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Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug only because Tricky Dick Nixon wanted to punish the hippy war protesters. I'm not sure it should be legal but keeping it a schedule 1 drug along with all of the punishment and sanctions that go with that is ludicrous. Now the NFL is reconsidering their stand on reefer. So, they're dinking around with what to do with Gordon. If they suspend the guy for a year, which no doubt he has earned, and then say, "Hey? We've decided pot isn't bad," then they lose all credibility. It's funny. Because back when pro football formed Coca Cola had cocaine in it and opium was an over the counter remedy for headaches and 'woman's complaints'. What to do with Josh Gordon? Suspend him for thumbing his nose at the rules as they stand. A year? Nah. That's cruel and unusual punishment to Browns fans. 
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Sorry Dean, this seems out of place in the football forum....maybe the everything else forum?
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This is a new one. Gordon should be excused because it's Nixon's fault.
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I wish they would just announce it already.
What the hell is taking so long?
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What the hell is taking so long?
have any suspensions been officially announced? i thought during the Haden saga we were told that appeals were held during training camp/August and thus no suspensions would be announced until that time. I think we still have a long wait.
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This is a new one. Gordon should be excused because it's Nixon's fault.
Well Vers, common sense tells you it's either Nixon or Barry Goldwater. 
I hate to see him get a year because I'm a Browns fan but will accept any decision that would cut his suspension time or would have him serve the whole year.
I don't think the NFL can or will change it's rules in the middle of a case.
He'll probably get the year.
According to the rules it's deserved.
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Don't worry Gordon will be gone for the year. No point in stressing over it. The potheads who are so eager to have their drugs legalized just have a fantasy that their precious pot hasn't ruined yet another talented kid.
The thing is all these players signed an agreement with the NFL to follow certain rules and regulations. It doesn't matter what the law is or will become. An employer can fire you or penalize you anytime there is a breech of contract. Just because he has talent does not entitle him a job in the NFL. Josh has to follow the same rules as everyone else. IF he smoked pot and he most likely did, since he still hangs out with potheads, then he is gone for a year. IF his friend was smoking in that car with him when he was speeding in it then his career is most likely over.
I'm done worrying about Josh. He is just another great athlete addicted to pot who choose pot over having millions and millions of dollars. I got no room for sympathy in my heart for idiots like that.
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Just wondering if he doesn't get suspended will the people who have written him off eat crow. Also wondering where can I get a seat to see that.
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It was reported that he failed a test and was set to get suspended, why would people have to "eat crow" for that? Why is that a thing?
If he doesn't get suspended, someone at OTL/ESPN needs to get fired, actually, regardless they do...
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Just wondering if he doesn't get suspended will the people who have written him off eat crow. Also wondering where can I get a seat to see that.
I don't see why anyone would have to eat crow at that point.
All signs point to Gordon being a moron and an addict.
Him being exonerated wouldn't exactly point to people jumping to conclusions. All evidence points to him being a stupid and careless addict. It's a long-established pattern at this point, even if he isn't suspended.
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Beyond stupid. Announce it so we can compensate. We need to get this behind us. Says a lot to me about his priorities, his team attitude, and a triple-shunt judgment bypass. IQ like gravel. I love him off the field. Other than serving as a bad example, not much here for us. 
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Beyond stupid. Announce it so we can compensate. We need to get this behind us.
Says a lot to me about his priorities, his team attitude, and a triple-shunt judgment bypass. IQ like gravel.
I love him off the field. Other than serving as a bad example, not much here for us.
We still don't know for sure what he's done.
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And we never will. The NFL doesn't announce what they were suspended for. A guy could be partaking in purple drank and say he took prescription cough medicine. The NFL doesn't say a word. A guy could say he took adderall even though he did cocaine. The NFL doesn't say a word.
I think this case is frustrating for the fans because the story got leaked early. The case is probably proceeding at normal speed, but because it was leaked early, many are thinking there are other things going on. I believe the league presented him w/the charges. Gordon later appealed [after we heard about this on draft day,] and the case is moving through the appeal process. We'll probably find out around the time of training camp.
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mmmmm I see it has gone full circle... it wasnt Nixon's it was John Dean's fault and who is blaming Nixon? A poster named Dean.....  I see the conspiracy now.
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A poster named Dean.....
I see the conspiracy now.
Well done. Well done indeed.
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'Will the Cleveland Browns release Josh Gordon once he's suspended? Hey Mary Kay!' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/will_the_cleveland_browns_rele.htmlBy Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on June 15, 2014 at 9:15 AM, updated June 16, 2014 at 10:26 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Send your questions to Hey Mary Kay! here. Hey, Mary Kay: Do you see the Browns removing Josh Gordon from the team? - James Reese, Snow Hill, N.C. Hey James: I don't see the Browns cutting Gordon when he's suspended. I think they'll give him a chance to turn things around and see if he can stay clean. If he can, they have a potential future Hall of Famer on their hands. The problem is, Gordon seems to struggle the most in the offseason when he's away from the team. If he's banned indefinitely and back home in Houston, it might difficult for him to do what it takes to get back into the league. Hey, Mary Kay: If/when Josh Gordon gets suspended for an entire season, how does that affect his contract? Does it count as a year or is it "extended" for another year? - Geoff Pulsford, Willoughby, Ohio Hey Geoff: If Gordon is banned for at least a year, his contract wouldn't count during the time he's out, and he'd pick it up again when he returns. If he comes back in 2015, he'd still have the two remaining years left on his deal, through 2016. Currently, he's set to make $825,604 in 2014 and $1.068 million in 2015. If not for his current plight, the Browns would have been thinking extension soon. Hey, Mary Kay: How has Mitchell Schwartz looked in camp? Do the coaches see him as a good fit for the zone-blocking scheme? He flashed as a rookie, but seemed to regress last year. - Rob Hollis, Columbus, Ohio Hey Rob: The new regime and coaching staff likes Schwartz a lot more than the previous one did. Schwartz is a good fit for Kyle Shanahan's zone-blocking scheme, which places a premium on getting off the ball quickly. He's set to start at right tackle again and should have no trouble keeping the job. John Greco is a leading candidate to start at right tackle depending on how quickly second-round pick Joel Bitonio recovers from his sprained ankle. Hey, Mary Kay: If the Browns players really buy into the offensive and defensive schemes, they will be capable of winning eight games this year. I can't see starting Johnny Manziel over Brian Hoyer. The soonest I would let Manziel start is after the bye week against the Titans. With or without Josh Gordon, the Browns have enough talent to win games. - Emil Barter, Cleveland, Ohio Hey Emil: Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine seem genuine when they say that Hoyer is substantially better than Manziel right now, but I keep coming back to quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains saying in a radio interview that Manziel could be "one of the most exciting players in the NFL'' right now. Manziel's playmaking ability isn't always evident in the controlled drills of a minicamp, so it's hard to get a good read on him right now. The Browns will know a lot more during the preseason games, but they won't get the full Johnny Football effect until they throw him into a regular season game and let him do his thing. I do think the Browns have the talent to win this year depending on their quarterback play. Hey, Mary Kay: Thinking of Josh Gordon's probable suspension, do the Browns still have the inner circle that Sam Rutigliano established or something similar for players battling addiction issues? - Bill Rogers, Valparaiso, Ind. Hey Bill: The Browns have a strong support system led by new Director of Player Engagement Jamil Northcutt and his assistant Russell Maryland. There are programs in place for players dealing with substance abuse and other issues. The Browns were really excited to land Northcutt, who previously worked at Mississippi and for the Chiefs, and are confident the players will relate to him. Hey, Mary Kay: The Browns took a lot of criticism for not taking a receiver in the second round of the the draft. With all the second round busts the Browns have drafted at receiver since 1999 from Quincy Morgan to Greg Little. I'm happy to see a new approach to the filling out the position. 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I love the way minds work. My point is, the NFL won't make a decision since they also have considering more leniency on reefer tokers in the future on the table. That would make them look like idiots to suspend a guy for a year for smoking pot and then come out the next day and say, "From now on it's okay to smoke pot." AND...I don't think pot is a big deal when Manziel and other players are showing up hammered on YouTube every weekend. It's stupid to suspend the guy over an archaic attitude towards a recreational drug.
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Gotta agree with Mary Kay in terms of the first statement about Gordon and the Browns cutting him if he gets suspended. There's just too much potential talent there to not have the tendency to lean to want to give him another opportunity. I'm really getting sick and tired of the silence from the league on this. What the heck is taking so long for them to come out with his punishment? 
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Someone broke the story too early. I don't think there is anything unusual. He was informed of the charge. He is appealing. It takes time.
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Grossi expected to hear something, "any minute, any day, any week", I believe he said that 3 weeks ago. The thing that annoys me, jg could have won his appeal, and we wouldn't know about it. My question is, when do we start to feel confident he won't get suspended?
I'd feel confident he won't get suspended if we don't hear anything by July 10th, a random date.
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No news by training camp, would be good news. I think the league has to make a decision by that time, or its just not fair for the coaches to know what they have........
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I looked it up, and his suspension was announced last year on June 7th.
Based on that, I am a bit surprised that we haven't heard anything official yet.
However .... we are all assuming that Gordon is stage 3 ..... but the NFL does not announce that. They announce a suspension for whichever policy is violated, but not the drug tested positive for, the amount, nor the penalty level the player is currently at.
In other words, we are all guessing what type of suspension Gordon will receive if he did indeed fail another test.
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We don't know that Gordon is in Stage 3 like we don't know that O.J. murdered two people.
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I'd be just fine with bans on all the athletes caught using pot or any other drug. My kids need heroes to look up to not drug addicts to be ashamed of. Can't handle making millions in the NFL? Stress too much for ya? Go smoke your dope while flipping burgers and serve yourself a side order of some pity cause you wont get any from me.
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I'd be just fine with bans on all the athletes caught using pot or any other drug. My kids need heroes to look up to not drug addicts to be ashamed of. Can't handle making millions in the NFL? Stress too much for ya? Go smoke your dope while flipping burgers and serve yourself a side order of some pity cause you wont get any from me.
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We assume, and there is reason to assume that ..... but we do not know for certain. None of us do. Only the NFL, and probably Josh, his agent, and the Browns know for sure. We know what people have reported ..... but do they know all of the details? Maybe ...... but not definitely. I would guess that anyone releasing details regarding a player's medical situation (drug test) could find themselves in jeopardy of losing their job if caught,and also opened up to civil action by the player for exposing his private information.
There is a lot of connect the dots based on assumptions. We are all guessing what the truth is, but none of us know for certain ..... and I don't imagine that too many people would bet their life that they know the whole story with absolute certainty.
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Read the NFL drug policy guidelines cover to cover and tell me you don't believe he's in stage 3.
Deductive reasoning.
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I'd be just fine with bans on all the athletes caught using pot or any other drug. My kids need heroes to look up to not drug addicts to be ashamed of. Can't handle making millions in the NFL? Stress too much for ya? Go smoke your dope while flipping burgers and serve yourself a side order of some pity cause you wont get any from me.
If your kids are looking to athletes as their role models, you need to step in and set them straight.
You mean you never watched football as a kid and looked up to the players? Really? ... I know we are the Browns but damn that's sad.
There are reasons PROFESSIONAL athletes are held to a higher standard. Young admiring eyes are one of them.
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Read the NFL drug policy guidelines cover to cover and tell me you don't believe he's in stage 3.
Deductive reasoning.
No need to be Damanshot and doubt the sky is blue until God tells us it is.
I believe that he could be.
Then again, he could be on strike 2 in stage 2 ...... which is not the same as stage 3.
We'll have to see what the NFL says when they finally make some kind of announcement on this matter. I suspect that he could be suspended for the year, but then again, a 6 game suspension would not surprise me.
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I'd be just fine with bans on all the athletes caught using pot or any other drug. My kids need heroes to look up to not drug addicts to be ashamed of. Can't handle making millions in the NFL? Stress too much for ya? Go smoke your dope while flipping burgers and serve yourself a side order of some pity cause you wont get any from me.
If your kids are looking to athletes as their role models, you need to step in and set them straight.
You mean you never watched football as a kid and looked up to the players? Really?
The impulse was there, but I was lucky enough to have people close to me (and Charles Barkley) to explain that is was a hollow notion.
Plus, I grew up around a lot of pro athletes. Even at a young age, I could see they weren't heroes.
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Deductive reasoning.
No need to be Damanshot and doubt the sky is blue until God tells us it is.
I believe that he could be.
Then again, he could be on strike 2 in stage 2 ...... which is not the same as stage 3.
We'll have to see what the NFL says when they finally make some kind of announcement on this matter. I suspect that he could be suspended for the year, but then again, a 6 game suspension would not surprise me.
He was definitely in stage two the last time he got penalized. Stands to reason he is in stage three this time and is gone for a year. The only thing I could see being the hold up is if they are waiting for a possible rule change or if the original positive test is questionable in some way.
I would love it if he turns out to be innocent but considering he joyrides around with potheads I have very little hope for him.
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I'd be just fine with bans on all the athletes caught using pot or any other drug. My kids need heroes to look up to not drug addicts to be ashamed of. Can't handle making millions in the NFL? Stress too much for ya? Go smoke your dope while flipping burgers and serve yourself a side order of some pity cause you wont get any from me.
That's fine, as long as you want to ban other people for being total idiots as well. Ray Rice (beat his g/f), Donte Stallworth (killed someone while driving under the influence), Reuben Droughns (DUI), Eric Steinbach (boating DUI), Tom Heckert (DUI), Desmond Bryant (trying to break into someone's house), Quentin Groves (soliciting a prostitute), and pretty much anyone who breaks the law beyond speeding/accidentally running a red light.
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What? Banned for a silly little DUI? That's just crazy...
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Deductive reasoning.
No need to be Damanshot and doubt the sky is blue until God tells us it is.
I believe that he could be.
Then again, he could be on strike 2 in stage 2 ...... which is not the same as stage 3.
We'll have to see what the NFL says when they finally make some kind of announcement on this matter. I suspect that he could be suspended for the year, but then again, a 6 game suspension would not surprise me.
He was definitely in stage two the last time he got penalized. Stands to reason he is in stage three this time and is gone for a year. The only thing I could see being the hold up is if they are waiting for a possible rule change or if the original positive test is questionable in some way.
I would love it if he turns out to be innocent but considering he joyrides around with potheads I have very little hope for him.
I could easily see Gordon being in stage 2 right now.
If he entered the league clean, then he doesn't have any strikes.
He failed a drug test, and was suspended for 2 games and fined 4 game checks. That seems to me to be about the minimum.
From what I can tell, the 1st positive test a player has moves that player into stage 1. A player remains in stage 1 for a period of time not to exceed 90 days, however in some cases the medical advisor can extend that to up to 6 months.
If Gordon failed a test last year, while in stage 1, then he exited stage 1 after no more than 6 months after his positive drug test.
However, the NFLPA document states that a player who completes stage 1, and then has a positive drug test will be subject to a fine of 4/17th of his contract. If he did not complete stage 1, then he is subject to a 4 game suspension without pay.
This makes it confusing as to what stage Gordon was in when he was suspended.
A player can move to stage 2 ...... but the methodology is really murky as to what makes that move.
However. a player in stage 2 can be fined suspended only in accordance with the rules, following a 2nd positive drug test while in stage 2. Yes, he has to fail 2 drug tests while in stage 2. That would mean that the player would have to fail 3 tests in a relatively short period of time, as a guy like Blackmon probably did last year, given his back to back suspensions.
However, a player, in stage 2, who fails 2 tests while in stage 2, will be subject to a 4 game suspension without pay, and a period of6 games fif he was suspended according to the first suspension in stage 2.
So the way I read it, Gordon would have to have been suspended for 4 games, and his next dirty test in stage 2 would result in a 6 game suspension.
His 1st suspension sure looks like a stage 1 suspension, according to the rules in the CBA.
If it was, then he should have exited stage 1 after 6 months at the most. That suspension was June 7 of last year. That means that he should have exited stage 1 by no later than December 7 of last year. (as long as he didn't have a dirty test) If he had, then he would have advanced to stage 2. If he did, then he would have had to have failed another test in order to get another suspension.
I don't see how 1 suspension advances a player to stage 3, under any circumstances.
To advance to stage 3, th eplayer would have to have failed a test to enter stage 1, and another to move to stage 2, Then he would have had to fail 2 tests while in stage 2. (with the accompanying penalties)
From what I can tell, a player arrested for drugs can move into the drug treatment program immediately.
So, the way I read it, if Gordon entered the league in stage 1, that would have lasted for up to 6 months of his rookie season. As long as he didn't fail another test in his rookie year, he would have exited the drug treatment program as if he had never been in it.
One failed test after that would have put him into stage 1 again.That was the suspension/fine last year. That would have also ended after a maximum of 6 months. Since he wasn't suspended again last year.we can assume that he successfully completed stage 1 last year.
AsI read things, for him to go from out of the program to stage 3, he would have had to have failed 4 tests in fairly short order in the off-season. There is no indication of that from whatI have read/heard.
I just don't see how he could be in stage 3 at this point, after only one suspension, more than a year ago.
IIRC, Blackmon cause to enter the league in stage 1. He would have cleared stage 1 after 6 months.
However, he then tested dirty and was suspended in year 2 of his career. He refused comment as to whether or not he would attend his treatment sessions. If he refused to go to his treatment sessions, and failed another test, that would seem to be enough to got to stage 3, and out.
We just don't know all of the details. of exactly what he failed, and what he did or did not do in treatment. Those details are most important as to what stage he's in, and what penalty he faces.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I'd be just fine with bans on all the athletes caught using pot or any other drug. My kids need heroes to look up to not drug addicts to be ashamed of. Can't handle making millions in the NFL? Stress too much for ya? Go smoke your dope while flipping burgers and serve yourself a side order of some pity cause you wont get any from me.
That's fine, as long as you want to ban other people for being total idiots as well. Ray Rice (beat his g/f), Donte Stallworth (killed someone while driving under the influence), Reuben Droughns (DUI), Eric Steinbach (boating DUI), Tom Heckert (DUI), Desmond Bryant (trying to break into someone's house), Quentin Groves (soliciting a prostitute), and pretty much anyone who breaks the law beyond speeding/accidentally running a red light.
Plenty of businesses fire you if you get a DUI. Ray should have gone to jail. Donte should have gone to jail for a LONG time. Any of these guys making the money they make and can't hire a driver or call a dang cab I have no problem with them getting fired like many of the rest of us. More people get killed by drunk drivers than by guns in the US. Wanna party? Stay home or sleep at the damn party. Arrange for transportation ahead of time. Your right to party is fine with me but when you put kids in danger because you had to get behind the wheel stoned, drunk, or worse then go to jail and rot for all I care.
I got no problem with folks having fun in the privacy of their own homes or businesses. When you get behind a 2,000 pound sledge hammer impaired then I have a huge problem with you. So does the law.
Going to have a professional job in the light of the national media? ACT LIKE IT or get fired. Just like every other professional in the world who get fired for far less. I got no sympathy for poor millionaires who can't get their act together.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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Some of you are like little worrywarts. Stop. Just assume the guy will never play another down in the NFL. Assume he never wears a Browns jersey again.
The guy is never going to play for the Browns again. Move on.
(If he does play for us again, then it's gravy and reason to be happy)
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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Ytown I hope that's the case. Maybe his stage is what is holding things up too, as in, they are conflicted about what stage he might be in.
Thought I read he came in on stage 1, got busted and moved to stage two, and that before that cleared up he got hit again so is now in stage 3.
If he moved from stage 2 back down to stage 1 before getting hit again then that could be good news.
Just don't know how many chances a guy needs to get his life together when its costing him millions of dollars and his career. To me it's obvious that until he gets rid of his old friends who dope up then there is no saving him. For all we know while getting a hearing set on this he failed again and is possibly being set up for a ban thanks to his pot smoking buddy.
To me if I were Goodell then I don't let Josh see the field unless he undergoes some strict escort monitoring and mentoring. Josh needs help and if its not too late to save him then I hope they do.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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Some of you are like little worrywarts. Stop. Just assume the guy will never play another down in the NFL. Assume he never wears a Browns jersey again.
The guy is never going to play for the Browns again. Move on.
(If he does play for us again, then it's gravy and reason to be happy)
Yeah this is where I am at, too.
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.. If your kids are looking to athletes as their role models, you need to step in and set them straight...
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Isnt that a shame ?
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