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0.00% chance of Love signing an extension with us any time before the new TV deal kicks in, unless he and his agent are really dumb.
This trade is a Love rental. You may get a verbal or a handshake, but on paper, in ink, it's a straight rental.
We could give him a one year extension.
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0.00% chance of Love signing an extension with us any time before the new TV deal kicks in, unless he and his agent are really dumb.
This trade is a Love rental. You may get a verbal or a handshake, but on paper, in ink, it's a straight rental.
We could give him a one year extension.
Rookie contracts are absolute solid gold in the NBA. If you're giving one up for half the duration at a high cost, that's a rental.
I still make the trade, but I think that people are assuming we're going to trade for Love and he's going to sign an extension.
He's going to leave us hanging.
Now, if we have him, we're favorites to win the East and get blown out in the Finals, which should be enough to entice him to stay...but it's still hanging in the air.
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As long as he opts in for 2015, I really could careless. Lebron is on a 2 yr deal himself. As long as Lebron is here, and we're having success, I think Love would stay here for a good while..
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Yes, but if we can get an extra year out of him, that's still a 2 year good-faith commitment out of him. Plus we'd have his Bird-rights and Lebron around to keep him interested. I'd like my chances of re-signing him further after that.
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Let's not forget, also, that Lebron didn't cost us anything. (other than a couple of young players who were moved to make room for his contract) Kevin Love would cost us assets. He would cost us young players and draft picks.
While I have a hard time seeing Love saying "I have changed my mind, and don't want to play with Lebron and Kyrie anymore." .. the more expensive he is to bring aboard, the more we have to, at least, consider that possibility.
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Why do you have a hard time seeing an athlete bolting for cash?
Let's say we go to the Finals two years in a row and lose. The team is looking to gear up to get over the final hump. Love is looking to get paid. We ask for a discount, he signs with a team that has space carved out.
I don't see anything remotely farfetched about that. It happens every year in every sport.
I still say we make that trade, but, my God, people are romanticizing Kevin Love.
And putting words in his mouth. The dude has played this as gently as one can when demanding a trade, but if you read through these threads, you'll see stuff like 'Love has told Minnesota he wants to go to Cleveland' or 'before LeBron came back, Love said he didn't want to play in Cleveland'...
...meanwhile, dude has barely said a word.
I'd trade for him, but I'd also play out the string. I wouldn't jump the gun because of the threat of competing offers. Andrew Wiggins is the most enticing available asset in the NBA.
We'll get the right of last refusal.
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The way I see it, is if we're not winning championships and we're not willing to offer Love a max contract in 2 years ... it's because he's part of the problem, not a part of the solution. If we're happy with the situation, then we'll be able to offer him the most money anyway with Bird Rights.
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Kevin Love is 6'7" unless he has grown three inches (he hasn't).
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Kevin Love is 6'7" unless he has grown three inches (he hasn't).
Hulk Hogan is 7'0.
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For those who don't know what we're talking about, Love's 6'10 listing is the product of sports hype. He's 6'7-6'8. Here he is with 6'8 tweener Derrick Williams: http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2011/12/derrick-williams-kevin-love.jpgThat's not to take anything away from or diminish Love...he cleans glass like a 7 footer...but his listing is very much the product of a team that needed to bill him as larger than life.
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Why do you have a hard time seeing an athlete bolting for cash?
I never said that I did. I disliked the way Boozer did what he did. He made a verbal agreement to the Cavaliers that they would let him out of his team option year, and that in exchange for this, he would come back to the Cavaliers. Instead, after he was let loose, he decided that he would shop himself around instead. It wasn't that he left the Cavaliers that ticked me off ..... if was the deceitful way in which he did so.
That's why I have a problem with giving up tons of resources for a guy who is unwilling to commit to the team long term right away. Lebron cost us nothing, and he has a far greater than normal attachment to the area and team. There is little doubt that he will be here for the rest of his career. We don't have that assurance from a guy like Love.
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Kevin Love is 6'7" unless he has grown three inches (he hasn't).
CBS has him at 6'10". I never really thought about it one way or the other. I just took their word for it.
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ESPN- Height Liars Quote:
PF: Kevin Love (“6-10”): He measured at 6' 7.75," but that isn’t what makes Kevin Love’s height deception so dastardly. It’s that K-Love is photographed at the height level of a “6-8” Derrick Williams. Now some would say, “This makes his rebounding all the more impressive.” I’m not so forgiving. Turn in your World Championship trophy, you dirty heightener, you.
I actually hadn't heard this story before and this ESPN article is interesting on it.
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Who is going to guard the 4 if we keep Wiggens and don't get Love? LeBron? That would be brilliant. Let's wear him out on defense.
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Why wouldn't whoever plays the 4 guard the 4?
Wiggins is a superior defender to anyone on the Cavaliers not named Lebron. Wiggins can defend the 1, 2, or 3. (and maybe the 4 in time)
Keeping Wiggins does not hurt our defense at all. Possibly more accurately, adding Love does not improve our defense at all.
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It's pretty obvious that you and many others did not take the time to read the articles I posted--and why should you when you already know it all----so, I will post an excerpt from one of them in response to your latest post. Quote:
If Wiggins starts at shooting guard, Dion Waiters would be demoted to the bench. The problem with that is that Wiggins shot 34.1 percent from three-point range last year in college, which would be below average in the NBA. And that’s before you take into account how much further the arc is in the pros.
On the other hand, Dion Waiters tied for the highest three-point percentage out of all the Cavs players remaining from last season at 36.8 percent. With less shooting (and playmaking), the floor spacing would suffer.
If Wiggins starts at small forward, LeBron would be shifted to the power forward slot, kicking out Tristan Thompson. Although this would mean good things for the offense, injecting the starting five with a blend of shooting and athleticism, the defense would suffer.
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It is well-documented that LeBron played as a small-ball power forward for the Heat in recent years, but he was only able to get away with it when he didn’t have to guard bulkier, stronger big men—players such as David West, Blake Griffin and Zach Randolph. Instead, players like Shane Battier and Rashard Lewis picked up those assignments, freeing James from wearing down.
Unfortunately, Wiggins would be far too undersized to do that, and LeBron would be subjected to the brutal punishment that could result from guarding power forwards.
And a worn-down and unhealthy LeBron is the opposite of what the Cavs need on offense.
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Who is going to guard the 4 if we keep Wiggens and don't get Love? LeBron? That would be brilliant. Let's wear him out on defense.
It's Wiggins, not Wiggens.
And expect a fair amount of LeBron at the 4 spot with or without Kevin Love.
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On the other hand ........
Both Irving and Lebron want to play with the ball in their hands. So does Irving.And Waiters.
Waiters and Irving can each become ball dominant. They each want the ball in their hands. So does Lebron, actually.
That won't be an issue with Wiggins. He will help ball movement by not trying to dominate the ball. I actually think that he fits the defense well, because he can shoot when open, and can drive and pass well. He has a beautiful step back jumper. He can get his own shot. I see no reason why he doesn't fit. He should also become a better shooter with experience.
Your article compares the 3 point shooting of Waiters, who played his 2nd pro season last year, to Wiggins, who played his 1st year of college. Really? And 36.8 to 34.1%? Is that an appreciable difference? Neither is a good 3 pt shooting percentage. If each player takes 250 3 pointers, as Waiters did last year, (and in which case, I might question Blatt's coaching) then Waiters would make 92, and Wiggins would make 85. Is that really an appreciable difference over the course of the season?
Also, Wiggins only took 134 3 point shots in his college career. Hardly a huge sample size to work with. As a rookie, Waiters shot 63/203. So, he shot 31% as a rookie. Is that a concern? Not to me. Each player will continue to develop.
Given Wiggins' talent, it seems likely that he will improve his shooting over the next few years. He seems like a determined kid as well.
As far as guarding bigger PF ..... why would Lebron have to do that if we played aPF at PF? That seems more likely against the bigger PF types. Either Bennet, Thompson, or even Andy could be the PF on defense. Lebron could guard certain PF in certain situations. He is not going to be a full time banger at the 4. He could be part of a small ball offense with Irving, Waiters, Lebron and Wiggins. That would be an obscenely athletic 4. With Andy at Center, that 5 would run most teams out of the gym ..... as long as no one hogs the ball. Wiggins is not one of the players likely to so that.
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I have a question for you.............did you even watch any of the video clips about how we are going to run our offense or is your mind made up and you don't want to take the time to consider all the information?
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I go by what I have seen about NBA offense. Every offense needs a guy who can shoot off the pass, and a guy who can get his own shot. I see no reason why Wiggins can't do both.
Now, it's time to get to the doctor.
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There was an initial report that Love didn't want to play in Cleveland, and it was quickly refuted with a quote saying he liked the young group we had (pre draft). Then on draft night Broussard reported he would sign long term if traded to Cleveland and with the catch that lbj was coming. That's as close as a quote from a guy currently under contract as it gets.
Also, Woj reported that Lebron talked to KL about playing in Cleveland, isn't that collusion and what we were mad about with the whole Heat/Riley/dinner thing or does that not apply player to player?
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Also, Woj reported that Lebron talked to KL about playing in Cleveland, isn't that collusion and what we were mad about with the whole Heat/Riley/dinner thing or does that not apply player to player?
I suppose it might be, but the NBA won't stop anything. For the past few weeks, the NBA has dominated the headlines when baseball, golf, and training camps normally own them (well, not since the first Decision). They are enjoying the spotlight.
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Also, Woj reported that Lebron talked to KL about playing in Cleveland, isn't that collusion and what we were mad about with the whole Heat/Riley/dinner thing or does that not apply player to player?
From what I've read, that only applies to front office people.
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Also, Woj reported that Lebron talked to KL about playing in Cleveland, isn't that collusion and what we were mad about with the whole Heat/Riley/dinner thing or does that not apply player to player?
From what I've read, that only applies to front office people.
So if that's true, Lebron would be the only person able to talk to KL about his extension demands until after a trade is official?
The more I learn about all this, the more I'm cool with keeping Wiggins, Bennett and the picks.
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Minnesota is allowed to grant permission to speak with him and his agent.
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Makes better sense. Thanks.
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Not saying this to anyone on here, but I hope Cavs fans are patient even if we get Love. It is insanely hard winning a title.
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So if that's true, Lebron would be the only person able to talk to KL about his extension demands until after a trade is official?
Love will not be signing an extension with anybody anytime soon.
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Do you know him personally?
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Do you know him personally?
Are you serious with this?
Who knows? Maybe he'll have no problem leaving millions on the table by prematurely and needlessly signing an extension before his Bird Rights and the new TV deals kicks in.
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Really with that there was some way that we could get Love and keep Wiggins.
The only way I see that happening is if we just roll the dice and wait. We could hope that Love ends up not being traded and then midseason, when the Twolves realize they are still not very good and they are about to lose Love and get nothing in return we could reopen talks that do not include Wiggins... or we could just wait until Love opts out and try to sign him straight up next offseason.
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Who knows? Maybe he'll have no problem leaving millions on the table by prematurely and needlessly signing an extension before his Bird Rights and the new TV deals kicks in.
Well Kyrie did. 
And if we traded for him, we'd get his Bird Rights. Like I said before, if he wants to show some "good-faith", he would sign an extension for an extra year, which would bring him up to the new TV deal. We could then offer him more money and more years than anyone else.
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Kyrie Irving signed a max extension. My bet is that Love just opts into the final year of his contract and then decides what to do after that.
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You know my love will Not Fade Away.........
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I was waiting for an announcement than we signed Andy Dufrain.
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Something that scares me to death about this team, regardless of who we trade for- Will they develop a killer instinct? What I mean by that is sticking their foot on a teams throat when they need to and not letting them come back. Lebron is the only guy who knows how to do that. San Antonio was the perfect example of what I'm talking about. Every time Miami tried to come back, the Spurs had an answer.
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Cavs have signed Wiggins. Start the 30 day clock now.
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I hope we start the 10 year clock ...... but that's just me. I suppose that it's unlikely that we'd be able to get Love without giving up Wiggins.  I wonder if Love has told Chicago that he will re-sign with them, or not. (I would assume there have. at least, been feelers)
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A Bulls friend of mine said they signed McDermont already, so the same clock it ticking on their side too.
The teams can agree on a trade regardless of when the rookies signed, it's a paperwork issue from there.
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