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Dang - if $250 a day per person is the going rate, I'll gladly step up and take care of my 3 person family for that amount. That would be 3 people. I wouldn't need $250 times 3.........just give me $250 a day, I'll take care of the rest..............plus, I wouldn't have to work anymore.
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Give me a family of four, they can stay in my house for the rest of my life while I live in mexico on the government checks 
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Our ancestors, who came from foreign countries in search of a better life, stole the land from the Native Americans. We murdered them, wiped out their culture and called them savages for trying to protect the land they loved.
Now, we are offended because other people want to come to this country and make a better life for themselves.
Very odd, but it's also predictable.
I agree with most of what you said, but there is a huge difference.
When Europeans came and tried to take the land, the Natives fought back best they could.
That's a fair point. However, I really don't think the invading Mexicans are trying to steal our land and put us on reservations. They just want a better economic opportunity.
Just so you know, I didn't express my opinion on illegal immigration. I was just pointing out a hypocrisy.
Furthermore, and my tone of voice is not harsh............my wife has Mexican blood. She makes over $300,000 a year and it really bothers me when guys like anarchy come on here and say that Mexicans are coming here to steal.
I live in an upscale part of Columbia, SC and I can tell you that the Mexicans WORK their butts off in this community. Much more so than many other races. I have them in class and they typically are respectful, polite, and hard-working even though the language is a barrier. They don't complain. They just show up and do the best they can.
That is not true for ALL of them, but I am confident that it speaks to the majority. And statements of ignorance such as the one anarchy made earlier rub me the wrong way.
You know, it's easy for many of us to hate a group of people who we don't really understand. It's been a practice since the beginning of humankind. Do you remember Regan's "Freedom Fighters?" LOL.....that was--and is--classic. I say that we should judge each individual as an individual rather than assigning a tag to that person because he/she is part of a certain group. I know this will all fall on mostly deaf ears, but I had to say it.
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Just so you know, I didn't express my opinion on illegal immigration. I was just pointing out a hypocrisy.
Just what is your opinion? Do you think we should open the borders and accept anyone that wants to come here? I've got nothing against Hispanics, but I think there has to be limits and a process for someone to become a US citizen, and that does not include entering the country illegally and then beginning the process. I don't think we should give a free pass or turn a blind eye to someone that knowingly violates our laws, no matter their intentions.
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No, you're not on ignore. You can be.
But, I would say that you really should know the history of America before accepting claims that Europeans stole anything from anyone.
I recommend that you brush up on some history first. Start with American history and then move to some European history.
Ah, good. It's just that you don't seem like the type to put up with thoughts that run counter to your own.
Anyways, what have I been wrong about exactly?
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I've got nothing against Hispanics, but I think there has to be limits and a process for someone to become a US citizen, and that does not include entering the country illegally and then beginning the process. I don't think we should give a free pass or turn a blind eye to someone that knowingly violates our laws, no matter their intentions.
As I've said many times over the years...this is a byproduct of capitalism. I don't say that as an endorsement or criticism of capitalism. I say it merely to point out that cheap labor is a necessarily component within this economic system.
It isn't going away because no one wants it to go away. That should be evident by the fact that every Democrat and Republican with any real power in the last 30+ years has expanded the flexibility for illegal workers to get here and work.
Our political system is dictated by money, and money dictates a necessity for cheap labor.
I really should start copying and pasting a lot of this. I can just post the appropriate one in any threads regarding the 20-30 things we rehash over and over every year.
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Bro I think you have read my feeling on both legal and illegal folks in this country. If they come here legally to make a better life for themselves and their family I am all for them and willing to help them out. If they sneak across the border I have no use for them at all.
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No, you're not on ignore. You can be.
But, I would say that you really should know the history of America before accepting claims that Europeans stole anything from anyone.
I recommend that you brush up on some history first. Start with American history and then move to some European history.
Ah, good. It's just that you don't seem like the type to put up with thoughts that run counter to your own.
Anyways, what have I been wrong about exactly?
Oh, it isn't that I don't like thoughts that run counter to my own. I don't generally take insults from people. When they insult me or are obviously ignoramuses, I don't usually care to waste my time cluttering up my screen.
What have you been wrong about?
The American history side of things and then the European history side of it.
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Bro I think you have read my feeling on both legal and illegal folks in this country. If they come here legally to make a better life for themselves and their family I am all for them and willing to help them out. If they sneak across the border I have no use for them at all.
This. But even more than this. Coming across and surrendering, knowing that you'll eventually be freed is just as abhorrent. It's a slap in the face to all of those that do come here legally.
They come here to make a better life for themselves? How about making a go for a better life for themselves where they come from?
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I really should start copying and pasting a lot of this. I can just post the appropriate one in any threads regarding the 20-30 things we rehash over and over every year.
I'm well aware of what your opinion is, and I was asking another poster his. I included my own (which I've given more than once over the years also) only because it seemed appropriate when asking someone else for theirs....to avoid appearing Macesque (lame attempt at baiting).
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Bro I think you have read my feeling on both legal and illegal folks in this country. If they come here legally to make a better life for themselves and their family I am all for them and willing to help them out. If they sneak across the border I have no use for them at all.
This. But even more than this. Coming across and surrendering, knowing that you'll eventually be freed is just as abhorrent. It's a slap in the face to all of those that do come here legally.
They come here to make a better life for themselves? How about making a go for a better life for themselves where they come from?
Except you said scalping was brought over from the Americas when it wasn't (Turns out that a lot of people everywhere thought a good way to terrorize people was to cut the top of their heads out. Imagine that.)
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j/c No further discussion needed. Harry Ried says the border is secure!  http://thehill.com Reid: Southern border is secure Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Tuesday asserted the southern border is secure despite the massive surge of illegal minors from Central America that has overwhelmed federal agencies. “The border is secure,” he told reporters after the Senate Democrats’ weekly policy lunch. “[Sen.] Martin Heinrich [(D-N.M.)] talked to the caucus today. He’s a border state senator. He said he can say without any equivocation the border is secure.” Reid said lawmakers need to worry less about border security and focus instead on President Obama’s $3.7 billion request to help process the tens of thousands of children from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador who have been apprehended on the border. Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson warned Congress last week that Immigration and Customs Enforcement is due to run out of money by mid-August because of the large number of minors attempting to cross into Texas. He said Customs and Border Protection would run out of funding by mid-September. He estimated that as many as 90,000 illegal minors would be apprehended by the end of September. Reid on Tuesday downplayed the need for Congress to change the law to speed the deportations of minors on the Texas border. “My personal belief — there is the law that has created some of the controversy now, there’s enough ... leeway there [that] the executive branch of government doesn’t need new legislation,” he said referring to the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008. Some critics have blamed that law for the surge of minors because it grants an advocate and court date to children from non-neighboring countries who arrive in the United States illegally. All members of the Senate will receive a special briefing from the administration at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday on the growing illegal immigration crisis on the Texas border, Reid announced. He also dismissed a bipartisan proposal by Senate Republican Whip John Cornyn (Texas) and Democratic Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas) to expedite deportations as “too broad.” “From all the reports I’ve gotten, the answer for me is no, I won’t support it,” he said. “I believe our No. 1 concern should be this narrow issue of we take care of this situation we have on the border. As I’ve been told, the Cornyn-Cuellar legislation covers a lot of other issues other than the problem we’re having on the border,” he said. Reid said if the House had passed the Senate’s comprehensive immigration reform bill, there would not be a surge of illegal immigrant minors from Central America. The Cornyn-Cuellar bill would amend the Wilberforce trafficking law by treating unaccompanied migrant children from Central America the same as those from Mexico. Under current law, Mexican children do not receive the same due process rights as minors from Central America and are deported on a much shorter timeframe. Cornyn-Cuellar would allow unaccompanied minors to make a claim for asylum in the United States before an immigration judge within seven days of receiving a screening from the Department of Health and Human Services. It would require immigration judges to determine whether these children are eligible to remain in the country within 72 hours of their claim for asylum. It would also require a plan for additional resources to be deployed to achieve operational control of the southern border.
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I really should start copying and pasting a lot of this. I can just post the appropriate one in any threads regarding the 20-30 things we rehash over and over every year.
I'm well aware of what your opinion is, and I was asking another poster his. I included my own (which I've given more than once over the years also) only because it seemed appropriate when asking someone else for theirs....to avoid appearing Macesque (lame attempt at baiting).
I could just as easily have said j/c...my point, though, is not that you're wrong, but we're almost at a point where no one is even looking at the issue.
The reason we have illegal immigrants is because there is no shortage of people willing to pay them. They're desired, from the top of the ladder, down to small business owners.
The federal government is paying lip service. It's more or less a rehearsed play when they argue about it. When these guys bang the desk and say something needs to be done about it, when their turn at the big chair comes, they do nothing.
Why is everyone so ambivalent?
Because there isn't an answer. Our economic system needs these people. That's just a simple fact.
In that sense, I'm not saying you're wrong, or trying to belittle your opinion, but it is in a sense like saying 'I wish there weren't any violence or wars'. It's a valid sentiment, but it has no practicality.
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Harry Ried is a tool. Just like John Boehner is.
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Just so you know, I didn't express my opinion on illegal immigration. I was just pointing out a hypocrisy.
Just what is your opinion? Do you think we should open the borders and accept anyone that wants to come here? I've got nothing against Hispanics, but I think there has to be limits and a process for someone to become a US citizen, and that does not include entering the country illegally and then beginning the process. I don't think we should give a free pass or turn a blind eye to someone that knowingly violates our laws, no matter their intentions.
I am probably not educated enough on the subject to offer a legitimate opinion. I will say this:
I totally get where you and GM are coming from. That makes perfect sense. In fact, I agree w/you. There are laws that whether they are right or wrong that need to be followed. I can see a problem w/too many people moving in.
On the other hand, I try and put myself in the position of the poor Mexicans and wonder what I would do if I had the opportunity to provide a better life for my family??? Would I sell drugs? No. Would I rob places? No. Would I become a pimp? No. Would I cross a border illegally? Perhaps.
As I said earlier, from the beginning of civilized cultures that had political structures, man has been in search of better opportunities. It helps define the human race. Whether it be political freedom, escape from religious persecution, or the prospect of better economic opportunities, man has done all he could to provide better opportunities for himself and his family. In this particular case, it's obvious that it's all about better economic opportunities. I would ask you to hypothesize what you would do if you were in their situation? Would you honor the border law or would you do what you needed to do in order to feed your family?
Again, I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone. I am simply contradicting posters who act like all Mexican steal. That is an absurd falsehood and my experience has proven to me that they are actually hard workers and non-complainers. I am also debating those who act like they amoral for coming into this country by pointing out that what we did to the Native Americans was far worse.
Not asking you to agree, bro. It's just something to think about.
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I think just by basic definition every Congressman and Senator is a tool.
And that's without using the term in a derogatory or slandering manner.
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I agree with that. I just believe some tools are more often used and given greater importance and power than other tools. 
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Ah, good. It's just that you don't seem like the type to put up with thoughts that run counter to your own.
Anyways, what have I been wrong about exactly?
Oh, it isn't that I don't like thoughts that run counter to my own. I don't generally take insults from people. When they insult me or are obviously ignoramuses, I don't usually care to waste my time cluttering up my screen.
What have you been wrong about?
The American history side of things and then the European history side of it.
I'm looking for specifics here. What exactly am I mistaken about regarding american and european history?
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A People's History of The United States by Zinn is a good starting point.
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Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador . That's who they can get the money from. Or turn them back at the border and let Mexico deal with it.
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j/c Monday, Gov. Rick Perry (R-Texas) announced he is deploying 1,000 Texas National Guard to the U.S. border with Mexico, saying he can not idly sit by while "our citizens are under siege." Pointing out the tens of thousands pf unaccompanied minors only make up roughly 20 percent of those being apprehended illegally crossing the border, Perry said he can no longer wait for the president to act as gang members and drug cartels flood into Texas, causing crime to skyrocket. Perry pointed out Texas tax payers can not bear the expense of processing and housing the surge of illegal immigration caused by President Obama's 2012 executive action "Dream Act" which has given people in Central America the idea children will be allowed to stay once in the United States. Perry has repeatedly called on President Barack Obama to visit the border, calling his refusal Obama’s “Katrina,” moment. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/20...Guard-to-BorderObama talks tough: Child immigrants can't stay President Obama begged Central American parents to stop sending their unaccompanied children across the U.S. border, warning they faced danger and ultimately would be returned home. “Our message absolutely is don't send your children unaccompanied, on trains or through a bunch of smugglers,” Obama said in an interview with ABC News. “We don't even know how many of these kids don't make it, and may have been waylaid into sex trafficking or killed because they fell off a train. “Do not send your children to the borders,” the president continued. “If they do make it, they'll get sent back. More importantly, they may not make it.” Tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors, primarily from high-violence Central American countries, have flooded across the border this year. Under existing federal law, any children coming from Mexico are immediately returned, while others are sent to government detention facilities before being released to relatives or foster parents within the U.S., ahead of deportation proceedings. “If they come from a noncontiguous country, then there's a lengthy process,” Obama said. Republican critics have charged that the president’s immigration policies are responsible for the surge of unaccompanied minors. In 2012, the president unilaterally established a program allowing certain minors who entered the U.S. illegally to remain with legal status. Those crossing the border now aren’t eligible for that program. And Obama denied his policies had exacerbated that problem, saying the influx reflects “the desperation and the violence that exists in some of these Central American countries.” But officials have conceded that criminal organizations in Central America have wrongfully advertised that children would be allowed to remain in the U.S. During a trip through South and Central America last week, Vice President Biden asked leaders there to “inform constituents of the dangers of putting children in the hands of criminal smugglers, to combat misinformation spread by criminal networks attempting to smuggle minors, and to address underlying causes of migration, including insecurity and lack of economic opportunity,” according to the White House. He echoed that message in a meeting with faith leaders, law enforcement officials and refugee advocates Thursday. “At our meeting with Vice President Biden today, we re-emphasized the dire and urgent need for immigration reform,” said Rev. Gabriel Salguero, the president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition. “The rising humanitarian crisis in the Southwest is just another sign that inaction is not an option.” http://thehill.com/homenews/administrati...-sent-back-homeI think it's long overdo for Perry to take such actions. Every GOP governor has this power and complain when the federal government gets involved. Until of course they want to them to. Hats off to Perry for taking action instead of sitting back and complaining that someone else won't.
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Pointing out the tens of thousands pf unaccompanied minors only make up roughly 20 percent of those being apprehended illegally crossing the border, Perry said he can no longer wait for the president to act as gang members and drug cartels flood into Texas, causing crime to skyrocket.
Good God! What a bunch of BS!!!!
Reminds me of the Marijuana propaganda back in the day where they said kids were jumping out of tall buildings and also when Regan talked about the "Freedom Fighters." LMAO.................the power of language.
Man, if only Mexicans were black or gay. Then, they could do whatever the heck they wanted to and be applauded for "having the courage" to cross the border and people would lose their jobs if they dare say a negative word about them.
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