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I was reading a story about how Browns Rookies are helping out at FES coaching a youth football clinic and a thought occurred to me,, can Shaw really beat out Thigpen?
And if he does, we'll have 3 QB on the roster and about 5 starts between them..
Everything I've read about Shaw says that he could be better than Thigpen ever was, maybe better than Manziel or Hoyer.. but it appears that he will need time.
So what are the chances he sticks and Thigpen is gone?
What are the chances he gets put on the PS? I think if what happens is what I think happens and he goes on PS, he'll get sucked up quickly. Just a guess of course.
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If you pick someone off their practice squad they have to be added to your 53 man roster. That might not be something a team would be willing to do with a "worthless" QB. Every 53 man roster spot is precious.
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Everything I've read about Shaw says that he could be better than Thigpen ever was
That really is not saying a whole lot. Seriously.
As for better than Hoyer or Manziel.... if he has that much going on for him, there is no way he goes on the Practice Squad. In fact, I'd see us carrying all three on the roster and unloading one for a 1st rounder in the offseason.
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He is very similar to Manziel and IMHO will beat out thigpen. I would love to see him slow developed, he has some skill. No one has really talked about him, but this kid should have been a 3rd rounder imho.
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Like Thigpen quite little. I keep Shaw on the 53 as a third. We work with him as we try to address this season the most glaring weakness we have had for years. We have enough depth elsewhere to carry him. We have often needed three (at least). With Hoyer, Manziel, and Shaw we have a mix of abilities. Nobody has proven greatness as The Answer yet. I think over hedging the QB this season would be brilliant and prudent. PS or trade is an option. I feel better without Thiggy meself. 
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If we PS Shaw, someone MIGHT pick him up...if we cut Thigpen, he'll likely be there later if we need him down the road.
Dude was out of the NFL all year last year.
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Shaw will be out thigpen.. and if he doesnt.. it wont be b/c of skill.. it will be due to nfl experience.
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Shaw will absolutely beat out Thigpen.
The kid is a baller and a gamer. We'll all understand so much better when SC struggles on offense without him. The kid is a gym rat and will continuously improve. I want him on the roster as long as he is willing to be here. He will in time become a starter...He will learn better than Rodgers did...will he be successful like that? Absolutely (most likely) not...but he will work incredibly hard to succeed and be the best he possibly can.
Shaw will stick. He's going to outwork everyone (cept maybe Hoyer).
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Shaw will absolutely beat out Thigpen.
The kid is a baller and a gamer. Shaw will stick.
The thing that stands out for me is 1 (one!) interception. Now that may not translate into the NFL, but it shows he knows how the game is played, rather than being just a "Flinger" like DA. Been a long time since we have had a guy like that. It will be interesting to see him in a preseason game.
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One pick is astounding. Good insight, because you have to have your head in the game to manage that low a number. He will outwork people as well? Bonus. Big time. I would like to see him stick as our third. Sounds like picking him up is a good move. training him up under Shanny can't hurt either IMO.
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I thought this was about a wide receiver. Isn't there a Vernon Conner, and a somebody Shaw at wide receiver. That's my dyslexci mind again.
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Shaw will absolutely beat out Thigpen.
The kid is a baller and a gamer. We'll all understand so much better when SC struggles on offense without him. The kid is a gym rat and will continuously improve. I want him on the roster as long as he is willing to be here. He will in time become a starter...He will learn better than Rodgers did...will he be successful like that? Absolutely (most likely) not...but he will work incredibly hard to succeed and be the best he possibly can.
Shaw will stick. He's going to outwork everyone (cept maybe Hoyer).
I agree. I keep him for upside. Look at it this way, if Hoyer wins out, he doesn't need a mentor on the bench. When Manziel takes over, Hoyer becomes the mentor. In the mean time we have Shaw, who I think is tradeable because I think he will turn in to a solid pro QB.
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I agree Shaw should become a solid Pro... 
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I agree Shaw should become a solid Pro...
And.......you never know....maybe Shaw becomes our guy. Stranger things have happened. I like Conner Shaw....the kid has talent, has played well, and I like Coach Spurrier and his eye for talent
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I agree Shaw should become a solid Pro...
And.......you never know....maybe Shaw becomes our guy. Stranger things have happened. I like Conner Shaw....the kid has talent, has played well, and I like Coach Spurrier and his eye for talent
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I like Hoyer, will back Manziel, but I want to reiterate: I truly do not care who wins ball games for us, just let that winning begin. We have filled seasons with fixing blame for losses on top of losses. We are ready for a Bernie type of mentality IMO, and the "smarter" QB must be part of being a good QB and package for The Man. Just win baby! It might well be, that this could be a season with "victory by committee" if it is to happen. 
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I like Hoyer, will back Manziel, but I want to reiterate: I truly do not care who wins ball games for us, just let that winning begin. We have filled seasons with fixing blame for losses on top of losses. We are ready for a Bernie type of mentality IMO, and the "smarter" QB must be part of being a good QB and package for The Man. Just win baby!
It might well be, that this could be a season with "victory by committee" if it is to happen.
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It might well be, that this could be a season with "victory by committee" if it is to happen.
Victories in the NFL always come by committee...we've just not had or applied the committee very often.
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Shaw has some good tools, from the games I've seen him in.
Pros:
He's pretty mobile, he moves well.
Has a good internal clock
They ran a similar offense to what Shannhan runs, some read option etc.
Cons:
He's 6 foot
Very long, slow release
Arm is good but not great
He is a nice little project and I: think he has the tools to beat out Thigpen, but does the FO want two rookie QB's on the roster? I dunno.
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I am with you. But what "beats out" Thigpen? Shaw is better or Thiggy is worse how? What part of the "project" are you attaching worth to in this case? Not disagreeing with you, but he is a keeper as a 3rd for what reasons. Haven't seen enough of either probably Well, I may have actually seen more than enough of Thigpen come to think of it.
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I know almost nothing about Thigpen to be honest.
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He is worse than Brady Quinn. That's all I need to know 
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He is worse than Brady Quinn.
That's all I need to know
I read an article today suggesting that, since Hoyer is coming off injury and etc, that both JF and Thigpen may pass him up in the depth charts. Not sure how much I buy into it, if at all, but some wonderful sports writer took it upon themselves to make the comment...
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Brian Hoyer has four NFL starts in five seasons and is seven months removed from ACL surgery. Does that sound like a quarterback who will hold off Johnny Manziel and all that comes with "Johnny Football" -- exciting preseason plays, a clamoring fan base, the promise of a new tomorrow and hope dancing in the pocket? Don't be surprised if Tyler Thigpen -- with more than 10 NFL starts in the pistol offense under his belt -- is higher on the depth chart than Hoyer by the time September rolls around.
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That's just stupid.
This. And, I'm one of the guys that actually likes Thigpen. I just happen to like the other QBs on the roster more. If we didn't have one of the other 3 QBs on the roster, I would be all for keeping Thigpen. He could do a nice job if the need arose (he's a better QB than Weeden and Quinn - despite the post above to the contrary) to do spot duty or even finish out most of a season. The truth is that all of the others are younger and have a tremendous amount more upside than Thigpen is likely to give.
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I don't think it's crazy enough to call the idea stupid.
We were saying the exact same thing about starting Hoyer over Campbell just last season.
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Any kid who can complete 65.5 percent of his passes in collage, and 24 TD's with only 1 INT during his senior year deserves a good long hard look in the NFL Thigpen's stats are nowhere close in collage, and with his stats in the NFL and being 30 years old he does not deserve to hang around as our 3rd QB this season.
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I don't think it's crazy enough to call the idea stupid.
We were saying the exact same thing about starting Hoyer over Campbell just last season.
I was actually in support of playing Hoyer over Campbell last year after seeing Campbell mail it in at the end of the Ravens game.
I'm not sure how the two scenarios are really that comparable at all.
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I don't think it's crazy enough to call the idea stupid.
We were saying the exact same thing about starting Hoyer over Campbell just last season.
But that was last season and Hoyer should have been starting over Campbell. In truth, Hoyer should have been starting from Game 1, but because a first round selection was used on Weeden, he got the nod. It was a decision that ended up contributing a lot to Chudzinski losing his job. The decision to go with Campbell despite loss-after-loss-after-loss-after loss was another.
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Not so sure about saying he should have been starting game 1. He wasn't even signed until mid May. Not sure a guy can learn the playbook and be ready to start by game 1.
Not saying he would have done worse, but rookies or any QB starting with only a few months in a new play book that wasn't a former starter has a lot of questions surrounding such a decision.
I believe even if they wanted to start Hoyer, they wanted to give him all the time they could before doing so. And I'm not sure that was a bad idea.
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Not so sure about saying he should have been starting game 1. He wasn't even signed until mid May. Not sure a guy can learn the playbook and be ready to start by game 1.
It was a new regime. None of them knew the playbook. Hoyer was the smartest QB on the roster last year and had the best ability to pick it up. I think that the fact that he is still on the roster and the other two (or three, if you include Tanney) are gone.
Not saying he would have done worse, but rookies or any QB starting with only a few months in a new play book that wasn't a former starter has a lot of questions surrounding such a decision.
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Well, they kept Weeden because the previous regime had expended a first round selection on him. It's why he was given the starting job. It certainly wasn't because of performance. Campbell proved why he was relegated to the #3 QB on the roster when he was passed up by Hoyer as the starter after Weeden hurt his thumb.
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Weeden did have game experience. Bad experiences, but experience nonetheless.
And the coaches should have known better than make him the starter.
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Yeah what did Chud say... "we had to see what we had" or something like that? Couldn't tell that from all of the previous year's game tape, practice tape and etc... and then seeing it first hand at practice? Plus the only reason he got benched was because he hurt his thumb or something. Never had the injury, we may have never seen the Hoyer/Wallace show who, IMO, played better than Weeden did. Some marginally better, some not so much, but still better JMO
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Yeah what did Chud say... "we had to see what we had" or something like that?
Couldn't tell that from all of the previous year's game tape, practice tape and etc... and then seeing it first hand at practice? Plus the only reason he got benched was because he hurt his thumb or something. Never had the injury, we may have never seen the Hoyer/Wallace show who, IMO, played better than Weeden did. Some marginally better, some not so much, but still better
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Wallace?  I know you meant Campbell.
But neither Weeden or Campbell played well enough to remain on the roster - and despite Hoyer's lack of game time experience, he should have been the starter from Game 1 last season. We all saw what Weeden had to offer the previous season. It was Chudzinski's call and he screwed the pooch with it. Personally, I'm not sad to see Chudzinski gone one bit. He reminded me way too much of Shurmur.
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