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This is not a done deal but this is what is being worked on
RT @MikeCarins5 Cavs working three team deal w/ Warriors/TWolves. Warriors get multiple 1st rnd picks. Wolves get Klay and Tristan Thompson. Love to Cavs
How would that work under the cap?
Thompson makes what ..... $5 million next year? Love makes $15? How do they make that trade without a whole lot more salary from the Cavaliers?
It seems like a deal that is far too good to be true ....... but it seemed too good to be true that Lebron would come back too ..... so ........ who knows? 
Maybe this is the year of the impossible. 
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Why does Minny care who gets Love as long as they get what they want out of it?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I can't imagine that they do.
Nice story about 2 young Cavaliers ......
Wiggins, Bennett anxious for James' tutelage | FOX Sports on MSN
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/wiggins-bennett-anxious-for-james-tutelage-071214
LAS VEGAS -- Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett made their NBA Las Vegas Summer League debuts Friday, each showing glimpses of the gifts that made them back-to-back No. 1 overall picks and forcing jumpshots that showed how long they still have to go.
But Friday wasn't about dunks or stats or even Wiggins vs. Jabari Parker, the player selected one spot after Wiggins two weeks ago in the NBA Draft. It was about the return of LeBron James to Cleveland, the 29-year-old four-time MVP becoming one of four former No. 1 overall picks on the Cavaliers roster and changing the goals and direction of the franchise, both in the short and long term.
It also puts Wiggins and Bennett very much on the spot.
"Everybody was excited," Bennett said of the Friday morning, Las Vegas-time news that James is returning to Cleveland. "I can't wait for him to come back. I can learn a lot from him on and off the court."
Friday afternoon, Wiggins scored a game-high 18 points and Bennett had 15 -- including a transition dunk that was the play of the game -- as the young Cavaliers held on to beat the Bucks, 70-68, in front of a capacity crowd at COX Pavillion. It wasn't all pretty -- both airballed jump shots and were a combined 13-of-32 from the field -- but Bennett showed off his new, much sleeker self, and Wiggins showed off his rare explosion and leaping ability.
Wiggins and Bennett know their mission now is to focus on improvement and follow the lead of James and Kyrie Irving.
"LeBron is the best player in the game," Wiggins said. "It's been an exciting day. Hearing the good news, that was a great feeling."
Wiggins said he talked with James last year, during his lone season at Kansas, but hasn't since then. Bennett said he's met James twice, once while attending his camp as a high schooler and once last season when James returned to Cleveland for the Cavaliers' Zydrunas Ilgauskas jersey retirement ceremony.
That now stands as a pretty important night in Cavaliers history, at least a small bridge to a future that now includes James -- and very much includes the young talent the Cavaliers put around him.
"It's not all going to be LeBron," Wiggins said. "He has backup. He has me, Kyrie, Tristan (Thompson), AB (Bennett). He has a lot of people on the team that can score and do whatever to help."
Wiggins said he and Bennett already have good chemistry on the floor from their history playing AAU ball in Canada and briefly together with the Canadian Junior National Team. They've been in Las Vegas all week with the entire Cavaliers coaching staff and summer league roster preparing for this summer league, which runs through July 21.
The real stuff starts this fall, and lots of people will be watching.
"It will be a great learning experience, kind of being under his wing," Wiggins said. "I was just happy to hear the best player is coming to (my) team. It will be great for me.
"We'll bring it every day, just like he will. Hopefully he'll take us under his wing and teach us what it takes to get to his level, build a championship team."
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I've watched this team tank a lot for a chance at LeBron James.
Ricky Davis, Smush Parker, Darius Miles, Luke Harangody, Manny Harris, Semih Erden, Samardo Samuels. Ryan Hollins...
Going to be nice watching us Sunday afternoons on national TV again.
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Agreed, and to think I was bummed about losing Spencer Hawes on Monday. Heh, no big deal now.
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Why does Minny care who gets Love as long as they get what they want out of it?
The holdup there would be from Golden State.
So let me get this straight, they were reported to *not* be willing to give up Klay to get Love, but they *will* give up Klay to get TT and some picks.
At least one of those things is surely wrong.
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Getting Love by ONLY giving up TT and picks? Holy crap..
Isn't Thompson LeBron's guy? I can't see him signing off on trading him.
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I know Golden State has some significant trade exceptions.
Couldn't tell you how it would all work out, though.
I put enough into LeBron Watch, that I'm just going to sit back and let it unfold on it's own. Tired of rumors.
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Getting Love by ONLY giving up TT and picks? Holy crap..
Isn't Thompson LeBron's guy? I can't see him signing off on trading him.
Maybe, maybe not.
If it's for Love, he'd probably sign off, though I doubt Love comes that cheap unless he forces the issue.
And it wouldn't hurt TT and LRMR. He's about to be due for his extension, and I doubt a team is going to rent him.
I'm fine with any deal that doesn't include Wiggins, and I doubt that happens unless Love puts on a press.
I know patience is hard for Cleveland fans, but I'd make a couple offers that don't include Wiggins, and if they don't bite. just wait for him to come over in a year.
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Is it premature to ask what year he'll get a statue?
If he finishes out here, it's a given.
Hell, if we win one, Rich Paul might get a statue.
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I think it was Amico who tweeted something to the effect of ... "That was a great letter ... parts of it will appear on his statue in front of the Q in a few years."
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A lot of those words became instant, etched in store mantras in the area.
Paul Pierce to the Wizards...man, what the hell was Brooklyn thinking? Should've bought Doc Rivers, not Pierce and Garnett.
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Lebron came back for one thing. Money. He signed with the Cavs for two seasons of max contract. Two years from now, he'll bolt. So don't make any trades that will leave us in trouble when that happens. Don't mortgage the future for a two year run. And for Gods sake DON'T let Lebron make decisions. He's not the GM and he's not the Coach. He's a great player, but that's it. He's not in charge. Last time around they let him make team decisions and look at the team he left us with. James plays and the GM and Coach build the team. Period.
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If he finishes out here, it's a given.
Hell, if we win one, Rich Paul might get a statue.
I hope he does get a statue. Give the Pigeons a place to take a dump. 
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Whatever, man.
On another note, odds look good that Andy will finish his career in Cleveland, which is strange to think about, as he's been the subject of trade rumors for close to a decade.
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Lebron came back for one thing. Money. He signed with the Cavs for two seasons of max contract. Two years from now, he'll bolt. So don't make any trades that will leave us in trouble when that happens. Don't mortgage the future for a two year run. And for Gods sake DON'T let Lebron make decisions. He's not the GM and he's not the Coach. He's a great player, but that's it. He's not in charge. Last time around they let him make team decisions and look at the team he left us with. James plays and the GM and Coach build the team. Period.
Someone pee in your Cheerios today? If he wanted money, he would of used his Bird rights and stayed in Miami.
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Lebron came back for one thing. Money. He signed with the Cavs for two seasons of max contract. Two years from now, he'll bolt. So don't make any trades that will leave us in trouble when that happens. Don't mortgage the future for a two year run. And for Gods sake DON'T let Lebron make decisions. He's not the GM and he's not the Coach. He's a great player, but that's it. He's not in charge. Last time around they let him make team decisions and look at the team he left us with. James plays and the GM and Coach build the team. Period.
The Heat would have happily given him a max deal.
Lebron is as locked into the Cavaliers as any player could be locked into his team. The letter he wrote was basically a love letter to the whole NE Ohio area, and if he were to bolt again, he would completely destroy his legacy. He all but eliminated any excuse he potentially could have used to bolt the cavaliers in the future. He's here for the long term.
Further, he has no advantage in signing here only to leave in a year o 2. He could have signed a max deal almost anywhere. Name me one team that wouldn;t have done whatever as necessary to fit Lebron under their cap if he said he wanted to play for them.He signed a 2 years deal with a 1 year out with the Cavaliers because he can see which way the cap is heading, and get a max deal for one of the few times in his career. Terry Pluto wrote a good story explaining why he did things the way he did as far as his contract. Barring a complete disaster in Cleveland, and maybe not even then, he's locked into the Cavaliers. I think that he will play the rest of his career with Cleveland.
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Wizards now have a frontcourt of Gortat and Nene. Couple that will Beal and Wall, some solid veteran role players.
Get ready to dust off the old Cavs-Wizards rivalry (if you can call it that).
The Bulls have Noah, Gasol and Gibson in their frontcourt...Butler and Rose (if he can stay healthy).
Don't sleep on LeBron's assertion that it's not going to be easy. Our weakness is our frontcourt, and teams in the East are beefing up on it.
Even if we land Love...we'll still lack paint defenders. Our options are pretty limited, too.
But Miami never had a strong frontcourt in their run. If you can force the other team into a lot of small ball lineups, you can get by with Birdmen and Joel Anthonys. When they were on, the Heat just ran lumbering bigs off the floor.
A lot of pieces are just shuffling, but you get the sense that the East is improving.
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Picking up right where we left off, 
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Only way lebron leaves in 2 years is if he signed max money with the WWE and this is his face turn.
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I put enough into LeBron Watch, that I'm just going to sit back and let it unfold on it's own. Tired of rumors.
Picked up Summer League pass for $5. Good to be a Cavs fan.
This is the most excited post you've ever written. Sometimes it's hard to tell if you're more a fan of being right than the Browns and the Cavs.
Moving on...
A couple of my buddies went to the Wiggins - Parker showdown. Their observations:
Parker is an NBA player NOW.
Wiggins is very athletic. Best athlete on the floor. Not an NBA player in the same mold as Parker yet.
Bennett is MUCH improved.
Question for the board: should we have drafted Parker?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Even though a 4 or 5 year deal would make me feel more comfortable with LeBron 'coming home', the fact that he's signed a 2 year deal with the possibility of an opt out after this season can be a blessing in disguise. In the 7 years that LeBron played for the Cavs previously, Danny Ferry did a very sub-par job in adding talent around LeBron; and even though we won a ton of regular season games, Mike Brown's lack of offensive creativity lead to us being outcoached a lot in the playoffs - when the games really mattered. This type of management from a front office is unacceptable for LeBron at this stage of his career. The 2 year deal that LeBron signed lets the Cavs organization know that they have to show him that they are competent of winning NBA Championships. We have a 1st year Head Coach. A 1st year General Manager. LeBron made this decision for 3 major reasons - His Family, His Legacy, and the potential in the youth of the Cavs roster combined with the flexibility that we have to make moves w/ players/draft picks. A championship organization would know how to use these assets to build a perennial championship contender around a superstar like LeBron. I really like what David Griffin has done and David Blatt seems like the real deal. LeBron put up monstrous offensive numbers in a Mike Brown offense that consisted of basically giving the ball to LeBron, spread out the defenders, and let him do his thing. It put too much pressure on LeBron and failed consistently in playoff games. Blatt runs the Princeton offense which consists of a lot of motion, cuts to the hoop, pick and rolls, etc. and this should lead to even more offensive productivity for everyone. I just hope it all works out for the best..and I think it will. I think LeBron will flourish in this offense and I think that David Griffin can build a team around LeBron and David Blatt that will contend year in and year out. The only thing lacking right now is a big man that can shoot the 3. Having that is pivotal in how effective the Princeton offense can run. You can run it without one, but if you have that big man that shoot deep (and also play great defense), it makes it nearly unstoppable. Yeah we had a deep threat in the 7 foot Spencer Hawes, but he left, and he also lacked defensive presence. Spencer Hawes is a very poor man's Kevin Love. K-Love would fit amazingly into this system. His ability to shoot the ball from the 3 point line would spread the defense as thin as it gets. It is what he sees and he knows that his career would continue to flourish w/ Cleveland. It is why he would sign a multi year extension. He could put up consistent HOF numbers in this system. We know that, he knows that, LeBron knows that, Griffin and Blatt know that, but so do the Minnesota Timberwolves. I really like what I've seen from Wiggins so far. He is definitely a rare talent with a TON of upside. I really hope we can find a way to keep Wiggins and still get K-Love - while also keeping Varejao. If we can somehow pull this off, I see multiple championships coming within the next few years. Time to step up David Griffin. You've been given the keys to a World Class Lamborghini, are able to drive it in the right direction without driving it off a cliff? I sure hope so... 
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Lebron came back for one thing. Money. He signed with the Cavs for two seasons of max contract. Two years from now, he'll bolt. So don't make any trades that will leave us in trouble when that happens. Don't mortgage the future for a two year run. And for Gods sake DON'T let Lebron make decisions. He's not the GM and he's not the Coach. He's a great player, but that's it. He's not in charge. Last time around they let him make team decisions and look at the team he left us with. James plays and the GM and Coach build the team. Period.
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Wizards now have a frontcourt of Gortat and Nene. Couple that will Beal and Wall, some solid veteran role players.
Get ready to dust off the old Cavs-Wizards rivalry (if you can call it that).
The Bulls have Noah, Gasol and Gibson in their frontcourt...Butler and Rose (if he can stay healthy).
Don't sleep on LeBron's assertion that it's not going to be easy. Our weakness is our frontcourt, and teams in the East are beefing up on it.
Even if we land Love...we'll still lack paint defenders. Our options are pretty limited, too.
But Miami never had a strong frontcourt in their run. If you can force the other team into a lot of small ball lineups, you can get by with Birdmen and Joel Anthonys. When they were on, the Heat just ran lumbering bigs off the floor.
A lot of pieces are just shuffling, but you get the sense that the East is improving.
Agreed... that really is the Cavs biggest weakness going forward. I still can't believe they passed on all 3 of Jonas, Drummond, and Noel, but what can you do...
The Heat the last four years make for an interesting contrast against all the other best teams in the league, and quite possibly all other teams that have ever won an NBA championship. I see all the other top-tier NBA teams having at least one very good rim protector at the 4/5. Duncan, Ibaka, Hibbert, Noah...
If you look back at past NBA champions, you see the same thing.... Duncan, Tyson Chandler, Gasol and Bynum, Garnett, Duncan some more, Shaq, Wallace and Wallace, Duncan and Robinson, Shaq some more, Dennis Rodman, Hakeem, Horace Grant, Bill Laimbeer and Rodman again, Parish and Mchale, Abdul-Jabbar, etc etc.
If you want to win championships, it's pretty clear-- you should have an all-star caliber or at least NBA all-defensive caliber big. The Heat are the exception but they had a lot else going for them, not the least of which was how talented the big three were. We all saw what happened when Wade regressed and Bosh was arguably misused.
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Sometimes it's hard to tell if you're more a fan of being right than the Browns and the Cavs.
Not sure what that means...but pessimism usually puts you in the right when it comes to Cleveland sports.
It was a long and winding road to get him back, and I can't help but wonder if it wasn't that one final 1.7% chance.If we didn't win this year's lottery...if he ended up with, say, Doug McDermott...does he still come back? 2.8% chance to land Kyrie...lot of luck to get where we did.
Dan Gilbert is the big winner in all this. His franchise and casino are about to blast off.
And say what you will, but hats off to the Heat and their fans. I know they were the Death Star, but they handled everything with class.
I hope they land the 11h pick in the lottery next year.
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And say what you will, but hats off to the Heat and their fans. I know they were the Death Star, but they handled everything with class.
I've still seen plenty of videos where Heat fans were burning jerseys and such ... just ESPN hasn't been covering it. I think most of them are just apathetic about it. Heck, their twitter account lost something like a million followers after the news of Lebron leaving.
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Yeah, they're a bandwagon fan base. Doesn't meant they don't have their own diehards. Hell, the Indians fan base is pretty fairweather. Nothing wrong with it, and doesn't mean they lack true fans.
Cleveland very much became a basketball town a decade ago. We'll always primarily be a football town, but we embraced that team.The organization tested our patience for a stretch, but it's all for the best.
Anyway, I think Miami handled it well, but LeBron handling it well goes a long way in that, too.
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Don't sleep on LeBron's assertion that it's not going to be easy. Our weakness is our frontcourt, and teams in the East are beefing up on it.
Even if we land Love...we'll still lack paint defenders. Our options are pretty limited, too.
This has always seemed to be our biggest weakness, hasn't it? By the time Lebron was hitting his stride, Z was too old to really make a difference and Andy just wasn't physical enough to hang with the bigger centers.
Here's an interesting suggestion I saw somebody make though: Okafor. It would be a bit of a longshot, as he'll probably want more than we can offer him. But it would give us a nice defensive presence if he did decide to choose to play here.
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Yeah, they're a bandwagon fan base. Doesn't meant they don't have their own diehards. Hell, the Indians fan base is pretty fairweather. Nothing wrong with it, and doesn't mean they lack true fans.
Cleveland very much became a basketball town a decade ago. We'll always primarily be a football town, but we embraced that team.The organization tested our patience for a stretch, but it's all for the best.
Anyway, I think Miami handled it well, but LeBron handling it well goes a long way in that, too.
Winning 2 championships in 4 years sort of softens the blow as well. 
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Yeah, I said I wanted Okafor. Doubt we can afford him. He's on his last legs as far as earning power goes.
Let's hope he saved his money and really wants a ring.
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Yeah, they're a bandwagon fan base. Doesn't meant they don't have their own diehards. Hell, the Indians fan base is pretty fairweather. Nothing wrong with it, and doesn't mean they lack true fans.
Cleveland very much became a basketball town a decade ago. We'll always primarily be a football town, but we embraced that team.The organization tested our patience for a stretch, but it's all for the best.
Anyway, I think Miami handled it well, but LeBron handling it well goes a long way in that, too.
I've seen a few videos of Miami fans burning jerseys. Not to mention a public mural of the Heat that was defaced... My favorite was ESPN interviewing a fan that said it took a long time to build that team... LOL
I don't think you can compare the Indians and their fans to Miami and the Heat. Indians fans have been given very little reason to show up. Most of it in dollar dogs and fireworks shows. Miami was handed the best player in the world, another all star player, to go along with the very go player they already had. And there were nights where they didn't sell out. There were several night where the Cavs actually outdrew them. Miami is a horrible sports town. I love that all of their teams are bad right now. Heat, Dolphins, Panthers, and Marlins.
What they are going to go though for the next 3-5 years could not happen to a better group of sports fans.
Some of the vitriol from Miami spewed Cleveland's way all of last week just makes this even sweeter.
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I'm not mad, sour or anything. No grudges with him. I just said simply I'm not "as happy" as others are. How most people are. I'm on record saying I'm happy he's back home. Where he belongs IMO. How I kind of sense he truly did mean someo f the stuff he said, such as it being "more than basketball" with NE Ohio. I'm just not skipping around like someone who is a millesecond from a crack overdose and bouncing off the walls and etc, like most others are lol 
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Wiggins will prove how valuable he is when we face Indiana with Paul George and Lance. We're going to need two elite athletic defenders for them. The biggest hole on this team, regardless of what we do, is the lack of defense at PF. Tristan Thompson MUST step up. Brendan Haywood is our 3rd string center and Powell is our 3rd string PF. We need a 2nd string center and the front court is set. We also should sign Mike Miller and Ray Allen.
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Just a question.
Next year we'll have that $10 million, non guaranteed expiring contract, the team options on Waiters and Thompson, and Andy expires as well.
Putting all of that together, is there a guy who we could trade for, or so a sign and trade using Andy as a resign, or Waiters and/or Thompson? (or just the non guaranteed contract?)
I also have a question. Like I said, I am not as up on the NBA rules as on the NFL, but is there a point in this season where we can trade that non guaranteed deal for value this year ... or does it have to be next year for us to get close to that full $10 million value?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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They're going to rely on Bosh being a #1 guy and a hobbled Wade.
Good luck.
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Wiggins will prove how valuable he is when we face Indiana with Paul George and Lance. We're going to need two elite athletic defenders for them. The biggest hole on this team, regardless of what we do, is the lack of defense at PF. Tristan Thompson MUST step up. Brendan Haywood is our 3rd string center and Powell is our 3rd string PF. We need a 2nd string center and the front court is set. We also should sign Mike Miller and Ray Allen.
We need a second string center, and also a starting center for when Varejao gets hurt. Either that, or get the guy some HGH so he can stay healthy (hey, as long as they aren't testing for it, it's de facto legal.)
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And say what you will, but hats off to the Heat and their fans. I know they were the Death Star, but they handled everything with class.
I've still seen plenty of videos where Heat fans were burning jerseys and such ... just ESPN hasn't been covering it. I think most of them are just apathetic about it. Heck, their twitter account lost something like a million followers after the news of Lebron leaving.
They've been burning LBJ Jerseys and the media down there has been brutal as well.
They aren't handling it very well either. Who could blame them?
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