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I doubt that. I feel like Melo would just arrest a team's offense like what Rudy Gay did to Memphis.
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How does Lebron get on the Clippers though? They're already $9mil over the cap? Do you think Miami agrees to a sign-and-trade to take on the contracts of Deandre Jordan and Matt Barnes (and probably someone else) for a couple of late first round picks?
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He would be the 2nd or 3rd wheel. Think it would be a lot easier for himself.
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If thats where lebron wants to go, they have no choice, just like the cavs 4 yrs ago. I think the clippers are serious suitors for james.
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Yes ... think Olympics Melo. He would be more of a spot up shooter, rather than they guy trying to create the offense. If he can live without being the play creator, I think he would be pretty good in that role. Now if you could just get him to play defense ...
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The Clippers could sign and trade but what is more likely is that they trade Jordan, Crawford, Barnes, and Dudley in separate deals to clear room. Those are players that other teams will actually want too, so it's not like they are giving up crap.
In the end it is unlikely, but it is still an attractive option to consider.
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If thats where lebron wants to go, they have no choice, just like the cavs 4 yrs ago. I think the clippers are serious suitors for james.
Read my post a few posts back ... the Heat have plenty of choice. They don't HAVE to take on a bunch of sign-and-trade salary if they don't want to. The only reason the Cavs did it was because they didn't have to take any salaries back, and were basically getting a couple of draft picks for free. If they said "no", the would only be stiffing Lebron maybe 1-2 million a year because the Heat had the cap-space to get him for close to what the sign-and-trade value was anyway.
If the Heat say "no" ... he's signing for the vet minimum. The Clippers already used their mid-level exception on Matt Barnes. They have no real incentive to do a sign and trade, because they would be taking on a ton of salary just to get a couple of low first rounders ... why would they want to do that?
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I thought that the sign and trade rules changed significantly in the last labor deal?
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Ok, so they all have two years left? Is there an opt-out clause for next year? Because if that's the case, Lebron is as good as gone. Why even opt out then, to take less, AGAIN?
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There are surely other teams that would that Jordan, Crawford, Barnes, and/or Dudley, no?
Teams like Cleveland, Phoenix, Orlando, and Charlotte can all absorb full salaries without giving anything back.
Not only that but all of those contracts are pretty reasonable. Jordan's expires after the 14/15 season, Crawford only makes $5.6M through 15/16, Dudley $4.25M through 15/16, and Barnes $3.4M next year with a team option for the following year.
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All three have to opt out in order for it to make sense. If Wade opts in then LeBron is probably gone.
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If I'm Bosh or Wade, what really does another title bring me? They aren't LeBron chasing a legacy...
Take your money, that you were offered, and play the game you love. The rest will sort out..
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Bosh has already said he would take less. I think it all rests on Wade's shoulders.
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There are surely other teams that would that Jordan, Crawford, Barnes, and/or Dudley, no?
Teams like Cleveland, Phoenix, Orlando, and Charlotte can all absorb full salaries without giving anything back.
Not only that but all of those contracts are pretty reasonable. Jordan's expires after the 14/15 season, Crawford only makes $5.6M through 15/16, Dudley $4.25M through 15/16, and Barnes $3.4M next year with a team option for the following year.
That does seem like a reasonable possibility, They would have to get rid of all of those contracts though, they're already close to 10 mil over the cap. My point was that it wouldn't be the Heat that would be forced into making it happen via sign-and-trade like the Cavs did.
It would sort of gut their bench but Paul, Griff and Lebron would be pretty unstoppable. On that note, you think the Cavs should give up a 2nd rounder to take DeAndre Jordan off their hands?
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Exactly ... is there a deadline for him to say he's in or out?
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If Jordan was available on the cheap teams will be lining up. Imagine a team like Phoenix with Jordan.
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Bosh has already said he would take less. I think it all rests on Wade's shoulders.
Yeah, Bosh will most likely do whatever LeBron asks of him.
It's all up to Wade, and I would expect Miami to offer him a wink-and-nod overpaid FO job when he hangs it up in order to get him to opt out.
If Wade opts out, LeBron stays, most likely.
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A few things to consider ....
1) ESPN Radio just made a great point about Lebron going to the Western Conference ... Why would he want to? He would have to go through murder's row every playoffs just to GET to the finals. Even the Spurs struggle to get out of the West
2) EPSN Radio was also trying to make the point that this was just the start of all three Heat players opting out so that they could all re-structure and bring in a fourth superstar, and that Pat Riley knew about this all along because it's all part of the plan ... Okay, sure. But then why haven't all 3 players announced that they were opting out together? Why did Riley have a semi-angry press conference a week ago where he made references to people needing to keep loyal and staying with what they've built? Also, to fit a fourth player under their cap ... all four players would have to sign for about $14 million, plus they would need to gut their roster ... leaving nothing but Chris Anderson and Norris Cole. Everything else they sign would have to be vet minimums or mid-level exceptions.
Chris Anderson has already said that he is opting out, and will chase a bigger deal this off-season.
The only player the heat have under contract at this point is Cole. Haslem has a player's option. The owner of the Heat has said that he will not go into the luxury tax again, and Lebron has indicated that he will not re-sign without roster upgrades. This, to me, appears to be a massive impasse. Maybe Riley has another trick up his sleeve ...... or maybe all of the cards have fallen out.
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I was just listening to the BS Report and Chad Ford floated an idea. If the Warriors get Love why wouldn't they be in the LeBron market? They would just have to move Iguodala and Barnes to fit him in.
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Because Lebron isn't "friends" with anyone on the Warriors.  I think the problem with most of the West Coast team scenarios is that all the teams involved would have to gut their rosters just to get their "big 3" players to fit under the cap ... or in the Warriors' case, trade away guys like Thompson to get Love in the first place. That's going to put them in a similar situation that Miami had to deal with in their first year, where they had the Big-3 and not much else ... except in this case, they'd have to go through the West to get to the finals, where-as the East is comparably a cake-walk.
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I was just listening to the BS Report and Chad Ford floated an idea. If the Warriors get Love why wouldn't they be in the LeBron market? They would just have to move Iguodala and Barnes to fit him in.
Iggy and Barnes would fill in nicely in Miami, Sign and Trade type of situation, if LeBron said, I want to go here, make it work...
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Interesting poll on ESPN. The question is, where would you want Lebron to play next year ... Naturally "Other" is winning at 45% ... but Cleveland is 2nd at 31% and Miami is last at 24%.
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(1) The NBA would have a seizure without a real casual fan draw in the East.
(2) LeBron likes his free ride to the Finals
(3) LeBron would have to play the Spurs more often
Given the teams in the East, if I was LeBron and only cared about going to a team that would make my life easier to win titles, then I would choose the Washington Wizards.
John Wall, Bradley Beal, Gortat. And, if they are able to move around some salaries (Nene first and foremost), they might even be able to get in on the Carmelo market too.
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Interesting poll on ESPN. The question is, where would you want Lebron to play next year ... Naturally "Other" is winning at 45% ... but Cleveland is 2nd at 31% and Miami is last at 24%.
"other" is every fan just voting for his own team, lol
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Yeah exactly ... which means Cleveland is basically winning that poll. Almost a 3rd of voters think he should go back.
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These last few days are ganna go by quick.. better get this in while I can.. Miami's "Big 3" to Opt Out, Join Melo in Cleveland
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I'd say right now the frontrunners are Miami and the Clippers, with anyone else a distant third.
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Miami's "Big 3" to Opt Out, Join Melo in Cleveland
I would have laughed harder if the link took me here.
But yes, the coming days will be fun to watch.
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I'd say right now the frontrunners are Miami and the Clippers, with anyone else a distant third.
Seeing is how they don't have an owner, I'd find that hard to believe they could build a super team with a NBA appointed GM/president running the show.
Plus, Sterling is still the owner. And he'll probably be the owner for a while because he's suing everyone he's ever met to block the sale.
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...then again, didn't a NBA lead Hornets team deal CP3 to the Clippers a while back?
...AND it might explain why someone would bid $2B to buy the Clippers when nobody would have spent over $1B last year.
ha ha ha...just saying all this to rile up the conspiracy theorists.
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A few things to consider ....
1) ESPN Radio just made a great point about Lebron going to the Western Conference ... Why would he want to? He would have to go through murder's row every playoffs just to GET to the finals. Even the Spurs struggle to get out of the West
2) EPSN Radio was also trying to make the point that this was just the start of all three Heat players opting out so that they could all re-structure and bring in a fourth superstar, and that Pat Riley knew about this all along because it's all part of the plan ... Okay, sure. But then why haven't all 3 players announced that they were opting out together? Why did Riley have a semi-angry press conference a week ago where he made references to people needing to keep loyal and staying with what they've built? Also, to fit a fourth player under their cap ... all four players would have to sign for about $14 million, plus they would need to gut their roster ... leaving nothing but Chris Anderson and Norris Cole. Everything else they sign would have to be vet minimums or mid-level exceptions.
Chris Anderson has already said that he is opting out, and will chase a bigger deal this off-season.
The only player the heat have under contract at this point is Cole. Haslem has a player's option. The owner of the Heat has said that he will not go into the luxury tax again, and Lebron has indicated that he will not re-sign without roster upgrades. This, to me, appears to be a massive impasse. Maybe Riley has another trick up his sleeve ...... or maybe all of the cards have fallen out.
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The Heat amnestied Miller prior to this past season, and did not replace him. That was said to have really ticked Lebron off.
There are several articles about the luxury tax on Google ....
Report: LeBron James, annoyed with Micky Arison, not ready to commit to Heat | ProBasketballTalk
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...commit-to-heat/
LeBron James reportedly doesn’t want to take a salary cut in order to save Heat owner Micky Arison money. That’s apparently not a new concern.
It’s been festering.
The Heat paid the luxury tax the previous two years, and they’ll pay it again this season. But in the last year, they’ve really dialed back their spending.
They amnestied Mike Miller.
Instead of using a draft pick to upgrade their roster, they used it as a sweetener to unload Joel Anthony’s contract.
They didn’t use the mid-level exception, their primary tool for adding another rotation-caliber player.
Miami has allowed its roster to stagnate and age, creating a lack of depth really showed in the Finals.
If the Heat had spent more to build a deeper team, maybe they’d be NBA champions – and not waiting on a mum LeBron.
It comes down to what dollars make sense for LeBron James and Heat after NBA finals loss to Tim Duncan’s Spurs - NY Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-heat-remember-alamo-article-1.1831568
As team insiders have maintained for months, James isn’t interested in reducing his salary from $20.6 next season and $22.1 million in 2015-16 just so that team owner Micky Arison can avoid paying luxury taxes. As they say, been there, done that and all it got James was second place.
Bosh, who makes identical money to James, and Wade, who makes slightly less, at around $41.5 million for the next two seasons, also don’t want to rework their deals solely to give Arison another tax break. They want the money put to good use, meaning adding talent so that Miami can return to the Finals for a fifth straight season. No team has done that since the Red Auerbach-led Celtics of the 1960s.
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You wrote that Micky Arison said he will not go into the luxury tax again, then posted the PBT article that said that he paid it the last two years and will pay it again this coming season.
I'm not trying to be argumentative but what am I missing here?
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Yeah, I guess it's that he won't pay as much, and that they want to cut salary as opposed to adding salary. As noted in the article, he amnestied Miller, and traded their 1st round pick in order to dump a contract ..... while sitting on their mid level exception.
They went into salary dump mode, as opposed to roster improvement mode.
They still spent $80 million.
I know that I heard something on TV about the Heat owner wanting to get out of the luxury tax, though it may be that he just wants to lessen that. Getting out completely would seem almost impossible at this point, while keeping James and his cohorts,
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The luxury tax would have to be huge if you're willing to let Lebron walk because of it? Seems like they would be making triple the tax back if you keep him.
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As I understand it, the Luxury Tax threshold if $70 million. The Heat spent over $80 million, The tax is $3.25 for every $1 over the threshold. So the Heat probably spent $32.5 or so million in luxury tax, in addition to $80+ million in salary. (and Pat Riley complained about the luxury tax following the 2012 season, as if it was going to be a surprise)
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I suppose it's possible a $112m+ salary (Base+Luxury Tax) would negate the financial gains of having a perennial Finals team....but what's the alternative? Being an 8 seed and making $10m profit per year? I'd rather win now and lose money than have a crappy team and get bounced from the playoffs in the first round.
Heck, I'd just make all the loses back when I sell the team to a retired Microsoft executive for $5B in 2020.
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The NBA cap is projected to be $63 million while while the luxary tax threshold is projected to be about $77 million ($14M over ther cap). Seeing as how the Heat would need everyone to opt out and re-sign under the cap to keep Lebron now, that means their main core would all be making under $63M. They would only be able to use mid-level exceptions and veteran minimums to fill up the rest of the roster, so they probably won't be pushing too far over the luxary cap this year anyway.
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I've been in the Miami viewing area for the last couple of months, and their media is convinced all three will opt out and redo their contracts. And boy, are their fans obnoxious. I thought Cleveland fans were bad.  I did enjoy all the crying when they lost.
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