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Good for him.
Let him have all the fun in the world...he's young and soaking in the fame in. Nothing wrong with that and hopefully the city of Cleveland can be a benefactor to that fame somewhere down the line.
I have no idea how this guy will translate to the NFL but I find it hard to believe his offseason weekend proclivities will be the determining factor. My guess is skill, ability to read defenses, and playmaking will be main factors.
No one knows what he is doing during the week. For all we know he's studying hard and playing hard on weekends. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I will get concerned if I see him snorting coke of a hooker's body or partying Friday/Saturday nights during the season.
For now...LIVE IT UP, MANZIEL and enjoy every second. The haters are gonna hate no matter what.
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j/c I just don't like fans already making excuses for this guy. Every time that has happened, the player has sucked. Like it or not there is a difference between you at 21 and Johnny Manziel at 21. If someone gave me 5 million dollars to stay in at 21, I wouldn't have had to drink, the sluts would have come to me. 
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I don't know that his drinking is a problem because the pictures really give us no indication of how much he's actually drinking.
I just know that there are ways of going out and having fun while staying out of the spotlight and ways to not give a damn and put yourself in the spotlight.
Much like GM, I wasn't crazy about the pick, but I also wasn't upset by the pick. But the seemingly total lack of caring about making yourself look like an arse in public, is IMO, a direct reflection on the team you represent. Everyone has and makes choices. It seems his choice is not to care how he looks as the potential future leader of this franchise.
I believe there is reasonable cause to believe that some of the veterans on this team could easily see this as a total lack of respect for them and this team. Johnny Football needs to put more emphasis on the name he put in trademark rights for... "Johnny Football", rather than reflect the image of "Johnny Party Boy".
He made statements as evidenced in the article above saying such things wouldn't be a problem before he was drafted. Looking at the evidence since then, maybe he should consider a job as a used car salesman? Because he sure isn't living up to what he said.
People who say one thing and then do the opposite certainly provide questions in regards to their dedication and honesty.
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Pit...many talked about 'it' when Manziel declared for the draft...they did not question his football ability...they questioned his "maturity" level.
Manziel is only 2 yrs out of HS and continues to act as if he is still in HS. I don't know a lot about how Johnny was raised by his mom and dad..whether his parents were strict or if they spoiled little Johnny rotten and acted as if he could do no wrong.
What is going on with this kid is either he was never taught to be respectful...OR, something else is influencing his behavior, contributing to his lack of mental control over his actions...vers might be on to something.
...OR, it could be both a poor upbringing and a dependence on alcohol or (heaven forbid) drugs.
IMO, the Browns need to address Manziel's conduct ASAP, before he ends up in one of the NFL's programs.
It's beginning to look as though Manziel needs a big brother around to watch over him, 24/7.
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Just curious - what has he done that has been disrespectful? Sure he has done some things that I wouldn't do now, but most certainly would have at 21, especially if I had millions of dollars.
I had a great upbringing, was taught right from wrong, to treat others as you expect to be treated, etc but at 21 I certainly did some stupid things. It is part of growing up, most of which thank God was done without social media. I can't imagine social media plus having the press following you 24/7.
I don't feel that is making excuses. I could honestly care less what he does off the field so long as it is legal and it doesn't affect his performance playing football. I'm in a wait and see mode with that; I didn't really care if we drafted him or not, but he's a Brown now and I'll support him.
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Mac and Pit,the Morality Nazis.
No fun for You!
Wasn't Johnny Rotten the lead singer for the Sex Pistols?That's a crew that had no morals.
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No fun for You!
Wasn't Johnny Rotten the lead singer for the Sex Pistols?That's a crew that had no morals.
Lydon's actually one of the nicer people you'll ever meet. Very well-spoken, very polite.
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I believe you and Anarchy to be correct,now.
It is amazing what maturity does to a person.
So there is hope for our little johnny rotten.
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No fun for You!
Wasn't Johnny Rotten the lead singer for the Sex Pistols?That's a crew that had no morals.
There is language in the NFL about your conduct. What you do, or get away with reflect on the FO and coaching staff. As a rookie, you have to earn the respect of your team. If you feel that showing up on TMZ and in the media looking like the party boy is going to accomplish such respect, we disagree.
It's up to Johnny Football to use some caution and discretion in his actions. If you'd bother to read the thread, I've never objected to the fact that he parties. It's the careless way he does it that gets it in the media which shows poor judgment and no respect for his team mates or the team.
At least I can see how other players may see it that way. I mean here's some rookie out there acting silly when he's supposed to be our leader of the future?
He can have fun and party without being front page news if he would just use his brain.
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I didn't want to draft Manziel. I think I was pretty clear on that from the beginning. That being said...
I don't see anything wrong with his behavior. It's not like he is out drinking and driving. He is just out having fun with his friends on his time off. He seems to work plenty hard on the practice field and the coaches like his attitude for meetings and classes.
He is a VERY young QB. It shows. Another reason I think Hoyer will be our starter this year. Manziel will be allowed to blow off steam as he gets taught the offense. I don't think he yet believes he won't be handed the starting job. When Hoyer starts game one it's going to be the wake up call he needs. He is an intelligent person and will begin to understand better from watching Hoyer what he needs to do to be a starter.
In the mean time cut the kid some slack. He isn't harming anybody and the "fun" guy persona is not hurting his rep with his team mates. They prob love it atm. It wont be till he is actually the starter that they will care and even then I think his charisma will win them over.
What really makes or breaks him will be his ability to learn to read defenses and be more patient in the pocket.
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If football and baseball don't work out ........ Johnny Manziel 'drafted' by Harlem Globetrotters | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/johnny_manziel_drafted_by_harl.htmlCLEVELAND, Ohio - Move over Johnny Football and Johnny Baseball. Johnny Basketball has arrived on the scene. The Harlem Globetrotters have "drafted" Browns rookie quarterback Johnny Manziel, meaning he's hit the trifecta of professional sports over the last seven weeks. In addition to being drafted No. 22 overall by the Browns, he was drafted in the 28th round by the San Diego Padres and now the Globetrotters. "We like to think outside the box with our draft, so we look at all different kinds of athletes that could have the qualities of a Harlem Globetrotter," Sweet Lou Dunbar, the Globetrotters' director of player personnel said in a release. "Johnny Manziel is a fantastic athlete that knows how to be entertaining. 'Johnny Basketball' has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?" The team also tabbed soccer standout Landon Donovan, who was left off the U.S. World Cup squad. "Landon Donovan can handle a ball," says Dunbar. Manziel's selection was announced Tuesday as part of the Globetrotters' eighth annual draft of "world-class" athletes. Here is a look at some Youtube video of Manziel on the hardwood during his time at Texas A&M:
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Mike Evans doesn't think Johnny Manziel will go out during Browns training camp: 'he'll be devoted' By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group Follow on Twitter on June 24, 2014 at 7:03 PM, updated June 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM BEREA, Ohio -- Bucs receiver Mike Evans knows Johnny Manziel as well as anyone from their three years together at Texas A&M, and is confident he'll buckle down come late July. "In training camp, I don't think he'll go out at all,'' Evans said Tuesday at the NFL Rookie Symposium Play 60 youth clinic for NFC rookies at the Browns facility. "He'll be committed and devoted and fighting for a starting job." Evans, Manziel's leading receiver the past two seasons, has seen the Browns' rookie turn off the party boy act when he needs to. For the past five weekends, Manziel has been Livin' la Vida Loca' from New York to Vegas to Los Angeles to Houston and back. "Yeah, absolutely,'' he said. "In college when he was doing it, I didn't care as long as he was coming to play ball. He's commitment to the team. He's a competitor, and he wants to win. What he does off the field is none of my business." Evans, drafted No. 7 overall, became best friends with Manziel when they were both redshirt freshman. They spent more time with each other than anyone else during their three seasons together and have remained close. "He's a great guy,'' said Evans. "He practiced hard. He came to work. He's one of my best friends. So I wouldn't trade him for anybody. I think he'll be a great pro. He's a great guy. He's a better guy than most people give him credit for." Evans insisted that Manziel, who will be available Friday at the AFC rookies' Play 60 event in Berea, isn't much different than other players his age. "It's just he's under a bigger microscope than everybody,'' said Evans. "Being a Heisman Trophy winner and coming out of college, he's just under a bigger microscope. Everybody does it. When he gets on the field, all of that will go to rest." Evans said Manziel was well-liked in the locker room despite his celebrity status in College Station, Texas. "I loved him,'' said Evans. "A lot of teammates at A&M loved him. I can't speak for the Browns, but I loved him at A&M. ...Sometimes he would hit me up in the summer and say, 'Let's go throw.' And I'd go with him. We'd go hoop sometimes and go work out. It was all fun." Manziel and Evans started working on their scramble chemistry right away during that redshirt year. "He used to do it in scrimmages, run around,'' said Evans. "I remember thinking to myself, 'Man, this guy's got some talent.' Then we just kicked it off our redshirt freshman year. It's a lot of fun. Him running around and seeing him to do that, after the play you're thinking, 'Man, how is that possible?' He's a great player." What's more, Evans was blown away by Manziel's football acumen. "He's the smartest guy I've been around so far,'' he said. "I haven't been around the Bucs that much, but so far, he's the smartest guy." In 2012, Evans caught 82 passes for 1105 yards and five touchdowns. Last year, he caught 69 for 1,394 and 12 scores. "In the game, he can throw great balls with great accuracy,'' said Evans. "He has a great arm. But off the field, he's going to go work with you. We were in the film room sometimes. He tells me how he wants to throw a back shoulder, and he tells me if he wants to throw it over my shoulder. So he's a real smart guy." Evans is confident Manziel will deal with it if he's not he starter, but isn't betting against him. "I think he should be the starter,'' said Evans. "That's my biased opinion. He's a great quarterback. I think he's the best quarterback prospect in this draft, and I think he'll change the program here in Cleveland.'' What's more, he thinks Manziel's wild, improvising style will play well at this level. "The NFL hasn't seen anything like him I don't think,'' he said. "He's a better passer than most people give him credit for and he can adapt." Falcons rookie offensive tackle Jake Matthews, the No. 6 overall pick out of Texas A&M, said Manziel works harder than most folks give him credit for. "Just his determination, his attitude, his work ethic -- he gets after it,'' said Matthews, the nephew of former Browns linebacker Clay Matthews and son of Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews. "When he's on the field, he's got the mindset that no one's better than him. I really enjoyed blocking for him. I'm proud to say I blocked for him and I blocked for a Heisman Trophy Winner and I think he's going to do a lot of really good things here. I'm looking forward to seeing his career.'' He said Manziel had complete command of the huddle. "When he talks, everyone listens and that was one of the things I really picked up from him,'' said Matthews. "His determination, man. He was not going to take no for an answer. That's what I loved about him the most. He's one of truest competitors I've ever seen. I'm excited for him.'' Like Evans, Matthews isn't the least bit concerned about Manziel's off-the-field escapades, including the inflatable swan, the champagne spray, and the money phone. "He came in and worked every day and I know he's going to do that here,'' said Matthews. "He did a lot of good things at A&M and I've got no complaints. He's going to be fine. There's been media stuff like this for awhile and he's always come in and gotten the job done, so I'm not worried about it.'' Matthews acknowledged that blocking for the scrambling Manziel is different, but good. "Most of the time when he started doing that, he made plays and there's time when he got me out of binds by running around,'' Matthews said. "It's a different level that's for sure, the NFL, and he might have to change some things. You don't see many quarterbacks doing that now, but who knows? Maybe he'll start a new trend.'' Finally, after fielding at least a dozen questions about Manziel, Matthews said, "how about another question about Jake or the Falcons?'' Such is life for anyone who plays with Johnny Football. web page
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I'm just giving my opinion. I just don't believe he should have made those statements about how he was going to tone things down if he wasn't going to. Seems to me he played a part until he was drafted then all bets were off.
He sold himself really well with how he acted leading up to the draft and what he said. But after the draft it all seemed to go out the window. I'm just not a big supporter of things like that.
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Maybe he has toned it down.
At any rate, We are Johnny Football, and I Embrace It!
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I've stayed out of these arguments on purpose until now, but I got to peak my mind.
The guy has been seen drinking champagne a couple times. Does anyone know how much he drank? People say he has a drinking problem, but has anyone filmed him during the week drinking? The picture on the swan, did anyone ever think he was just playing it up for the camera? The kid is two years out of highschool.
Has anybody asked people close to him if he is an alcoholic? You see him drinking out of a champagne bottle, does anyone know if he drank the whole bottle or was sharing it?
If you were a young kid with a ton of money, would you tell the girls to stay away?
To me, anyone who is bashing this kid for living a good life, with no proof of him doing anything to hurt his play, is just feeding the media what they want. To me, all you on your high horse condemning this kid, are just what the media wants. They are creating this monster, and you guys are feeding it.
People on here claim he is not putting in the effort to succeed, as much as he is to enjoying the limelight. Prove it, I say. Twisting statements for arguments sake is not proof. The coaches have never shown concern, yet fans think they should. Why? Because some jackaholes on a trashing TV magazine show are trying their hardest to make a villain out of the kid.
Ain't it funny how no of these things are happening during the week? Hell, Rothlisberger took a posse with him everywhere and was seen drinking regularly all over Pittsburgh, but that is OK, because nobody took pictures of him.
I will judge Manziel by his play, not by some crap pictures with no context to them. People want him to fail, so the story gets bigger, IMO, he is going to make fools of a lot of us.
People will call this making excuses, but I'm not. He could easily fail with or without all the media scrutiny. But the questions I'm asking are legit, if you are open minded.
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It took me a while to figure out what devoted meant.. kept reading it as de-voted. I also struggled with go out, which sounded like "go all out" to me Miracle of miracles I haven't cared about the browns since the draft. Go out, don't go out, I don't really care. Even if he is a horrible drunk mess this year, which I dont think he will be at all, but even if he is, there are many seasons in a career. There is time for stupid mistakes if they happen, but lets hope they are avoided.
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Great Post, as usual E.R19.
just to piggy back... we have seen pictures of him on the weekends with his friends out drinking... the weekends.. no DUI, no arrests, no fights, drinking.
TMZ is aso far up the kids arse that he cant move without it being on social networks... dont you think that if he was out partying every night TMZ would have shots of it? They dont. They have three nights out of three weeks.
Perhaps he is actually studying the playbook those nights he strays in? Of course not!.... that would imply he is doing what he needs to do and the haters cannot allow that.
Then we have the retired ( or should be retired ( Quinn)), players, piling on... I read that Emmett Smith is the lastest... A cowboy telling other players not to party.... wonder if he spent anytime with his teammates at the cowboy ranch with the drinking and the coke and the hookers? Nah he was a saint... grab a stone.
Me, I will wait to see him at TC and on the field, articles good or bad mean nothing to me
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just to piggy back... we have seen pictures of him on the weekends with his friends out drinking... the weekends.. no DUI, no arrests, no fights, drinking.
Well Tex...1 out of 3 isn't bad...right
Here is a paragraph from a June 29, 2012 story...
A&M QB Johnny Manziel arrested
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COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- Texas A&M freshman quarterback Johnny Manziel was arrested and jailed early Friday after he was involved in a fight and police said he produced a fake ID.
College Station police spokeswoman Rhonda Seaton says Manziel, 19, was charged with disorderly conduct, failure to identity and possessing a false identification card, all misdemeanors. He was jailed overnight and released Friday afternoon, Seaton said.
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JM wasn't charged with being drunk, but he and his friend had been drinking...maybe the locals cut JM a break since he was associated with the A&M football team.
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just to piggy back... we have seen pictures of him on the weekends with his friends out drinking... the weekends.. no DUI, no arrests, no fights, drinking.
Well Tex...1 out of 3 isn't bad...right
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A&M QB Johnny Manziel arrested
Updated: June 29, 2012, 6:37 PM ETAssociated Press
COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- Texas A&M freshman quarterback Johnny Manziel was arrested and jailed early Friday after he was involved in a fight and police said he produced a fake ID.
College Station police spokeswoman Rhonda Seaton says Manziel, 19, was charged with disorderly conduct, failure to identity and possessing a false identification card, all misdemeanors. He was jailed overnight and released Friday afternoon, Seaton said.
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JM wasn't charged with being drunk, but he and his friend had been drinking...maybe the locals cut JM a break since he was associated with the A&M football team.
LOL Leave it to Mac to find the fly in the ointment 
Geez Mac, that was two years ago.. he's young now, he was younger then, give the kid a break... 
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I'm not the only one concerned with JM's drinking which is very likely the source reason for his conduct.
This story is an excellent read for all Browns fans.
Below, I posted a couple of paragraphs to let fans know a little about Johnny's past. Take the time to read the entire story...
THE TROUBLE WITH JOHNNY Johnny Manziel can't escape the pull of his celebrity, and it could derail his career. Originally Published: July 30, 2013 By Wright Thompson | ESPN The Magazine THE MORE FAMOUS Johnny gets, the more he becomes a mystery to his parents. "I really don't know what makes him tick," Paul says. This spring Johnny flew to Toronto for the weekend to hang out with Drake and his crew. His mom panicked when she heard, sure that the last thing her son needed was a rapper, who certainly would fill Johnny's head with terrible ideas. She said she felt sick to her stomach. Instead, Johnny came back visibly lighter, with new clues on how to handle his growing fame. She said a prayer afterward, thanking God for knowing what her son needed more than she or Paul did. She also mourned a little because her baby had more in common with international superstar musicians than with his mom and dad. Michelle's friends keep trying to tell her an uncomfortable truth: "Nothing will ever be the same." They're concerned. Paul thinks Johnny drinks to deal with the stress. After his arrest, Johnny's parents and Sumlin mandated he visit an alcohol counselor; Johnny saw him six or seven weeks during the season. About the only place they still see the real him is on the football field. Mostly what they see is the emotional byproduct of whatever is chewing him up inside. "I don't know where the anger comes from," Paul says. "I don't think he knows. If it comes from his drinking, or if he's mad at himself for not being a better person when he fails, when he fails God and his mom and me. If it makes him angry that he's got demons in him. You can only speculate because you can't go in there." Something's different. That much they know. A few years ago, Michelle sat on a beach with her children in California and they all agreed that tattoos didn't correspond with Texas values. She cried when she found out this offseason that Johnny had gotten inked. Had he changed? After a workout, he tried to show her his tattoo of a Bible quote from Proverbs, but she refused to look. At dinner one night this summer, she brought up Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber and how they've come undone in public. They're chasing something, but she can't for the life of her figure out what that might be, which is frightening. Is her son chasing it too? Both his parents believe he won't return for another season in College Station, and until he leaves, they can give love and support and pray that Johnny Football doesn't completely devour Johnathan Manziel. "Yeah," Paul says one evening, driving in his car, "it could come unraveled. And when it does, it's gonna be bad. Real bad." He imagines a late-night call, and the cable news ticker, and the next morning's headlines. "It's one night away from the phone ringing," he says, "and he's in jail. And you know what he's gonna say? 'It's better than all the pressure I've been under. This is better than that.'" web page
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or it could fuel him to great heights.. Which is true?
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The following story dates back to this year's combine.
Some were concerned about Manziels drinking and raised the issue in this interview... Johnny Manziel addresses counseling sessions at Texas A&M Updated: Feb. 21, 2014 at 10:43 p.m INDIANAPOLIS -- Johnny Manziel was quizzed about reported counseling he received at Texas A&M for alcohol and anger management issues Friday at the NFL Scouting Combine, and unlike his answers to virtually every other question he received in a 15-minute stretch with dozens of reporters, his response to that one didn't completely make sense. Initially Manziel said those reports, derived from an espn.com feature story published last summer, were untrue. He then, however, went on to detail counseling he received at the behest of Aggies coach Kevin Sumlin. He also indicated the counseling began last spring, but went on for "a couple of years." "After last spring, coach Sumlin kind of came to me and said they had an in-house guy, wanted me to just sit down and meet with him. I was more than willing to learn whatever I could from him and sit down and have meetings with him," Manziel said. "Those continued throughout the next couple of years. Had a great relationship with (the counselor), and it's really nothing more than that." Manziel's initial refuting of the report could have been in regard to the anger management element of the story. A follow-up question about the alcohol counseling asked Manziel specifically what his counselor's title was, which he couldn't recall. The former Heisman Trophy winner is among the most scrutinized prospects available in the 2014 draft, in part because of his off-field reputation as a partier, and as well, because he is expected to be chosen early in the first round. Manziel said he would love to stay in his home state to play for the Houston Texans, who hold the No. 1 overall pick and are in need of a quarterback. A few other key remarks from Manziel: » On his 5-11 3/4 height measurement: "I feel like I play 10-feet tall." » On misconceptions about his ability: "I'm just looking to show up all the people who are saying that I'm just an improviser. I feel like I worked extremely hard this year to all around hone in on my game. So continuing to do that. I'm working out in San Diego, continuing to do that and get better as a pocket passer and a quarterback in general." » On what makes him special: "I think I'm probably one of the most competitive people on the face of the earth. Whether it's sitting here playing tic-tac-toe or rock-paper-scissors or whatever it may be, I want to win. It's something that really, dating back to all the way to being a kid, I don't like the taste of losing." » On his poor performance against LSU: "It was a game that felt like just a little off, in all aspects. There's really no excuses. There was a fade route, I remember, down the sideline Mike Evans gets off great press coverage. A ball that I hit Mike with nine times out of ten, ten times out of ten, and just overthrew him about three yards. It was something that was just a really uncharacteristic day." » On increasing his maturity in the NFL: "Absolutely. I believe whenever I decided to make this decision to turn professional that it was a time to really put my college years in the past. This is a job now. There are guys' families, coaches' families, jobs, on the line. For me, it won't be a hard thing to kick or anything. It won't be a hard deal to not do. I'll be extremely focused on whatever organization I'll be at, and really pour my heart out to try and be football 24/7 with that team." web page
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Finally it's here.
The greatly anticipated Mac and his Link-O-Rama
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I've stayed out of these arguments on purpose until now, but I got to peak my mind.
The guy has been seen drinking champagne a couple times. Does anyone know how much he drank? People say he has a drinking problem, but has anyone filmed him during the week drinking? The picture on the swan, did anyone ever think he was just playing it up for the camera? The kid is two years out of highschool.
Has anybody asked people close to him if he is an alcoholic? You see him drinking out of a champagne bottle, does anyone know if he drank the whole bottle or was sharing it?
If you were a young kid with a ton of money, would you tell the girls to stay away?
To me, anyone who is bashing this kid for living a good life, with no proof of him doing anything to hurt his play, is just feeding the media what they want. To me, all you on your high horse condemning this kid, are just what the media wants. They are creating this monster, and you guys are feeding it.
People on here claim he is not putting in the effort to succeed, as much as he is to enjoying the limelight. Prove it, I say. Twisting statements for arguments sake is not proof. The coaches have never shown concern, yet fans think they should. Why? Because some jackaholes on a trashing TV magazine show are trying their hardest to make a villain out of the kid.
Ain't it funny how no of these things are happening during the week? Hell, Rothlisberger took a posse with him everywhere and was seen drinking regularly all over Pittsburgh, but that is OK, because nobody took pictures of him.
I will judge Manziel by his play, not by some crap pictures with no context to them. People want him to fail, so the story gets bigger, IMO, he is going to make fools of a lot of us.
People will call this making excuses, but I'm not. He could easily fail with or without all the media scrutiny. But the questions I'm asking are legit, if you are open minded.
Good stuff. 
The kid is most probably acting like an angel compared to most of us when we were 21 years old. Albeit a wealthy wealthy angel.
On a Saturday(I believe) a few weeks ago on 92.3 the fan I think it was Joe Lull seriously wondered why Manziel wasn't, in his spare time, doing things that Lull used to do in his off time/down time at age 21. Things like staying home and writing poetry, etc. The guy was dead serious.
Imo if he isn't smoking crack or beating women he can do whatever he wants to do.
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A 19 year old with a fake ID?????? That MUST be the first of its kind!
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Some of you have the wrong impression concerning the information I'm posting about Manziel. I'm not knocking the kid, just trying to educate everyone about a potential problem that the Browns should be concerned about.
No doubt the Browns already knew about JM's drinking and the potential problems that could result from it. The last thing the Browns need is a QB who is enrolled in Roger Goodell's 3 steps and your out program. Hopefully those in charge within the franchise, will be pro-active and do whatever is necessary to see that JM is supported, if needed.
Johnny Manziel is our QB and I support him 100%...I want him to grow and mature as a QB and as a man. Hopefully JM will find someone he can lean on...someone who help him make the right choices. Surrounding yourself with "drinking buddies" from the past...that is the last thing JM needs, IMO.
Any of you who have been forced to deal with alcoholism know how destructive it can be to your life and how difficult it can be to control. I hope Johnny's drinking is only social and that he does have it under his control...but my fear is, JM is tiptoeing on the edge.
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Again, for those of you who believe that "mac" is the only one to recognize that Manziel could have an issue with his drinking...read this...
Is it time for Johnny Manziel to man up and act like a Brown?: Hey Mary Kay
By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group
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on June 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM, updated June 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Got Browns questions? Send them to Hey Mary Kay! here.
Hey, Mary Kay: I am a longtime Browns fan who continues to be concerned about Johnny Manziel's childish behavior. He hasn't played an NFL snap and in my opinion has been a major distraction. Isn't it time for him to man up and act like a Brown?
- Larry Smith, Lexington , Ky.
Hey Larry: Yes, it is time for Johnny Manziel to buckle down and focus on winning the starting quarterback job. It's also time for the Browns and other people in Manziel's life to pull him aside and address his drinking. I'm guessing the Browns are already doing this, but keeping it private. With the pattern Manziel has shown since being drafted, it's time to have him evaluated by a chemical dependency counselor to make sure he doesn't have a problem. If he checks out okay, he needs to follow Joe Haden's advice: when he and his friends are out, put away the phones.
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With the pattern Manziel has shown since being drafted, it's time to have him evaluated by a chemical dependency counselor to make sure he doesn't have a problem.
That is a pretty bold statement to be calling someone out in a paper for and Manziel's people should at the very least be threatening to sue her for it.
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mac, to that story you posted. It sounds to me like his immediate family are the source of his grief. Who the hell airs their own family's dirty laundry in the media like that? Hell, if my parents were saying these things to the national media when I was his age I'd probably look to other people and places for acceptance too.
Who know what he grew up with if his parents are talking this crap to the media now. He must have had one hell of a struggle growing up.
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I'm not knocking the kid, just trying to educate everyone about a potential problem that the Browns should be concerned about.
Now you've got to be careful in your assuming that you are the only one knowledgeable enough to google stories so that you can "educate everyone". We've been through this before. What I'm saying is, don't talk like you are the only one who has read these articles. They're all over the internet.
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Great Post, as usual E.R19.
just to piggy back... we have seen pictures of him on the weekends with his friends out drinking... the weekends.. no DUI, no arrests, no fights, drinking.
Well Tex...1 out of 3 isn't bad...right
Here is a paragraph from a June 29, 2012 story...
A&M QB Johnny Manziel arrested
Updated: June 29, 2012, 6:37 PM ETAssociated Press
COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- Texas A&M freshman quarterback Johnny Manziel was arrested and jailed early Friday after he was involved in a fight and police said he produced a fake ID.
College Station police spokeswoman Rhonda Seaton says Manziel, 19, was charged with disorderly conduct, failure to identity and possessing a false identification card, all misdemeanors. He was jailed overnight and released Friday afternoon, Seaton said.
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JM wasn't charged with being drunk, but he and his friend had been drinking...maybe the locals cut JM a break since he was associated with the A&M football team.
Sorry i thougght we were talking about him as a brown, my bad.
You are correct he did get in a fight at 19 AND a fake ID... do not think he has had anything since then; which would indicate this is not a patterned behavior.
More to my point... if he was getting wasted and into fights nightly it would be all over social networks and TMZ... they have produced three weekends,... one in Vegas which I have no issue with, the money phone was just him being stupid, where he needs to grow up and one shot of him drinking from a bottle of champoagne means nothing because it is one photo and nothing more.
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As we all knew would happen, too much is being made of him. I'm assuming since no photos have shown up of any other Browns player that none of them drink on the weekends. 
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As we all knew would happen, too much is being made of him. I'm assuming since no photos have shown up of any other Browns player that none of them drink on the weekends.
And to me, that's the entire point. Even Joe Haden said they did. He also said you can do that in a way that keeps your pictures and name out of the spotlight. To me, that's the issue.
One would have to deduce one of two things here IMO....
Either he doesn't have the sense to listen to the veterans and keep his name out of the headlines.
Or he simply loves and craves the attention and headlines.
As I've said before, many clubs cater to celebrity's and have ways of keeping your party private. How else do you think other athletes do it? Either Johnny Football doesn't want to keep things on the down low or doesn't care the reputation he seems to be building that casts a negative light to so many.
IMO, neither of those is good.
Most of what media sites like TMZ shows, are pictures sold to them. You have a choice to keep things in a private setting or not. Surely those Johnny Football have as advisors understand that having these types of things cropping up all over the place are not playing to his advantage. Unless of course the bad boy image is what he's trying to build.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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With the pattern Manziel has shown since being drafted, it's time to have him evaluated by a chemical dependency counselor to make sure he doesn't have a problem.
That is a pretty bold statement to be calling someone out in a paper for and Manziel's people should at the very least be threatening to sue her for it.
How can you sue someone for expressing an opinion?
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There are pictures of Josh Gordon and Haden with champagne bottles. It's just that no one cares about them :P 
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With the pattern Manziel has shown since being drafted, it's time to have him evaluated by a chemical dependency counselor to make sure he doesn't have a problem.
That is a pretty bold statement to be calling someone out in a paper for and Manziel's people should at the very least be threatening to sue her for it.
How can you sue someone for expressing an opinion?
This is America. Anything is possible.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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With the pattern Manziel has shown since being drafted, it's time to have him evaluated by a chemical dependency counselor to make sure he doesn't have a problem.
That is a pretty bold statement to be calling someone out in a paper for and Manziel's people should at the very least be threatening to sue her for it.
How can you sue someone for expressing an opinion?
This is America. Anything is possible.
yes, anything is possible.
also, MKC is crossing the line from concern over possibility to directly stating that he needs to be evaluated for chemical dependency with no proof other than a TMZ report about him drinking on a weekend in Vegas?
pretty sure that qualifies under written defamation
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With the pattern Manziel has shown since being drafted, it's time to have him evaluated by a chemical dependency counselor to make sure he doesn't have a problem.
That is a pretty bold statement to be calling someone out in a paper for and Manziel's people should at the very least be threatening to sue her for it.
How can you sue someone for expressing an opinion?
This is America. Anything is possible.
yes, anything is possible.
also, MKC is crossing the line from concern over possibility to directly stating that he needs to be evaluated for chemical dependency with no proof other than a TMZ report about him drinking on a weekend in Vegas?
pretty sure that qualifies under written defamation
In order to have a defamation suit, you need to show that false statements were made that are/were damaging to one's reputation.
MKC's opinion isn't false, it's her opinion. On top of that, there's more than enough evidence to show her opinion was/is a reasonable assumption.
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