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Excellent. That takes him out of any "official" trades for 30 days anyway.
Doesn't really matter one way or the other. Season doesn't start for another 3 months and any deal can be agreed to in principle.
Yeah ... but it makes me feel better anyway. 
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Just talking basketball, I see.
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I have been trying, but then I get the...................Learn how to Read crap.
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LOL..........okay. Love would not help this team. LeBron is an idiot for wanting him on the team. Coach K doesn't know basketball. Those people who rank him as a top 10 player are all stupid.
We don't want to "blow up" that great chemistry that we had last year. It would be stupid to blow up such a juggernaut.
I question Coach K when it comes to the NBA based on his track record of producing insanely high amounts of busts.
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My problem with Kevin Love is that he is horrid defensively. Wiggins could be like Scotty Pippen to Lebrons Jordan by playing elite defense and letting Lebron relax a bit. If we have Love, LBJ is going to have to play elite high level defense all game because Love and Kyrie won't.
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I'm torn on trading so much for Love, but I seriously wonder if some people on this board have ever even watched Wiggins play.
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I see a guy ready to defend an NBA position right now, with massive, elite level speed, quickness, and athletic ability, and a really nice step back jumper than could become unstoppable. (even more so when defenders have to decide whether to make a move to defend against him driving the basket, or stepping back to knock down the jumper)
His dribbling needs some work, and he's not the primary ball handler on any team right now. However, on a team with Irving and Lebron, he doesn't have to be. He doesn't appear to need the ball in his hands in order to be effective.
I think he has special talents that just can't be taught, He also does have rough edges that need work. Some of the scouting reports said that he doesn't have that "alpha dog" mentality, but he wouldn't need that on a team with Lebron.
What are your thoughts on him?
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Minnesota and Denver are probably the 2 worst franchises in NBA history. No matter who Minnesota trades for, that guy will leave when his contract is up.
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I've never heard of the guy but apparently it is a story he is running with.
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'Coach K Explains Why The Cavaliers Should Trade Andrew Wiggins For Kevin Love' http://finance.yahoo.com/news/coach-k-explains-why-cavaliers-125957605.htmlBy Tony Manfred 6 hours ago Duke and U.S. national team coach Mike Krzyzewski told CBS Radio that he would trade Andrew Wiggins for Kevin Love if he ran the Cleveland Cavaliers, and there wouldn't be "one second of hesitancy." His explanation has two parts: 1) Kevin Love is an exceptional player with a unique skill set, and 2) LeBron James is getting older and the Cavs can't afford to waste entire seasons waiting for their young guys to develop. Kevin Love is really, really good: “I think there’s absolutely not one second of hesitancy, I’d trade for Kevin Love. That’s not saying anything about any of the other (players involved in the deal). Love’s an All-Star. He’s a double-double guy, but he’s a double-double guy that can spread the court. There aren’t many double-double guys, if any, who spread the court. He can go inside and outside. There may be a low-post player that gets you a double-double, but Love does it and you can do a lot of different things with him. I mean, I’ve coached him on two teams. No pun intended, but I love Kevin Love." LeBron James is getting older: "You look at LeBron and you have the best player in the world. He’s 29. I’m not saying he’s at the end of his career, but he’s in the second half of his career, let’s put it that way. And in the first half of his career, he was becoming a great player. He was a great talent becoming a great player. That takes time. If Wiggins or Bennett are going to be great, it’s not going to happen right now. They’re great talents. LeBron is a great player right now. You do not want to waste any year of a great player’s career. Love is close to being that. He's not as great a player as LeBron but he's there. You know who Love is right now. They're always developing but he's a consistent outstanding player." The Wiggins-Love trade debate has been the dominant NBA talking point over the last few weeks. The Cavaliers had originally said they wouldn't trade Wiggins, but changed their tune last week. While Love is a great player, trading for him carries some risks. Right now Cleveland has the ability to keep LeBron, Kyrie Irving, and Wiggins and still have room to sign a maximum free agent in the summer of 2015 — when LaMarcus Aldridge, Marc Gasol, and may even Love will be available. Trading for Love would end that roster flexibility. (end)
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And if it's "just" Wiggins for Love, I probably take a deep breath and make that trade.
If it is every available asset we have, then I don't.
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This means they are willing to take on the Kevin Martin contract, right?
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Bulls join Kevin Love chase Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler plus picks is better than David Lee and Klay Thompson, but worse than Wiggins and Bennett plus Picks.
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that is what Minny would want (Butler + Gibson) but just a couple weeks ago all Chicago was willing to give up was Snell + Gibson. We'll see if they changed their tune, but adding Pau and Mirotic would only give them more frontline support, it doesn't do much for their SF position (losing Butler).
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McDermott can play the two or three, right? They would also have Hinrich, Snell, and Dunleavy. I also wouldn't be shocked to see Noah, Gasol, and Love on the floor at the same time with Love bombing three pointers.
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I wouldn't let the guy try to guard 3's...especially in the Central.
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LOL............are you talking basketball or being the board police, yet again?
I talked about:
--the Princeton offense. None of you replied.
--the last three championships featured a Big Three. None of you replied.
--players wanting to play w/LeBron and taking less money. None of you replied.
--the Cavs poor record. None of you replied.
--the Cavs terrible chemistry. None of you replied.
--I talked about the European mind-set. None of you replied.
--I talked about spacing and spreading the floor. None of you replied.
Do I need to go on?
All I got was BS like........."do you have a link?" and "learn how to read."
I'll gladly talk basketball, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to BS w/out throwing a bit back at you guys. If you don't like it, put me back on ignore. I actually enjoyed that time.
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The Cavs traded for a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts to facilitate a Love trade. It looks like the Cavs will be taking back Barea and Martin along with Love.
A Love trade with look something like this:
John Lucas, Erik Murphy, Malcolm Thomas, Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Brendan Haywood, and picks for Kevin Love, Kevin Martin, and J.J. Barea.
Cavs roster would look like this:
James, Love, Irving, Varejao, Waiters, Thompson, Barea, Miller, and Jones with a few fillers in there. I wouldn't be shocked if the Cavs signed Oden to a minimum contract.
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Thanks for the information.
What do you think of LeBron, Love, Irving, Andy, and Waiters in the Princeton offense?
I think, If we get Ray Allen, and also put out Miller and J. Jones out there along w/Kyrie.....we should have a lot of guys who can shoot the 3. That will give us great spacing where guys like Waiters, Kyrie, Andy, and LeBron to either become passers or slashers. I think it is exciting to think about.
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Read this interview with David Blatt, it is very revealing. I think there will be elements of the Princeton offense, but the NBA has become a league where if you don't use the pick and roll you die.
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The reason you want to make this trade, is to give everyone a full training camp together. you wait til the trade deadline, you're almost giving up on winning the championship this year.
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The Cavs traded for a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts to facilitate a Love trade. It looks like the Cavs will be taking back Barea and Martin along with Love.
A Love trade with look something like this:
John Lucas, Erik Murphy, Malcolm Thomas, Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, Brendan Haywood, and picks for Kevin Love, Kevin Martin, and J.J. Barea.
Cavs roster would look like this:
James, Love, Irving, Varejao, Waiters, Thompson, Miller, and Jones with a few fillers in there. I wouldn't be shocked if the Cavs signed Oden to a minimum contract.
Just to clarify: The Cavaliers traded Carrick Felix, $1 million in cash, and a 2nd round pick for the non guaranteed contracts of John Lucas, ($1.5 million) Malcom Thomas, ($948K) and Erik Murphy. ($816K) That gives us roughly $3.3 in non guaranteed contracts to use as chips in a trade. That still doesn't seem like much.
Let's look at the math.
Love makes $15.7 million.
Barea makes $4.7 million.
Martin makes $6.8 million.
That's $27.2 million ..... unless Martin and Barea are heading elsewhere?
We would give up Wiggins, (approx $6 million) Bennett, ($5.56 million) Haywood ($2.2 million) and the $3.3 million in non guaranteed deals. That's only $17 million. How does that trade work? I know that Haywood has a $10 million non guaranteed deal next year, but that can't be used against this year, can it?
I'm still not crazy about giving up Wiggins, but I could live with this deal a lot better than I could us just giving away everything for Love.
I'm also not convinced that we might not be looking to use these deals in another deal that would bring us help elsewhere.
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It's a very good article. Thanks for sharing.
I like the pick and roll. It's effective, but I am actually more convinced than ever that we need spacing and in order to have spacing you need guys who can pass the ball and guys who can shoot the ball. Having slashers is great, too.
I say we have to make this trade.
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The Spurs use more picks and rolls than anyone, sometimes four or five in one possession. They also have more spacing than anyone. Blatt is a smart guy, he will figure out how to use guys to the best of their abilities. Not getting Calipari was a blessing in disguise for the Cavs, he is not great at the Xs and Os.
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I think the thing that the Spurs do best is move the ball. Constant movement in the lane, multiple passes, guys slashing to the basket, others spotting up on the 3-pt. line. They move the ball faster than anyone.
They are a smart team. They understand the game. They have more European players than anyone. I am hoping we follow that lead rather than just having a bunch of athletes that can take our breath away w/thunderous dunks.
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I wish people would stop using buzz words like "Princeton offense"
Blatt implements some of the philosophies from that offense but we won't be running a Princeton offense just because Blatt played there.
With the pure athleticism and amount of rim protectors in the NBA, the "Princeton offense" has no chance of success.
Like someone said earlier, this offense will still be focused around the pick and roll. Creating iso opportunities for LeBron.
It's why we're surrounding him with shooters -- Kyrie, Miller, rumored to be Allen. And it's why Love, as a 4 who can stretch the defense, is a great fit offensively.
This "Princeton offense" is something fans have had pounded into our head because of his background but it's not the reality
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I wish people would stop using buzz words like "Princeton offense"
Blatt implements some of the philosophies from that offense but we won't be running a Princeton offense just because Blatt played there.
With the pure athleticism and amount of rim protectors in the NBA, the "Princeton offense" has no chance of success.
Like someone said earlier, this offense will still be focused around the pick and roll. Creating iso opportunities for LeBron.
It's why we're surrounding him with shooters -- Kyrie, Miller, rumored to be Allen. And it's why Love, as a 4 who can stretch the defense, is a great fit offensively.
This "Princeton offense" is something fans have had pounded into our head because of his background but it's not the reality
You are absolutely correct. The Princeton Offense was developed for teams that were lacking in size and athletic talent (ie Princeton).
Its become almost a generic term now for any offense that moves the ball well.
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Wow! Having a discussion on this board is almost impossible.
Okay..........you are a god. You know more than the rest of us.
Freaking unbelievable how stupid so many of you "smart" guys are.
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And that's your idea of "talking basketball"?
Look vers, you and I have gone over this before -- I'll give you football knowledge, you know the game a way a lot of posters on here don't, and I've always said that (granted, I think you come off like an ass sometimes, but you know the game)
But when it comes to basketball, you're in over your head with me as far as knowledge goes. I proved this to you in the NCAA thread awhile back.
If you want to talk basketball, let's talk basketball. I told you it won't be a Princeton offense. I told you the "Princeton offense" were just buzzwords that the fans have had shoved down their throat because of Blatt's background.
I told you the type off offense we will run, and I told you why we are building the team the way we are. I told you why a true Princeton offense would never work in the NBA.
So if you wanna talk basketball, I'll make you look foolish with pure basketball talk if you want to go there. I don't need to resort to childish posts like your previous.
So let's start with this -- Tell me your understanding of the Princeton offense. Otherwise, go back to the Josh Gordon thread and argue with YTown.
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Minnesota wants your good players and you to take their bad contracts, all for a guy they know will walk out that door
Maybe coachb is working in their front office.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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the cavs will get their man. as long as Wiggins is on the table, Flip will eventually make the trade. he isn't going to get a better offer if we have Wiggins on the table.. no way am I giving up waiters however. I don't believe the cavs will give him up. there's no reason..
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Okay..........you are a god. You know more than the rest of us.
Freaking unbelievable how stupid so many of you "smart" guys are.
Still just talking ball, I see.
You're a parody of your self in this thread.
But, if you can get over yourself for ten minutes...Top is right. You've been talking about the Princeton offense since we hired Blatt, but if you take a look at the guy's resume, he's been very, very fluid in regards to his systems. He adapts his systems to his players, so the notion that we need to find prototype guys to run a prototype Princeton offense isn't a certainty worth looking at everything through the lens of.
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Sources: Cavs acquire three players from Jazz to increase assets to pursue Kevin Love Adrian Wojnarowski By Adrian Wojnarowski Yahoo Sports The Cleveland Cavaliers made a deal to increase their trade asset flexibility in pursuit of Minnesota Timberwolves All-Star forward Kevin Love, absorbing three non-guaranteed contracts in a trade with the Utah Jazz on Tuesday, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Cavaliers unloaded the guaranteed deal of Carrick Felix – along with a future second-round pick and $1 million – for John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy, sources said. Cleveland has been determined to acquire Love since it signed LeBron James to a free-agent deal. Those three players can be included in packages as preludes to a Love deal, or in a Love deal itself to give Minnesota salary-cap relief. The Cavaliers hold an interest in keeping Thomas, who could be an inexpensive role player to strengthen their frontcourt depth, sources said. Cleveland has to be creative in solidifying a deal for Love, who the Timberwolves want to package with Kevin Martin and J.J. Barea, several front-office officials told Yahoo Sports. Cleveland's discussions with Minnesota have escalated with the Cavaliers' willingness to include No. 1 overall pick Andrew Wiggins in the deal, sources said. Without Wiggins, there's no other combination of Cleveland players and picks that would interest Minnesota. Once Wiggins signs his rookie contract, a trade involving him can't be formally completed for 30 days. The Denver Nuggets have remained a strong contender for Love, offering a package that sources said has been the most appealing to Minnesota outside of the Cavaliers and a possible Golden State deal including Klay Thompson. So far, the Warriors have kept Thompson out of their offer to Minnesota. Minnesota wants a package for Love to include Barea, who has $4.5 million left on his expiring deal – and possibly Martin, who has three years and $21 million left. As part of a larger deal, the Cavaliers want to include 2013 No. 1 overall pick Anthony Bennett and a future No. 1 pick for Love. The Cavaliers have been offering future first-round picks for an experienced center, league sources said. Love has demanded a trade before the start of next season, threatening to opt-out of his contract in July 2015 to sign elsewhere as a free agent. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--ca...-185536749.html
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Good for us. Now let's not sell the farm for Love.
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About $3.36 million in non-guaranteed.
Good move no matter what happens.
Glad to hear we're shopping for a center, though I hope we don't burn a first just to get a body.
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Seriously?? That's $27 million in cap space. Are we planning on trading Andy too? Because without throwing in Lebron, Kyrie or Andy, that's pretty much everyone else on the roster to get salaries to match. 
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Yeah, Like I said above, I don;t know how that deal works on a cap basis.
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Okay..........you are a god. You know more than the rest of us.
Freaking unbelievable how stupid so many of you "smart" guys are.
So basically you want to have a discussion as long as everybody agrees with you, and if we dont then we are stupid?? Do I have that right??
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