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I don't think that they can hold the DUI arrest against him as far as the substance abuse side of things is concerned, because I don't think that the substance abuse policy contains alcohol

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Blackmon's suspensions were for DWI. Gordon is toast.

Killing someone (Stallworth) Fixing and betting some games (A few guys pre-70's), Threatening a stripper (Henry), and Vilma* for BountyGate

*It was overturned to 8 games or something like that

I think it is pretty unfair to put Donte Stallworth in that category as you did. The man made a terrible mistake and has done everything he can to atone for said mistake.

Yes, a man died. It is extremely sad. Whether or not his being over the legal limit had anything to do with the death is not the point (as he even mentions) as he shouldn't have been driving under those circumstances.

But, to just throw him out there as "killing someone" is also not right.

Here's the latest on him:
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/10/donte-stallworth-rookie-symposium-dui/

ok Donte is a nice murderer and so is Rey, Pacman and OJ and I am sure when Hernadez's lawyer gets him off he will be a model citizen.

I really respected the way Stallworth handled that unfortunate situation. He never blamed the guy he hit, even though he hay have been crossing illegally when/where he was hit ..... but Stallworth just took responsibility, made a financial agreement with the family, and did his sentence. What he did was wrong, but the way he handled the aftermath was remarkable.

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Yeah, you're right. There are a lot of people who commit vehicular manslaughter where it's not right to label them as a killer. Again, my mistake, I was a little too careless on that one.

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Yes, you were.

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I think it is pretty unfair to put Donte Stallworth in that category as you did.

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I agree. I mean the guy was not even suppose to be on the highway, and he gets run down, what do you expect? It wouldn't have mattered if DS was drunk or sober the guy was not supposed to be there. Not his fault.

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If he was sober he may have been able to stop before he killed him.

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IMO there's the rub. That's kinda like saying the guy died of lung cancer, but never smoked. versus The guy died of lung cancer but he smoked. They are always gonna blame the smoker, in this case, the drinker, nobody knows how it would have turned out if he was sober.

Point taken

Mike Pettine says Browns won't cut Josh Gordon and 'we expect him to report Friday'

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns coach Mike Pettine told cleveland.com Monday that the Browns have no plans to cut troubled receiver Josh Gordon and that they expect him to report for training camp with the rest of the veterans on Friday.

He also said he expects to hear something about Gordon's drug suspension within the next 10 days to two weeks. Gordon is facing an indefinite ban for violating the substance abuse policy for at least the third time. If he loses his upcoming appeal, he'll have to wait a full year before applying for re-instatement with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

"We're expecting him to report on Friday and be on the field,'' Pettine said. "We have no plans to cut him I know there's been a lot of debate over that, but I don't see us having that debate.''

The debate began July 4th weekend when Gordon was arrested for driving while impaired in Raleigh, North Carolina. His blood-alcohol level was .09, over the state's legal limit of .08.

Afterwards, Hall of Fame receiver Cris Carter called for the Browns to cut Gordon to try to motivate him to get clean, and fellow Hall of Fame receiver Michael Irvin sharply rebuked Carter for his remarks, saying the receiver's "ass is out of line.''

Responded Pettine: "I think we need to find the middle ground of what's best for Josh and what's best for the organization. I know Cris Carter came out and said that, but we think you can find that middle ground of what's best for our players and best for the organization. It worked for Cris, but cutting Josh might be the worst thing for him and the worst thing for us.''

Pettine confirmed that the club has reached out to substance abuse professionals to try to help Gordon.

"If any of our players are in need of help, we'll do our best to provide it for them and also that we're going to do what we feel is best for the organization,'' he said. "By league guidelines, whatever help we can provide him, we're going to do it. A Cleveland Brown is a Cleveland Brown. If we feel we can help him, let's help him. Sometimes you're handcuffed by the situation, so until it plays out then there's really nothing tangible we can do at this point.''

Pettine said he hasn't talked to Gordon yet, but will do when he reports on Friday.

"He won't be the only one,'' Pettine said. "I have a list of guys I'll have a state of the union address with.''

Pettine said he doesn't know what the league will decide in terms of Gordon's indefinite or something less severe.

"It all depends on who you talk to,'' he said. "We've all gotten to the point where we have Plan A, Plan B and Plan C.''

Pettine acknowledged that the DWI was a concern with the club.

"Anytime there are multiple things going on and there's a pattern, it's a concern, but at the same time, you need to allow that to play out. You don't want to have a knee-jerk reaction. You've got to cool down a little bit and look at each thing individually. I think we've just settled into a very patient mode of waiting and our plans are laid out and we're just waiting to hear from the league.''

Pettine made no guarantees the Browns will acquire another receiver.

"I don't think you replace Josh, a guy of his caliber,'' Pettine said. "If you just look at what he did last year, he's arguably one of the top three receivers in the league. You can easily make that argument. You're not going to find somebody, so you just have to get creative in how you do it. We feel good about where Miles Austin is health wise, we're very pleased with how Andrew Hawkins came out of camp, and then Nate Burleson will be ready to go and then we have some guys we think will be ready to battle it out.

"Charles Johnson's coming back, he's coming off the ACL, but he's now full-go. We hope to have Travis Benjamin back and ready to go. We might hold him at the beginning but that's more just being cautious than anything. He's almost fully recovered and we'll know a little bit better when he gets his physical.

"So it will definitely be a committee approach and then you can do some things scheme-wise to make up for it. Maybe fewer groupings with multiple receivers. that's where adding a (tight end) Jim Dray and having a veteran like Gary Barnidge helps you. You can use the versatility now of Jordan (Cameron), moving him around a little bit. There's a lot of ways to work around it, knowing 'hey, we're not going to replace that guy but we're going to get creative in how we work around it.'''

Gordon's agent Drew Rosenhaus said Thursday that the appeal hearing is coming up very soon and that he plans to meet with the Browns before camp about how the two sides can work together to best help Gordon.
Cleveland.com

I said..........."you guys......." I did not say, "YTown...."

I will say that you have been making excuses for the guy for quite awhile.

The guy knew the rules. He broke the rules. He has done so several times. Those are facts. Dispute them or let it drop.

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Pettine said he hasn't talked to Gordon yet...

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Interesting.

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"I don't think you replace Josh, a guy of his caliber,'' Pettine said. "If you just look at what he did last year, he's arguably one of the top three receivers in the league. You can easily make that argument. You're not going to find somebody, so you just have to get creative in how you do it. We feel good about where Miles Austin is health wise, we're very pleased with how Andrew Hawkins came out of camp, and then Nate Burleson will be ready to go and then we have some guys we think will be ready to battle it out.

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Nope, you don't want to try to replace him. You want to BET YOUR JOB on him. That's a GREAT idea Coach. Glad you have it all figured out so we can win with no threats at WR this season. Because if you DON'T win without a #1WR this year, we'll be talking about the new head coach(and GM) this time next year.

Coach, you better PRAY we can run the ball this year. Like LEAD THE LEAGUE run the ball and score a TON of rushing touchdowns.

The days of putting your foot up someones butt are long gone, bro. Seriously, Josh is just misunderstood and there are evil forces out there that are picking on him. None of this is his fault. The NFL is just a group of mean, dumb, vindictive men that are intent on ruining Josh's career and hurting the Browns.

It's a conspiracy, I tell you!!!

I think you're misrepresenting people's views on the subject.

Actually, you were forefront in my mind when I came up w/some of those quotes.

The reason i havent mentioned the roled up dollr to much is simply because, I dont know if it is even Manziel in that photo. I hope it is not him.

As for Josh, its all about priorities. Can he put his career, family, and team above his own selfish interest? apparently not.

Neither. You--and others---have deflected the blame away from Gordon throughout this process.

He knew the rules. He broke them. Repeatedly. It's his fault. It's not the fault of the NFL or society.

Very well.

Imagine though, if I replied to one of your posts and said something like that without any clarification. What would you think?

There is a certain etiquette on the message board to let someone know when you are not replying to them specifically, especially if you respond to someone in the manner of calling them out.

Just saying, you can avoid a lot of unintentional problems with a little clarity in these matters. Re-read what you wrote, and ask yourself what you would think if someone wrote that in response to something you wrote. (and they directly replied to one of your posts) I somehow don't think that you would just blow it off as though you understood that they "actually" replied to everyone else.

I somehow don't see you blowing it off.

YTown............you are one of the biggest excuse makers for Gordon on the board. Thus, I really don't feel to bad if you took what I said the wrong way. You may not have been making excuses in that particular post, but you make them all the time.

Once again: Please tell me if Josh Gordon knew the rules? Did he break them over and over and over? Are the rules for him different from any other player?

Defend him all you want, but he knew what the rules were and he continually chose to break them. He is NOT the victim.

I guess that was about what I expected.

Anyway ...... maybe we should wait and see what the final word from the NFL is before we put the guy before the firing squad.

Geesh.

At one time you were a really good poster. Now you've degraded into someone whose name I really don't even want to see, and who I skip over more often than I read. You used to talk football, now you complain about "agendas", while you carry out an agenda of your own.

Oh well ... it's a free message board. I just find it hypocritical that you call out others for such behavior when you don't see it in yourself.

You sound like Daman. You expected it. Well, I expected your BS response. Wanna keep going w/your childish replies?

Now, tell me where I put him before the firing squad? Show me where I said that he should be shot. Show me where I said he should go to jail. Show me where I said we should cut him. I'll be waiting.................

I am saying this............

He knew the rules in college. He broke them at least three times.

He knew the rules in the NFL. He broke them at least twice last year and at least once this year.

He knew he was on the hot seat this year after breaking the rules. He chose to speed when there was marijuana in the car.

He knew that he had a lot of attention on him because of his past transgressions. Yet, he chose to go to NC and hang out w/a convicted felon who had been convicted of gun charges and fraud and was complicit in the NC BB player's dismissal from the team.

Are any of those things the fault of the NFL? Are any of them my fault? Are any of them societies fault?

Woah............wait a minute. We are onto something. Guys like you who are hero worshipers and continually making excuses for a star athletes behavior might actually contribute to his poor decisions and behavior.

Look at it this way..............I sure as hell didn't hear you guys defending Bess when he did similar things. It's pick and choose. It's the star system. It's let's look the other way. It's hypocritical. It's daggone wrong!

Nice edit. I must have struck a nerve in your phony self.

Don't read what I say. I could care less.

Just know this: when you talk BS...........I am going to point it out.

Nah, I'm just tired of your act. It was old months and months ago, and it hasn't improved with time.

You've gone from a fairly decent poster, and a knowledgeable football poster ..... to ..... this.

What a shame.

Oh well ... carry on.

Nice job. Instead of answering my claims that I presented as facts, you turn it into a personal insult. How very Damanesque of you.

One more time:

He knew the rules in college. He broke them at least three times.

He knew the rules in the NFL. He broke them at least twice last year and at least once this year.

He knew he was on the hot seat this year after breaking the rules. He chose to speed when there was marijuana in the car.

He knew that he had a lot of attention on him because of his past transgressions. Yet, he chose to go to NC and hang out w/a convicted felon who had been convicted of gun charges and fraud and was complicit in the NC BB player's dismissal from the team.

Are any of those things the fault of the NFL? Are any of them my fault? Are any of them societies fault?

Are those things true or fictional?

Let me guess.........I am an awful poster who isn't worth your time.

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Nice edit. I must have struck a nerve in your phony self.

Don't read what I say. I could care less.

Just know this: when you talk BS...........I am going to point it out.

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Nice "points".

Maybe you should read what you post. It might be eye opening for you.

Anyway ..... do as you please. I made my position on your style clear. I have tried to remain civil. I'm not going to come down to your level and call names and such.

Uhmmm.............you did do that. I am asking you to answer questions about Gordon. You are the one who brought up my character flaws.

Answer the questions or shut the hell up.

I know the NFL has come out and announced the suspensions of all the other players. Why has the NFL not announced the Josh Gordon suspension?