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I'd rather read THROW LONG try to compare Josh Gordon to Evel Knievel to this nonsense.
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I'd rather read THROW LONG try to compare Josh Gordon to Evel Knievel to this nonsense.
what? don't think josh needs help. forced or voluntary he needs help?
or is it the rest?
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forced will not work... he hss to make the decison himslef to quit, without that from him he will never quit. I quit coke, pot and cigarettes all cold turkey (not at the same time), when I decided I needed to, cigarettes where the hardest but I still flashback to shooting coke when I have blood taken from me. Right before they loosen that band I hear the voice in my head say "dump it".  I digress, bottom line is he needs the want to if he is going to.
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I quit coke, pot and cigarettes all cold turkey (not at the same time), when I decided I needed to
so what made you need to? job? woman? money? to do this you have to make the alternative worse than what he has now. how do you do that. any way you look at it is forced.
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I quit coke, pot and cigarettes all cold turkey (not at the same time), when I decided I needed to
so what made you need to? job? woman? money? to do this you have to make the alternative worse than what he has now. how do you do that. any way you look at it is forced.
Yep,the only way people change is through coercion.There is a button for him in his life,that if pushed will make him say.."whoa,ok that's enough of that." What button that is,only he knows,but we all have one.
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Fantastic. I come back to find pblack18707 derailing another thread with his insane marijuana hate. pblack18707 makes Josh Gordon look like a genius.
Back to the thread topic. While I agree with WSU Willie in sentiment, I would prefer to flip the equation and say that Josh might very well be an addict (although I can only say for certain he is a drug user), but he is not stupid. Did you all forget that drugs lower your inhibitions? Judging a person's decision-making when they are drugged is as fair as insisting the cripple kid run the 4 minute mile in gym class, and then ripping the kid to shreds verbally for not being able to do it. That's what many of you are doing to Gordon.
Now the response to this will be something like "Well how smart can he be to keep doing drugs?" To which I will rejoin that we are back to Gordon being a drug user, and being a drug user doesn't make one stupid. But, of course, this is just my reasonable opinion. I'm getting the sense, however, that many of you disagree, hence the posts questioning Gordon's intelligence. And the irony in all of this is that pblack18707 isn't actually as crazy as I, or some of you, think he is because it is his posts that most explicitly state what is merely implied in all of yours; i.e. drug users are stupid people.
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I quit coke, pot and cigarettes all cold turkey (not at the same time), when I decided I needed to
so what made you need to? job? woman? money? to do this you have to make the alternative worse than what he has now. how do you do that. any way you look at it is forced.
Yep,the only way people change is through coercion.There is a button for him in his life,that if pushed will make him say.."whoa,ok that's enough of that." What button that is,only he knows,but we all have one.
yea but you didn't answer the question. what made you stop? believe it or not I was blissfully unaware of pot and drugs 2 month ago. more to it what made you start?
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Fantastic. I come back to find pblack18707 derailing another thread
sorry I just cant see how you can talk about a pothead that is soon not going to be allowed to play in the nfl without talking about pot.
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Is it me, or did ClevelandBrowns.com just take Gordon's Top 100 video off their website? Interesting...
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Is it me, or did ClevelandBrowns.com just take Gordon's Top 100 video off their website? Interesting...
Yeah, I noticed that too. They are distancing themselves from him fast. I'd lay it at 4 to 1 odds in favor that Gordon's career is over. The NFL is getting tired of pothead athletes along with all the other things they end up doing hurting their reputation as role models for youth.
Parents are already worried about their kids playing football due to concussions. If they don't do something to clean up their image soon there will be even more parents saying no to football due to the violence of the sport and growing amount of drug abuse whether from steroids, pot, alcohol abuse, or pain killer abuse and addiction. There are a growing amount of schools considering eliminating football all together.
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yea but you didn't answer the question. what made you stop? believe it or not I was blissfully unaware of pot and drugs 2 month ago. more to it what made you start?
You should follow along better. The person who replied was just commenting on your reply, but was not the person who you originally replied to.
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so what made you need to? job? woman? money? to do this you have to make the alternative worse than what he has now. how do you do that. any way you look at it is forced.
Yep,the only way people change is through coercion.There is a button for him in his life,that if pushed will make him say.."whoa,ok that's enough of that." What button that is,only he knows,but we all have one.
yea but you didn't answer the question. what made you stop? believe it or not I was blissfully unaware of pot and drugs 2 month ago. more to it what made you start? [/.
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yea but you didn't answer the question. what made you stop? believe it or not I was blissfully unaware of pot and drugs 2 month ago. more to it what made you start?
You should follow along better. The person who replied was just commenting on your reply, but was not the person who you originally replied to.
oops lol
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so what made you need to? job? woman? money? to do this you have to make the alternative worse than what he has now. how do you do that. any way you look at it is forced.
Yep,the only way people change is through coercion.There is a button for him in his life,that if pushed will make him say.."whoa,ok that's enough of that." What button that is,only he knows,but we all have one.
yea but you didn't answer the question. what made you stop? believe it or not I was blissfully unaware of pot and drugs 2 month ago. more to it what made you start? [/.
What question?
huh?
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so what made you need to? job? woman? money? to do this you have to make the alternative worse than what he has now. how do you do that. any way you look at it is forced.
Yep,the only way people change is through coercion.There is a button for him in his life,that if pushed will make him say.."whoa,ok that's enough of that." What button that is,only he knows,but we all have one.
yea but you didn't answer the question. what made you stop? believe it or not I was blissfully unaware of pot and drugs 2 month ago. more to it what made you start? [/.
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huh?
You said I didn't answer your question.So I said,what question? But I see you were asking the other poster....carry on.
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No kidding. Some people are dumb. The cops main mission after 10pm is to pull over violations, with the probability the person has had something to drink.
The cops don't really care about a burnt out tail light. They aren't going to pull you over for that during the morning rush. If you are speeding by 15 at 3AM, you're an idiot. You are getting pulled over for nearly any violation....just to see. I am sure the occasional "milk man" or Coke Route driver gets pulled over. Some of these people have to be to work at 4, and the cop probably gives them a friendly warning. Cops are "working stiffs" just like the man or woman trying to get to their bread truck.
I totally agree. Under different circumstances I would be defending Gordon.. I'm familiar with the road where Gordon got picked up, with no traffic, it's VERY EASY to go 50 on that road.. and it's reported that he blew a .09, which is barely over the legal limit... That's like 2 or 3 beers.... Like I said, under different circumstances I would chalk this up to a mistake that wasn't too big of a deal...
But with Gordon's history and his pending suspension and all of his other problems, he just can't cut it that close... If this happened to a guy with an otherwise clean record, I'd say it was no big deal...
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sooo. you and spirit know him better than Jackson and Two other people who have worked closely with Gordon told ESPN's Ed Werder that he has issues with substance abuse dating back to high school and have urged him to seek professional assistance?
thanks for the input but I think people who know him have a better idea of what is going on. jmo. ]
OK Pblack I will play your game with you. People who know him better think he is a good kid with some real personal issues. He is quiet, and polite in public, he works hard, and cares about his teamates personal lives off the field. However he self destructs when left alone, or when he is away from the team. So people who know him better know he is a good guy who has some deep unresolved issues that he has to deal with on his own. He may learn how to deal with them, or he may blow his NFL career before he learns how to deal with them, BUT those that know him are only worried about him as a person, not him as a NFL player.
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OK Pblack I will play your game with you. People who know him better think he is a good kid with some real personal issues. He is quiet, and polite in public, he works hard, and cares about his teamates personal lives off the field. However he self destructs when left alone, or when he is away from the team. So people who know him better know he is a good guy who has some deep unresolved issues that he has to deal with on his own. He may learn how to deal with them, or he may blow his NFL career before he learns how to deal with them, BUT those that know him are only worried about him as a person, not him as a NFL player.
I also think that he needs to find new friends that hopefully he isn't referred to by Greg Little.
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I quit coke, pot and cigarettes all cold turkey (not at the same time), when I decided I needed to
so what made you need to? job? woman? money? to do this you have to make the alternative worse than what he has now. how do you do that. any way you look at it is forced.
My reasons are my own, just like they would be for any person. the reasons to change are not as important as the decision one has to make to change.
Without the commitment by that individual no change will be perfected no matter how much one tries to force the issue on that person.
No amount of coercion, threats or pleading can make that person change until they hit on the one drivng force, that epiphany , that makes them want to change.
What is Gordon's hot button? only he knows and he will not know until he finds it
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I agree 100 percent. He does need new friends
Easier said then done. The kind of people we'd like him to hang with probably don't want to hang with him.
Birds of a feather flock together. His hanging with scumbag types is a pretty good indicator he is a scumbag type.
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Listening to Fox Sports they believe the DUI will be dropped down to a reckless driving and will be a non-issue. One thing I thought interesting is they mentioned on the show was how can they punish Josh for DUI when they haven't done anything to Irsay?
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Chris Carter on ESPN right now.. thankfully he's such an awesome guy who is here for Gordon...
"If you were the Browns, what would you do?"
"Release him"
Carter has frequently said the best thing that ever happened to him was getting released by his first nfl team (the team is escaping me right now) because it got him to wake up and kick his drug habit
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I agree 100 percent. He does need new friends
Easier said then done. The kind of people we'd like him to hang with probably don't want to hang with him.
Birds of a feather flock together. His hanging with scumbag types is a pretty good indicator he is a scumbag type.
This statement is not even remotely close to having any truth to it.
I'll just leave it at that.
He has to find himself, but the only way that happens is that he has to figure out that the path he is on is not the right one. Unfortunately, he currently like this path.
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"If you were the Browns, what would you do?"
"Release him"
Carter has frequently said the best thing that ever happened to him was getting released by his first nfl team (the team is escaping me right now) because it got him to wake up and kick his drug habit
Comments about Josh Gordon aside, Cris Carter is THE WORST personality on ESPN. And that is saying a lot cause there are some bad ones.
So what he does feel/say about anyone is completely irrelevant to me and lacks substance. Maybe he'll back track on this comment like he has done several times before, most notably his asinine comment about Calvin Johnson not being a top 5 WR a couple years back.
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Honestly. Pot should be legal. That being said, it is illegal, and even if it was legal, the NFL still bans it. Do I agree with the NFL? No.
Put there are plenty of players not smoking weed and not getting suspended. Why? Cause getting paid millions to play a game is way better than being jobless and high.
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"If you were the Browns, what would you do?"
"Release him"
Carter has frequently said the best thing that ever happened to him was getting released by his first nfl team (the team is escaping me right now) because it got him to wake up and kick his drug habit
As someone who this September will celebrate 20 years clean and sober I can say that one of the most frustrating things I encounter among other sober people is the notion that the path they took out of addiction is the ONLY path there is. He comes from the "dog's nose in his own doodoo" school of sobriety. It works for some people, it didn't work for me. I thrive from love and support, feeling like I'm not alone and people are in my corner. Loneliness, isolation and being shunned make me drink and drug harder and longer. It's largely about timing and the person's internal weather and external pressures when the light does finally flicker on. I've sponsored lots of guys over the years and I very much come from the school of "whatever works for you". It most often DOES involve some version of separating yourself, at least for a while, from people & places that are destructive to your constructive aims. I've told many sponsee's over the years it's largely about positive momentum. It get's easier and harder and easier and harder BUT the overall trajectory is easier over the long run.
Look, these threads always devolve into a philosophical debate on the nature of addiction and the definition of addiction, the interpretation of fairness of the rules of the NFL work place and all our own projected feelings from personal experiences about squandered opportunities and lost youth in the face of our own past demons, blindness and stupidity.
The way I see it is this... we still have NO idea the nature of his suspension. There's a bunch of rumors about it being pot, it being a missed test that later came up clean etc etc. We still know nothing. The DUI while speeding on the other hand is a very good indicator to me that this kid is in serious denial and a very good candidate for a downward spiral, the negative momentum. It might get plead down and not effect anything but his PR but if I'm with the team that DUI is, in fact, the thing that rings the loudest bell for me. I wouldn't claim to know how to handle it with Josh because I don't know Josh. I think DQuell is closest to the truth... those people closest to him need to rally around him and try to get him evaluated, try to intervene. Just releasing him or making him grovel is probably not the best way to go. But again, I don't know because I don't know Josh. What I do sense is that he doesn't have any positive momentum and there's a ton of negativity around him. He's got to be feeling it. If I'm with the team I'm trying to reach out, convince him to engage with a professional who understands his psychology and his position and can figure out the best ways to help him out. There's no way to do that from 40,000 feet. I hope there's someone in the Browns and in his circle who know engage him and understand this stuff. Good luck to him.
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Who among us doesn't experience this:
Things that I want to do, I don't do, and things that I don't want to do, I find myself doing.
We're all at different levels of that. But all of us live that.
One of the problems on the board is passing judgement on others for those things of which we are in control while conveniently overlooking those things of which we struggle.
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"If you were the Browns, what would you do?"
"Release him"
Carter has frequently said the best thing that ever happened to him was getting released by his first nfl team (the team is escaping me right now) because it got him to wake up and kick his drug habit
I am glad it worked for CC, however there is no guarnaty that what worked for him would work for JG.
Back then they did not have the ability to suspend for a year, now they do. That suspension will not be markedly affected if we release him or not. When it is up, if he follows all protocals he will be reinstated to us, if we release him teams will be lined up to sign him.
My guess is that he can not walk the straight and narrow and there a good chance he never sees the field again. pity
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
Josh Gordon is just not very smart. That's the difference.
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
Josh Gordon is just not very smart. That's the difference.
Drug Schedules
Schedule I marijuana (cannabis),
Schedule II cocaine
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
weed is worse than cocaine.
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
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Drug Schedules
Schedule I marijuana (cannabis),
Schedule II cocaine
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
weed is worse than cocaine.
Yup, because the government is something worth listening to 
only a fool, and law enforcement agencies, would believe that marijuana is worse than cocaine.
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So, no problem for Johnny Whitenose then, right?
Schedule II
Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, less abuse potential than Schedule I drugs, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous
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sounds like there might be a problem.
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Cocaine <> Weed
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Schedule I marijuana (cannabis),
Schedule II cocaine
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
weed is worse than cocaine.
Yup, because the government is something worth listening to
only a fool, and law enforcement agencies, would believe that marijuana is worse than cocaine.
hmmm. choice between the government or the potheads. what a hard choice.
only a fool would use either.
josh has a problem and he should be forced into rehab. jmo.
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Why do you guys keep responding to this guy?
He's obviously trying to get a rise...and I'm not even sure English is his first language.
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Chris Carter and Josh Gordon are in entirely different leagues of substance abuse.
Cocaine <> Weed
Josh Gordon is just not very smart. That's the difference.
Drug Schedules
Schedule I marijuana (cannabis),
Schedule II cocaine
http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
weed is worse than cocaine.
Yup, because the government is something worth listening to
only a fool, and law enforcement agencies, would believe that marijuana is worse than cocaine.
Frankly, and given the shady path street drugs make from source to customer, I am surprised that anyone would want to smoke, inject, eat, or do anything else with street drugs. A person really has no way of knowing what is in anything they buy. They could be buying a bag of pot mixed with grass cut from the front yard, and dog crap for all they know. It's not like the government is inspecting any of this for purity and safety.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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hmmm. choice between the government or the potheads. what a hard choice.
only a fool would use either.
Agreed. So, why are you doing so?
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josh has a problem and he should be forced into rehab. jmo.
He does have a problem.
Forcing him into rehab isn't a solution. It isn't even a punishment. It is something that can perhaps give him some self-awareness, but that's all it can do. It does not fix, solve, nor cure, anything.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Listening to Fox Sports they believe the DUI will be dropped down to a reckless driving and will be a non-issue. One thing I thought interesting is they mentioned on the show was how can they punish Josh for DUI when they haven't done anything to Irsay?
And how the NFL still supports Haslam even though his company has fleeced some of his customers out of tens of millions of dollars.
-Oh, I forgot. He didn't know.
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