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Miami? Wades contract is up, so is Bosh.. Can they keep the band together another couple of years? Do they want to?
LA Lakers? Is Kobe going to be there? If so, could he and Lebron co-exist?
Cleveland? would he come back here after Gilberts attack on him when he "took his talents to South Beach"? Do they even have enough talent here to attract him?
NY Knicks? Mello might be gone, but what if they kept him and brought in Lebron? They are supposed to be friends right so would that work?
My opinion is, he stays in Miami and they go out and get Mello somehow..
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The prodigal son returns to Cleveland. He used the same language last night about "consulting my team" that he used with his last presser for us.
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The prodigal son returns to Cleveland. He used the same language last night about "consulting my team" that he used with his last presser for us.
Yeah, I'm hoping he goes back to Cleveland. If they can somehow attract Kevin Love, and bring Lebron back, they're ready to go. Kyrie Irving, Lebron, K-Love
I'm not really a Cavs fan, but I'd love the story and I'd like to see Cleveland get a championship in something. Lebron would be a big help. May be he can help get Johnny on the straight and narrow too
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If Miami thinks another shooter is really going to help them, then they have more problems than most know...
I see Melo going to Houston (however they have to work that, keep Harden and Howard)
I see Wade either staying in Miami and retiring there, or going home to Chicago, they seem like the team that likes to overpay for people (See: Boozer, Carlos)
Bosh is a guy that I think is going to fade away really quickly if they do break up. He's become a spot up shooter and rarely uses his height. He's the next Rashard Lewis basically..
LeBron is going to go to the place that he feels best gives him a chance at a title NEXT year..
Someone said they don't think he wants a bunch of jerseys floating around, eh, if he has 7 titles on 5 teams he still has 7 titles, and no one is going to compare him to Robert Horry anytime soon..
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Last year I said that I thought that Bosh was overrated, and got blasted for it.  
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They treated the Decision as 3 TOP players teaming up, when really it was the Best player, a guy in the next tier (Wade) and a guy who was near the top of the third tier...
If Bosh was so great Toronto would of been better... He just happens to be a really tall guy that can shoot pretty good, those ARE rare, but doesn't mean you're a great player...
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If LeBron goes anywhere other than Miami or Cleveland, his legacy will take a major hit. He cares too much about what people think for that.
Having said that, it's probably 95% Miami, 5% Cleveland at this point, IMO. I think he has adopted Miami as his home in a way he never did Cleveland. There's also the Pat Riley factor. I think it will take a hell of a coaching hire and some assurances on the roster to bring him back.
But if he came back and brought Cleveland a championship, that would be a hell of a story and only add to his legacy. Although I give it a 5% chance right now, I think it's not as far fetched as some think. Miami losing to the Spurs made it more possible. No way he leaves had they won.
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But if he came back and brought Cleveland a championship, that would be a hell of a story and only add to his legacy. Although I give it a 5% chance right now, I think it's not as far fetched as some think. Miami losing to the Spurs made it more possible. No way he leaves had they won.
Yeah, we're talking about this in the Cavs thread. If we wanted any chance of Lebron coming back ... him losing the way they did to San Antonio just gave us a glimmer of hope. I don't think we should trade the farm for Kevin Love though, because that would be a HELL of a gamble ... but if Minny panics and is willing to trade him for peanuts, then we should do it. We need to take Wiggins or Embiid in this years draft (One of those guys should be an all-star down the road) ... we can't give up that pick for a 5% chance that Lebron comes back.
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Doesn't he have one more year (with the option to opt out this year) down south? I don't know near enough about basketball and who's who in the draft, but suppose he plays one more year in Miami, lets Cleveland get another high pick in next years draft and comes home then? I'm honestly torn about whether I want him back or not, but hey-winning covers a multitude of sins!  Just ask Rothlesburger.
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If he comes back as a TEAM player, then I'd grudgingly welcome him.
If he comes back expecting to be the city darling and the focus of everything - I really want no part of him.
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Look I'm from Cleveland, I grew up in the city so I can say this... Cleveland....CLEVELAND, of all places saying they DON'T want a great player to come play for them. Hilarious. 
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They treated the Decision as 3 TOP players teaming up, when really it was the Best player, a guy in the next tier (Wade) and a guy who was near the top of the third tier...
If Bosh was so great Toronto would of been better... He just happens to be a really tall guy that can shoot pretty good, those ARE rare, but doesn't mean you're a great player...
One of the worst takes I have heard since the decision is the whole "Well MJ and Bird would have never paired up with Magic to win a title, they wanted to beat each other!!"
Just stop. Don't compare Bosh and Wade to Magic and Larry. That's laughable. Wade will end up being in the hall because he's ridden Lebron's coattails for 4 years, but he's not on the level of Magic or Larry. Not even close.
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Look I'm from Cleveland, I grew up in the city so I can say this...
Cleveland....CLEVELAND, of all places saying they DON'T want a great player to come play for them. Hilarious.
Hey, I grew up in Lorain! I bleed Orange & Brown just as much as anyone! If he hadn't made the promises he did about not leaving till he brought us a championship it'd be an entirely different world wouldn't it?
We all know he said it! He left anyway! 'Read my lips! No new t….' you get the point!
Remember Game 5? Remember what we all said then? If he wins here it will be harder to leave won't it? You gonna tell me he didn't tank that game? :tsp:
I've thought about this for a long time (especially during our glorious football seasons), and like I said-I'm torn on the issue.
Trust is a hard thing to earn-and he definitely lost mine. It's Dans' money, if he wants to risk it that's no skin off my nose.
But like I said, winning covers a multitude of sins.
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I just don't see him back here as long as Gilbert is the owner.
If he does, I'll gain a little respect for him. If it were me, I'd never work for that clown again.
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Because of one letter?? You hold grudges worse than a teenage girl.  Lebron did quite a bit to screw over Gilbert too. He lost 50% of the value of the franchise overnight, without so much as a warning. If Gilbert can forgive Lebron and welcome him back, I think Lebron can shrug off one angry letter and be a bigger man too.
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Because of one letter?? You hold grudges worse than a teenage girl.
Lebron did quite a bit to screw over Gilbert too. He lost 50% of the value of the franchise overnight, without so much as a warning. If Gilbert can forgive Lebron and welcome him back, I think Lebron can shrug off one angry letter and be a bigger man too.
I still contend that LeBron knew 2 years earlier that he was leaving (maybe didn't have all of the details worked out yet) and did very little to actually sell Cleveland to some of the better FAs during those last couple years, which prevented Cleveland from building a better team and made it easier for him to leave.. More than one FA said they didn't come to Cleveland because they just didn't feel LeBron was committed to staying.. Yet Gilbert and Ferry are always blamed for not building a better team around him... 
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If I had my choice of 30 employers, no, I don't think I'd choose to work for the clown who wrote that letter.
Not to mention, beyond that letter, LeBron has stated that he felt that Gilbert never cared about him as a person.
It's tough to see a scenario where I'd go back to work for that guy.
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I'm not sure what to think about this...
previously, I felt he would win this year and be able to leave Miami having delivered on his prediction to win multiple titles.
then San Antonio blows them out and exposes the Heat's age and vulnerability. is he able to walk away without another "decision" type of backlash?
not to mention how old and broken down the Heat looked down the stretch. I'm beginning to think the devastating loss makes him feel compelled to stick it out one more season in Miami and then regardless of the outcome, he leaves for greener pastures, whether that is C-town or not, I don't know until we see how good the Cavs are in the meantime.
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previously, I felt he would win this year and be able to leave Miami having delivered on his prediction to win multiple titles.
You honestly believe if they won this year he would've passed up the opportunity to be the first team to win four in a row?
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No matter what happens, it's (perceived) importance will be greatly overblown.
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previously, I felt he would win this year and be able to leave Miami having delivered on his prediction to win multiple titles.
You honestly believe if they won this year he would've passed up the opportunity to be the first team to win four in a row?
Yea, I thought he had a much better chance of leaving if they lost than if they won..
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Look I'm from Cleveland, I grew up in the city so I can say this...
Cleveland....CLEVELAND, of all places saying they DON'T want a great player to come play for them. Hilarious.
Yeah, a great player that abandoned us.. And he's not the player he was 4 years ago. he's 4 years closer to being done.
I really don't want him back.
Here's the deal, 4 years ago, Lebron and Wade and Bosh were all free agents. With Lebrons pull, he could have said, come to cleveland, the three of us plus this guy and that guy will win a championship.
He didn't do that, instead he chose to thumb his nose at us, yeah, us who supported him every day in every way.
At some point, you have to say, NO MORE.
I just said it.
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Because of one letter?? You hold grudges worse than a teenage girl.
Lebron did quite a bit to screw over Gilbert too. He lost 50% of the value of the franchise overnight, without so much as a warning. If Gilbert can forgive Lebron and welcome him back, I think Lebron can shrug off one angry letter and be a bigger man too.
I still contend that LeBron knew 2 years earlier that he was leaving (maybe didn't have all of the details worked out yet) and did very little to actually sell Cleveland to some of the better FAs during those last couple years, which prevented Cleveland from building a better team and made it easier for him to leave.. More than one FA said they didn't come to Cleveland because they just didn't feel LeBron was committed to staying.. Yet Gilbert and Ferry are always blamed for not building a better team around him...
+1.
This is a constantly overlooked piece of the puzzle that was happening back then. I love it when non-Cavs fans say 'the Cavs did NOTHING to put a team around LeBron'. LeBron could have done more to bring guys in.
I will say, though, and this is to Daman's point ... there was ZERO chance he was bringing Wade to Cleveland. It was either play with Wade in Miami or not at all. I would bet anything that was the ultimate factor in him deciding to go to Miami. He wants to play with his boys ... and Wade is his main bro ... and that wasn't happening anywhere other than Miami. Wade was not going to live in Cleveland. At that point in time, he was a God in Miami. Funny side note is they are all turning on him now. Well, I don't know if that's funny or sad.
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I can understand that, but he ought to be mature enough himself to understand where Gilbert was coming from when he wrote that letter.
He did pretty much kick all of us straight in the gut THE WAY he left. If all he did was sign with Miami without all the tv drama...said hey Cleveland, sorry I tried or something like that...but we all know that isn't the way it went don't we?
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And he's not the player he was 4 years ago. he's 4 years closer to being done.
You're kidding, right?
He's a much, much, much better player than he was four years ago.
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Last year I said that I thought that Bosh was overrated, and got blasted for it.
IIRC, you got blasted for trying to argue that Bosh wasn't a 'legitimate third option', which was and is wrong.
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Look I'm from Cleveland, I grew up in the city so I can say this...
Cleveland....CLEVELAND, of all places saying they DON'T want a great player to come play for them. Hilarious.
Yeah, a great player that abandoned us.. And he's not the player he was 4 years ago. he's 4 years closer to being done.
I really don't want him back.
Here's the deal, 4 years ago, Lebron and Wade and Bosh were all free agents. With Lebrons pull, he could have said, come to cleveland, the three of us plus this guy and that guy will win a championship.
He didn't do that, instead he chose to thumb his nose at us, yeah, us who supported him every day in every way.
At some point, you have to say, NO MORE.
I just said it.
IIRC, Lebron tried to recruit Bosh to Cleveland, and he said that he absolutely would not come to Cleveland, and that's when they moved on to the Miami plan.
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He probably has a good 8-10 years of seasons where he could compete for a championship. Duncan is close to 40, and he's been playing at a all star level still. Unless his body gives out like it has with Kobe, he has plenty of years left.
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I believe that is correct. Bosh or Wade would never come here. I know Amare was in the mix, but he had only a few years left. Our only hope was to hit a home run in the draft, and that never happened. Know in hindsight, I would probably give Mike Brown a good share of the blame. He was just an awful coach, and had no business coaching a player like Lebron. Had a top player, and a mediocre/below average coach.
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Because of one letter?? You hold grudges worse than a teenage girl.
Lebron did quite a bit to screw over Gilbert too. He lost 50% of the value of the franchise overnight, without so much as a warning. If Gilbert can forgive Lebron and welcome him back, I think Lebron can shrug off one angry letter and be a bigger man too.
I still contend that LeBron knew 2 years earlier that he was leaving (maybe didn't have all of the details worked out yet) and did very little to actually sell Cleveland to some of the better FAs during those last couple years, which prevented Cleveland from building a better team and made it easier for him to leave.. More than one FA said they didn't come to Cleveland because they just didn't feel LeBron was committed to staying.. Yet Gilbert and Ferry are always blamed for not building a better team around him...
It's funny you say that, there were reports that Miami team officials had conversations with Wade and Wade had conversations with Bosh and James 3 years prior to his move to Miami.
The topic I believe (and I'm doing this from memory so forgive me if I'm not spot on) was hey, let's not sign any long term deals with our present teams. Let's all sign a 3 year deals and see where we stand then. If possible, then let's all sign with the same team, we'll kick butt and win tons of rings.
That's (paraphrasing) what was reported. It was also reported in a not so obvious way, that Pat Riley was the instigator for this conversation.
So yeah, I think it's very possible that it was set up years before his move.
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I remember hearing something similar, but I dont recall if it was just speculation or what.
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Back to Miami. Take less money. Get a better supporting cast. If not Miami then LAC for Blake Griffin.
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I remember hearing something similar, but I dont recall if it was just speculation or what.
Yeah, I never saw any confirmation just reports on it.
But, there is the smoking gun, all three guys were done with contracts, all three signed 3 year deals and all three ended up in Miami.
You can't tell me that all of that was an accident.
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There was the rumor of the dinner between Riley and Lebron which was at some point during Lebron's time with the Cavs. I remember hearing that Gilbert hired someone to investigate if any tampering was done. I'm sure there was, but good luck proving that when both parties who attended aren't going to rat themselves out.
I also remember Wade dropping a quote at some point after the decision where he said Lebron tried to convince them to go to Cleveland, and said that was going to be a hard sell. I don't know if he was being sincere, or just taking a shot at Cleveland.
I don't really care about that, because it's his own life, the only question from that entire thing that I would have, is what happened in game 5? That's all I want to know. And even now, 4 years later, I'm kinda over it.
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Yeah,, the Dinner was part of the discussion back then also., I do remember hearing that.. FWIW
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If LeBron is going to continue having this holier than thou attitude of everything he does is right and everyone else is to blame for his shortcomings, then I want no part of him returning to Cleveland. I mean, we only need to look at a model of success in the NBA that the Cavaliers can mold themselves into if they really tried, and that's the San Antonio Spurs, a team full of unselfish guys who play Team Basketball to thrive and excel.
In these past 4 seasons I believe LeBron's attitude and professionalism have both royally stunk (pun intended) as he surrounds himself with Yes Men and endorsement deals for comfort. I have never denied his basketball talent and his love for the game, but I have questioned how he conducts himself off the court plenty of times. It also doesn't help that it appears he gets into Flop Mode in the heat of some games.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he just stays in Miami and Wade and Bosh hit the road in FA instead, or if LeBron left for either the Knicks, Lakers or Clippers. I highly doubt he'll ever return to Cleveland, but that doesn't bother me at this point. He showed his true colors with The Decision and with his current saga with the Heat.
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Ah if it was only that easy to find a team full of those guys... There are a lot of very talented basketball players out there... and there are a lot of unselfish guys who want to play team basketball out there.... unfortunately they usually aren't the same guys. The Spurs have a bunch of those guys... It's a very difficult model to follow.
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I mean, we only need to look at a model of success in the NBA that the Cavaliers can mold themselves into if they really tried, and that's the San Antonio Spurs, a team full of unselfish guys who play Team Basketball to thrive and excel.
Ah if it was only that easy to find a team full of those guys... There are a lot of very talented basketball players out there... and there are a lot of unselfish guys who want to play team basketball out there.... unfortunately they usually aren't the same guys. The Spurs have a bunch of those guys... It's a very difficult model to follow.
To add to that, the model for something like that starts at the way top. You need an owner who is willing to show a lot of patience. They struck gold with the lotto pick for Duncan, but the rest of those guys were drafted and developed, as the result of some ridiculously good scouting.
Every guy on that team has a purpose. Half the Miami Heat team doesn't have a purpose. They're either filler, or were brought in because they were best available.
I think Dan Gilbert has good intentions. He wants to win. The bottom line is not the most important thing to him. He has taken a loss several times. He has been willing to accept some financial burdens in order for the team to be good going forward. I just don't think he's done a good job so far, and it's hurt the team. It's not all his fault. A lot of it is just the nature of the way the league goes when you don't have the players. It's turning into the way the Browns have been, where the players have no faith in the people above them, because they see the revolving door always moving.
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To add to that, the model for something like that starts at the way top. You need an owner who is willing to show a lot of patience. They struck gold with the lotto pick for Duncan, but the rest of those guys were drafted and developed, as the result of some ridiculously good scouting.
And they've done almost all of it with rather late picks.. I still don't think it's a coincidence that they built this team largely with guys who grew up playing basketball in other parts of the world instead of the me-me-me high school, AAU, and college culture of the United States.
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