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The FO refused to get chud help on offense and we lost because of it. Well if I recollect they asked for a FB and didn't get him...I didn't like it at all but I really don't think the failures were from the lack of a FB.
My pet peeve with the FO is that they didn't set the team up for a Short Term result. The staff also was shocked when they were being judged on one season when their thought and actions were all - we are building for the future, there was no Veteran FA acquisitions to lead. maybe we would have finished more games??? We were ahead in like 10 of them going into the 2nd half. So our preparation was pretty decent.
I didn't like it and I think it was a shocker and a reaction from the owner not the plan of Banner and Lombardi to make the staff one n done.
But its over. Being from NY and if you think the Cleveland media covers a lot for the Browns, multiply that by 10 here. So I think I know Pettine at least a little bit. I think he is perfect for us.
Players love him and will go through walls for him. He takes no crap from them and doesn't coddle them. He knows how to push buttons and when to stroke players. He has been brought up to be our HC - and now is his time. I hated the blow up, but I think we will benefit from it and make the knee jerk move by Haslam look like a genius. I love Farmer too and his football background and he has been groomed for his job. As long as neither one makes a power move over the other we should be good for a long time.
Many feel the season is lost cause of our WR position. Yet when I look at this core even with Gordon absent. Its still the best WR core we've ever had. Yeah if they drop like flies on the IR it gets dummy down but who knows what youngsters are going to step up? And quite frankly nobody won a Championship built on their WRs. NOBODY! but it aint that bad.
My only miss givings on this season is yet again we will be running a NEW O and a NEW D...yada yada we all know how this goes. The D will struggle a bit slowly coming along as we know it takes less time to gel. The oh we will be wowed from the prospects of it during preseason then be amazed at how stagnant it is.
The saving grace. We really got some great talent on the D, Gipson, Whitner, Haden, Gilbert & Skrine. Mingo, Sheard, Kruger, Dansby & rookie or Robertson, Then the DL could be one of the best in the league, Texans and Lions are right up there with some super stars. But as a unit we are so so strong. On the O we got a QB...point blank we got a QB! ready to play and win and a prospect that can be amazing if he reaches his potential. We will have Hoyer as a starter but we will have a Manziel package as well.
But most important is we will have a running game...since 99 we haven't been able to. But Shanahan is a master of the horizontal stretch actually its the entire premise of the Outside Zone Blocking Scheme. OL loves to run block...they love to ATTACK and we got a good OL! We got the vertical stretch. But we know we will have to suffer with year one of a NEW offense. It might look OK during the season but imagine the same O with the nucleus of players still intact getting into YEAR 3!
As always I'm optimistic, I am a little more real than most give me credit for. I do think we got our team of Destiny, what does that mean. We got our team to make all these young fans Brown fanatics not cause its their birth right or curse depends who you speak to. But THEIR TEAM to love forever and pass on down to their children.
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I agree, its the first time in a long long time I feel positive about our Browns. They are building it right in Berea.
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I will be pleasantly surprised if the 2014 Browns have a W-L record much different than the past few years (since 2007).
A franchise that is constantly in a state of change...changing their coaching staff and/or management every year or two...rarely produces a winning team.
Once "ownership" proves that they have learned "that lesson"...then maybe Browns fans can expect to see progress.
This is just Pettine's first season as HC and once again the Browns are starting over with nearly everything new again...new management, new coaching staff, new playbooks on offense and defense.
Hopefully ownership is now satisfied and will allow management and the coaching staff the time needed to produce a Super Bowl caliber team.
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I don't really know if it will be different this year. I pray that it will. We are long overdue for another decent season, but this IS the Browns, a sadsack NFL team if there ever was one.
I would be so happy if we had a winning record this year, but I have a wait and see approach to that. Would I bet a nice chunk of change on us being 9 & 7, or even 10 & 6? No, but one can always hope.
It actually makes me feel better if I think we will do good this coming season. Then the season starts and.................................................
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I will be pleasantly surprised if the 2014 Browns have a W-L record much different than the past few years (since 2007).
A franchise that is constantly in a state of change...changing their coaching staff and/or management every year or two...rarely produces a winning team.
Once "ownership" proves that they have learned "that lesson"...then maybe Browns fans can expect to see progress.
This is just Pettine's first season as HC and once again the Browns are starting over with nearly everything new again...new management, new coaching staff, new playbooks on offense and defense.
Hopefully ownership is now satisfied and will allow management and the coaching staff the time needed to produce a Super Bowl caliber team.
This may be a first, but I completely agree with that. There's a lot to overcome, and all historical indicators say we're a 4-5 win team. I hope something clicks early and we get a few bounces our way (and that's why we watch the games...it's the Browns after all), but at this point I don't feel the optimism for this season that others here do.
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Yes, this franchise is heading in the right direction. I see the Browns winning 6 or 7 games this season and SB contenders within 3 years. The future so bright I gotta wear shades! 
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Continuity is not a reason to lack the Character to FINISH. I know last season that was our biggest missing ingredient. We didn't have the CHARACTER to finish! We had the knowledge of our Offense and each other to have won well a heck of a lot more games. Maybe the leadership of HOYER out there and from what I saw in JM he is a great field leader to get the most out of his players. That off the bat should have us winning a heck of a lot more games then last season.
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It actually makes me feel better if I think we will do good this coming season. Then the season starts and.................................................
Yah. I know the feeling. That's what prompted me to ask the question in the first place. Two years ago with Weeden & Richardson and a better defense, I thought, "I feel good about this season." Well, two years later, and the season starts ....... 
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I t ALL looks good on paper, but that's on paper. I hope that TC will gel these new people in a hurry. We won't really know anything until WK 4.
The first 3 games will be tough. They are bearable but they will NOT lay down for us. I hope they are looking past us and THINKING they have the game in the bag.
We won't have a clue until we play the games.
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Reasons to be cheerful:
- Weeden? Not starting at QB.
- McGahee? Not starting at RB.
- Chud disappointed me in the end with his seemingly lack of leadership.
- Pettine so far has exceeded my expectations all be it without coaching a game yet.
- Farmer also has exceeded expectations.
- Other than Gordon's suspension, I like the roster moves. Feels like we have built a team.
The only true negative on the team (other than new offensive and defensive schemes) is the WR position. . . . but Greg Little was our #2 WR last year. Davonne Bess for crying out loud, was our slot WR and did NOTHING. . . . . . I get the uncertainty of Gordon - but I'll take Andrew Hawkins and Miles Austin over Little and Bess every day and twice on Sunday. I see people commenting on the speed of the WR's .... Benjamin and Hawkins have speed and are ankle breakers. . . Austin and Burleson? They don't need speed to be productive. Joe Jurevicius was never fast. Anquan Boldin has never been fast. So the rumors of the death of our WR's is somewhat exaggerated IMO.
8 or more wins despite the brutal 3 game opening stretch.
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What I like about our top three WR's, excluding Gordon, is that they all have very good hands and they know how to run routes. What concerns me is whether they can stay healthy throughout the season. That's a big question mark hanging over our heads.
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I've been impressed with the overall demeanor of Pettine and Farmer and it's provided me hope. They both seem to be in sync- both in their overall public tone and thought process to building a team. Only wins will affirm this but I like how they've approached the offseason so far.
Also, this team has some legitimate depth. There is still some star power lacking at certain positions, but overall I like where to roster is headed.
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Indeed! Hope that I didn't have last year, particularly with the FO. These guys seem to have their act together and their (and our) future seems bright...
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Without doubt. Injury concerns are very real. Hands ?? A Browns team with WR's that catch the ball? Wow - I don't think I can envision that!! KJ - Gordon - JJ - aside from those 3, I can't think off too many WR's we have had that when the ball was thrown their way they caught the ball virtually every time.
Agree Pettine and Farmer provide 'hope' - and it seems rooted in them being [1] seemingly competent (so far) [2] they are Football people, Football smart, Team smart/Team aware. [3] They (seem to)want to be accountable/want the players to be accountable.
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What I like about our top three WR's, excluding Gordon, is that they all have very good hands and they know how to run routes. What concerns me is whether they can stay healthy throughout the season. That's a big question mark hanging over our heads.
I'm not holding my breath. We are likely going to have the worst group of WR's in the entire league when the season starts. The only glimmer of hope for this offense is the running game being somewhat capable and Jordan Cameron (hopefully) getting better.
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If they pan some gold with a few of these guys, coach up some that are here, and have a better game plan that moves sticks and scores more points, we might have in Farmer the unsung hero of this season. I like the attitude adjustment so far. Do your job or it is someone else's: It is interesting to me that they are set on this approach. The people who are killing us should not see the field all season. I think this alone clearly improves our chances for wins. 
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I like the attitude adjustment so far. Do your job or it is someone else's: It is interesting to me that they are set on this approach. The people who are killing us should not see the field all season. I think this alone clearly improves our chances for wins.
I agree. It looks like we have "no excuses" leadership. Accountability is huge when building a "team".
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No offense, but I have no idea where you guys are getting this from. Seriously. Other than you want to believe it. Heck, a lot of you complained about last year's FO when they wanted the coaching staff to hold guys like Weeden and Little accountable.
This logic is not adding up. It's perception, not reality.
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I thought I got it all along but a light just came on for me. It's never been about the different FO's with you, it's always been about the pretense and hypocrisy of the statements. You've said it a dozen times but it just clicked with me.
You're right, we, yes, I include myself, held the last FO to one standard and this one to another. We give this FO accolades for virtues of which we demeaned the last for having.
Discussions would be much better and more enlightening were this not going on.
Plus we could actually learn something from one FO to the next if not for making rash judgements one way or the other.
Instead, each new regime we do the same thing using a different standard.
That's the shortest essay I ever wrote and still got an A+ on.
I did get an A+ didn't I?
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... held the last FO to one standard and this one to another. We give this FO accolades for virtues of which we demeaned the last for having.
Personally, I'm just not seeing this. Perhaps if you gave a specific example(s)...
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I thought I got it all along but a light just came on for me. It's never been about the different FO's with you, it's always been about the pretense and hypocrisy of the statements. You've said it a dozen times but it just clicked with me.
You're right, we, yes, I include myself, held the last FO to one standard and this one to another. We give this FO accolades for virtues of which we demeaned the last for having.
Discussions would be much better and more enlightening were this not going on.
Plus we could actually learn something from one FO to the next if not for making rash judgements one way or the other.
Instead, each new regime we do the same thing using a different standard.
That's the shortest essay I ever wrote and still got an A+ on.
I did get an A+ didn't I?
No offense dude, but it's hard to imagine it took this long to realize that. I say that because I think you're a smart guy. The hypocrisy with the last, really... three regimes has been mind boggling. I can't be bothered to get into these long winded, absolutely stupid pee contests with these posters though so I just avoid it.
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No offense, but I have no idea where you guys are getting this from. Seriously. Other than you want to believe it. Heck, a lot of you complained about last year's FO when they wanted the coaching staff to hold guys like Weeden and Little accountable.
This logic is not adding up. It's perception, not reality.
maybe you choose not to see it. maybe you just like disagreeing with people?
What makes me think the last regime didn't hold people accountable and that Pettine will?? That's easy.
- Chud was a players coach - publicly never gave me the impression that he was demanding and exacting with regards to his expectations of the players. I have no idea how and what he did behind closed doors, but I can't judge him on that. I judge him on the performance of the team on the field and Chud's media presence. As much as Chud was nice guy - the guy was less passionate and talked in more platitudes than any coach in the League. At least with Belichick you know he's smart and even though he talks monotone he'll give you a little bit of insight to a plan or philosophy. (heard him on NFL radio yesterday and enjoyed what he had to say). As for the performance on the field ... Chud lost the team and effort was allowed to drop. I think most would agree to various extent on that.
- Examples - Little and MacGhee who were both putrid, had a spot in the line up every week and never in doubt. Could the FO be implicated in that due to a lack of talent to challenge? Sure - but Chud could have set an example early if he chose to.
- Pettine hasn't coach a down of football so the proof isn't available yet. But everything he says and what he's done so far indicates he wants accountability. It's not like a one liner that he mentioned once, from what is available to me to judge him on, it seems apparent that accountability and high effort is a coaching philosophy for Pettine. . . . and there might be the nub of it all. I have no idea what Banner, Lombardi and Chud's team or coaching philosophy was. Not a single clue. Farmer and Pettine seem to want toughness, hard nosed effort and accountability.
Has the new regime benefitted enormously from the talent and draft picks accumulated by the previous regime. Yes, yes, yes. It's July - so the proof of anything is months away ... but based on my opinion - Do I think the last regime would have used the talent and picks and offseason to build a team like we have today? Hell No ! I'll take the new regime every day and twice on Sunday thanks. . . . and that opinion and preference might be swayed by performances on Sunday and by the team. But right now, dealing with what's available to base an opinion on, that is my opinion in a nut shell.
I don't see a different standard or prejudice here. And its only my opinion, but its not inconsistent.
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Personally, I'm just not seeing this. Perhaps if you gave a specific example(s)...
I can only assume you're trying to be funny because Vers has given so many examples we should all be at least amused with ourselves. Perhaps a bit red-faced.
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Personally, I'm just not seeing this. Perhaps if you gave a specific example(s)...
I can only assume you're trying to be funny because Vers has given so many examples we should all be at least amused with ourselves. Perhaps a bit red-faced.
Not at all. Can you point out to me an example of where "we" (i.e the majority) are holding the FO to a different standard than the previous? Sure, you may find the odd post/poster to fit your point, but I believe it is an overgeneralization to imply that it is the viewpoint of the majority...
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Vers, I've been reading so many negative posts made by you lately... are you sure you don't want to root for Buffalo? just sayin'... 
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I generally do root for Buffalo but not this year!!!!!!!!!
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After our team, sure! Small market, Lake Erie team, what's not to like?
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After our team, sure! Small market, Lake Erie team, what's not to like?
But not this year for sure! We have their first round pick. Down w/ EJ!
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I get it from personal experience and what I have seen following them for about 50 years. My call on my judgment. I have wanted to believe every season. It is what fans do. Nothing more and nothing less. Tired of this dismissive attitude. I have seen great players and solid coaching, and know lousy to boot. It is based as much as possible and as best I can on those things. Not yours to judge. Agree or not. Do more than criticize. "Critics are legless men who would teach running." 
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I get it from personal experience and what I have seen following them for about 50 years. My call on my judgment. I have wanted to believe every season. It is what fans do. Nothing more and nothing less. Tired of this dismissive attitude. I have seen great players and solid coaching, and know lousy to boot. It is based as much as possible and as best I can on those things. Not yours to judge. Agree or not. Do more than criticize. "Critics are legless men who would teach running."
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Ill believe it'll be different the moment the clocks hit zero and we are rasing the *cough Paul Brown cough* Trophy...
Until then I will try to enjoy the ride, never assuming each climb doesn't have a drop off..
Even 07 felt a little fake along the way, and then 08 was still a punch in the gut...
Just win. Please..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Every time someone asks me how many games the Browns will win this year, I always fall back on Pete Puma's response when Bugs Bunny asks how many lumps (of sugar) he wants (in his tea). You know, before he gives up on tea, because it gives him a headache, and switches to coffee.
My reply as to how many games I think my Browns will win is: "Oh, two or three."
Then during the season we get a whole lot of lumps.
Is it going to be different this year?
With news of Gordon's suspension the day after Manziel's drafting, I thought, just like always: the Browns new QB scrambling to find a receiver.
Any chance of playoffs?? I've been hearing we have more talent, but so what, if it doesn't transfer into W's??
Because of a poor receiving corps (cobbled together in an emergency, not grown together into a QB's organic supporting cast), uncertain RB situation, maybe improved defense and O-line (??), what do you think??
Two or three wins?? More??
To answer your original question of it being different this year, no. It will be no different. The team did not magically improve by leaps and bounds over last season. There may be slight improvement overall, but not enough to be a playoff team. This is not a playoff team. As I say every year, anybody who thinks the Browns are going to the playoffs this season is setting themselves up for disappointment and completely unrealistic expectations.
The Ravens and Bungals are both better and that's only our division. Teams like the Patriots, Broncos, Colts, and Chiefs are all better. There are 6 playoff spots and those are 6 teams that area all better than the Browns. Things would have to fall into place perfectly for a team like the Browns to make the playoffs at this point. Can we please stop talking about this team like it's a playoff contender every year? Until they prove SOMETHING, they should never be mentioned as a playoff contender. The Browns are a perennial bottom feeder, unfortunately, and nothing that has happened between the end of last season and now has made me think this season will be any different.
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Only the name remains the same.
Do we have a team of destiny?
Do we have a Long Term HC - is Pettine the one?
Do we have a Franchise QB and very solid Back up? Even if their roles are reversed in 2014?
Do we have a Name that will be revered 5-7 years from now in Farmer as our GM...FINALLY!
Wolf's simple 101 definition of a Championship team.
You have to have 2 Superstars. The HC and the QB...we have to find out for sure but this is the closest we've come to having it come twue, yes its twue...lol
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