The killer instinct/mental toughness/intestinal fortitude angle is legit. The Cavs were mentally weak last year. Their chemistry sucked. Wiggens scores all of 6 pts when Kansas was eliminated in the NCAA tourney. Even LeBron......man, I hate saying this, but his body language looked awful on a few occasions against San Antonio and we all know what happened against Boston when he was here.
A couple of other things:
--PDR..........you are something else. You state innuendo as fact and then act like you shouldn't be questioned. No, that isn't talking basketball, it is talking PDR. LOL
--Hard to believe some still would rather keep Wiggens and not trade for Love. Did you guys read the available information? LOL............I doubt it. Your mind is made up. Education stinks. Opinion is everything. Go down w/the ship, boys........because if Minni agrees, the Cavs are going to make the deal for Love.
--DC responded to me earlier about wouldn't every team want good floor spacing, guys w/a high BB IQ, size at the 4, and good 3 pt shooters. The answer is that while some offense place more importance on some of those things than others........Yes, those are important components for a winning bb team. Yet, we still have guys on here not wanting to make the deal. Interesting.
Quote: --PDR..........you are something else. You state innuendo as fact and then act like you shouldn't be questioned. No, that isn't talking basketball, it is talking PDR. LOL
The last two things I can recall discussing with you about basketball is that LeBron will play the 4 a fair amount this year with or without Love, and that Love isn't going to sign an extension with us this upcoming season.
Really? I didn't know that. LOL man.......you are a trip.
You said something factually when there was no evidence that it was a fact. Here is a little advice...........quit taking yourself so seriously. You are NOT the beginning and end all on this board. Your act is incredibly old.
You said something factually when there was no evidence that it was a fact. Here is a little advice...........quit taking yourself so seriously. You are NOT the beginning and end all on this board. Your act is incredibly old.
This coming from the guy who says: "I know more about basketball than you."
Oh, btw............Mr. Basketball..............nice contributions to the articles I posted about our new offense. Your expertise on the matter was very helpful.
What? You didn't post on any of those articles and posts that had to deal w/our offense? You only posted to say that you knew more about BB than me and to make a "pot meet kettle" post?
So, don't talk about it. Keep making intellectual posts like "pot meet kettle."
And you are kidding, right..........I didn't just put my own two cents in........I posted articles that backed up what I was saying about our offense. It's been clearly proven what he has done w/the Princeton offense in his career and how some of our guys fit or don't fit. It's been clear how great of a fit Love would be in this offense.
Just keep your nose in the air. You wanna fight instead of talk. No problem, Top Dawg. Hey......Top Dawg? Hmmmm..........."I know more about basketball than you." How fitting. LOL
If we don't get Kevin Love it's not the end of the world. I'd love to pick up an older, yet better and cheaper, option next year with Marc Gasol, but that's a severe pipe dream.
Alright...............explain why Wiggens/Wiggins is a better fit w/our team than Love. Please.
I have given you guys a multitude of reasons why the opposite is true. Let's hear your reasoning.
Oh.............I know you all watch a bunch of ESPN highlights and Wiggins has more dunks and you read articles about what a great athlete he is and how much potential he has, but please............tell me how he fits in our offense better than Love. Please refute all the points that I have put out there for you guys to read [even though most of you never read them.]
Just put him on ignore. He's single handedly killing this board. I used to come here and actually talk about the topic at hand, now every thread is a personal argument between Vers and somebody. No wonder no one posts here anymore. It might be time to find a new Browns board.
I just put him on ignore. Check my post history, I barely even post in the football discussions because I can't stand the dude. Like a plague he is oozing over into other areas of the board.
We have LeBron for two years. He wants Love. LeBron is no longer young. It's not rocket science, we need to get Love.
I like Gasol, and his passing ability would be great in our new offense. I was going to dismiss him because I feel that too many posters are not looking at this objectively and I almost just lashed out. You made a good point. He would be a good fit. Now......I still think that Love's ability to spot up and shoot the 3 is more important and he is also an excellent rebounder and outlet passer.
But, good point.............at least it is a legitimate bb point rather than a poster attack point. Seriously, he would be great at that high post spot that was in the video that I showed [if you read that post.] He also has the ability to make that shot.
Quote: Not one of your freaking guys who start crap w/me responded to the posts I made about our new offense.
A lot of people responded.
You just got hissy when they didn't agree with you.
Here's Top:
Quote: Blatt implements some of the philosophies from that offense but we won't be running a Princeton offense just because Blatt played there.
With the pure athleticism and amount of rim protectors in the NBA, the "Princeton offense" has no chance of success.
Like someone said earlier, this offense will still be focused around the pick and roll. Creating iso opportunities for LeBron.
It's why we're surrounding him with shooters -- Kyrie, Miller, rumored to be Allen. And it's why Love, as a 4 who can stretch the defense, is a great fit offensively.
Here's KING:
Quote: The Princeton Offense was developed for teams that were lacking in size and athletic talent (ie Princeton).
Its become almost a generic term now for any offense that moves the ball well.
KING
Here's me:
Quote: You've been talking about the Princeton offense since we hired Blatt, but if you take a look at the guy's resume, he's been very, very fluid in regards to his systems. He adapts his systems to his players, so the notion that we need to find prototype guys to run a prototype Princeton offense isn't a certainty worth looking at everything through the lens of.
Here's some of your responses to these posts:
Quote:
LOL......get bent because I disagree w/your logic.
You really need a job, man.
Quote: Wow! Having a discussion on this board is almost impossible.
Okay..........you are a god. You know more than the rest of us.
Freaking unbelievable how stupid so many of you "smart" guys are.
People were more than willing to talk about basketball with you. You just didn't like their answers so you pouted like a teen who lacks self control.
It appears to me that you don't like that it's been pointed out that we won't be running the Princeton offense, because it doesn't mesh with the spine of your basketball takes.
I would get over that and start talking basketball instead of crying when people don't agree with you.
Not in a basketball thread. Never could play the game decently so I ended up refereeing High School games. My one and only contribution here to refute your comment...
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
The Princeton Offense is too slow developing for a 24 second shot clock in the NBA --
You know, maybe Vers is right, maybe Blatt DOES try to run the Princeton Offense, but if he does, he'll get fired before the year is even over, because the Princeton offense is not made for the NBA.
The NBA is all about the pick and roll. Always has been, always will be.
The staple, if we had Love, is going to be the pick and roll with LeBron/Andy -- Creating ISO opportunites for LeBron, and surrounding him with shooters -- Love, Kyrie, Miller, Allen.
Dude, you've spent your last 4 and a half posts doing nothing but biching about other posters for putting you down and you've spent the majority of the thread insinuating everyone that doesn't agree with you is an idiot.
You want a comment about your video ... fine. They guy basically said Blatt's going to want guys that can space the floor and move the ball around. But he also said that he's highly flexible and can run all kinds of offenses depending on what he's got. Of course a coach will want guys that can space the floor, I think every coach wants that. But it also looks like he will have a very movement heavy offense with lots of backdoor cuts and screens. Things Wiggins is going to be really good at. The thing it doesn't mention is defense ... the one thing we'll be sorely lacking if we give up Wiggins and bring in Love to pair with Irving and Waiters. But you don't seem to want to care about that. Let's just insult everyone who doesn't work themselves up into a frenzy about the offensive possibilities.
The board was ruined awhile ago. I have had long time posters pm me as to why it was ruined. I was gone at the time.
It's because of so many of you who can't stand to hear alternative opinions and try to control how the conversations go. I made post after post after post about the Cavs and our new offense. You guys ignored them. You start crap and then get mad when I defend myself.
I know I have. I am sorry. However, some of these guys who were talking smack did not even reply to the several posts I made--including articles w/videos. Then, I get BS like "pot meet kettle."
I try and talk BB, but they don't respond. I will NOT let anyone bully me. Sorry Excel. I actually think you have a good BB mind and I was hoping you would have responded to some of those points..........but......it just seems that this board is more about popularity and cliques than it is about pure discussion.
Now, before PDR--or anyone else--posts another one of my isolated comments to tell me that I don't talk BB, I am telling you all that I will post ALL of my BB comments one right after another after another after another after another.............and we'll see how many times you guys responded.
We just signed the best isolation player in the game, and perhaps of all time -- And you still think Blatt is going to run a Princeton offense, which takes away the ISO opportunities?
Again, either you have no idea what you're talking about, or Blatt was the worst hire in the history of basketball.
Just forget him. He's a waste of space, but if we engage him, he only takes up more space. It is kind of funny, though.
From Blatt's Grantland interview:
Quote: You’re known as a Princeton offense guy, but that’s only one end of the floor, and everyone I’ve talked to says it’s unfair to pigeonhole you with the Princeton stuff — that you’ve played very different styles depending on what players you have. You pressed for an entire season when you had Jeremy Pargo. Forget the Princeton offense. What are your defensive principles?
My teams have always been multifaceted and multitasking on defense — a lot of different looks, different kinds of presses, different matchups, matchup zones, trapping schemes. I don’t know that that’s gonna change all that much. Defense is the side of the floor where you adapt less and teach more.
Did you press for just that one season? Or is it something in your toolbox all the time?
It’s in the toolbox. I haven’t always used it. Sometimes we didn’t have the personnel for it. That particular year we had a tremendous lineup of guys that were athletic, and had length, and speed, and great anticipation. We pressed 40 minutes a game for the whole season.
The NBA is a pick-and-roll league. More defenses like to drop back against that play, but there are still a few that attack it high on the floor. Which style do you prefer for this team?
We’ll see. There are two schools of thought in coaching, and neither one is more right than the other. There are coaches that have their system, and they are gonna use that regardless of what the team makeup is. And there are coaches that are adaptive, and take their roster, and play according to their skill set.
I’m more from the adaptive school, with a few principles that are consistent throughout my career. But we have to see what the team looks like before I can tell you exactly how we’re gonna play.
You won’t play the full Princeton offense in Cleveland, right?
In the full Princeton, there are no plays. Well, there are plays, but there are not called plays. According to the movement of the ball, and the movement of the center, you’re gonna get into certain sets that you read according to how the defense plays you.
That’s the part of the Princeton offense you can see in my teams — the reading and the multi-option possibilities off of any play. The Princeton offense is something that takes a long time to develop. It requires a particular kind of player, and more than anything else, it requires the giving up on the part of all the players of almost everything they know.
But elements of the Princeton offense, in my mind — they are the right way to play.
There's the Princeton Offense. Like I said in my original post, before Vers acted like a child -- Blatt will implement some of the very basic concepts -- Ball movement, movement without the ball -- But at the end of the day, it's a pick and roll league, and we have the best ISO player to (arguably) ever play the game. A true Princeton Offense is simply not an option.
Look, we all know they aren't going to run a true Princeton offense. I have tried to point that out numerous times. But, we are not running a flex offense, we are not running UCLA, we are not running a Triangle offense.
We are running an offense that will inherit some things from the Princeton offense and the Motion offense. If you would have taken the time to read the articles, you might have known I was already saying that.
I personally think that this is a great offense for LeBron. He is one of the best passers in NBA history. His height is ideal if we put him at the bumper. He can make 13 cuts, get the ball and be a triple threat. We need guys who can hit the 3 and spread the floor. That is a given. It is not debatable.
Putting LeBron and Love in that offense is almost too good to be true. I am not asking you to believe it................but, when it happens.......you will love it. Take it to the bank.
I wish people would stop using buzz words like "Princeton offense"
Blatt implements some of the philosophies from that offense but we won't be running a Princeton offense just because Blatt played there.
With the pure athleticism and amount of rim protectors in the NBA, the "Princeton offense" has no chance of success.
Like someone said earlier, this offense will still be focused around the pick and roll. Creating iso opportunities for LeBron.
It's why we're surrounding him with shooters -- Kyrie, Miller, rumored to be Allen. And it's why Love, as a 4 who can stretch the defense, is a great fit offensively.
This "Princeton offense" is something fans have had pounded into our head because of his background but it's not the reality
Your response :
Quote: Wow! Having a discussion on this board is almost impossible.
Okay..........you are a god. You know more than the rest of us.
Freaking unbelievable how stupid so many of you "smart" guys are.
Yes, acted like a child -- And now, here we are two days later and you've realize you're wrong about the Princeton offense so you're saying things like "We all know we won't run a true Princeton offense" --- Which is exactly what I said in the first place that led to this tantrum of yours.
You've officially made a fool out of yourself, so if I can borrow a phrase from you -- Get bent.
I wish people would stop using buzz words like "Princeton offense"
Blatt implements some of the philosophies from that offense but we won't be running a Princeton offense just because Blatt played there.
I made it perfectly clear in many of my posts that Blatt would implement parts of the Princeton offense. You were simply looking to show your brilliance as a BB guy.
Dude, you come across as really believing that most people value your moral opinions. I think you come across as someone w/a giant self esteem issue who needs to lecture others about their character. Seek help.
Now.................aren't we all happy? We aren't discussing floor spacing, 3 pt. shooting, motion, etc...............we are back to making it a personality issue.
No, that isn't talking basketball, it is talking PDR. LOL
