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And the other thing I find completely hilarious is that most people aren't mad about what Johnny is doing ... they are mad that he's not hiding it. There's some logic for you. As if by hiding it, that would make him a better QB.
Excellent point.
I disagree, hiding it doesn't make it better, broadcasting it just makes it worse. For example, let's say Joe Thomas get interviewed.
"Hey Joe, what do you think about Jf's latest escapade".
It's a distraction. I think most fans get it, 21 year olds like to party. JM is not your average 21 year old, he has way more responsibility. He then needs to be more responsible with his partying, his press conference today does not lead me to believe that he sees that.
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None of this moralizing has anything to do with winning football games.
Where have I moralized?
Or was that just a general comment?
No I don't accuse you specifically of moralizing. You just happened to be the last responder before I wrote my post. But I did go back and read some of your entries, to get some sense of where you stand of the issue. You do indicate you think he's at risk to fail. You suggest these weekend activities are an indication of his intelligence but we haven't actually seen that connection to on the field performance as of yet. With all due respect that assertion is flimsy at this point.
A significant amount of the controversy is from pics taken by other people. Perhaps people unknown to Johnny, lookers-on. I don't expect him to cloister himself just to avoid that.
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Report: Jimmy Haslam wants Johnny Manziel to tone it down
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 27, 2014, 6:17 PM EDT
It’s not just fans and members of the media who are focusing on the off-field activities of Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel. Browns owner Jimmy Haslam is also taking notice — and he doesn’t like what he sees.
That’s the word from Chris Mortensen of ESPN, who reported on the air today that Haslam wants Manziel to tone it down. Haslam was apparently bothered by the video that surfaced of Manziel holding a large stack of cash up to his ear, pretending it was a phone, and saying, “”I can’t hear you. There’s too much money in my f–king hand.”
“It did not sit well with the owner Jimmy Haslam, who did instruct his staff to at least have a talk with Johnny about being more savvy as he deals with social media,” Mortensen said, via Cleveland.com. “We know you’re young. We know you’re single. Joe Montana himself said that Bill Walsh pulled him aside, and that was before the age of social media. Johnny Manziel has been told to tone it down, and to watch what goes up on social media.”
But while Haslam may have passed that message along, Manziel apparently didn’t get it: Manziel has already declared that he won’t change his ways.
And while Haslam may have a point that Manziel would be better off toning things down off the field, one wonders: What did Haslam expect? Haslam excitedly said after the Browns drafted Manziel that everyone in Cleveland — even homeless people — was excited about Johnny Football. The Johnny Football persona isn’t just about what Manziel did on the field at Texas A&M, any more than the Broadway Joe persona was all about what Joe Namath did on the football field. When Haslam’s Browns drafted Johnny Manziel, they knew they were getting Johnny Football as part of the bargain.
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Well mort, I believe Haslam expects the proper degree of respect from a "wet behind the ears rookie".
It doesn't matter where a rookie is drafted or what position he plays, all rookies should show a degree of respect for those who are attempting to help with sound advice.
The fact that Manziel was "Johnny Football" in college, means absolutely zero now that he's in the Pros. Manziel has to prove himself all over again and as of today, Johnny Football is stuck in reverse, digging himself a place way down on the end of the bench until he proves to his teammates, coaches and management and ownership that he understands what it means to be "a member of the Cleveland Browns".
Johnny...meet Jimmy...the man who signs your check.
I would expect to see Manziel listed as #3 or #4 on the depth chart when he returns for training camp...running laps and peddling a stationary bike.
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A significant amount of the controversy is from pics taken by other people. Perhaps people unknown to Johnny, lookers-on. I don't expect him to cloister himself just to avoid that.
I disagree, that money phone bothered a lot of people, including the Cleveland Browns.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/cleveland_browns_tell_johnny_m.html#incart_2box
I understand the paparazzi victim angle, not with Jf though.
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Ok, can you articulate what was so bothersome about it? He dropped some F-bombs. How does that relate to preparation to play QB?
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It has nothing to do with qb preparation, it has to do with representing a brand and perception.
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From where I sit "representing a brand and perception" are trumped by winning. That does smell like moralizing.
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I have doubts he will ever stop this behavior as he seems to feed on the media mania. He wants to be Hollywood. I am thinking the only thing that will straighten him out is whenever he does start a game and the defense pile drives his dumb self into the ground.
Basically he needs a wake up call. Other people criticing him isn't it.
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From where I sit "representing a brand and perception" are trumped by winning. That does smell like moralizing.
Well he hasn't done that yet, so in the mean time, it's a distraction. We were all 21 before, morals are the last of my objections to this situation.
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Let me preempt a response I feel coming at some point. I actually think Hoyer is the best option for starting this season. Johnny needs to learn the craft of being an NFL QB. In the mean time I just think the media and fans should get off his jock and stop over scrutinizing every thing he does.
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your wrong. it has to do with the team behind you. what the team see. I know if I was on a team with a leader that had proved nothing I would be pissed with him. he wants to be a leader he better tone it down. jmo
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Ok, can you articulate what was so bothersome about it? He dropped some F-bombs. How does that relate to preparation to play QB?
Something has seriously been lost in the translation here. Johnny Football was paid over 6 mil. to play for and represent the Cleveland Browns.
Many companies and corporations search your history and take such matters seriously. If you had just paid a person over 6 mil. to be the face of your franchise, is this the manner you would want to be represented in?
These guys aren't just paid to play a game. It's not that simple. Some wish to make it so, but that is simply not true. We all know from his own words that the players are sick of being asked about his antics. Do you think they're getting sick of the people asking the questions or the one who is creating the situations the questions are being asked about?
It seems Joe Haden made that pretty clear in his comments about Manziel needing to keep his partying more private. Do you really think he's alone?
Johnny Football has to earn the respect of his team mate in order to ever lead them. Do you believe his actions are furthering that goal?
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I think that makes me right, but we can agree to disagree. I believe he did say his teammates were bothered by his the media circus. If that is the case, what can he do to help his teammates out?
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If he wants to be a leader he needs to show up everyday. Work on his game everyday. He need to show ON THE FIELD that he has a grasp of the offense. He needs to work hard and not expect any thing to be handed to him. He needs to accept coaching. He needs to avoid carrying himself as if he's not buying in to team goals or that his celebrity makes him privileged.
By all accounts he is doing that.
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It seems Joe Haden made that pretty clear in his comments about Manziel needing to keep his partying more private. Do you really think he's alone?
You nailed it.
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Ok, can you articulate what was so bothersome about it?
It's an indication of immaturity, stupidity, and poor judgement.
Not exactly the traits you want in a QB.
If it were an isolated incident, that would be one thing. But he has a long track record of exhibiting these traits.
Making mistakes is one thing. Not learning from them is another.
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As an analogy. When the beautiful woman with everything that men desire gets all of the attention from guys who can't seem to control themselves is it her responsibility to strap down her goodies and dress like a nun just to get along with everyone else? Or is the fault and responsibility on those doing the salivating?
More specific to the point. Terrence West whose quote was contorted into some statement about the distraction that Johnny is responsible for is not really talking about Johnny at all. He's talking about the media and their sensationalism.
Here's the totality of what West said:
on June 27, 2014 at 3:09 PM, updated June 27, 2014 at 7:30 PM
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Browns' rookie Terrance West agrees with Johnny Manziel that teammates are tired of the partying questions
BEREA, Ohio -- Browns rookie running back Terrance West confirmed what Johnny Manziel said Friday: that Manziel's teammates are tired of being grilled about his off-the-field activities.
"Yes, because it's a distraction,'' West said the NFL Rookie Symposium Play 60 youth clinic at the Browns facility Friday. "We're here to play football and it's all about all of his off-the-field stuff, so it's a distraction.''
Does he wish it would stop?
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"He's enjoying life,'' said West, the Browns' third-round pick out of Towson. "He's not doing anything negative. He's not getting arrested or getting DUIs or anything like that. I don't think it's a big deal. Everyone's supposed to enjoy life and have fun.''
West pointed to Manziel goofing around with kids after the youth clinic and signing dozens of autographs. Manziel was a natural with the kids both during the clinic and at the lunch afterwards. They flocked to him and he seemed to be having a ball.
"He enjoys life but he's also out here signing autographs for kids and there's also a good side,'' said West. "Everybody's always focusing on the negative, but there's a lot of positive too.''
West said folks are so focused on Manziel that they're missing out on the other players.
"There's a lot of other great stories here too,'' he said.
Manziel noted Friday that his weekend adventures aren't hurting teammates but the questions about it are.
"My teammates are getting tired of being asked about me because I'm a low man on the totem pole,'' he said. "I'm just like any other rookie out here that they haven't been asked about a thousand times. More than anything, I think they're tired of that. They're tired of the hype, which I am as well. So I'm sitting there seeing these things and I'm tired of it as well.
"I want to wake up one week and not have my name going though something and I'm working on getting better at that, but if I want to go home and spend time with my friends or go out on my weekends, I absolutely have the right to do that. We're going to get a little bit of a break here and I'm going to still continue to work out and do the things I need to do and hopefully not let that come between me and my teammates."
Even Manziel's former teammates are fed up with Manziel Mania. Former Texas A&M tackle Jake Matthews, a first-round pick of the Falcons, grew weary after a dozen Manziel questions Monday at the NFC rookies Play 60 event.
"How about another question about Jake or the Falcons?'' he said.
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Ok, can you articulate what was so bothersome about it?
It's an indication of immaturity, stupidity, and poor judgement.
Not exactly the traits you want in a QB.
If it were an isolated incident, that would be one thing. But he has a long track record of exhibiting these traits.
Making mistakes is one thing. Not learning from them is another.
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bottom line is that no one on the team thinks it is good. hear some half butt things to try to support him but....
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Kinda stuff that can cause a team to rally around the guy, if he can now perform at a high level.
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Any of you hung up on my use of the term moralize your argument here is also misguided. Be upset with Webster, not me...
mor·al·ize verb \ˈmȯr-ə-ˌlīz, ˈmär-\
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I think Johnny just needs to go to clubs where they have some strict no photo rules.
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The "storm" around Manziel, from Joe Montana to Emmitt Smith to Jimmy Haslam has not been from those people volunteering their opinions, but from the media ASKING for those opinions. Opinions are like A**holes, everybody has one. Joe Montana did not call a press conference to say that Manziel should tone it down, neither did Smith. They were asked for their opinions as part of interviews covering other topics.
Many on here were so upset that that the Browns were never noticed by the National Media. Be careful what you wish for ... As someone who has worked in the media, I can tell you, Sensationalist Reporters look for blood, if they can't find any, they find a way to create it.
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Manziel: 'I don't think I'm doing anything wrong' . Associated Press By TOM WITHERS 9 hours ago BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Johnny's gonna play and Johnny's gonna party. Tired of scrutiny about how he spends his weekends away from football and drained by the spotlight that follows him, Browns rookie quarterback Johnny Manziel said he has no plans to tone down his lifestyle. "I don't think I'm doing anything wrong," he said. Speaking at a PLAY 60 event with other AFC rookies, Manziel said he's been bothered by recent criticism about his behavior. Since being drafted by the Browns in the first round in May, Manziel's weekend adventures — hanging out poolside with Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski in Las Vegas, photographed on a swan raft while drinking champagne, shown in a video talking into a stack of money as if it were a phone — have added to the legend of Johnny Football. Manziel understands it may not be a good look, but he's not a party animal. "I'm going out," he said. "Everybody goes out on the weekends and enjoys their life and lives their life. And just for them, they don't have people that when they walk into a place pull out their phones and all they want to do is follow me around and record everything. My situation is unique and different and now more than ever I've seen that it's an every weekend thing wherever I'm at — whether it's in Cleveland on a weekend, or in Dallas or anywhere on a weekend, people want to record what I'm doing because they think it's a story. "Everybody goes out and has fun. Everybody goes out and does that and I'm not doing anything that's putting myself in a harmful situation." In the past few days, Hall of Famers Emmitt Smith, Joe Montana and Warren Moon have all said Manziel should focus on his playing career, and it might help if he curtailed some of the other stuff. Manziel respects the opinions of the legends, but says some of the media reports about him have been distorted. "Just what's getting out on social media doesn't mean that's all I'm doing in my life," he said. "Just my weekends aren't what I'm doing, seven days a week. That's two days out of the week and there's five to six other days when I'm here at this building going through my playbook and working out just like every other rookie, so nothing that I'm doing on the weekends is affecting my job." Manziel spent the morning throwing touchdown passes to wide-eyed youngsters, who were thrilled to be around him. Manziel greeted each with a high-five or handshake and "What's up?" As they put the kids through some drills, the Browns' other rookies enjoyed giving Manziel a hard time about his celebrity. "Which one of us is Johnny Manziel?" linebacker Chris Kirksey asked one group. Manziel said the endless attention on him has made things tougher for teammates, who have been asked for their take on all things Johnny. "They're tired of that," he said. "They're tired of the hype. I'm tired of it as well. I want to wake up one week and not have my name going through something and I'm working on getting better at that. But if I want to go home and spend time with my friends or go out on my weekends, I absolutely have the right to do that." Browns coach Mike Pettine has said the team will not intervene with Manziel — or any of Cleveland's players — as long as they're not involved in criminal activity and it's not affecting their work. Manziel said the Browns have not told him to "cool it." "I'm not going to change who I am for anybody," he said. "I'm growing up and continuing to learn from my mistakes and trying not to make the same ones over and over again, but am I going to live in a shell or am I just going to hide from everybody and not do anything? "I'm very committed to football. I'm committed to my job, but on the weekends, I'm going to enjoy my time off. We deserve it. We work hard here. I am going to enjoy my time off. I'm very about football and very about my job, which doesn't get reported or won't get reported, but I am going to enjoy my time off. "That's I think what everybody else does and that's what I should do." ___ http://news.yahoo.com/manziel-dont-think-im-doing-anything-wrong-151852637--spt.html
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I don't have a Johnny agenda, I just want Hoyer to do well. Someone compared JM to Eddie Haskell and the beavers. A saint before the draft, not so much after the draft 
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JMO but I don't think JF is the face of this franchise. He may be a headline or two, but he's not the face. I think Joe Haden has secured himself that title but that is also JMO.
Personally, I could care less what any of these players do off field as long as it isn't criminal activity, hinders their actions/abilities on-field and etc. Thus far, there is no evidence to support he's doing anything criminal, and everyone is saying he's working hard in practice.
Let us act like we didn't have childhoods and didn't do a little partying and etc. Man if there were camera phones and etc during my younger days, there be some silly thigns of me posted too. I'm sure many, if not all, would be able to say the same thing.
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I actually agree with everything he said in that article.
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I agree with everything Jimmy Haslam said, concerning Manziel's off the field conduct....
So, who do you think wins this peeing contest between Manziel and Haslam?
What Manziel doesn't seem to get, he is now a member of the Cleveland Browns, 24/7 and his off the field conduct does reflect upon the franchise.
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So, who do you think wins this peeing contest between Manziel and Haslam?
What Manziel doesn't seem to get, he is now a member of the Cleveland Browns, 24/7 and his off the field conduct does reflect upon the franchise.
Which is what some people seem to dismiss. You aren't just picked and signed to be a QB. He was chosen to be the face of the franchise. I'm sure that's what so many have an issue with.
People can dismiss it and make excuses for that all they like, but there's more to a 1st round 6+ mil contract than playing football.
And people also seem to overlook that Johnny Football played the part by keeping his name out of the spotlight and saying this wouldn't be an issue......... until he was drafted. Then he forgot all of that. Eddie Haskell was a good comparison.
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Joe Namath was the face of the NY Jets, and he set the gold standard for partying in his day. He just didn't live in the era of Twitter and Instagram. Manziel will find the balance between dedication to his job and his normal desire for a lively social life as a single and rich young man. He will figure it out, and he will succeed or fail on the merits of his play inside the lines.
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Kinda stuff that can cause a team to rally around the guy, if he can now perform at a high level.
And at least has the potential to be the complete opposite if not. Polarizing. He is who we all knew he is, so the Browns people have to take a look in the mirror first before crying about JM behaviour. They drafted him and they knew him, so if he acts accordingly it's also on them. They are in this boat together as far as I see it.
I'm sure his teammates are already fed up with being asked about him on every turn, I know I would, especially since he has done nothing in the league yet. The locker room will know him best and if they see he doesn't put the work in and acts likes an idiot, the resentment will rise with every question about his antics and even heroics if he delivers. It's a fine line and not much rope there imho where JM is balancing right now. He acts like a celebrity first, football player second. He knows he has a "career" to fall back on and he already said he doesn't care what people think of all of that.
To me, he's a ticking time bomb and taking him over Bridgewater will turn out to be yet another epic "Browns mistake", that's my gut feeling and opinion as of now, so don't burn me for it. I do sincerely hope to be completely wrong and he's the saviour, but I just don't see it with this guy.
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I would rather have taken Bridgewater too, but we have to deal with what "is". I believe Manziel has already exhibited the ability to downplay his habits during the months before the draft. From January to May we heard and saw nothing that would indicate a behavioral problem with Manziel. He didn't even attend the Super Bowl, turning down many invitations. He has shown the ability to turn it off - as needed - and I see no reason to believe he won't be able to do that when TC starts. In the meantime, let him have his fun, he's not hurting anyone. Reality will set in soon enough.
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DJ...I'm concerned about Manziel's conduct, BUT, I do believe he will figure it out.
It's probably a good thing that Manziel and Haslam are getting acquainted now...btw, my money is on Haslam to win this scrimmage with lil Johnny.
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All that matters, short of murdering your wife and a waiter who brought her watch home to her, is what he does on the field.
If he racks up the TDs and yards on field, no one will care if he's a raucous playboy off the field. Then his off-field antics will just be comic relief.
If he becomes Ryan Leaf part II, then everyone will also pile on the off-field goofiness x10, but the off-field stuff really won't be an actual factor.
All that matters is what he does on the field, and we don't know that yet. Even after his rookie season we may still be in doubt. We still weren't 100% sure about Weeden at that point: there was still some hope for him. He didn't do his total embarrassing meltdown until Year Two. Even Ryan Leaf looked good after the first month, though he was an obvious disaster by the end of his rookie year after all his Vegas partying.
So, let's talk about his off-field stuff in November, and see how it looks then.
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Joe Namath was the face of the NY Jets, and he set the gold standard for partying in his day. He just didn't live in the era of Twitter and Instagram. Manziel will find the balance between dedication to his job and his normal desire for a lively social life as a single and rich young man. He will figure it out, and he will succeed or fail on the merits of his play inside the lines.
Which is kind of the point. This isn't the 60's anymore. People have to live accordingly. Like I have said multiple times, having fun isn't the issue here. As another poster pointed out, he had no trouble turning it off pre-draft.
I think all some are hoping for is that he do that again. He's shown he knows how to do that. He does represent the franchise. I'd be willing to bet, at this juncture, having not even played a down in the NFL, if you had just paid him over 6 mil., you wouldn't be happy about the entire circus atmosphere being brought to the team after him showing he knows how to avoid it and that's what he claimed would do and advertised pre-draft.
I know I wouldn't.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I have a suggestion for you and others who are taking this stance. Start backtracking now. It will save you some embarrassment down the road if JM turns out to be the guy to lead us out of the abyss. Because I can guarantee two things: Manziel is not going to change and if he turns out to be real good, all these complaints about his behavior are going to go away. There will actually be people that will think he's changed if the wins come and that's how they will rationalize their change of opinion on him. Or I can here the classic line now ..."I don't like him as a person but he's a hell of a QB"....LOL.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I have a suggestion for you and others who are taking this stance. Start backtracking now. It will save you some embarrassment down the road if JM turns out to be the guy to lead us out of the abyss.
1) Why on earth would I embarrassed? I'd love to be wrong
2) I'm not going to hedge my opinions for the unlikely possibility that Manziel succeeds in the NFL.
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Or I can here the classic line now ..."I don't like him as a person but he's a hell of a QB"....LOL.
That's how I felt about him in college. Hopefully he makes me feel the same about his pro game. Otherwise I'll not like anything about him. So now I sit and wait with only the part of him I don't like on display.
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You have the benefit of not liking Manziel prior to the draft. I will give you that. Saying he lacks intelligence because he likes to party to bolster your argument is quite flimsy and unnecessary from a guy that already didn't like him as a football player. I would just stick with that.
The real entertaining part will be all the people judging him from afar yet being compelled to love him because he's winning games for their team. Are they going to demand he gets traded if he wins 10 games and is filmed drunk with his buddies during the season? I mean, come on. Are they going to say they can't root for a guy that behaves that way? It's just silliness. Talk about judgmental. And all that passing judgment I just find funny. And I will find the shift in opinion even more funny if he starts winning games.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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