I know there's a thread about just Lebron, but this is thread can be used to talk about everyone else. I still can't believe we went from talking about drafting Mcbuckets to drafting Air Canada.
Hopefully we get THIS version of him. I love this kids motor.
Since we won't be getting LeBron, it severely dampens my outlook on the future of this team. What's our best hope? To be like the 3/4/5 seed in the East?
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Maybe if Irving and Waiters get their heads out of their behinds the team can be pretty good. Even still the Heat (if the Big Three re-signs), Hornets, Pacers, Raptors (if Lowry is re-signed), Bulls, and Wizards are all currently better than the Cavs. The Hawks also have balls of cap room to improve their team if they choose to.
I agree. Drafting Thompson and Bennett, both of whom cannot be relied on offensively, has hampered our progression IMO.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
the dynamics are totally different from a year ago. Got rid of a bad coach, for a guy that is known to be an innovator, plus added Wiggins, and have the cap space to get better.
Even with the new coach, Irving and Waiters have proven to be knuckleheads who don't play defense, Thompson is a role player at best, and Wiggins is in his rookie season.
The Cavs should be happy with a 7 or 8 seed next season.
Supposedly Bennett has been working really hard this off-season. If we get anything even remotely approaching what he was supposed to be this year, he could be an important piece.
Sure, everyone says that, but this is what Mary Schmitt Boyer has to say about Bennett.
I'm told Bennett has been spending a lot of time at the Cavs facility and working hard. He and the Cavs will be heading to the summer league in Las Vegas shortly, so we'll get our first look at what kind of shape he's in this summer as opposed to last.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
The Indiana Pacers may wind up getting nothing at all for former franchise star Danny Granger. The Pacers traded Granger to the 76ers at the deadline for former No. 2 overall pick Evan Turner. Granger was subsequently waived by the Sixers and signed by the Clippers. Granger will be a free agent starting Tuesday.
As will Evan Turner. USA Today reports that the Pacers declined to offer Turner the qualifying offer, meaning Turner will be an unrestricted free agent.
The Indiana Pacers, who acquired Turner from the Philadelphia 76ers in a trade during last season, will not extend a qualifying offer of $8.7 million on the final year of his rookie deal, two people familiar with Indiana's decision told USA TODAY Sports.
The people requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly until the Pacers made the news official.
Turner has the ability to score, and he is also a strong rebounding guard and capable passer. In the right situation, he can be an asset, and there will be interest in him. Expect teams to start making offers when the top-tier free agents make their choices.
This gives Turner a chance at a fresh start after an uneven time in Philadelphia and a forgetful three-month stint with the Pacers.
via Pacers let Evan Turner become unrestricted free agent.
Turner averaged 7.1 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 2.4 assists last season with the Pacers in 27 games. He has struggled in every phase of the game, never finding a consistent shot or developing as a defender. His limited athleticism complicates this further. The Pacers were outscored by seven points per 100 possessions last year with Turner on the court.
Turner honestly presents an interesting test case for the new CBA and how the market works now. Turner is still young enough to convince a team to take a chance on him, and has a skillset that features some promise. But his lack of upside and production should prevent any major deal for him. How the market responds to Turner will show how teams have learned from past mistakes. The answer to that usually is "not at all." We'll see who "the Villain" catches on with.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
he did really do almost nothing well with the Pacers. It was scary how he fell off like that.
Man, with the Sixers, he averaged 21.1 PPG and 7.3 RPG in November ...... 16.5 PPG and 6.1 RPG in December, 16.2 PPG and 5.2 RPG in January, 12.3 PPG and 5.4 RPG in February ......
Then he was traded, and averaged roughly 7 PPG and 3 RPG the rest of the way out with the Pacers.
he could fit on a fast team, that runs a lot ..... but his drop off in production makes signing him to any deal of consequence truly frightening.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Kyrie Irving is in for the long haul with the Cavaliers. I think that the Cavaliers had to do this to show stability for the franchise, but I admit to being a little surprised that Irving went for the whole 5 year extension. Hopefully that. combined with Wiggins, helps bring in some quality help this year and especially next. (If Wiggins takes off)
Next year Kyrie's maximum possible salary, if I read things right, in his 5th season, would be just under $14 million. They have the contract they just took on that has a $10 million non guarantee, and that can essentially almost off-set Irving's deal next year under the cap.
The more I think about it, the more shocked I am that Irving went for the full 5 years. I wonder if there is something working behind the scenes. (or maybe I hope so) lol
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Guard Kyrie Irving has agreed to a contract extension with the Cavaliers after a meeting with team officials early Tuesday morning.
Owner Dan Gilbert tweeted that the agreement had been reached and that the contract will be signed on July 10:
Looking forward to the next 6 years of @KyrieIrving in CLE. Just shook hands &intend to sign on the 10th.Cant be more excited about @cavs...
— Dan Gilbert (@cavsdan) July 1, 2014
Irving also tweeted about the new deal:
I'm here for the long haul Cleveland!!! and I'm ecstatic!! Super excited and blessed to be here and apart of something special.#ClevelandKID
— Kyrie Irving (@KyrieIrving) July 1, 2014 Exact details of the agreement were not released, but reports say it was a maximum contract for five years worth $90 million.
The first overall pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, Irving, 22, averaged 20.8 points and a career-high 6.1 assists in 71 games this past season. He made the All-Star Game for the second-straight season and was named All-Star MVP. The Cavs have a record of 78-152 since Irving was drafted.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
no opt-outs or anything. just signed for the long haul. it'll be interesting to see what kind of team we can build around him and hopefully have a stable coach/GM during that time.
Quote: I find the 10 day period you can negotiate but not sign a contract pointless..
What is the alternative? Look at the NFL until recently, where there was no delay in ability to (legally) negotiate and sign contracts. There would be monster deals reached literally minutes into free agency, which were obviously negotiated ahead of time. It was a system that punished honest teams. Stupid.
Quote: I find the 10 day period you can negotiate but not sign a contract pointless..
What is the alternative? Look at the NFL until recently, where there was no delay in ability to (legally) negotiate and sign contracts. There would be monster deals reached literally minutes into free agency, which were obviously negotiated ahead of time. It was a system that punished honest teams. Stupid.
I think having 3-5 days is plenty of time. 10 days seems arbitrarily long.
Quote: no opt-outs or anything. just signed for the long haul. it'll be interesting to see what kind of team we can build around him and hopefully have a stable coach/GM during that time.
I truly figured that the best case scenario would be a 5 year deal with 2 years worth of opt outs. Even this morning, I had to check and make sure that he really re-signed for the full 5 years. (well ....... he'll be here for 6, counting next year)
I really hope that this means that there is some big deal working behind the scenes. I am still stunned that Irving decided to take the full boat. I think that, if I were a player on the Cavaliers, even I would have a hard time not demanding a couple of player option years. Maybe Irving truly and honestly feels that he is a cornerstone piece, and that he will be able to attract other big names. If so, hopefully he's right.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: That something behind the scenes might be a Waiters trade. If I was Kyrie that's what I would ask for. Dude is a tool.
Jason Kidd is reportedly a big fan of both Dion and Jack. He wanted to get them to the Nets in his closing days (one of the moves that he was frustrated King couldn't pull off --- reportedly).
Dion + Jack ($11.5mil next year total) for Henson + Mayo ($10.9mil next year total)
We get a young PF/C prospect we could use and still have a backup SG scorer in Mayo, who can shoot 3pters (important in Blatt's system).
Honestly, I think this trade is fair to both sides and I would actually try to soak the newbie Kidd if he does happen to become the GM as well. But, it is the type of trade we should be looking at.
Lebron would never send his kids to a high school in Miami in an unfamiliar area, but rather send them to his alma mater. He will want to see them play, stay tuned.
Quote: no opt-outs or anything. just signed for the long haul. it'll be interesting to see what kind of team we can build around him and hopefully have a stable coach/GM during that time.
I truly figured that the best case scenario would be a 5 year deal with 2 years worth of opt outs. Even this morning, I had to check and make sure that he really re-signed for the full 5 years. (well ....... he'll be here for 6, counting next year)
I really hope that this means that there is some big deal working behind the scenes. I am still stunned that Irving decided to take the full boat. I think that, if I were a player on the Cavaliers, even I would have a hard time not demanding a couple of player option years. Maybe Irving truly and honestly feels that he is a cornerstone piece, and that he will be able to attract other big names. If so, hopefully he's right.
I hate to be the wet blanket, but he can always Carmelo his way out of Cleveland. Or Dwight his way, however you want it.
I don't think those are his intentions, I think he wants to do good things, but he knows that's in his back pocket.
I am not counting on it ..... but neither am I discounting it.
I think that the Cavaliers have a real case to be made. Whether it will be enough is open to debate ..... but they have assets, talent, cap room, and money .... and an owner willing to spend anything necessary to win a championship. It's not a perfect situation .... but it is close to home for Lebron .....and a guy like Love has already said that he would come to Cleveland and sign long term if Lebron did. Is it likely to happen? Nope. However, I do think that the odds are better than the cavaliers winning the lottery this year.(by at least 10 points)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
the cavs are a better situation for James. There are other teams that are better situations. Why take a 1 or 2 yr deal? that just tells me that James is admitting that the team is flawed long-term. Might hurt to leave your boys, but it would be better for his career if he left Miami.
Marc Stein ✔ @ESPNSteinLine Follow Jazz vowing to match any offer to RFA Gordon Hayward but fresh rumbles tonight that Cavs weighing wisdom of big offer sheet to Hayward 5:19 PM - 1 Jul 2014
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: I am not counting on it ..... but neither am I discounting it.
Seriously, LeBron is staying in the East, theres NO WAY he'd wanna go through the West every year...
IMO he has two legitimate options in the East, Miami, and Cleveland, unless someone thinks Rondo, James, and Love by themselves in Boston is a great idea...
You take LeBron off the Heat, they're nothing, unless they convince Melo to come in and replace him some how..
You put LeBron on the Cavs, and he doesn't have to defend the best player all the time (Wiggins) and he doesn't always have to be the facilitator (Kyrie) and he's fresher going through the season...
Then with those three, you make a move for Love, they can have as many picks as they want, and guys like TT, Bennett, maybe even Waiters..
I think Kyrie locking up LONG term is a small piece of a HUGE puzzle for that all to happen, if not, we STILL have an All Star PG, a potential AS SG/SF in Wiggins, and Cap room moving forward...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Quote: Lebron would never send his kids to a high school in Miami in an unfamiliar area, but rather send them to his alma mater. He will want to see them play, stay tuned.
Quote: Livingston went to the Warriors. The Nets could be interested in Jack now.
I hope so, but the rumor at the time was Kidd was huge in on Jack and that was part of what made him angry at King. It would be a nice message to Kidd though if that is true and they traded for Jack now.
I hope so) lol 
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