been better than Mexico all through qualifying.
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Mexico's goalie played lights out today. I highly doubt that the US could produce similar results.
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Couldn't you easily say the US scoring so early made the possession differential seem worse. Seems like in soccer when a team gets behind a goal, they tend to press more, and therefore will have the ball more.
Sometimes. USA seemed more than willing to go into a defensive shell after that goal and try to protect the lead for the next 89.5 minutes.
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Funny stuff. 
I had CBS Sports on the radio driving to work today, and they were pretty invested in the soccer angle - which is fine. Its not my cup of tea, but I don't mind if they want to cover it. What I do mind though, is when the guy reading baseball scores says "The Dodgers beat the Rockies 8-nil. Come on, man!
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I've actually listened to Mike and Mike for more than 20 seconds this week...
Usually when I get in my car to leave in the morning, I flip it on to see if they are talking about Cleveland, especially lately with us having the first pick, and Johnny Manziel, etc..
But they have talked quite a bit about the WC and Team USA's run. It's been nice to listen to. Something different. Not the same Yankees-Red Sox-Lebron/Heat-Tebow-Jets talk that it is every day.
I'm pretty excited for Sunday, although it blows that I'm probably going to have to leave in the second half, because I have a game at 7:50 (USA plays at 5 my time) and I have to leave a full hour before puckdrop because of how far the rink is...
Sounds like Altidore is officially out for Sunday.
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I think Alexi, whats his name, said hed be shocked if he played against Germany
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Anyone watch Costa Rica vs Italy? My g/f was born in Costa Rica, so we went to the bar to watch the game.
I can't stand Italy's Soccer Team, and she's a pretty big supporter of Team USA, so Costa Rica is my number two team now. Man, quite the game. Costa Rica has something going for them. They play very well (as a team) and they really have about four guys who are world class players. One, above all, that seems to hold the team together and do everything. Brian Ruiz.
I've watched a fair amount of Costa Rica because of her, and they have really been clicking the past two games. Love to see a country of 5 million people kick butt, especially vs Italy.
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I'm Italian and I'm not even really a fan of their team.
Quite a showing for the CONCACAF so far though huh?
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The Italians seemed to be flopping a lot more than other teams. I can accept a certain amount of flopping because it's part of the game, in fact, it's part of a lot of sports, but they seem to go to the ground in agony more than normal.
I've always felt that the WC and other big leagues should do something about it. And it doesn't have to be during the game. Have a group of anti-flopping officials review the tape of every game, if they see a guy grabbing his face when it wasn't hit, that's a retroactive yellow card and a potential fine (league play only). In the WC, that would be huge because players would be missing games (not sure how each Euro league handles the accumulation of yellows throughout the season).
But overall, most of the games so far have been very good. Very few ties and teams are still pressing when they have a 1 goal lead.
And one more comment about the Costa Rican win. They had 4 WC wins before the start of this tournament. The Italians had 4 WC titles. And they beat them up. Good win for them.
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A lot of dives, but the ref didn't call anything which is how it should be played. Though future AC Milan star striker*, Joel Campbell, got robbed. Unfortunately Italy just played really poorly today and completely undisciplined. Super Mario had a few good looks, but just couldn't convert.
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The Italians seemed to be flopping a lot more than other teams. I can accept a certain amount of flopping because it's part of the game, in fact, it's part of a lot of sports, but they seem to go to the ground in agony more than normal.
This I've noticed. That and when Zidane headbutted the Italian guy in 2006 final. I mean, to get someone to do that at that moment, you really have to say something awful. I guess Italy won the headgame in that instance and was victorious. But if Zidane was going to get kicked out, he should have just pummeled the guy.
Anyway, between that and 2010 when they seemed to be flopping a lot and just being dirty players, I really have a bad taste for the Italian Soccer Team. Doesn't mean I hate Italians, I just don't like their team.
I feel the same way about Mexico in the CONCACAF Cup, although a lot of it's dislike of their fanbase as well (and mostly toward those that watch the games at Azteca Stadium).
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Campbell definitely got robbed though. It's as if the ref was checking out a hot chick in the crowd or something. I mean, I don't know how he missed it. Then later in the game, Campbell was getting bullied by two guys, finally he pushed them and grabbed another's shirt. I dunno how he didn't get a red or yellow card. Might have been a makeup no-call or something. But Costa Rica saw he was letting his emotions get to him, and they took him right out
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Well that sucked.
Sure did. Man, a draw never felt so bad
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Well that sucked.
Sure did. Man, a draw never felt so bad
I feel like we lost 10-2. Ugh.
Those two points will probably haunt us.
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I thought only teams from Ohio ended games that way.
That's why we have real football, not futbol.
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Those two points will probably haunt us.
I hope not, but we're still in good shape. If either Germany/US or Ghana/Portugal end in a draw, we're through. If we lose, we should pull for Portugal to win a close one. They have to make up a 5 goal differential to beat us in the tie-breaker.
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I wonder if Jurgen can call the German coach and "arrange" for a tie on Thursday. We'd both advance and they'd win the Group.
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Just to get this correct...
Our head to head with Ghana wouldn't be the deciding factor, it would be goal differential? (in the event we lose to Germany and they beat Portugal)
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Yup, GD is the first tiebreaker.
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Do any of you guys coach soccer or at least know strategy?
I watch a lot of soccer, but I wouldn't say I'm schooled on the strategy...
I just don't understand why with a few minutes left, your players don't just stay on their own side of the field. Kind of like a neutral zone trap in hockey. They let Ronaldo get out and he put up a picture perfect pass and we only had 2 guys back. I just don't get that. Why not as a team, get everyone to not cross that center line?
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I think it's a way to stop the play from developing. Giving them free access to your end of the field is just as bad as trapping a little higher maybe.
I was just ticked they weren't bombing it down the field every chance they got, in the last minute. Get it out of bounds, make them throw it in, and the time will run out. Ugh.
That felt like a 4th quarter loss to the Steelers. I'm still not feeling well.
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It sucked, but at the same time, I think if you put a win against Ghana and a tie against Portual on the table before this thing began, you'd have signed up for it.
This group is so tough. I know we don't have the skill or the depth, but I really feel like they can play with just about anyone. Don't get me wrong, the odds are against them, but I really thought they looked better than their FIFA ranking yesterday... They dominated the ball, the created so many good chances. Really, one dumb play to start the game, and then whatever you call that last play kept them from looking like a top 5 squad.
For my money, the Netherlands looks like the team to beat right now. With their experience in the last few cups, and the way they can score, that's who I would put my money on right now... Although there are a few other teams that are right up there with them, Chile, Columbia, France..
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I watch a lot of soccer, but I wouldn't say I'm schooled on the strategy...
I just don't understand why with a few minutes left, your players don't just stay on their own side of the field. Kind of like a neutral zone trap in hockey. They let Ronaldo get out and he put up a picture perfect pass and we only had 2 guys back. I just don't get that. Why not as a team, get everyone to not cross that center line?
Think of it in a hockey perspective. If you are up a goal do you put your five skaters in the defensive zone and let them shoot away at you?The best defense is not stopping the ball, it is stopping the ball and moving it upfield.
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I just don't understand why with a few minutes left, your players don't just stay on their own side of the field. Kind of like a neutral zone trap in hockey. They let Ronaldo get out and he put up a picture perfect pass and we only had 2 guys back. I just don't get that. Why not as a team, get everyone to not cross that center line?
Think of it in a hockey perspective. If you are up a goal do you put your five skaters in the defensive zone and let them shoot away at you?The best defense is not stopping the ball, it is stopping the ball and moving it upfield.
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No, but I would also not have my guys deep in the offensive zone, and my defensemen would not be pinching at all.. Basically I would have them clog the neutral zone, especially with a minute or two left.
I just don't understand the concept of letting a player of Ronaldo's caliber get out in the open field, and allow him to send a ball into that area with only two guys back. I'm not saying have all of them just sit in front of the goal, but I think someone should have told them to not cross the center line. Just stay around mid-field and get ready to defend. That way you can at least get your legs going as they try their attack. With a minute left it just would have been my strategy.
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I watch a lot of soccer, but I wouldn't say I'm schooled on the strategy...
I just don't understand why with a few minutes left, your players don't just stay on their own side of the field. Kind of like a neutral zone trap in hockey. They let Ronaldo get out and he put up a picture perfect pass and we only had 2 guys back. I just don't get that. Why not as a team, get everyone to not cross that center line?
Think of it in a hockey perspective. If you are up a goal do you put your five skaters in the defensive zone and let them shoot away at you?The best defense is not stopping the ball, it is stopping the ball and moving it upfield.
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No, but I would also not have my guys deep in the offensive zone, and my defensemen would not be pinching at all.. Basically I would have them clog the neutral zone, especially with a minute or two left.
I just don't understand the concept of letting a player of Ronaldo's caliber get out in the open field, and allow him to send a ball into that area with only two guys back. I'm not saying have all of them just sit in front of the goal, but I think someone should have told them to not cross the center line. Just stay around mid-field and get ready to defend. That way you can at least get your legs going as they try their attack. With a minute left it just would have been my strategy.
I did not watch the game, so I have no idea what formation we were using at that point. But yeah someone blew an assignment there. Will have to go try to watch a replay of it to figure who got sucked in
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I did not watch the game, so I have no idea what formation we were using at that point. But yeah someone blew an assignment there. Will have to go try to watch a replay of it to figure who got sucked in
I saw two major things. Jermaine Jones went down with a leg cramp about 3 minutes into stoppage. We didn't take him out, I don't know if we had no subs, or what. But he was cramping. He would have put pressure on Ronaldo.
The main line of defense fell apart, but the guy on that side, covering the scorer (who let the scorer get in front of him) was Cameron. He's the one who wifted on the ball and allowed the first goal. But the whole defense is responsible. They should have been closer together, and never let a player get in front of you. Donavan said, while he doesn't play defense, that is the main thing you know to do as a defender. Don't let anyone get in front of you in an end of the game situation. Total breakdown on the whole defense, major breakdown by Cameron (twice in one match).
I do blame Klinsmen for not taking Jones off the field (although we might not have had an option). And Michael Bradley shouldn't have lost the ball where he did (middle of the field, then passed out wide on a break, then crossed to a breaking forward who was in perfect position to receive the cross ahead of the defense)
Great play by Portugal but a major breakdown by Team USA and the closest defender, Cameron (which was the case for both goals)
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In soccer ... "offsides" is determined by your last defender. He's kind of like your moving blue-line. If they move up-field, they are sort of shortening the amount of space their offense can operate in. It also exposes you to a well timed offensive pass that can get a guy behind your defense ... so yeah, you usually don't do it when you're trying to hang on by one.
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I totally get that, but what is the benefit to having your guys well past the center line? Why not have most of them on your side of the field, clogging up passing lanes, etc... Esp when there is a few minutes left of stoppage time?
If someone gets out on the wing to put in a cross, at least you have your bodies in the box to defend. I would seem to take that over the situation that arose with Ronaldo crossing to 1 guy being defended by 2.
Don't get me wrong, Ronaldo's cross was world class. It had to be perfect and it was.
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Best defense is a good offense. If you can keep moving the ball around in the offensive end, then they can't score without the ball. And if they get the ball, their offensive players can't be any further then your last defender, so they would have to run half the field to get into scoring position. That said, the US is terrible at keeping possession and keeping up with fast strikers.
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Best defense is a good offense. If you can keep moving the ball around in the offensive end, then they can't score without the ball. And if they get the ball, their offensive players can't be any further then your last defender, so they would have to run half the field to get into scoring position. That said, the US is terrible at keeping possession and keeping up with fast strikers.
That's the other thinking. They had 2 or 3 chances in Portugal's end to set up a corner, and instead tried to burn time and end up turning it over. I mean if you're down there you might as well throw something at the net, they were racing back toward our end on counters anyway.
Oh well. No sense dwelling on it. Let's just win Thursday.
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Best defense is a good offense. If you can keep moving the ball around in the offensive end, then they can't score without the ball. And if they get the ball, their offensive players can't be any further then your last defender, so they would have to run half the field to get into scoring position. That said, the US is terrible at keeping possession and keeping up with fast strikers.
That's the other thinking. They had 2 or 3 chances in Portugal's end to set up a corner, and instead tried to burn time and end up turning it over. I mean if you're down there you might as well throw something at the net, they were racing back toward our end on counters anyway.
Oh well. No sense dwelling on it. Let's just win Thursday.
we have a couple days to dwell on it.
anyway, I wondered the same thing when we were stuck in the corner. why not kick the ball off the defender to setup a corner kick. not only is it a scoring chance, but just lining up the corner kick and the ensuing play usually takes a bunch of time off the clock.
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Best defense is a good offense. If you can keep moving the ball around in the offensive end, then they can't score without the ball. And if they get the ball, their offensive players can't be any further then your last defender, so they would have to run half the field to get into scoring position. That said, the US is terrible at keeping possession and keeping up with fast strikers.
That's the other thinking. They had 2 or 3 chances in Portugal's end to set up a corner, and instead tried to burn time and end up turning it over. I mean if you're down there you might as well throw something at the net, they were racing back toward our end on counters anyway.
Oh well. No sense dwelling on it. Let's just win Thursday.
we have a couple days to dwell on it.
anyway, I wondered the same thing when we were stuck in the corner. why not kick the ball off the defender to setup a corner kick. not only is it a scoring chance, but just lining up the corner kick and the ensuing play usually takes a bunch of time off the clock.
Yup, and don't even kick it into the goal area. Just kick it to a nearby guy and operate from there. The whole set up burns off 20-30 seconds.
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I'd probably feel the same way about Italy's team, but I got into the sport when I was learning Italian, so to practice the language I was watching a lot of Series A. That said, I completely agree with you on Mexico's fans. It's completely disgusting what they chant and it should be banned. Just like the many countries shouting neo-nazi chants.
Anyway this Uruguayan game is rather infuriating between the dives to get Super Mario out of the game and having to watch Luis Suarez get a lot of shots. But we just need to survive another 30 minutes.
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Talked with a guy on my team last night who has coached a little, has kids who play college, and also grew up around the game...
He said he doesn't understand why the US wasn't blasting the ball into the stands to waste time. You burn off precious seconds here and there, but he was also baffled as to why they didn't have the majority of their team at the midfield area.
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