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Nice to read the positive stuff about Miles Austin. Hopefully, he can stay healthy. :fingers crossed:

Terrence West too.


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I should also add the NFL Network is reporting that Mingo had a great practice according to Pettine. Sheard as well.


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Nice... thanks for posting.....

Sounds like Billy might be ok with his hammy great news!

I am excited that Brown's football is back!

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Doesn't bother me either. Big guys like that don't need to be running sprints anyway. In games they aren't running more than 10 yards at a time.




Good thing we're not in the NFC East.

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Terrance West turns heads on Day One of training camp


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On the first day of Cleveland Browns open training camp, one player kept hearing his name chanted in roaring ovations from the loud and proud Browns faithful.

Unpredictably, it happened to be rookie running back Terrance West.

In a one-on-one passing drill going against linebackers, West put on a clinic, so much so, that coach Mike Pettine wondered for a second whether if that was actually his running back.

“I was a little shocked with Terrance today,” Pettine said, pleasantly surprised. “I had to double check my roster card to make sure I was looking at the right number. He did some nice things in the one-on-one period. That’s always a bonus when you have a running back that’s not just one-dimensional.”

West’s first razzle-dazzle play was against linebacker Craig Robertson. The Towson product put on a shimmy shake with his feet, essentially crossing up Robertson like a point guard would in basketball. The juke move freed up West, who hauled in the catch from Johnny Manziel and moved his burly frame up the field.

Minutes later West beat another linebacker in deep coverage, only this time the reception was of the one-handed variety – and it went for a tippy-toe touchdown in the corner of the end zone.

There was a mini-alarm Wednesday, when West was placed on the non-injury football list – usually meaning a player failed the conditioning test. West and Pettine both said there was a misunderstanding, and that the running back “crushed” the re-test.

While Pettine liked what he saw in West, he also reiterated that fellow running back Ben Tate is much more of an advanced pass blocker than the rookie. Chris Ogbonnaya also did some nice things today at the running back position.

West was content with his first day of training camp open to the public. Including pass blocking, he says that he’s learning to read defensive formations and putting in extra study hours with his iPad.

“No one has a spot right now on this roster,” said West. “That’s why it’s called camp. You come out here and earn a spot. I can come out here, work hard, and make it hard for the coaches to see who will start on Sunday.

Other notes and quotes

Team owner Jimmy Haslam hit the nail on the head in his observation of Pettine on Saturday.“I think he’s smart like we thought,” said Haslam. “He’s tough. He’s articulate. I don’t think he gets rattled easily. He’s tough. I think the players relate well to him, and I think we have a good environment here. We’re really excited about Mike. He’s a quality guy.”

A group of fans we interacted with coined a nickname for the Browns’ head coach: Stone Cold Mike Pettine. It’s not that he looks a little like the wrestler Stone Cold Steve Austin. It’s the business-like demeanor on his face. It’s his honesty in press conferences. It’s the actual belief that he’s the right man to turn the Browns into perennial winners.

“We have a lot of work to do,” said Pettine, about the message he sent his players in the team meeting. “We’re building a foundation. We don’t want it to be a foundation that we can look in a practice or two, or a preseason game or two. We want to build it the right way, and build it so we can have long term, sustained success.”

Pettine confirmed defensive lineman Billy Winn is out with a hamstring injury. The seriousness is not yet known. Also guard John Greco was limited. Joel Bitonio and Garrett Gilkey saw most of the first team reps in his place.

Quarterback Snapshot

On Saturday at quarterback, The Browns are still in what Pettine called, “day one of installation.” The play calls during camp are straight out of chapter one of the iPad.

Which means both Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel did some things to like and some things to not. There was no clear cut winner on day one.

“I’m not out there trying to make spectacular plays, magical plays, because that’s not what you do in a game,” said Hoyer. “I try and treat every practice like it’s a game. Going against our defense you never know what you ‘re going to get and you just try to wait it out and take what they give you.”

Hoyer’s chemistry with tight end Jordan Cameron is one thing Browns fans should gloat about. The two are on the same page on all three kinds of routes – short, intermediate and deep. Hoyer lobbed a perfectly thrown ball to Cameron for a 30-yard touchdown in a one-on-one drill.

Two things stood out Saturday about Manziel. Let’s start with where he needs to improve first. During an 11-on-11 drill, Manziel broke the huddle and was still talking with wide receiver Anthony Armstrong. There was a miscommunication on the call, and Armstrong was forced to call timeout. This is expected from a rookie. Manziel knows communication in the huddle must improve.

It’s Manziel’s legs, and knowing when to use them, that already seem advanced. The moment he cuts hard on a bootleg, linebackers become a little unsure of where they need to be. Several of Manziel’s positive plays from Saturday happened outside of the pocket, without him actually scrambling.

“For me, every rep, every little special teams drill that we do, going over to the side working with the quarterbacks, every little thing I have to take extremely serious and really pay attention,” said Manziel. “Whether I’m in or (Browns QBs) Brian’s (Hoyer) in or Tyler (Thigpen) or Connor (Shaw), whenever someone else is in I have to take a mental rep and continue to not just look at my plays on a scripted sheet, but look at the entirety of it and see what I could potentially get when we’re in the season. Taking mental reps, what I would do here, looking at the entire defense and trying to pick up even when I’m not in is something that I think I could take advantage of.”

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Barkevious Mingo growing in all aspects of football
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During a closed OTA practice session in the spring, Barkevious Mingo dropped five interceptions in one practice. Five.

Defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil suggested his outside linebacker put in some extra work on the jug machines. Mingo, who said he likes how relatable his young coaches are, obliged.

On Saturday, Mingo picked off a pass. He made the right read and jumped the route.
“A lot of the guys would’ve hound me if I would’ve dropped it,” said Mingo, with a wide smile.

The improvement in guarding tight ends and even wide receivers must continue for Mingo. Coach Mike Pettine says his role in this defense is not exactly an interchangeable one.

“Two years ago he was a defensive end who had his hand down all the time,” Pettine said. “His world was completely different for what we are asking from him now. He’s out in space. Much more involved in coverage. We’ll still take advantage of his pass rush ability. As far as a true radical position change, it’s right up there.”

Mingo’s unique frame has much to do with his hybrid role in the Browns defense. It was confirmed that the LSU alum is the most he’s ever weight. Even with the increase in his size, Pettine was floored by how well Mingo ran in Friday’s conditioning test. The coach joked his linebacker could’ve passed the test running with the defensive backs; his endurance and speed were that impressive.

Mingo came in like hurricane in 2013, posting sacks in his first three games. His production and reps faded as the season wore on. His rookie experience, both the ups and downs, might be essential to how much growth Mingo shows in 2014.

“Last year I learned a lot of lessons, stuff that you can’t draw on the board,” said Mingo. “I feel like I’ve been using that this year. It’ll help me be a better player in addition to the playbook.

“[I learned] just how to play the game of football. A lot of guys say it. I really can’t explain it, other than that. You really learn a lot when you go through it.”

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Browns’ offense banking on Miles Austin and Jordan Cameron
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Media members, fans and even coaches had no idea what to expect from wide receiver Miles Austin on Saturday.

The longtime Dallas Cowboy was brought in on May 16th, but never fully participated in minicamp. Coach Mike Pettine wanted to ensure the already proven Austin was healthy for training camp.

Boy, did the investment in Austin’s credibility pay dividends on Saturday. Behind Josh Gordon, the rejuvenated pass catcher looked like the Browns’ most reliable target on the outside.

“I caught a couple balls but I feel like there’s more we can do,” said Austin, still humble for a 30-year-old. “We still haven’t thrown the pads yet. There’s still a long way to go. But anytime you get a couple throws your way and you can hold onto them, it’s a good feeling.”

“Miles Austin especially jumped out today,” said Pettine. “I thought he did a real good job of working himself back into football shape. We held him out in the spring. He did a great job over the break of coming in and he banged out the running test. He really showed up today and made some nice catches.”

They are at different stages in their careers, but just like Miles Austin, Jordan Cameron knows he still has plenty to prove in the NFL.

Opponents should know who the Pro Bowler Cameron is this season. The Browns defense must keep tabs on Cameron all throughout practice. Reliable and swift, the well-built 6-foot-5 Cameron caught virtually everything thrown his way Saturday. He’s faster in space than almost every linebacker, too.

Strategizing a game plan to stop Cameron will be necessary in 2014, or he will gash defenses. And Cameron’s expectations for himself are on the rise. The 25 year old recognizes he’ll be more of a fixture of the Browns offense.

That doesn’t alter his mindset at all, though. Cameron made his trust in the coaching staff apparent on Saturday.

“With Kyle Shanahan’s creative mind and his innovative ideas, he’ll find ways to get me open and keep pressure off of me,” said Cameron.

Today was day one of installment of the playbook (read more about that here in our notes and quotes). Cameron saw no action at wide receiver on Saturday, but that doesn’t mean it’s not coming down the road.

Cameron, now in his fourth season with the Browns, could tell this training camp will be much different from those in the past.

“The energy and tempo were a lot higher,” said Cameron. “Obviously the excitement of where Cleveland is going and the direction we’re going in all areas in all sports. People are fired up in the stands. You can tell there is a certain buzz going around. It’s pretty contagious.”

If Cameron keeps up his play, that Cleveland buzz he speaks of isn’t going anywhere.

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Thanks. Good article.

A few comments:

I thought the TE Dray, not sure of his first name, looked good. He runs easy and looked to have good hands.

I liked the FB Agnew. Low center of gravity and very square base when blocking.

Hoyer gets rid of the ball just a half-beat quicker than Manziel and both get rid of it faster than the Shaw and Thigpin.

Manziel probably needs to work on his drops. I would like to see him lengthen his stride just a bit so he can cover more ground in a shorter period of time.

Manziel always takes a knee. I think the author might have been insinuating his partying has caused him to be out of shape, but if you watched him in college, that is just what he does during down times.

I wasn't thrilled as many of you were that we signed that McQuinston guy, but I was watching his technique when he was the 2s or 3s, and the guy looks to have very good fundamentals.

I still think Mingo is going to be a beast. I contend that he took a beating last year from many fans because of who drafted him. He had his issues, but he also did many good things. I look for him to be a very valuable player for us for years and years.

West is huge in terms of his build. Has a bit of showmanship to him, as well. I would like to see him hustle a bit more in the drills. Hey man, you are a rookie.

Any surprise that Tate fumbled? I almost wish we would not have signed him. I kinda would like to have rolled w/West, Crowell, Baker, and Lewis.

Skrine has great speed. Nice idea of blitzing him from the slot.

Overall tempo was good, but not quite as fast as it was in the OTA clip I saw earlier. Fast paced practices are huge. Let's amp it up a bit, coach.

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I forgot to mention Miles Austin. That was good news.

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“For me, every rep, every little special teams drill that we do, going over to the side working with the quarterbacks, every little thing I have to take extremely serious and really pay attention,” said Manziel. “Whether I’m in or (Browns QBs) Brian’s (Hoyer) in or Tyler (Thigpen) or Connor (Shaw), whenever someone else is in I have to take a mental rep and continue to not just look at my plays on a scripted sheet, but look at the entirety of it and see what I could potentially get when we’re in the season. Taking mental reps, what I would do here, looking at the entire defense and trying to pick up even when I’m not in is something that I think I could take advantage of.”





Reporter: What did you learn from standing on the sidelines. Weeden: Don't get hurt.


Note to those who cry out, "What can a QB learn from holding a clipboard on the sidelines?! The rookie just answered your question.

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Hmmmmm..................great connection. You are one smart guy.

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Manziel always takes a knee. I think the author might have been insinuating his partying has caused him to be out of shape, but if you watched him in college, that is just what he does during down times.




I got to say that while I didn't think it was from out of shape I thought it was from trying to know the play he was going to run. but if he did it in college I guess im wrong?


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I don't know if you are wrong, but I have just seen him in that pose time after time after time. It's what he does.

Now, maybe he was tired or maybe he was doing what you suggested. I don't know. I just know that he often takes one knee.

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I don't know if you are wrong, but I have just seen him in that pose time after time after time. It's what he does.

Now, maybe he was tired or maybe he was doing what you suggested. I don't know. I just know that he often takes one knee.




you know what I worry about with him. it isn't that he is a drunkin coke head so much. its he never had a playbook. is that normal in collage football?


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Strategizing a game plan to stop Cameron will be necessary in 2014, or he will gash defenses. And Cameron’s expectations for himself are on the rise. The 25 year old recognizes he’ll be more of a fixture of the Browns offense...

...“With Kyle Shanahan’s creative mind and his innovative ideas, he’ll find ways to get me open and keep pressure off of me,” said Cameron.




I think he knows too that Hoyer will find him. In those two games Hoyer started and finished Cameron had 16 REC for 157 YDS and 4 TDs.* When Hoyer got injured it went down from there. In the Buffalo game he had 3 REC for 36 YDS and 0 TDs. Including that game and then the next 10 he had 3 more TDs* Hoyer looks for and finds Cameron.



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I didn't realize there was video up of today's practice. Gonna go watch that now.

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If you followed the draft threads, I kept bringing up how hard it was to evaluate many collegiate qbs because they play in some version of the Spread offense. They typically have one read post snap. The play is called for them and they either throw it to their primary receiver or tuck it and run.

It's almost impossible to tell if the QB can succeed in the NFL under those circumstances. You just don't know if they will ever learn to read coverages after the ball is snapped. Weeden is a classic example of a guy who could not do it.

I will say this about Manziel. I do think he is smarter than most people. I did see him go through some progressions. I think he might be okay in this facet of the game, but I have no proof of that.

I will say that you are correct that him not having a real playbook is a concern. He has a lot to learn, but again, I think he is an intelligent human being even if he doesn't always use common sense.

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All of that is true guys, but remember this..............if we don't get production from our WRs, teams will scheme to take Cameron out of the equation.

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2014 Browns training camp snapshot: Day 1

Lineup updates: Quarterback Brian Hoyer took all of the first-team 11-on-11 reps while rookie Johnny Manziel worked with the second unit. ... Cornerback Buster Skrine remained with the starting defense opposite Pro Bowler Joe Haden. Rookie cornerback Justin Gilbert worked mostly with the second-team defense but received some first-team reps late in practice. ... Outside linebackers Barkevious Mingo, Jabaal Sheard and Paul Kruger rotated with the first-team defense. ... Inside linebacker Craig Robertson toiled with the first-string defense while rookie inside linebacker Christian Kirksey stayed with the second team. ... Rookie Joel Bitonio and Garrett Gilkey practiced at left and right guard, respectively, with the starters. Gilkey was filling in for John Greco, who was out with an undisclosed injury, coach Mike Pettine said. ... All-Pro wide receiver Josh Gordon, who’s facing a suspension, rotated with the starters and backups. ... Running back Ben Tate took most of the first-team reps, but rookie Terrance West got some as well.

Highs and lows: In one-on-one drills featuring running backs and inside linebackers, West made three impressive catches, including a couple one-handed grabs and a touchdown reception against Kirksey. ... In one-on-one drills pitting tight ends against outside linebackers, Barkevious Mingo intercepted a pass undrafted rookie quarterback Connor Shaw intended for tight end Emmanuel Ogbuehi. Mingo also broke up a pass from Hoyer in an 11-on-11 session. ... Cornerback Buster Skrine tipped a pass from Hoyer in an 11-on-11 drill, and free safety Tashaun Gipson intercepted it. ... Rookie cornerback Pierre Desir broke up a pass over the middle from Shaw. ... Wide receiver Nate Burleson dropped at least three passes.

Injuries: The Browns placed the following players on the nonfootball injury list: Greco, nose tackle Phil Taylor, tight end Gary Barnidge, fullback/tight end MarQueis Gray, offensive lineman Nick McDonald. Players on the list are not permitted to practice. ... Defensive end Billy Winn and inside linebacker Tank Carder, both of whom landed on NFI Wednesday, sat out, too. Pettine said Winn has an injured hamstring. ... Greco, Taylor, Gray, Winn and kicker/punter Jake Rogers rode stationary bikes and worked out with athletic trainers on the sidelines. ... Guard Jason Pinkston was not at practice. ... Tight end James Oboh grabbed a knee after falling to the ground and walked off the field with a trainer. He did not return. ... The following players returned from injuries and practiced: Bitonio (sprained ankle), wide receivers Travis Benjamin (torn ACL) and Charles Johnson (torn ACL), running back Dion Lewis (fractured leg), running back Isaiah Crowell (hamstring) and offensive tackle Chris Faulk (knee). ... Strong safety Donte Whitner practiced despite a recent scare. He somersaulted across the finish line in his conditioning test Friday and was helped into the facility by a trainer.

Today’s schedule: Practice from 9:30 a.m.-12:10 p.m.

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And that was a statement I was going to make in my post but didn't. I was going to mention that if Kyle designs a WR route to be near Cameron's then our TE may draw the coverage leaving the WR some space to make a catch.

I'm pretty sure you don't typically want two pass catchers in close proximity to one another but this could be a way to burn them when they focus on our TE.

Does that sound wrong, or do teams already do that which can also be schemed against?


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I will say that you are correct that him not having a real playbook is a concern. He has a lot to learn, but again, I think he is an intelligent human being even if he doesn't always use common sense.




I have met a lot of intelligent people that don't have the common sense to pee down wind instead of getting it all over them lol. but is it the norm with the playbook thing?


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Manziel had a 32 on the wonderlick while Carr and Bridgewater scored 20. I dont think the playbook will be an issue for him. the issue will be creating viewing lanes and its why we will see drop and roll instead of the drop and pop you get from Hoyer. Teams are gonna try to keep him contained in the pocket.

If they are chasing him around, thats when his magic comes to life.

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This article is a little more in depth.

Browns Camp Report: Day 1

EREA, Ohio – A daily review of the hot topics coming out of the Cleveland Browns training camp:

Linebacker Barkevious Mingo was active and noticeable on several plays. On the first, he covered a tight end down the field and intercepted Connor Shaw. The pick led to a wild celebration from Mingo. The reason? He had dropped a few in offseason work – five in one day – and defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil made him do work on the Juggs machine. This one he caught. Mingo later was all over the field in team drills, forcing an interception with the pass rush and on leaping back and knocking down a Brian Hoyer short throw. Mingo received the bulk of the work at right outside linebacker, with Jabaal Sheard and Paul Kruger at left. This coaching staff is very high on Mingo, who admitted he had challenges as a rookie. “I learned a lot of lessons – stuff that you can’t draw on the board,” he said. “I feel like I’m using that this year to help me be a better player.” Said coach Mike Pettine: “You could tell that hopefully the switch has been flipped.” Good enough to to give him the first day's "first star" (think the way they do it in hockey). #reasonforoptimism

Rookie running back Terrance West earns the second star after making two eye-opening catches in passing drills. One was a one-handed snag on a deep throw down the sideline, the other a leaping, over-the-head snag of a high throws. “I had to double-check my roster card to make sure I was looking at the right number,” Pettine said. West practiced with a lot of energy. He spent one day on the non-football injury last week because he didn’t pass his conditioning test, but the next day “crushed” the test, Pettine said. Ben Tate said in the offseason that nobody in the running back room scared him, but he best not sleep on this job, because West has ability. On one run, Tate let Buster Skrine chase him down from behind to poke the ball loose; the crowd cheered the would-have-been turnover. #bearswatching

Safety Donte Whitner was back on the field after cramping up during the conditioning test and having to be helped off after. But the story of Whitner simply completing the test is worth hearing. “We had to run 20 sprints, and when we got to 16 my entire lower body started to cramp up,” he said. “I had to fight through those last four. That last one I jumped over (the finish line). I wanted to make the time but I wanted to give everybody something to talk about. I didn’t hurt myself, but I had to get two IVs, though. My lower body was pretty severely cramped, but other than that I was pretty good.” Other than that. “Once the cramps hit, there’s nothing you can do. It has nothing to do with being in shape, not being in shape. It’s maybe just dehyrdration or something. Once they kicked in, I really had to fight through it. … I could have easily laid on the ground at No. 16 and said, ‘Oh, I cramped up.’ But I wanted to fight through it. Even though it probably wasn’t the smartest thing to do, I still had to do it to show my teammates that I was going to fight for them.” As Jimmy Johnson once said before a practice, let the mind control the body, not the body control the mind. Whitner earns the third star. #mentaltoughness

Five Browns started camp on the non-football injury list, which translated means they did not pass the conditioning test, or were injured while trying to pass. They were guard John Greco, defensive tackle Phil Taylor, defensive lineman Billy Winn (hamstring), tight end Gary Barnidge, offensive lineman Nick McDonald and fullback Marqueis Gray. Pettine said it’s the price of not having an easy test. His test consisted of 20 sprints of 40, 50 or 60 yards, depending on position, all of which had to be done in a required time. Mingo and Skrine were two guys who got through the test impressively. Pettine said the others will eventually be back, though it might not warrant passing the same test – which might be tough for a guy like Taylor. #demanding

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Sounds wrong to me, but I have never coached in the NFL. I mean.......you really never want two guys in the same proximity because that just makes the job easier for the defense. You just don't draw plays up that way. Does that make sense?

I will say that there are hot routes and sight adjustments where both the QB and the WR need to recognize the coverage and alter the route and delivery. I don't know if that qualifies as an answer to your question or not.

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I would love to know what happened to John Greco. last I read he slim down and really looked in shape.


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Inside linebacker Craig Robertson toiled with the first-string defense...




Really? Does Robertson continue to be the whipping boy because he couldn't cover Reggie Bush and struggled in coverages he probably shouldn't have been in? Journalists know word definitions better than I do so I looked up "toiled". One definition is, "work extremely hard or incessantly", but I can't help feeling the writer used it the other definition I'm more familiar with as, "move slowly and with difficulty."

Made I made too much of that. But this player will never live down last years coverage problems until he plays consistently well not having to cover for TJ Ward.


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Cornerback Buster Skrine tipped a pass from Hoyer in an 11-on-11 drill, and free safety Tashaun Gipson intercepted it.




Dang! I'm beginning to think this is a designed play.


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Thanks bro, but as we both know...............there is book smart and there is football smart. I really do get the impression that Manziel is extremely intelligent. I have no idea about how well he does calculus or about his memory, but the guy seems very perceptive and it appears he processes information quickly. Sometimes when I hear him talk, he sounds like a 32 year old vet. He just has that presence about him. It's like he is a born commander.

I could be way off. I don't know. It's just the feeling I am getting. And you know me, bro........I am usually very skeptical, but I think if he can stay healthy, we might just have something special w/this guy.

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You just don't draw plays up that way. Does that make sense?




Yes it does. I've read that before and assumed it's a given. But I was trying to be creative. If I was the OC looks like I'd go down in flames trying to outsmart myself.


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Gipson is just one of those guys who seems to find the ball. My brother was like that in bb. He always got the rebounds, even though he was a PG. He just knew where the ball was going. Gipson is the same way. Hard to explain and it sounds like BS, but I believe it. LOL

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Bro, you could be right. I was just giving my opinion on it. I truly don't know what Shanny's playbook looks like.

And if it doesn't match up w/yours.......who knows........maybe you have a new career in front of you.

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I was impressed with manziel's ability to anticipate and throw with accuracy while running for his life. I mean everyone talks about these throws where he appeared to just throw it up for grabs but if you notice, you never see a defender going up for those jump balls. he would hang it up where his guy was really free to go up and get it.

I have gone back and watched some of his games that were up on you tube and I see him make some really smart throws.

listening to him, he reminds me of the 36 year old version of Farve not a raw rookie who spent the offseason partying it up and I sometimes wonder if this partying with celebrities isnt just his marketing gimic. I think the kid likes to play the mental games. He gets suspended for half a game, after his first TD he starts that money symbol as a direct rub at the refs and the NCAA.

Hell even his comments about taking the knee, just reinforces the fact that this guy is very smart, very observant and he may be the NFL's version of Dr Gregory House lol

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Yeah bro.............I'm w/you on this. The more I watch this guy, the more I think that he is one special dude. He's smarter than most. He has balls the size of basketballs. Some people dismiss "it," but I don't. The kid has "it."

My biggest concern is that he gets hurt. Gruden lectured him about when to run and when not to run. It was good advice. He is a tough guy, but he will get hurt if he keeps playing w/reckless abandon. Has to get smarter in that aspect of the game.

Bottom line...........I am pretty darn excited about his potential. I wanted Teddy, but Manziel was my next pick. Getting him at 22 was a steal.

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I agree on the "it" factor and also agree the kid seems pretty darn smart. I think the kid is going to be special.


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Call me silly, but I liked the fact Haslam took a few minutes to talk to the media. He's like Jerry Jones, minus all the power tripping and etc. Haha

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I agree on the "it" factor and also agree the kid seems pretty darn smart. I think the kid is going to be special.




I've been waiting and waiting to pass judgement, give a thumbs up/thumbs down, or just straight up be happy or disappointed in the pick.

But as far as seing a 21yo that is extremely confident in whatever the subject is and being true to himself and who he is, I can see why his teammates at A & M stood by him and backed him as being a terrific teammate and leader. No matter the question, he looks people straight in the eyes and gives as straight of an answer as you can give.

If we were to draft a QB early(1st or 2nd rd) he was one of my top 2 picks. As far as my thoughts now............my confidence meter on this kid climbs daily.

However, my confidence has ALWAYS climbed exponentially during and thru training camps and has ALWAYS reached it's crescendo the day before opening day when I ALWAYS predict a 19-0 season.

Oh, and one other thing............he def has a quality that has been near and dear to me............he works hard and plays hard.





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Cool pic.

Dudes... check out this video of some camp highlights:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...bf-1ad80ccab694

At the end of it is West's beauty catch!

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From what I'm able to deduce from it, Manziel threw that pass to West. Manziel better work on his accuracy.

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From what I'm able to deduce from it, Manziel threw that pass to West. Manziel better work on his accuracy.




It was Thigpen (#4) who threw that pass...

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I think Charley Casserly was correct in praise for West. Kid looks special and hey Ben Tate are you worried now?

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Cool pic.

Dudes... check out this video of some camp highlights:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...bf-1ad80ccab694

At the end of it is West's beauty catch!




that was a beautiful catch.. Kids got hands


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