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Marijuana isn’t a “growing problem” for the NFLPosted by Mike Florio on May 18, 2012, 4:04 PM EDT The headline in the Detroit News claims that marijuana is a “growing problem” for the Lions and the NFL. While growing marijuana can be a problem (especially when living next door to a judge) the only growing problem involving marijuana and the Lions is that their top two draft picks in 2011 got caught with it, allegedly, earlier this year. Marijuana is and has been a fact of life for many athletes, for many years. The estimate from former NFL tackle Lomas Brown that 50 percent of the players in the NFL smoke marijuana should be surprising not because it seems high, but because it seems low. And plenty of teams don’t care if a guy smokes marijuana, as long as a guy who has been caught is able to quit smoking marijuana before smoking marijuana jeopardizes his ability to play football. If/when the time comes to choose football over marijuana, the team needs the player to choose football. So smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. Because if you get caught, you eventually need to stop smoking ‘em. ProFootballTalk.com
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It's not hard to smoke weed and play in the NFL.
You get tested for recreational drugs once a year. You take that test, and you're good for a year.
You have to be a jackass to get caught.
And once you get caught, it gets a lot tougher to get away with.
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Except Gordon came in already passed the first part on once a year testing...
Once you reach that point, you have to quit..
Wasn't he possibly tested something like 10 times a month? That's every 3 days..
Find a new hobby..
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A person really has no way of knowing what is in anything they buy. They could be buying a bag of pot mixed with grass cut from the front yard, and dog crap for all they know
Are you serious with this?
Are you picturing a dark alley with steam coming up from the sewers? Dealer got a toothpick in his mouth? Trenchcoat? Tam hat, maybe?
yea. everyone knows drug dealers\pushers are really just misunderstood upstanding citizens.
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Michael Irvin on Cris Carter saying the Browns should cut Josh Gordon: 'his ass is out of line' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/michael_irvin_rips_cris_carter.html By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on July 09, 2014 at 9:50 PM, updated July 10, 2014 at 2:12 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Michael Irvin says that fellow Hall of Fame receiver Cris Carter's "ass is out of line'' for urging the Browns to cut Josh Gordon in the wake of his DWI arrest last week. Irvin, who gave a motivational speech to the Browns last summer, became a mentor to Gordon through his friendship with former Browns coach Rob Chudzinski and former offensive coordinator Norv Turner and knows Gordon personally. "I was so hot when I heard it,'' Irvin told Dan LeBatard on Wednesday on Miami's The Ticket radio station, via the Palm Beach Post. "I was so hot. You know, I love Cris Carter and he's a good dude and I know what he's trying to do and he's doing his job because his job is to bring his experience to the desk, to a microphone, and share his experiences. "But he's touching these lines, just like I'm touching when I'm trying to help guys, and you're on TV. You have to toe a thin line here, you have to toe a very thin line. People consider you, like, 'you talked to Josh so you must know more. If you said they need to cut him, then my God, maybe they should cut him.' "Now, isolation for Cris may have been the best thing. Separation, for Cris, may have been the best thing. For Josh, maybe it's the worst thing.'' Irvin, who like Carter has battled his own drug addiction, emphasized that everyone's situation is different. Carter's point, both to cleveland.com and on ESPN's Mike and Mike show, was that being released by the Browns would be Gordon's catalyst to getting clean, just like it was for him when Eagles coach Buddy Ryan cut him in 1990. "This is a brain disease,'' said Irvin, who planned to encourage Gordon to attend Larry Fitzgerald's pro receiver camp in Minnesota this summer. "Addiction is a brain disease. You know, we act as if 'how can you make that decision? You must be stupid.' He's not. That's why they call substances dope. Because it makes you less intelligent and you make the poor decision. It's a brain disease. And it affects everybody differently. "You know, what worked for Cris -- when we're talking about true recovery -- may not work for the other, so you can't make a blanket statement and just say 'worked for me, it'll work for him,' because that's not necessarily the truth and I thought it was a bit irresponsible. We have to be very careful in this position given the situation where you're trying to help people. ...and then also turn around, saying 'I'm mentoring and I'm helping.' "The people start thinking that you have insight on the situation, so when you come out and make those kinds of comments and you're not in his sessions with his professional help, you don't know what's going on in those sessions, then you're being irresponsible. I was a bit disappointed Cris Carter made that statement.'' Irvin then shared that he felt Carter also crossed the line with Irvin when Irvin was struggling with substance abuse. "I'm going to (get) a little personal on this even though I love Cris to death,'' said Irvin. "I don't know what year it was we were in the Pro Bowl. And all Cris is trying to do, he's just trying to share his experiences. He said to my wife -- he said to my wife -- 'you know, Michael would never come out of this problem until you leave him. Till you leave him.' For years, I've held it. I've never shared that with anybody. I've never in my life shared that with anybody. I was so irked with Cris because he was out of line then. His ass is out of line now. He is out of line.'' A source told cleveland.com that the Browns are working hard to get Gordon help in the aftermath of the DWI, during which his blood-alcohol level was .09. The arrest came in the midst of Gordon awaiting word on his indefinite ban from the NFL for at least his third violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy. Gordon's appeal hearing is set for later this month. (end)
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Can't say I blame him at all.
I think Irvin has made some valid points,. Just because something works for one guy, doesn't mean it's going to work for the next guy.
Also, Carter didn't take into account the team aspect of things.
As for the team getting Gordon help, it's a nice gesture, but until he decides to change, nothing can help him.
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"I'm going to (get) a little personal on this even though I love Cris to death,'' said Irvin. "I don't know what year it was we were in the Pro Bowl. And all Cris is trying to do, he's just trying to share his experiences. He said to my wife -- he said to my wife -- 'you know, Michael would never come out of this problem until you leave him. Till you leave him.' For years, I've held it. I've never shared that with anybody. I've never in my life shared that with anybody. I was so irked with Cris because he was out of line then. His ass is out of line now. He is out of line.''
What the hell is wrong with Cris? I can't believe Irvin likes the dude after that. Oh man, I'm getting mad just thinking about this.
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I've said it before.....Cris Carter is a joke.
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Posted by Mike Florio on May 18, 2012, 4:04 PM EDT
The headline in the Detroit News claims that marijuana is a “growing problem” for the Lions and the NFL.
While growing marijuana can be a problem (especially when living next door to a judge) the only growing problem involving marijuana and the Lions is that their top two draft picks in 2011 got caught with it, allegedly, earlier this year.
Marijuana is and has been a fact of life for many athletes, for many years. The estimate from former NFL tackle Lomas Brown that 50 percent of the players in the NFL smoke marijuana should be surprising not because it seems high, but because it seems low.
And plenty of teams don’t care if a guy smokes marijuana, as long as a guy who has been caught is able to quit smoking marijuana before smoking marijuana jeopardizes his ability to play football. If/when the time comes to choose football over marijuana, the team needs the player to choose football.
So smoke ‘em if you got ‘em. Because if you get caught, you eventually need to stop smoking ‘em.
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I would have to say that the "50% of the players in the NFL smoke marijuana" quote seems really, really high (no pun intended) to me... I don't think the percentage of pot smokers would differ that much in the NFL than people in everyday life.
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Pain relief for the beating these guys take all year.
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Pain relief for the beating these guys take all year.
I know there are people who actually use pot for pain relief, but I smoked it for years and years and years and not one time did I ever use it for pain relief, or thought of it as a pain-relieving drug. I still don't, but if it works for you in that manner....
There are better drugs out there for pain relief that are legal in the NFL.
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Pain relief for the beating these guys take all year.
I also think if 50% of football players actually smoked pot, more of them would be getting caught doing so.
Not really. If you're not in any stages then they only test for pot once a year at the start of training camp. So if you can just not smoke weed for one week then you can for the next 51 weeks.
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Did Carter get cut because he was using, or because he was playing like crap?
He was a lower draft pick that wasn't performing, so he got cut...
Josh Gordon was the best WR in the league last year... their stories are completely different...
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Did Carter get cut because he was using, or because he was playing like crap?
He was a lower draft pick that wasn't performing, so he got cut...
Josh Gordon was the best WR in the league last year... their stories are completely different...
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A 4th round pick by the Philadelphia Eagles in the 1987 supplemental draft, Carter saw limited action during his rookie season catching just 5 passes for 84 yards and 2 touchdowns. His first professional catch was a 22-yard touchdown vs. the St. Louis Cardinals.[10]
Carter got more involved in the Eagles offense in 1988 catching 39 passes for 761 yards and tying for the team lead with 6 scoring receptions. In 1989, he became the teams' primary red zone receiver, leading the Eagles with 11 TD catches (3rd in the NFC) while hauling in 45 passes for 605 yards.[11]
Shortly after, Carter had a falling out with coach Buddy Ryan and was a surprise cut following the pre-season. Carter later admitted that Ryan released him because of alcohol and drug abuse, including large amounts of ecstasy, cocaine and marijuana, and credits his former coach with helping him turn his life around as a result.[1
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Did Carter get cut because he was using, or because he was playing like crap?
He was a lower draft pick that wasn't performing, so he got cut...
Josh Gordon was the best WR in the league last year... their stories are completely different...
Not really. Carter got drafted in the Sup, so he went pretty low (But Josh could have went low as well). Carter then dominated within the Eagles offense.
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I'm just tired of Carters "I know more about this than everyone because it happened to me, and if you don't do what I say you're dumb" attitude basically...
He looked and sounded like a tool with his materofactly "I would release him" comment...
And tellng someone's wife that they have to leave him is terrible..
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I would have to say that the "50% of the players in the NFL smoke marijuana" quote seems really, really high (no pun intended) to me... I don't think the percentage of pot smokers would differ that much in the NFL than people in everyday life.
Considering most every player in the NFL is 35 or younger, and a majority of players in their 20's, I believe NFL average pot use would be substantially higher than the nation's population as a whole.
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j/c  why cant we get players that think this way?
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And that got them a 2-14 record last year.
Who cares what these guys do in their free time.
Just win and nothing else matters.
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He was a lower draft pick that wasn't performing, so he got cut...
Josh Gordon was the best WR in the league last year... their stories are completely different...
Exactly. This is why I can't believe some of the ridiculous comments on this thread about Gordon, some going as far as to suggest his life hangs in the balance. It's utter nonsense. So Gordon likes to smoke and got caught with .09 in his blood. Why does this mean his life is out of control? Is there any evidence that his extracurricular activities have affected his physical performance? He only led the league in receiving last year. As far as physical performance is concerned, I'd advise him to keep smoking. Don't mess with a good thing. Gordon just happens to work for an organization with asinine rules. Now you can call him stupid for getting caught. I don't think it's that simple, but I'll concede on that. But anyone who projects these rule violations to Gordon's life in general have a serious misperception problem, fueled by rampant media speculation, no doubt.
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some going as far as to suggest his life hangs in the balance.
Fine.. I'll start using purple font.. jeez...
Anyways, the point is not about how stupid the NFL rules are (very) it's the fact that THEY ARE THE RULES..
And it's not so much his life is out of control, it's that his only discernible life skill that anyone is aware of is playing professional sports.. and if he continues doing what he does, he won't be able to do that..
Then what will he do?
Maurice Clarett is the extreme example, guy was going to be great, got full of himself, partied too much, ended up broke, and almost killed someone.. Now he's locked up...
Josh has a really nice car that I can't assume he's paid off already, and probably a bunch of other crap people give athelets "on loan"
If he can't play football, he can't pay for them, and then what happens? Look at VY filing bankruptcy, and that was only because he sucked at football...
I've always said, Do what ever you want during the offseason, just don't get caught, because all I care about as a guy on the Browns, is how you help the team.. Maybe that's crude, but it's true...
Josh came into the system at a stage where he could be tested up to like 10 times a month, that's every 3 days... If you value playing in the NFL, and the money that comes with it, then maybe you just should stop smoking weed for the next 10 years...
And hey when you retire, toke it up right before you step on stage at Canton..
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Money isn't everything in life, but if I went from being on the verge of an eight figure contract to being on the verge of unemployment because of my drug and alcohol use, then yes, I would certainly have to consider whether or not my actions were ruining my life.
I don't understand the whole 'eh, it's weed' or 'eh, .09' type thinking. It makes absolutely no sense. That type of thinking is examining each instance in a vacuum, and ignoring the bigger picture. Myopic.
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Money isn't everything in life, but if I went from being on the verge of an eight figure contract to being on the verge of unemployment because of my drug and alcohol use, then yes, I would certainly have to consider whether or not my actions were ruining my life.
Not saying I agree, or disagree, with Cris Carter's statements - but if being released is what it took to "bring him to the light" - then maybe the same "could" apply to Josh.
Sad-to-say and admit, but all the Gordon trade talk that I raised my nose up to and spit on, didn't want to hear, wish it to be untrue and etc... kind of regretting it a little. That would have assured us not having to deal with Gordon's bullcrap, got a huge value outta the deal and would have likely assured the Browns to have selected a WR high-round.
Food for thought. I'd feel more comfy going into this season with Sammy and A. Hawkins and whoever else and Buster and Haden at corner with whoever else at nickle instead of Gilbert. Our offense is seriously going to have to continue to bank on the defense providing them opportunities, good ball placement/field positioning and keeping opposing offenses off the scoreboard cause we just don't have the weapons to move the ball if Kyle and the entire aspects that will form our run game cannot produce.
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I'm not really worried about what people think Josh should do.
I'd be more interested in hearing from Josh, what he thinks, how he feels, etc.
Obviously, I'm not in that position, but a lot of these guys talking are. People like Carter or D'Qwell mean well, but if they really want to help, call the kid and listen.
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At least Jacksonville is lucky and knows Blackmon is done...
Gordon sits here and drags us along the entire time..
Oh, well then I guess he does fit in in Cleveland afterall...
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No disrespect bro but bluntly putting it - why would you even care as to what Josh has to say? He's already done everything opposite of what he's preached and said before about many things regarding staying outta trouble, not going back to his old self, proving/not letting down the Browns, etc etc etc etc. Some could call him a liar and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them.
Me personally, anything Josh really would have to say would likely not be taken seriously to me, unless he said he apologies, he knows he has a problem, and he knows he needs to check himself into a rehab environment. JMO.
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I think "rehab environment" is the right term..
I don't think he literally needs to go a rehab facility, but he needs to "rehab" the way he goes about his life..
It could be as simple as who he surrounds himself with, a young man, with money, and fame.. There is always going to be those people that are looking to latch on and take the ride with you... And it doesn't matter to them if you crash and burn...
I think that's Manziel's biggest problem right now, and it may be Josh's...
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I think it's myopic to judge Gordon's situation based on (a) lack of knowledge about his case, and (b) failing to take into account the NFL's abnormal drug regulations. The tired response about him needing to obey the rules no matter what they are is missing the point. Drug use seems to be second nature to Gordon. Under ordinary circumstances, I don't think you would have a problem with that given your "just don't get caught" position. And as I said before, his drug use obviously isn't affecting his physical performance.
Now, consider you had a job for which you were paid an exorbitant amount of money, and that job suited your skill set so well that you couldn't come close to making that kind of money any other way. Naturally, you are going to take that job, right? Now consider that this job has some asinine rules about a personal behavior that is in your nature, a behavior that is trivial insofar as your mental, physical, and emotional competence is concerned. But your boss is hung up on regulating this particular behavior of yours for some ridiculous reason, and you are put in the difficult situation not doing the thing that is in your nature to do. In this situation, do you really think it is as simple as saying, "Well, they're paying me a lot of money to do this job, so I'll just stop this behavior that is perfectly normal for me despite the absolute arbitrariness of the rule"?
This hypothetical is probably a complete waste of time because everyone is going to reply that of course they would. But I'm calling BS on that because none of you have been in that situation, so you don't have a clue about how you would react.
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The only problem with your reply, is that all jobs that have good pay and benefits have clauses concerning a drug policy and conduct. No matter your skill set.
If Gordon is aware that it's "in his nature" not to live by those rules, he should have been looking for help to change that behavior. I smoked weed for decades. I drank for decades.
But at some point, my job required that to change. To say it wasn't a part of "my nature" to do those things would be incorrect. However, I went against what seemed natural to me to do what was necessary to bring about changes.
I agree with you in principal because I never went to work high. I never let what I did off the job effect my job. But the fact is that there are boundaries set that most all of us must adhere to.
Society will not change simply to suit "our nature". He has to change or kiss his career good bye. Those are his choices. And it seems he's been making a decision in that regard.
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Both Carter and Irvin had problems. Which one would you actually want to mentor your troubled football players?
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Myopic.
I think it's myopic to judge Gordon's situation based on (a) lack of knowledge about his case, and (b) failing to take into account the NFL's abnormal drug regulations. The tired response about him needing to obey the rules no matter what they are is missing the point. Drug use seems to be second nature to Gordon. Under ordinary circumstances, I don't think you would have a problem with that given your "just don't get caught" position. And as I said before, his drug use obviously isn't affecting his physical performance.
Now, consider you had a job for which you were paid an exorbitant amount of money, and that job suited your skill set so well that you couldn't come close to making that kind of money any other way. Naturally, you are going to take that job, right? Now consider that this job has some asinine rules about a personal behavior that is in your nature, a behavior that is trivial insofar as your mental, physical, and emotional competence is concerned. But your boss is hung up on regulating this particular behavior of yours for some ridiculous reason, and you are put in the difficult situation not doing the thing that is in your nature to do. In this situation, do you really think it is as simple as saying, "Well, they're paying me a lot of money to do this job, so I'll just stop this behavior that is perfectly normal for me despite the absolute arbitrariness of the rule"?
This hypothetical is probably a complete waste of time because everyone is going to reply that of course they would. But I'm calling BS on that because none of you have been in that situation, so you don't have a clue about how you would react.
The fact that you don't see the behaviors that are part of his personal nature are The Problem is indicative of the fact that you don't understand the problem here at all.
The notion that is doesn't affect his physical performance has absolutely zero bearing on anything. The fact that he fails drugs tests and gets arrested - and thus it IS affecting his life - is ALL that matters..
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This hypothetical is probably a complete waste of time
Yes, it is.. but not for the reasons you might think.
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despite the absolute arbitrariness of the rule
His, and your (and everyone else not in power to change the rule) opinion of the rule doesn't matter.
If you want to get paid, you got to play by their rules. Sure, you can test it, but if you get caught, it's nobodies fault but yours that you're burned and no longer collecting a check. Take whatever actions you want, but own up to your consequences.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I think it's myopic to judge Gordon's situation based on (a) lack of knowledge about his case, and (b) failing to take into account the NFL's abnormal drug regulations.
B does not matter.
That's like standing in front of a judge and telling them you don't believe in marijuana laws when you get arrested. You may have a valid point, but it won't get you anywhere and your personal beliefs don't have any bearing on the reality of the law.
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Under ordinary circumstances, I don't think you would have a problem with that given your "just don't get caught" position.
That is my stance.
I've said many times that I don't care if he smokes weed all day, every day. Just don't get caught.
I don't really care about the guy outside of him playing Cleveland Browns football. But if you ask my opinion...yeah, I'd say the guy is flushing his life down the toilet, and his drug and alcohol use is the reason why.
Why do you feel that's a shortsighted opinion?
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Now, consider you had a job for which you were paid an exorbitant amount of money, and that job suited your skill set so well that you couldn't come close to making that kind of money any other way. Naturally, you are going to take that job, right? Now consider that this job has some asinine rules about a personal behavior that is in your nature, a behavior that is trivial insofar as your mental, physical, and emotional competence is concerned. But your boss is hung up on regulating this particular behavior of yours for some ridiculous reason, and you are put in the difficult situation not doing the thing that is in your nature to do. In this situation, do you really think it is as simple as saying, "Well, they're paying me a lot of money to do this job, so I'll just stop this behavior that is perfectly normal for me despite the absolute arbitrariness of the rule"?
Unequivocally, yes.
Especially when that set of rules is incredibly lax, and very easy to maneuver around.
And, yes, I have been in that situation. I've worked for companies that require 'random' testing that basically boil down to one test a year to fulfill insurance requirements.
You make sure you're clean for that test, and you're on your way.
And that's pretty much how it works in the NFL. Unless you're a moron and fail it. Then it gets more strict.
Gordon's inability to adhere in that regard is a troubling sign, and it's not overreacting or being overblown to say so.
Imagine putting your hand over a hot stove, getting burned, and pulling back. Then you stare at it for awhile, and put your hand back over it. Over and over.
That's a good analogy for what Gordon is doing.
This is, what, his ninth or tenth screw-up in the last three or four years? You think that's OK?
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why cant we get players that think this way?
We have plenty of them:
Joe Thomas
Mitchell Schwartz
Mack
Kruger
Obi
Hoyer
Skrine
Kitchen
Austin
Bitonio
Mingo
Rubin
And a number more.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
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