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what if his speedometer is off? 
Or the cramp usually in his brain worked down to his foot for a few seconds. Could be.
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Him "keeping his job" isn't exactly that... He doesn't get paid for the time he is suspended. Doesn't do us much good to cut him.
maybe it would send johnny manziel a message. he is next for this crap.
Truly remarkable that you could somehow find fault with Johnny Manziel in Josh Gordons idiocy. Remind me again, has Manziel ever failed a drug test? Did he have any REAL trouble at Texas A&M? Has he veer been arrested?
Ridiculous.
Re: Josh Gordon. No reason to cut him, it would be stupid to cut him given all the facts. He wasn't exactly plastered, he was just slightly over the limit. I'm not trying to minimize his idiocy, but I've probably been in my car slightly over the limit as well.
The things that concern me. Why is he even in North Carolina? Why did a known felon bail him out of jail?
I mean we've known for some time know, Josh Gordon isn't a very smart young man, I mean it just is what it is. The facts is, he is at this point still an asset that is worth something. If he serves his suspension, I am sure some team would give us something for him. There is nothing we can do but wait it out at this point.
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How many colleges did he get kicked out of for failing drug tests?
If he entered the league at Stage 1 then his college past carried over to the NFL and he has been punished for that prior behavior. If he entered the league and was not put in Stage 1, then his college past means nothing.
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That we know of? One...sort of...either he drank the purple crap or some cough syrup. My guess is the purple drank. The punishment for that violation was odd.
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I'm pretty sure that everyone on this board thinks JG is stupid for putting himself in these situations. Who are you agreeing to disagree with regarding whether JG is stupid?
A delayed flight (possibly and provable), a lead foot (oh the horror), and half a beer too many (.09? Really?)...and we need to send him to rehab? That's nuts...rehab what? Stupidity?
FYI: I don't believe that JG is a saint. My guess is he's still smoking weed. However, I have no info that would suggest he has a drinking problem or is addicted to weed - if that's even possible. He might be a crack head. The point is that we don't know. Right now, I know he's a dumb donkey for putting himself in these situations - and I've said that numerous times.
What if he's just a dumb donkey?
Failed college tests don't carry over to the NFL and the only way he could have gotten suspended last year was multiple violations of the policy. That's on top of the most recent failed (missed?) test and DUI... which is also a violation of the same policy even though it's not a failed drug test.
Mantis specifically said that his DUI/speeding/drug issues with the NFL doesn't make him stupid. That was what my 'agree to disagree' comment was in reference to, but that seems like a rather small point...
To me the 'delayed flight' story sounds like a bad excuse and drug testing procedures for athletes that I know of aren't that draconian. If that truly happened then he should win his appeal but I'm not going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt in the meantime. I don't think he deserves it.
That's not even getting into the DUI thing. You would think that with all the drug testing issues he's already having, he would be on his best behavior. You would think.
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What will a year, or more, suspension do to his skills?
He obviously can't keep himself clean, so a year out of football is not going to do anything to help that, and most likely end up letting himself go during that time off.
My guess is that his career is all but done, someone may take a chance on him, but he will never live up to last year's performance, when, if, he returns.
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To me the 'delayed flight' story sounds like a bad excuse and drug testing procedures for athletes that I know of aren't that draconian. If that truly happened then he should win his appeal.....
I think the excuse is quite plausible. Its a random test, so its not like he's given the heads up, testing in 2 weeks notice- clean up your act heads up.... It would defeat the idea of a random test.
This entire situation should be easy to prove...... When was he notified, where was he at, did he contact the office to change locations of the test, there should be receipts for the flight and easy to prove the flight was late..... IF all this is true, the failed/missed test is a non-story.
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To me the 'delayed flight' story sounds like a bad excuse and drug testing procedures for athletes that I know of aren't that draconian. If that truly happened then he should win his appeal.....
I think the excuse is quite plausible. Its a random test, so its not like he's given the heads up, testing in 2 weeks notice- clean up your act heads up.... It would defeat the idea of a random test.
This entire situation should be easy to prove...... When was he notified, where was he at, did he contact the office to change locations of the test, there should be receipts for the flight and easy to prove the flight was late..... IF all this is true, the failed/missed test is a non-story.
Where did that story come from anyway? Just curious-- I haven't heard of it outside of this message board. ESPN reported it a while back as a failed test from marijuana... http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/1...long-suspension
They are usually reliable with stuff like this, but it wouldn't be the first time they were wrong about something. We'll find out more when he has his hearing with the NFL at the end of the month.
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I have a feeling that Josh has played in his last NFL game.
Not a chance in the world he stops smoking weed or drinking and driving.
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I think Gordon and Manziel should team up and see if buying from the same dealer can lead to quantity discounts.
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Him "keeping his job" isn't exactly that... He doesn't get paid for the time he is suspended. Doesn't do us much good to cut him.
maybe it would send johnny manziel a message. he is next for this crap.
Truly remarkable that you could somehow find fault with Johnny Manziel in Josh Gordons idiocy. Remind me again, has Manziel ever failed a drug test? Did he have any REAL trouble at Texas A&M? Has he veer been arrested?
Ridiculous.
Re: Josh Gordon. No reason to cut him, it would be stupid to cut him given all the facts. He wasn't exactly plastered, he was just slightly over the limit. I'm not trying to minimize his idiocy, but I've probably been in my car slightly over the limit as well.
The things that concern me. Why is he even in North Carolina? Why did a known felon bail him out of jail?
I mean we've known for some time know, Josh Gordon isn't a very smart young man, I mean it just is what it is. The facts is, he is at this point still an asset that is worth something. If he serves his suspension, I am sure some team would give us something for him. There is nothing we can do but wait it out at this point.
An asset to whom? Certainly not to the Browns. We don't HAVE a #1 wide receiver. We have to either trade for one, or draft one next year. Because even if Gordon is only suspended for one season, we can't COUNT on him to be available next year. We will never be SURE of his status. So the team has to act as if he's not available even when he is. We have to draft and trade as if Gordon doesn't exist. How is that an "asset"? An asset is something you can count on. Gordon will never be that. He could stay out of trouble for years and the Browns would still have to consider him as nonexistent.
As far as a trade once he's reinstated? We might get a 6th rounder for him. Maybe.... I don't see a team trading much for a guy they almost certainly know won't be on the team for long. I think after this latest incident the entire league knows Josh Gordon is a complete idiot. Has nothing between his ears. Who in their right mind would trade a high pick for a kid like that? I was thrilled when we took the kid. I thought he'd wake up like many other young men have and settle in to a nice career. But I thought wrong. Gordon doesn't want to play football. He WANTS to be suspended for a good long time.
Yes, many of us have got behind the wheel when we shouldn't have. But we didn't have a suspension hearing for the future of our NFL career hanging over our heads and most of us didn't have the assets to hire a car service. Gordon has absolutely NO excuse for getting busted this close to his hearing. And I really hope Goodell throws the book at him. Seems like Gordon hopes that too.
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Gordon doesn't need "help" or rehab. Gordon needs to grow a brain. He's not addicted to anything except stupidity and willfulness. He thinks because he has talent he can do anything he likes. Nothing is forcing him to smoke weed or drive after drinking. He WANTS to do those things because he really doesn't give a damn about his NFL career. It's his CHOICE. It's not like if he put down the bong he'd go through the DT's. The only way this kid will ever stay out of trouble is if one day he DECIDES to do so. Makes up his mind that football is important to him. As it stands now, football isn't on his mind. He just doesn't care.... Rehab isn't going to make him care. Isn't going to make his career important to him. That comes from within, and he doesn't have that in him.
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Gordon doesn't need "help" or rehab. Gordon needs to grow a brain. He's not addicted to anything except stupidity and willfulness. He thinks because he has talent he can do anything he likes. Nothing is forcing him to smoke weed or drive after drinking. He WANTS to do those things because he really doesn't give a damn about his NFL career. It's his CHOICE. It's not like if he put down the bong he'd go through the DT's. The only way this kid will ever stay out of trouble is if one day he DECIDES to do so. Makes up his mind that football is important to him. As it stands now, football isn't on his mind. He just doesn't care.... Rehab isn't going to make him care. Isn't going to make his career important to him. That comes from within, and he doesn't have that in him.
Ex-Brown Jackson says Gordon 'needs help'
Former Cleveland Browns team captain D'Qwell Jackson said he tried multiple occasions to help troubled wide receiver Josh Gordon.........
Two other people who have worked closely with Gordon told ESPN's Ed Werder that he has issues with substance abuse dating back to high school and have urged him to seek professional assistance.
Jackson said he plans to reach out to Gordon again soon, but he is not sure Gordon would take his assistance.
"At this point, calling the cellphone is not going to work," Jackson said. "You have to fly out to him. You have to fly out to wherever he is, take him to dinner and pick his brain to see what's important to him."
Read more: http://www.wmtw.com/sports/Ex-Brown-Jackson-says-Gordon-needs-help/26825636#ixzz36oYYUWIp
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Gordon doesn't need "help" or rehab. Gordon needs to grow a brain. He's not addicted to anything except stupidity and willfulness. He thinks because he has talent he can do anything he likes. Nothing is forcing him to smoke weed or drive after drinking. He WANTS to do those things because he really doesn't give a damn about his NFL career. It's his CHOICE. It's not like if he put down the bong he'd go through the DT's. The only way this kid will ever stay out of trouble is if one day he DECIDES to do so. Makes up his mind that football is important to him. As it stands now, football isn't on his mind. He just doesn't care.... Rehab isn't going to make him care. Isn't going to make his career important to him. That comes from within, and he doesn't have that in him.
Amen, & Pass the Ammunition.
That is the beginning, middle, and end of the issue right there.
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Gordon doesn't need "help" or rehab. Gordon needs to grow a brain. He's not addicted to anything except stupidity and willfulness. He thinks because he has talent he can do anything he likes. Nothing is forcing him to smoke weed or drive after drinking. He WANTS to do those things because he really doesn't give a damn about his NFL career. It's his CHOICE. It's not like if he put down the bong he'd go through the DT's. The only way this kid will ever stay out of trouble is if one day he DECIDES to do so. Makes up his mind that football is important to him. As it stands now, football isn't on his mind. He just doesn't care.... Rehab isn't going to make him care. Isn't going to make his career important to him. That comes from within, and he doesn't have that in him.
Amen, & Pass the Ammunition.
That is the beginning, middle, and end of the issue right there.
sooo. you and spirit know him better than Jackson and Two other people who have worked closely with Gordon told ESPN's Ed Werder that he has issues with substance abuse dating back to high school and have urged him to seek professional assistance?
thanks for the input but I think people who know him have a better idea of what is going on. jmo.
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Gordon doesn't need "help" or rehab. Gordon needs to grow a brain. He's not addicted to anything except stupidity and willfulness. He thinks because he has talent he can do anything he likes. Nothing is forcing him to smoke weed or drive after drinking. He WANTS to do those things because he really doesn't give a damn about his NFL career. It's his CHOICE. It's not like if he put down the bong he'd go through the DT's. The only way this kid will ever stay out of trouble is if one day he DECIDES to do so. Makes up his mind that football is important to him. As it stands now, football isn't on his mind. He just doesn't care.... Rehab isn't going to make him care. Isn't going to make his career important to him. That comes from within, and he doesn't have that in him.
Amen, & Pass the Ammunition.
That is the beginning, middle, and end of the issue right there.
sooo. you and spirit know him better than Jackson and Two other people who have worked closely with Gordon told ESPN's Ed Werder that he has issues with substance abuse dating back to high school and have urged him to seek professional assistance?
thanks for the input but I think people who know him have a better idea of what is going on. jmo.
I think most people agree Gordon needs help... except Gordon. That's the problem.
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Maybe time to try to shop the kid. He obviously just doesn't get it, nor is willing to try to get it. His priorities are clear and football doesn't seem to be amongst the top of them. He's learned seemingly nothing.
Shop him? For what a box of Tagalongs or Do-Si-Dos? That's about the only offer a GM with half of his wits is going to make to us. He's done. We're screwed. Another draft pick that blew up in our faces. And it goes on....
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He has all of the earmarks of an alcoholic and/or drug addict. You cannot help a drunk or doper get sober if they don't want to do it. Until he says, and firmly believes, "I am powerless over drugs and alcohol and my life is unmanageable," there is nothing anyone can do to help him. And even then, the success rate for continued sobriety is roughly 2%.
I've been there done that. I never lost a multi-million dollar NFL career but I sure drank a lot of stuff away. No one could tell me jack. Until I was done, I wasn't done.
And from the codependency handbook, "You didn't Cause it. You can't Control it. You can't Cure it."
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Chris Carter on ESPN right now.. thankfully he's such an awesome guy who is here for Gordon... "If you were the Browns, what would you do?" "Release him" 
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Amen, & Pass the Ammunition.
That is the beginning, middle, and end of the issue right there.
sooo. you and spirit know him better than Jackson and Two other people who have worked closely with Gordon told ESPN's Ed Werder that he has issues with substance abuse dating back to high school and have urged him to seek professional assistance?
thanks for the input but I think people who know him have a better idea of what is going on. jmo.
I think most people agree Gordon needs help... except Gordon. That's the problem.
The A.M.A. and the Federal government classify substance addiction as a disease. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Hemmingway was a drunk. Freud was an opium and later heroin addict. Priests, nuns, ministers, lawyers, doctors, politicians, rock stars etc. I've seen them all. It has nothing to do with intelligence or a lack of will. He has a disease. There is a solution but if he don't want it, he don't want it. Been to too many funerals of people who just didn't get it.
This is more then sad because The Browns and fans are screwed again. This guy is heading down the road that leads to one of three places. Incarceration, institutionalization in a mental health facility, or the cemetery - if he doesn't come to realize where he is at and what he is.
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what if his speedometer is off?
Or the cramp usually in his brain worked down to his foot for a few seconds. Could be.
At least give him credit for driving in the most inconspicuous/grocery gettin car as you can get.
That's his car? No wonder he keeps getting pulled over.Dude should just dump that,and buy a standard class vehicle.
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He was pulled over in PJ Hairstons rental...
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He has all of the earmarks of an alcoholic and/or drug addict. You cannot help a drunk or doper get sober if they don't want to do it. Until he says, and firmly believes, "I am powerless over drugs and alcohol and my life is unmanageable," there is nothing anyone can do to help him. And even then, the success rate for continued sobriety is roughly 2%.
I've been there done that. I never lost a multi-million dollar NFL career but I sure drank a lot of stuff away. No one could tell me jack. Until I was done, I wasn't done.
And from the codependency handbook, "You didn't Cause it. You can't Control it. You can't Cure it."
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Amen, & Pass the Ammunition.
That is the beginning, middle, and end of the issue right there.
sooo. you and spirit know him better than Jackson and Two other people who have worked closely with Gordon told ESPN's Ed Werder that he has issues with substance abuse dating back to high school and have urged him to seek professional assistance?
thanks for the input but I think people who know him have a better idea of what is going on. jmo.
Alright. He's "addicted" to Marijuana. Oh no. Weed is worse that heroin! Oh woe is Gordon. Poor kid. He's doing his best but the evil weed is FORCING him to smoke it. *snicker* And that liquor forced him to get behind the wheel. I call BS. What's DQ supposed to say? The kid is a complete moron with nothing between the ears and doesn't want to play in the NFL? That's not going to happen. Its politically correct to say he's a great kid and it's all the fault of the evil weed or booze. And that's the problem. Nothing is EVER the players fault.
In your post you quoted DQ as saying he's TRIED to help the kid. Others have TRIED to help the kid. So "help" isn't getting through to the idiot. The only thing making Gordon F-up is Gordon. Josh Gordon is perfectly capable of staying on the straight and narrow. He just doesn't WANT to. And rehab won't do anything for that kind of person. He'll go through the motions. Say all the right things to "pass" rehab. But unless he really wants to do the things necessary to play in the NFL, it won't stick. Rehab can't grow Gordon a brain.
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I don't care.That flashy car isn't doing him any favors..."Oh look,there goes Josh,let's follow him."
No kidding. Some people are dumb. The cops main mission after 10pm is to pull over violations, with the probability the person has had something to drink.
The cops don't really care about a burnt out tail light. They aren't going to pull you over for that during the morning rush. If you are speeding by 15 at 3AM, you're an idiot. You are getting pulled over for nearly any violation....just to see. I am sure the occasional "milk man" or Coke Route driver gets pulled over. Some of these people have to be to work at 4, and the cop probably gives them a friendly warning. Cops are "working stiffs" just like the man or woman trying to get to their bread truck.
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Is this the same Federal Government that classifies Marijuana as being equally as dangerous as Heroin? MORE dangerous than Cocaine? They classify it as a disease yet lock up addicts. That's like locking up a cancer patient for being sick.... The Feds are locked in to a no win "War on Drugs" and use that as an excuse for their misdeeds. It's a sickness when it suits them, and a crime when it suits them.
Fact is the NFL players Union F'd up during the last CBA negotiation. They should have bargained HGH testing in place of Marijuana testing. Hell, it's legal in 2 States and medicinally in 22 and DC. Unfortunately, the league still tests for it and every player KNOWS that. So they have a CHOICE. Smoke weed and sell women's shoes, or not smoke weed and play in the NFL. Josh Gordon has made his choice. He prefers getting stoned to playing football.
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Gordon doesn't need "help" or rehab. Gordon needs to grow a brain. He's not addicted to anything except stupidity and willfulness. He thinks because he has talent he can do anything he likes. Nothing is forcing him to smoke weed or drive after drinking. He WANTS to do those things because he really doesn't give a damn about his NFL career. It's his CHOICE. It's not like if he put down the bong he'd go through the DT's. The only way this kid will ever stay out of trouble is if one day he DECIDES to do so. Makes up his mind that football is important to him. As it stands now, football isn't on his mind. He just doesn't care.... Rehab isn't going to make him care. Isn't going to make his career important to him. That comes from within, and he doesn't have that in him.
Amen, & Pass the Ammunition.
That is the beginning, middle, and end of the issue right there.
sooo. you and spirit know him better than Jackson and Two other people who have worked closely with Gordon told ESPN's Ed Werder that he has issues with substance abuse dating back to high school and have urged him to seek professional assistance?
thanks for the input but I think people who know him have a better idea of what is going on. jmo.
I think most people agree Gordon needs help... except Gordon. That's the problem.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
It doesn't matter one bit what other people think about the situation. Until Gordon feels that he needs help, help isn't going to help.
Granted, attending rehab MAY give him a few moments of clarity that allow him to see that he needs to change his ways, but that is rarely the case. Usually, things have got to hurt first. A lot.
Browns is the Browns
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Alright. He's "addicted" to Marijuana. Oh no. Weed is worse that heroin! Oh woe is Gordon. Poor kid. He's doing his best but the evil weed is FORCING him to smoke it. *snicker* And that liquor forced him to get behind the wheel. I call BS.
it is worse than heroin. because it is so widespread. the booze? lmao did you look at the mug shot? .009 didn't do that to his eyes. guy was high as a kite. good thing they didn't do a blood test on him.
force him into rehab? not only do the browns have the moral obligation to do it but with what they invested with him I think they have the legal right to do it. and while he is in there should give him a little snip so he cant have any little potheads running around to boot.
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it is worse than heroin. because it is so widespread.
Actually heroin is very widespread. Cheaper and much purer than in the past. And there is no comparison in the two.
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force him into rehab? not only do the browns have the moral obligation to do it but with what they invested with him I think they have the legal right to do it.
I actually wish they did but I doubt they do,
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and while he is in there should give him a little snip so he cant have any little potheads running around to boot.
10,000 comedians out of work and you're here trying to be funny?
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Actually heroin is very widespread. Cheaper and much purer than in the past. And there is no comparison in the two.
well might as well make it legal and tax it then. same excuse potheads use for pot. everyone does it so......
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Actually heroin is very widespread. Cheaper and much purer than in the past. And there is no comparison in the two.
well might as well make it legal and tax it then. same excuse potheads use for pot. everyone does it so......
One is highly physically addictive which leads to high crime and violence.
The other is not physically addictive and does not lead to higher crime and violence.
You are a funny man.
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highly physically addictive
just what is going on with Gordon.
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give him a little snip so he cant have any little potheads running around to boot.
No way...one of those little potheads may just grow up to be determined to prove that he has better talent than his father and keeps with the rules.
Josh is making decisions that aren't popular with a lot of people... but they are his decisions and he will have to deal with the result of them...
I will not judge Josh... and I sure in hell would never agree with snipping a mans chance to have a family just because of a few decisions he made as a young and growing person..
I'm very grateful for my children who made me a better person.
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Anybody can agree....that was a ignorant commet he made.
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Most everything he says is.
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Most everything he says is.
True enough......you sure as hell can't take him for his word.
The Word ends up far from reality.
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Most everything he says is.
True enough......you sure as hell can't take him for his word.
The Word ends up far from reality.
Huh? What did I say?
Oh wait! You weren't talking about me.
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