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Suspend belief to consider the following scenario...
Let's say that in the third round of the 2010 draft, we take Aaron Hernandez instead of Shaun Lauvao. And this alteration somehow sets off a chain of events that finds us in Super Bowl XVLII, where we win at the last second on a leaping Hernandez catch in the endzone.
And then come June, our reality happens...he gets charged with multiple murders.
Does this diminish anything for you? If so, why? If not, why not?
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Not really. It would be a shame and it would always be something that was associated with that win.. so, for example, they would not likely show that highlight among other great super bowl moments and that would be a shame...
It would affect me more if a couple years later it was determined that the star players were on PEDs or that the coach was video taping the other teams practices... or something that in some way affected the actual game.
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it does but only a little.
I have always tried to seperate the player from the person...knowing that those two personas are often markedly different.
However with constant media coverage ( social and otherwise), those line continue to get more and more blurred and seperation problematic.
In this circumstance I would be sorry and disappointed in the actions of the person, but unless those actions are somehow connected to the performance on the field ( ie PED;s) it would not diminsh my thoughts of Hernandez the player
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you think by June that any Browns' fan would be coherent enough to notice the news?
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It's kind of like Josh Gordon. You read the news, and cuss about the moron on your team that is so into his own needs, he just screwed the team up. Then you move on and find someone to replace him.
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It's kind of like Josh Gordon. You read the news, and cuss about the moron on your team that is so into his own needs, he just screwed the team up. Then you move on and find someone to replace him.
Josh Gordon (Possibly) getting suspended for a year is not at all like murdering a few people. Like it's not even in the same ball park, in fact, it's not even the same sport.
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It's kind of like Josh Gordon. You read the news, and cuss about the moron on your team that is so into his own needs, he just screwed the team up. Then you move on and find someone to replace him.
Josh Gordon (Possibly) getting suspended for a year is not at all like murdering a few people. Like it's not even in the same ball park, in fact, it's not even the same sport.
The point isn't that what they did is the same.. the point is to answer the question, could a players off-field behavior impact your feelings toward a championship you won when they were an integral part.
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I don't think he is comparing the two acts but saying his response and how it affects him and his rooting for the Browns is the same.
Could be wrong, just how I interpreted it.
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It's kind of like Josh Gordon. You read the news, and cuss about the moron on your team that is so into his own needs, he just screwed the team up. Then you move on and find someone to replace him.
Josh Gordon (Possibly) getting suspended for a year is not at all like murdering a few people. Like it's not even in the same ball park, in fact, it's not even the same sport.
It's exactly the same with the exception of the crime. I am not going to disown the team or even a fictional championship because of the acts of one player. That one player did not win the games or The Game. It's a team effort. In my opinion, that one player broke faith with the team and deserves what he gets. That does not diminish the team's accomplishments.
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I'd root for Hitler if he wins us a Super Bowl.
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I concur with what DC said in his first post. All of it.
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I have a Stealer friend who was very die hard, however she quit being a Stealer fan because of Big Ben's extra curricular activities. It's kinda hard to root for someone or something once your vaules don't match the values of what you are rooting for.
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It would not diminish or tarnish the SB win. Not for me at least.
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Maurice Clarett scored the game winning touchdown against Miami in Ohio State's National Championship win. Later it came out that he was illegally taking benefits and was an all-around lousy person ... but it didn't really diminish the NC win for me.
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Lurker, yeah, for me it would be different if a piece of crap like that was still on my team. It would be hard to root for them on Sundays watching your QB who makes your stomach sick. It's not in the manner Weeden made my stomach sick. I still rooted for him. 
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No. Being in the Superbowl means that we had one helluva season, and it takes much more than one player to get you to that point. It means that we have a championship TEAM.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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Suspend belief to consider the following scenario...
Let's say that in the third round of the 2010 draft, we take Aaron Hernandez instead of Shaun Lauvao. And this alteration somehow sets off a chain of events that finds us in Super Bowl XVLII, where we win at the last second on a leaping Hernandez catch in the endzone.
And then come June, our reality happens...he gets charged with multiple murders.
Does this diminish anything for you? If so, why? If not, why not?
Did he kill Woody Allen and Jerry Sandusky?
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Nope. I would still be celebrating probably. Horrible situation. Just wanted to mention it again here, a question I posed before: What does an individual have to do to get banned for life from a pro sport? Rose's gambling seems lightweight compared to some repeat offenders and more serious crimes, some felonies like Hernandez. Maybe it shouldn't bother me as much as it does.  
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Nope. I would still be celebrating probably. Horrible situation.
Just wanted to mention it again here, a question I posed before: What does an individual have to do to get banned for life from a pro sport? Rose's gambling seems lightweight compared to some repeat offenders and more serious crimes, some felonies like Hernandez. Maybe it shouldn't bother me as much as it does.
Yeah, Rose broke some MLB rules and was banned for life, Vick committed federal felonies, animal atrocities, did some time and re-entered the league.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Suspend belief to consider the following scenario...
Let's say that in the third round of the 2010 draft, we take Aaron Hernandez instead of Shaun Lauvao. And this alteration somehow sets off a chain of events that finds us in Super Bowl XVLII, where we win at the last second on a leaping Hernandez catch in the endzone.
And then come June, our reality happens...he gets charged with multiple murders.
Does this diminish anything for you? If so, why? If not, why not?
Not one bit. Hernandez is only one person on the team. The team as a whole won the game. Besides his murder victim's, and the other team in this pretend SB, Hernandez would be the loser, and the Browns would still be the SB winners.
Go Browns!
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Nope. I would still be celebrating probably. Horrible situation.
Just wanted to mention it again here, a question I posed before: What does an individual have to do to get banned for life from a pro sport? Rose's gambling seems lightweight compared to some repeat offenders and more serious crimes, some felonies like Hernandez. Maybe it shouldn't bother me as much as it does.
Yeah, Rose broke some MLB rules and was banned for life, Vick committed federal felonies, animal atrocities, did some time and re-entered the league.
I'm pretty sure Rose broke the only MLB rule/policy that carried a lifetime ban at the time.
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Nope. I would still be celebrating probably. Horrible situation.
Just wanted to mention it again here, a question I posed before: What does an individual have to do to get banned for life from a pro sport? Rose's gambling seems lightweight compared to some repeat offenders and more serious crimes, some felonies like Hernandez. Maybe it shouldn't bother me as much as it does.
Yeah, Rose broke some MLB rules and was banned for life, Vick committed federal felonies, animal atrocities, did some time and re-entered the league.
He didn't just re-enter the league, he had the league paving the way for him to return even as he went off to prison. The P.R. campaign fired up around that same time, and the media began to float the "what if" scenarios.to get people used to the idea of him coming back, so by the time he got out, it was a foregone conclusion in everyone's mind that he was not just coming back, but was going to be welcomed back.
Why?
Simple - 'The Michael Vick Experience' was a money machine for the NFL.
Browns is the Browns
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