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She's focusing on the wrong gun.
The gun that killed the kid isn't the problem. The problem is the gun the kid and his friend were using. Without it and an attempt to rob someone, that kid would still be alive.
I totally agree!
Kinda just clicking on you, but several have made a similar point.
Bottom line is, the kid broke the law - actually, he broke several laws. First, he had a handgun, which in ohio, you must be 21 to have. Secondly, he did not have a concealed carry permit, thirdly he attempted to use it in a robbery.
And yet some people are saying the guy on his own porch is to blame?????????????? What the hell is going on? Is this what the country has come to?
Okay, the family and friends can, and should, grieve - no doubt. But there is no chance in hell they should blame the guy on his porch!!!!! If more people realized that, when breaking the law, this could happen to them, there would be less criminals, wouldn't there?
When faced with a possibility of dying while commiting a crime, or getting your ass to a job and making legal money. most would choose the job.
When faced with "easy money from armed robbery with the only consequence being running from the cops after they are called, many will choose to rob.".
And let's face it, while cops are inherently good, they don't stop crime, they take reports after a crime.
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Nothing to do with the ghetto. This same sediment would be made regardless. ...
Most sediment is at the bottom of a stream or a river.
My sentiment was from personal observation, having lived in the ghetto most of my life, but frequenting other areas, I see how people can think that the shooter was done wrong, because...
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I hate how issues like this - because of their political tinged nature - wind up with people saying things to the effect of 'awesome that this guy killed this punk'.
It's an entirely sad affair. I don't blame the shooter, nor do I really lament the loss of an armed robber, but that's one more human being that ended up as a waste of life...I don't care if it's his fault or society's...it's sad. There's nothing to be giddy about.
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Ahh politics, how i love thee. Its great when everything is so black and white, Liberal or conservative, republican or democrat. Makes our choices easier.  It makes me sad to see people bicker so much and call each other names because their party doesn't see eye to eye. Honestly, thats one of the problem with this government right now. Representatives have a group think type of attitude because it gets them re-elected and keeps their pockets full. Theres more time spent in bi-partisan escapades and getting the upperhand than in doing anything of lasting benefit. Our representatives have a job. Its to make this country a better place to live for everyone. Can anyone in either party honestly look me in the eye and tell me they are giving their all when participating in the fighting?
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he made very bad choices. and im sure this is just one of many. it in my mind and many others that its better he's dead. because if it were me on the porch? same thing, either me or him or both are dying
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It makes me sad to see people bicker so much and call each other names because their party doesn't see eye to eye. Honestly, thats one of the problem with this government right now. Representatives have a group think type of attitude because it gets them re-elected and keeps their pockets full. Theres more time spent in bi-partisan escapades and getting the upperhand than in doing anything of lasting benefit.
It takes a liberal to say something like that.
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I don't care if it's his fault or society's...it's sad. There's nothing to be giddy about.
This in no way is societies fault. The blame goes completely on him.
You are right it is nothing to be giddy about. It is very sad someone lost his life regardless if he was in the wrong. The guy that shot him did what he needed to do and will have to live with it the rest of his life. That is also very sad.
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Of course that's just my own humble opinion coming straight from my... let's see, what is it you've called me about 8000 times.... oh yea, my little neo-con heart.
Your opinion is WRONG!
I only have a little over 5000 posts. Do the math!
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I only have a little over 5000 posts. Do the math!
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I hate how issues like this - because of their political tinged nature - wind up with people saying things to the effect of 'awesome that this guy killed this punk'.
Being of the opinion that the shooting was justified doesn't mean that we're happy the kid died. Most people here feel that this was a sad situation but Mr. Wells did what he had to do.
No gun control law would have prevented this kid from threatening Mr. Wells' life. A gun control law may have resulted in his death.
Those of us who carry concealed hope we never, ever have to use our weapon. We also choose not to be victims should the situation ever present itself as it did in this case.
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Of course that's just my own humble opinion coming straight from my... let's see, what is it you've called me about 8000 times.... oh yea, my little neo-con heart.
Your opinion is WRONG!
I only have a little over 5000 posts. Do the math!
You assume you've never called me a neo-con more than once in a single post...
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This story just further solidifies my belief that law-abiding citizens should have the right to own and carry weapons to protect themselves. While it's unfortunate that somebody got killed, I'd much rather see the bad guy go down than the good guy. 
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Most sediment is at the bottom of a stream or a river.
My sentiment was from personal observation, having lived in the ghetto most of my life, but frequenting other areas, I see how people can think that the shooter was done wrong, because...
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...and by shooter I meant the robber, or the thug that went down.
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I think "anti-gun lobby" would be far more accurate than "liberal". Because the two terms aren't necassarily one in the same.
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I think "anti-gun lobby" would be far more accurate than "liberal". Because the two terms aren't necassarily one in the same.
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Really? Please explain that statement.
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Really? Please explain that statement.
Because there are different types of records, tapes, cd's ???
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The liberals I have met are anti-gun. So based on my own life experiences, the stereotype that liberals are anti-gun is accurate(exsists for a reason). I realize not every liberal is anti-gun, but I haven't met anyone that claiming to be liberal that isn't.
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I consider myself a little more liberal than conservative and I'm not anti-gun.
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I am fairly liberal and am far from anti gun. I know many people who are hunters/shooters like me who are also democrats.The average working man is for the most part democrat and good many of them are outdoorsman who definetly not anti gun.
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I stated way back at the beginning of this thread I was "liberal" and very pro-gun.
A little perspective as well. I looked around last night on the web looking for non-ohio news sources on this shooting. I didn't find much. I guess what I mean by that is there is no massive "anti-gun liberal media storm" about this. So while it is news in Cleveland it isn't in Anchorage. We just had some stupid gang shootout last night. (thankfully no one died).
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I feel sorry for the guy who defended himself - he has to live with shooting a 15 year old. As for the 15 year old, he got what he deserved. Wells best get his gun back because if this kids friends are as dumb as he is they'll be back to try and kill Wells. Overall, Wells deserves a medal, 1 less scumbag on the earth.
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For decades, the democrats strongly endorsed every gun control legislation that came down the pike. Many of the newly elected dems....including those in Ohio.... are pro second amendment and concealed carry. They garnered a lot of votes by taking this stance.
The trouble these freshman are facing is that the liberal power machine in Washington remains strongly in favor of gun control. These are the people responsible for campaign funding, perks, divvying out the pork to the districts and whatnot. There will be a strong incentive to cave in when gun control debate takes place.
I challenge anyone who claims this isn't a political issue to name one senior democrat who hasn't authored, sponsored and/or voted for gun control legislation. I totally agree that while there are many democrats that are pro second amendment, the leadership remains firmly in favor of strict gun control. And they are the ones calling the shots (no pun intended).
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From WTAM.com (There's also a slide show of 20 or so pics.) http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=122520&article=2019351Man Cleared In Shooting Leaves His Home Prosecutor rules the shooting justified. Photo gallery of Well's now boarded up home (Cleveland) - 25-year-old Damon Wells is gone. His home in the Mount Pleasant neighborhood is boarded up. Prosecutors decided this week that Wells was justified in shooting a teen and would not be charged in the shooting of 15-year-old Arthur Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School. Cleveland police say Wells had a permit to carry a concealed gun when he shot and killed Buford Saturday night. Police say Buford and another teen approached Wells on his porch and one of the youths pulled a gun. That prompted Wells resident to pull his gun and shoot Buford several times in the chest. Buford's suspected accomplice fled after the shooting and has not been caught. Police believe a .38-caliber handgun they found in the mail chute of a nearby house belonged to Buford or the other suspect. At a vigil Tuesday night, organizers called for young men to turn away from violence and from turning on each other. Many also disputed what police claimed, saying Buford never did anything wrong.
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These people are so freaking ridiculous. The kid tried to rob a guy, and he gets killed----and they are calling him a VICTIM. They force this guy who was DEFENDING his person and property from his home. Some COMMUNITY. Great place to live. A place where if you refuse to be victimized by criminals you are met with hostility from the surrounding community.  Absolutely ridiculous. Idiocy. I guess its a lesson that this kids punk friends had to learn. But they ddidn't learn anything. Instead they BLAME this guy for defending himself. They probably see this dead teen as a martyr. Died "keepin it real." God, seeing these people makes me so angry.
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I am fairly liberal and am far from anti gun. I know many people who are hunters/shooters like me who are also democrats.The average working man is for the most part democrat and good many of them are outdoorsman who definetly not anti gun.
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A very false statement. It depends on your perception of average. most average middle/lower class people live in rural areas and small towns, not big cities. If you take a look at a map of the last election, county by county accross the country. The average people are by and far republican. I am so tired of that stereotype, my parents raised 3 kids in the 90's on 25-30K a year combined and and are republican, along with most of the other families where i grew up.
That stereotype is so correct . . . i'm so sick and tired of hollywood elites, media outlets and other power brokers coming out and supporting every little thing conservitives do!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm
Funny part about that . . . it's rural america that produces food, resources and other essentials all thos blue areas can't live without. My question is what do those compact liberal strongholds give the rest of the country that they can't live without?
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By looking at the blue on the map, I'd say:
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Thanks Pit!! Those words are OK to put on my mouth as I totally agree. We (me too) get to used to catchphrases. I am registered as a Dem, but really am a constitutionalist. On some issues I'm left on some right. It depends on each issue, and how I think about it.
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Oh well, sucks for him! In my book, the punk got what he deserved
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She's focusing on the wrong gun.
The gun that killed the kid isn't the problem. The problem is the gun the kid and his friend were using. Without it and an attempt to rob someone, that kid would still be alive.
I totally agree!
Exactly, I'm sorry, but if I had a fully legal gun, I'd use it if I was being held up by some other wacko with a gun. I'm sorry but I don't know of a single person who would say, "Hey, I'm being robbed at gunpoint. I have a gun and could use it to get out of danger however this is a kid so I better just take it."
In Florida, we have a great law. If someone is in your house to rob you, you have the right to shoot them no matter what. Guess what? Not many break ins down here, lol.
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It makes me sad to see people bicker so much and call each other names because their party doesn't see eye to eye. Honestly, thats one of the problem with this government right now. Representatives have a group think type of attitude because it gets them re-elected and keeps their pockets full. Theres more time spent in bi-partisan escapades and getting the upperhand than in doing anything of lasting benefit.
It takes a liberal to say something like that.
Believe me, i dont consider myself either. It would make for an easier decision process however.
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"The average working man is for the most part democrat and good many of them are outdoorsman who definetly not anti gun. "
I believe that the average working person is no more democrat than republican. If you qualify your remark that the average union person is more democrat than republican...I will agree with you.
I will agree that the average working woman is more democrat than republican.
The average working man is more likely to be republican these days than democrat since the gender gap has reared it's head again.
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The 'working man' can't be classified into 'Democrat' or 'Republican', and it's stupid to try to do so.
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Phil, I would generally agree with you unless fellow DTers seem to want to ignore statistics. I imagine King accepts your comment about his take being "stupid" in the same vein as was intended.
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In Florida, we have a great law. If someone is in your house to rob you, you have the right to shoot them no matter what. Guess what? Not many break ins down here, lol.
That part of the law is called "Castle Doctrine", and I wish it would be recognized in every state. Any law abiding citizen should feel safe in their own home and have a right defend it if needed.
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