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Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 2 - Packed House day 2 of Cleveland Browns training camp took place on Sunday, and I ventured out to Berea for my first scheduled trip of the season I have three more planned, with the next one being this Friday). Temperatures in the morning started off around 75 degrees, but the humidity was hovering close to 100%. When I left the house and stepped outside, my legs were immediately covered in moisture. Yes, humidity doesn't make for the best-feeling conditions, but I'll still take it over practice being rained out. CLEVELAND BROWNS TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 2 (7/27/14) 1. Setting the Scene in Berea: This year, the Browns implemented a new ticket registration system for camp that was capped at 4,000 tickets per session. When entering on Beech street this year, most of the people begin in the big line on the right side. There is an express line on the far left for fans who took an additional step during the registration process (I am trying to get this for Friday's session). Fans who stay on the right eventually move up and get partitioned into six mini-lanes, where you then present your ticket to somebody with a bar code scanner. Upon scanning my ticket, I entered the facility (when I got home, I saw the email that confirmed I had attended the event). I had arrived at Beech Street at about 8:28 AM, when gates were about to open, and I probably only had to wait in line for 3 minutes despite the long stream of fans. All things considered, it seemed like an efficient setup. 2. Please Don't Let it Be Field 2: There are four football fields in Berea, and the team typically rotates which field the bulk of the action will take place on. Every year when I go to training camp, I pray that the action isn't going to be on Field 2, because that is the only field that is impossible to get a good glimpse of because of how far away from the fans it is. Well, sure enough, I was greeted with this: D'oh! Oh, well. One good decision that I made this year was to bring my own foldable chair, because I was tired of standing in the hot sun for 2.5 hours or being scrunched on bleachers for 2.5 hours. Because I arrived early and picked my spot quickly, I had plenty of leg space and room for my water bottles and notebook (well, that is, until I was engulfed by fans who surrounded me after practice because Donte Whitner was a couple of feet away from me to sign autographs). 3. Grading the Quarterbacks: Most training camp evaluations are premature, but you can at least get a vibe based on rep distributions and general competency as to who is doing well and who isn't. Here is how I assessed the four quarterbacks on Day 2 of practice: Hoyer: Clearly the best of the bunch. He threw a pretty deep ball early on in practice to WR Anthony Armstrong, who caught it despite double coverage from CB Joe Haden and FS Tashaun Gipson. Hoyer also displayed the same qualities that made him an effective quarterback in 2013: he got rid of the ball quickly. There were several pass plays in which he took the snap and immediately fired the ball out to his left. The play might have yielded a couple of yards only, but it still moves the ball and keeps defenses guessing. He also had nice zip on an intermediate pass to WR Andrew Hawkins, one that he easily could have taken the distance in open field if it were a real game. Manziel: I didn't have time to do a predictions post before training camp, but if I could have, this would have been one of them: a healthy Hoyer will start all 16 games in 2014. I love what Manziel can and will bring to the table, but he's no where near as polished as Hoyer is. I know it's his style, but too often on Sunday, he seemed to move out of the pocket just for the sake of moving out of the pocket. He made some nice throws -- such as an intermediate laser he fired to WR Taylor Gabriel -- but he also threw balls behind, over, or at the feet of receivers, like when he missed WR Willie Snead on an out route for the final play of practice. Thigpen & Shaw: Wow, this was pretty ugly, particularly with Thigpen. His throws weren't even close when he got the reps. Shaw got a very limited sample size since he is the fourth-string guy, but he didn't make the most of his opportunity either. For the record, even though I hammered Manziel in my assessment above, Manziel was still light years more accurate than these two. 4. A Little Boring: Overall, practice was pretty boring. I didn't want to use that word, but I convinced myself after I saw that Craig over at Waiting for Next Year agreed with me. The first two days of practice weren't in pads, though, and it looked like the drills were designed around that fact. Contact wasn't permitted. Monday's practice will be in full pads, and I can only hope the same will be true when I go out again on Friday. 5. Hawkins Delivers the Goods: The best receiver of the day was WR Andrew Hawkins. The funny thing is that when you think of him, you think of the bubble screen type of play where he makes defenders miss. All of the receptions I saw for Hawkins came on intermediate passes with tight windows and two-three defenders collapsing around him as the ball game. Hawkins kept his concentration on each play -- the most impressive one was the aforementioned throw from QB Brian Hoyer that would have gone for a big gain after the catch too. 6. Armstrong Making His Case: Besides Hawkins, WR Anthony Armstrong again made an early impression. I already mentioned the deep connection he had with QB Brian Hoyer, but shortly after that, Armstrong made another nice catch off of a playaction pass from Hoyer. I officially regret not including Armstrong on my first 53-man roster projection, not just because of two nice catches today, but because he reportedly did this regularly throughout all of OTAs and minicamp. 7. Gordon's Talent Doesn't Match Practice: WR Josh Gordon seemed to be running limited reps, or at least not with the first-team units again. Early in practice, one of QB Johnny Manziel's first throws was a pass to Gordon on a dig route. It was right in his breadbasket, but he dropped it -- Gordon has always, to be frank, looked like an average receiver whenever I've seen him in previous years at training camp. Obviously, that's not the case when gameday hits. There was also one instance in which a deep ball was thrown for Gordon. He had to wait on it a little, and that allowed CB Buster Skrine to make up some ground and break up the pass at the last second. That play might be more of a tribute to Skrine, but in a game situation, it's a play where you'd hope Gordon would jump back to the ball more, alas what Bears WR Alshon Jeffery did against our secondary in 2013. Other WR Notes: I didn't really see much of WR Miles Austin and WR Nate Burleson, but maybe they got some work on the field I couldn't see in one-on-one type of drills. When it came to the 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 action, it seemed like WR Willie Snead was being targeted at a high rate. I didn't see WR Chandler Jones once during practice, and I had wondered if he'd fallen big time on the depth chart. After practice, though, I saw that Jones missed practice. I saw WR Travis Benjamin fielding some punts, but not getting much action at receiver. Lastly, WR Taylor Gabriel was on the receiving end of a deep pass from QB Brian Hoyer, again amidst double coverage. Gabriel is off to a hot start to camp, but the issue again becomes that he seems too similar to Hawkins. 9. Positional Drills: When the team broke into positional drills during practice, I had an up-close look at the defensive line, as you can see from the lead photo. All of these guys seemed to have the nasty combination of power and quickness, but DE Desmond Bryant was particularly impressive. The effort was there from everybody, including youngsters Calvin Barnett and Jacobbi McDaniel. Because of how stacked the defensive line is, those guys could be duking it out between each other for a practice squad spot. The drills themselves were interesting. The coaches would have a football attached to a stick sitting on the ground to simulate when the snap actually took place vs. reacting to a cadence. That drill was for both the defensive linemen and the outside linebackers, and I think OLB Edgar Jones might have been the only one to bite on a false start. The defensive line must have won a bet against their coaches, because at one point, four defensive line coaches/assistants dropped to the ground and started doing pushups, much to the amusement of the players. One other early drill for the cornerbacks had a coach lobbing the ball in the air for a cornerback (with the defense only being on the field). After the cornerback caught the ball, a convoy of defensive players would begin blocking in front of the intercepting player. 10. RB Notes: It's hard to judge running backs in practice because you know the defense isn't allowed to tackle them. With that said, I didn't expect RB Terrance West to look as quick as he did. West and RB Ben Tate were getting most of the reps, so I saw very little of the other backs on the roster. I was hoping that "my guy," RB Dion Lewis, would catch fire again, but I barely saw him. Lewis did have two touches late in the day, and on both of them, he was putting on the same moves he did last year. Lewis is going to have to capitalize during the actual preseason games or as the kickoff returner to make the team, though, based on the running back reps he is getting. 11. Gray is Back in Business: I saw FB/TE MarQueis Gray on the field Sunday, and he was off to the side practicing long snaps with the punter. Gray is already taking on a versatile role, so why not add "backup long snapper" to his resume? After practice, Gray tweeted, "I'm in shape!! Just a minor setback with cramps the other day! Moving forward." The Browns want to get him some more reps to see if he can be the team's lead fullback. 12. Camp Chatter from the Fans: I always try to listen for the logical or absurd "camp chatter" from opposing fans around me. Here is a sample: (1) During the first couple of minutes of practice, someone said, "Is Buster Skrine still on the team? He sucks." Well, way to show confidence in a much-improved corner, one who has gotten off to a good start in camp. (2) Every year, you see the Browns set up a machine that simulates a punt or kickoff -- it shoots the football deep or sky-high into the air for the return man without wasting the punter's leg. Well, this machine did this several times, and then one fan behind me said, "Man, who is throwing that ball? That's going REALLY high in the air." They said this a few times, and once some people moved out of the way, they realized it was a machine, to which I think, "come on, you really thought a quarterback could or would be throwing the ball as high as a punter kicks the ball?" (3) "Who the hell is McDaniel?" in reference to DL Jacobbi McDaniel, one of the lesser-known defensive linemen in our area. (4) One fan behind me was insistent that the Browns did not let QB Brian Hoyer take any snaps under center on Day 1 of camp (he was telling this to a friend). I actually laughed out loud a little to myself because I knew it was not true. Right around the same time, Hoyer (from under center) had just completed the early deep ball to WR Anthony Armstrong. As fans were clapping, the two people behind me started talking again. "Who threw that?" said one fan. "Well, like I said, Hoyer isn't taking snaps under center yet, so that must have been Manziel," replied the other fan. And that's how things can get lost in translation. I thought about correcting the guy, but I didn't feel like taking my attention off the field. (5) After practice ended, players came to sign autographs. SS Donte Whitner was a few feet away from me, and I didn't have time to move my chairs out of the way. It was too late -- kids had pushed through the ropes and now circled me 360 degrees. I just had to sit still for a few minutes until I had a slight opening to move behind me. Hat tip to my brother for relaying this one, though: QB Johnny Manziel was signing autographs at a different part of the field, and my brother overheard one fan complaining about Manziel leaving the field when the horn sounded (signifying that players can leave now): ". Manziel! That ...... I waited out there, had everything ready for him to sign, and then he blew off like he doesn't even have the time to sign my stuff while I'm waiting there. . him. . Manziel." (6) It never fails me how fans go, "Wow!" every time a running backs goes through the entire defense to green pastures, not realizing that tackling isn't allowed and that's a large part of the reason they appear to be "free." Concession Stand Prices: What would you buy? http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4820162/CIMG1636.jpgBrownies (Part 1): LT Joe Thomas had the day off, as he is on a "veteran pitch count," according to head coach Mike Pettine (well earned if you ask me). ... With Thomas having the day off, OT Martin Wallace filled in at left tackle with the first-team offense. ... OG Jason Pinkston has missed two practices, and a DBN reader tells us that he might have an issue with his lungs again. ... The final drill of the day had QB Brian Hoyer and QB Johnny Manziel taking three snaps each from Shotgun. ... RB Ben Tate caught a pass on the sideline with ILB Craig Robertson in coverage. 15. Brownies (Part 2): On one of the poor throws from QB Tyler Thigpen, CB Leon McFadden dropped an interception. ... I saw S Jordan Poyer covering TE Jordan Cameron deep on one play. ... QB Johnny Manziel began practice with bright neon green cleats, but had to take them off (league policy) and replace them with orange cleats. ... Reports say that CB Buster Skrine and WR Willie Snead, as well as TE Emmanuel Ogbuehl and OLB Edgar Jones, got into mini-skirmishes, but I didn't witness either one of them. 16. Brownies (Part 3): Just from my visuals, it seemed like P Spencer Lanning was getting good lift on his punts, compared to last year. ... Per Kevin Jones of Browns.com, CB Isaiah Trufant is getting the nickel back work for the Browns right now, because the team wants CB Justin Gilbert to just focus on learning the outside cornerback position for now. ... RB Isaiah Crowell is now No. 34 instead of No. 30. ... There was a zip line at practice today, and it will be in Berea two more times, as well as at Family Day in Akron, according to Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland. http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2014/7/27/5942481/cleveland-browns-training-camp-report-day-2
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Unfortunately, these comments are typical of probably 85% or more of the fans. One reason I hate fans, present company excepted, (well, most everybody).
That may sound odd coming from another fan but I sat in the DawgPound back in 1990 and listened to them boo Matt Bahr. Matt freaking Bahr, because his back was killing him and he missed a chip shot field goal attempt. When his kicking leg came down he grasped at his back arching with the pain.
They freaking booed him. I'll never forget him looking back at the Pound, still clutching at his back with a look on his face like, "What the hell, you don't even know me?!"
I felt bad for him knowing he was hurt. They hated on him because he couldn't meet their expectations. I guess the old "injury is no excuse" thing extends to individual players. They treated him like some old, washed up player who never really gave his best for the team anyway. It was then I realized there are those who love the team and those who only do when they're winning. Otherwise the team gives them something to take their frustrations out on.
The team couldn't keep Bahr at final cuts because he wasn't healthy but the Giants signed him...
"He is best remembered for his performance in the 1990 NFC Championship Game on January 20, 1991, as he set an NFC Championship Game record with five field goals (including a 42-yarder as time expired) to lift the Giants past the 49ers 15-13. He also kicked what would prove to be the decisive field goal in Super Bowl XXV on January 27, 1991, as the Giants beat the Buffalo Bills 20-19, also recording a tackle on the opening kickoff."
Yes, that was the year we had to cut him. We couldn't reserve two roster spots for a kicker, one who could kick and one who was healing. All the great games Bahr had as a Brown and these idiots booed him rather than having a little compassion when he was unhealthy. Then he went on and was instrumental in getting his new team a Super Bowl.
You know, I've told that story in detail about 3 times on this board over the years. That's how much it affected me.
Every single time I've gone to a game at the stadium, either one, I seem to get seats in the middle of the most ignorant football fans in the world. I've come to the conclusion that it is typical of the majority of our fans and that's how I've come to hate them. They don't really pay attention to what's going on down on the field but reserve the right to boo and complain because they've bought a ticket. If I didn't know better, and I don't, they buy a ticket so they can boo and complain. It's like they think that's the reason you buy a ticket. So you can tell them to their face how much you disapprove of them.
I went to a celebrity basketball game once at a local high school when the faculty was playing some Browns players. I only met two players. One was a lineman at a gas station when this huge guy got out of his car to pump gas, as I was, and he asked me for directions. At that time I'd never been that close to a pro lineman. I drove away wondering how he even fit in his car.
After the game they had tables set up for autographs. The only autograph I got and only player I met was Mike Oliphant, (remember him?). Standing in front of him while he was signing my program I said, "I really appreciate what you do." He said, "Yeah, why?" I didn't expect to have to answer to that. I figured he'd have said thanks and let it go. I told him, "When you make a great play I feel great for you. When you make a mistake I feel as bad as if I'd done that myself." He looked up me, shook my hand and gave me a, "Thanks man.", and it was over.
I made my point. When our guys screw up I don't boo or hate on them. This is my team, it's in my blood. Each and every player is my brother while they're on my team. I live my football through them. Good or bad they make it all happen for me.
I've got I've 13 years of posting on here to back me up when I say I've never said one of our players "sucks" until Weeden. I think they all try their best. I don't think Weeden did.
The reason I love this board is because for the most part, except for a few dolts, fans here get it.
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pblack, you've been consistent in posting news articles and I appreciate that.
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j/c Here is a good article about Mingo. I guess I'm a tad surprised to see Pettine quoted as saying, regarding Mingo, "As far as a true radical position change, it’s right up there with him.” Looks like he'll be in coverage far more often than rushing the passer like he did last year and at LSU. Also, and it's been said on here before, I hope the weight gain doesn't effect his speed, but it's hard to imagine that it won't to some degree. C'mon Mingo!  ___________________________ Browns LB Barkevious Mingo Hoping Bigger Is Better In Year 2 BEREA (AP) — Browns linebacker Barkevious Mingo is banking on bigger being better after a rookie year that started fast and then sort of fizzled. He’s been bulking up this offseason, ready to fit in with the faster and stronger of the NFL. As the sixth overall pick in the 2013 draft, Mingo made an instant impact for the Browns, flying all over the field and registering a sack in each of his first three games. But just as quickly, he disappeared from the stat sheet, recording only two more sacks the rest of the season. Mingo now weighs in the upper 230s. “Last year, I learned a lot of lessons – stuff that you can’t draw on the board,” Mingo said Sunday. “I feel like I’m using that this year to help me be a better player.” It’s not just overcoming the stigma of being undersized. With a new coaching staff in place, Mingo is also adapting to new responsibilities in a revamped defense. “He’s out in space, much more involved in coverage,” coach Mike Pettine said. “We’ll still take advantage of his pass rush ability. As far as a true radical position change, it’s right up there with him.” That’s just fine with Mingo, who had an interception and tipped pass in the first day of practice Saturday. And despite packing on the weight, he still impressed everybody with how fast he ran through the team’s conditioning tests on Friday. “I guess I’ll be asked to do a little more in coverage,” Mingo said. “I feel comfortable doing that.” That attitude, and the willingness to help the team however he can, has made a good first impression on the coaching staff, but the work Mingo’s put in hasn’t been lost on his teammates, either. “He doesn’t have that first-round chip on his shoulder where he thinks everything should be given to him,” said safety Donte Whitner, who is entering his ninth year in the league. “He’s a very coachable guy and the coaches are excited about the things that he can do. We’ve just got to get him to Taco Bell after training camp practice to get a couple of pounds on him.” A lot has certainly been asked of Mingo this offseason, but as far as Pettine is concerned, he’s been up to the task for everything. “I just think his preparation, his willingness, talking to him about getting his weight up a little bit – it’s not an easy transition for him,” Pettine said. It might not be the easiest of transitions, but it helps that Mingo has been given a clean slate with new defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil. “All our coaches that are there are top-notch guys, top-notch coaches,” Mingo said. “They’re younger guys. They related better. They make everything easy for us.” And after an offseason to think about his disappointing rookie campaign, waiting to prove that he was better than five sacks, Mingo is out to prove he’s every bit the player the Browns see in him. “I’m just ready to play,” Mingo said. (© Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.) http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/07/27...tter-in-year-2/
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Let's hope so. I was not a Mingo "admirer" through his last season at college and I was disappointed (!) that we took him in the draft, but I sincerely hope that he proves me wrong... 
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Doesn't bother me either. Big guys like that don't need to be running sprints anyway. In games they aren't running more than 10 yards at a time.
If you can't run forty yds consistently in practice you can' run 10 yds efficiently for 60 minutes in a game.
That,s how you get in shape.
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jc: Per Tom Withers: Quote:
Browns have waived OL Chris Faulk.
https://twitter.com/twithersAP
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Surprising this early. Especially with Pinkston being down.
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Surprising this early. Especially with Pinkston being down.
Scheme fit issue? Lingering injury issue?
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Why? The guy is always hurt and can never practice. We have probably been waiting weeks to do this, just waiting for the medical OK.
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I think Mingo is going to be a lot like Jerry hughes was last year. Situational pass rush, but also be on of the most efficient pass rushers in the game in pettines scheme.
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Surprising this early. Especially with Pinkston being down.
Why? The guy is always hurt and can never practice. We have probably been waiting weeks to do this, just waiting for the medical OK.
From what I had read about Faulk was that he would not be a fit for the ZBS, too ... er... lumbering lets say.
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Browns talking up 'explosive' Charles Johnson By Marc Sessler Around the League Writer It's no secret: The Cleveland Browns have a gaping void to fill if Josh Gordon is shipped into the abyss come September. Losing last year's league-leading wide receiver to a potentially lengthy suspension would cripple Kyle Shanahan's passing game and make the Browns a candidate to lead the NFL in carries one year after they topped the league in pass attempts. Grizzled veteran Miles Austin and Nate Burleson were added to a corps of pass-catchers that also include jitterbug Andrew Hawkins and subpackage burner Travis Benjamin. The rest of the depth chart is enigmatic, but here's one name that continues to bubble up: Charles Johnson, who ESPNCleveland.com called a "revelation in the first days of training camp" on the heels of last season's ACL injury. "The easy things are all the recognizables right away, that he's 6-foot-2 and a half, 215 pounds," Browns general manager Ray Farmer told reporters on Sunday. "He ran a 4.38 40 (yard dash). Those are the easy pieces, but when you watch the tape you like his hands. You like the fact that he can run the routes, and right now it's a young man that put a lot of work to recovering from an ACL injury. You can see that he's big. He's still fast and he can run routes and catch the football." Farmer scouted Johnson at Division II's Grand Valley State before the wideout was drafted last year by the Packers, who lost Johnson to Cleveland when the Browns plucked him off Green Bay's practice squad in October. "He's explosive," coach Mike Pettine said. "He's a guy that is deceptively fast. He doesn't look like he's covering a lot of ground but he is. I think his catch radius is bigger than most. He's got long arms and he's got (big) hands. He's a guy that we hope can emerge from this as a guy that can help us." Johnson is on our radar, but let's pump the brakes until he starts producing on the field. It's nice to have a promising young player, but unless he steps up immediately, the Browns are a lock to lean more heavily on tight end Jordan Cameron than anyone at receiver to make up for Gordon's potential loss. Link 
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Surprising this early. Especially with Pinkston being down.
Why? The guy is always hurt and can never practice. We have probably been waiting weeks to do this, just waiting for the medical OK.
From what I had read about Faulk was that he would not be a fit for the ZBS, too ... er... lumbering lets say.
he is a lumbering beast type OL. He is power, with poor footwork, and a lower leg injury. H ewill never fit a ZBS.
The writing was on the wall for him when we brought in a couple of OL right before camp.
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Unfortunately, these comments are typical of probably 85% or more of the fans. One reason I hate fans, present company excepted, (well, most everybody).
I agree. Heck, look at some of the recent comments about how much better our receivers are than last year.
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Who is this Calvin Barnett kid I'm starting to hear a lot about? Anyone got a report on the guy?
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12. Camp Chatter from the Fans:
Unfortunately, these comments are typical of probably 85% or more of the fans. One reason I hate fans, present company excepted, (well, most everybody).
That may sound odd coming from another fan but I sat in the DawgPound back in 1990 and listened to them boo Matt Bahr. Matt freaking Bahr, because his back was killing him and he missed a chip shot field goal attempt. When his kicking leg came down he grasped at his back arching with the pain.
They freaking booed him. I'll never forget him looking back at the Pound, still clutching at his back with a look on his face like, "What the hell, you don't even know me?!"
I felt bad for him knowing he was hurt. They hated on him because he couldn't meet their expectations. I guess the old "injury is no excuse" thing extends to individual players. They treated him like some old, washed up player who never really gave his best for the team anyway. It was then I realized there are those who love the team and those who only do when they're winning. Otherwise the team gives them something to take their frustrations out on.
The team couldn't keep Bahr at final cuts because he wasn't healthy but the Giants signed him...
"He is best remembered for his performance in the 1990 NFC Championship Game on January 20, 1991, as he set an NFC Championship Game record with five field goals (including a 42-yarder as time expired) to lift the Giants past the 49ers 15-13. He also kicked what would prove to be the decisive field goal in Super Bowl XXV on January 27, 1991, as the Giants beat the Buffalo Bills 20-19, also recording a tackle on the opening kickoff."
Yes, that was the year we had to cut him. We couldn't reserve two roster spots for a kicker, one who could kick and one who was healing. All the great games Bahr had as a Brown and these idiots booed him rather than having a little compassion when he was unhealthy. Then he went on and was instrumental in getting his new team a Super Bowl.
You know, I've told that story in detail about 3 times on this board over the years. That's how much it affected me.
Every single time I've gone to a game at the stadium, either one, I seem to get seats in the middle of the most ignorant football fans in the world. I've come to the conclusion that it is typical of the majority of our fans and that's how I've come to hate them. They don't really pay attention to what's going on down on the field but reserve the right to boo and complain because they've bought a ticket. If I didn't know better, and I don't, they buy a ticket so they can boo and complain. It's like they think that's the reason you buy a ticket. So you can tell them to their face how much you disapprove of them.
I went to a celebrity basketball game once at a local high school when the faculty was playing some Browns players. I only met two players. One was a lineman at a gas station when this huge guy got out of his car to pump gas, as I was, and he asked me for directions. At that time I'd never been that close to a pro lineman. I drove away wondering how he even fit in his car.
After the game they had tables set up for autographs. The only autograph I got and only player I met was Mike Oliphant, (remember him?). Standing in front of him while he was signing my program I said, "I really appreciate what you do." He said, "Yeah, why?" I didn't expect to have to answer to that. I figured he'd have said thanks and let it go. I told him, "When you make a great play I feel great for you. When you make a mistake I feel as bad as if I'd done that myself." He looked up me, shook my hand and gave me a, "Thanks man.", and it was over.
I made my point. When our guys screw up I don't boo or hate on them. This is my team, it's in my blood. Each and every player is my brother while they're on my team. I live my football through them. Good or bad they make it all happen for me.
I've got I've 13 years of posting on here to back me up when I say I've never said one of our players "sucks" until Weeden. I think they all try their best. I don't think Weeden did.
The reason I love this board is because for the most part, except for a few dolts, fans here get it.
I actually stopped talking about football to fans at the stadium. Whenever I get to talking with someone at the stadium about the team, I end up walking away with a "wow, what the heck is that guy watching" moment.
I've come to the conclusion that a lot of Browns fans, they don't watch anything but the Browns. They don't know what good players and good schemes look like because they don't watch other teams. I realize that I am usually ahead of the curve. I won money on bets with brandon weeden, but man, some of the fans haven't seen good football in decades and it shows.
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Who is this Calvin Barnett kid I'm starting to hear a lot about? Anyone got a report on the guy?
Calvin Barnett DT 6’2” 300 – Barnett initially backed out of a commitment to the Cowboys and opted to attend Arkansas. But after failing to qualify academically, he enrolled at Navarro College in Texas. After two years in the junior college ranks, Barnett went back to his original first choice, and completed the circle by signing with Oklahoma State. In his second game with the Cowboys last season, Barnett displayed the positives and negatives of his playing style, finishing the game with 1.5 tackles for loss among his five stops, and getting flagged for two personal foul penalties on one play. He finished his junior season with nine tackles for loss, four quarterback hurries and a sack. While Barnett did not produce gaudy statistics, he was a force for the middle of the Cowboys’ defense, consistently disrupting running lanes and drawing double teams from opposing offensive linemen. Barnett does an excellent job holding his ground at the point of attack, and shedding blocks to make run stops. His strength is evident in his bull rush, and he shows athleticism dodging cut blocks and leaping to get his hands up into the passing lanes. Barnett is generally quick off the snap, and gives effort even when pursuing plays away from him. He is a tough matchup one-on-one, and plays with a nasty demeanor. Barnett is aware of his aggression and has worked to rein it in without losing his edge. Gundy’s hope is that his senior defensive lineman has matured and learned how to better control his emotions. Part of that will be for Barnett to get his driving privileges situated. Last year, he was popped three times in six months for driving with a suspended license. If Barnett can harness his rage and stay out of the police blotter, he should be poised for a big season.
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/08/2014-nfl-draft-prospect-preview-oklahoma-state-cowboys/
Undrafted Calvin Barnett making a strong early impression
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Unfortunately, these comments are typical of probably 85% or more of the fans. One reason I hate fans, present company excepted, (well, most everybody).
That may sound odd coming from another fan but I sat in the DawgPound back in 1990 and listened to them boo Matt Bahr. Matt freaking Bahr, because his back was killing him and he missed a chip shot field goal attempt. When his kicking leg came down he grasped at his back arching with the pain.
They freaking booed him. I'll never forget him looking back at the Pound, still clutching at his back with a look on his face like, "What the hell, you don't even know me?!"
I felt bad for him knowing he was hurt. They hated on him because he couldn't meet their expectations. I guess the old "injury is no excuse" thing extends to individual players. They treated him like some old, washed up player who never really gave his best for the team anyway. It was then I realized there are those who love the team and those who only do when they're winning. Otherwise the team gives them something to take their frustrations out on.
The team couldn't keep Bahr at final cuts because he wasn't healthy but the Giants signed him...
"He is best remembered for his performance in the 1990 NFC Championship Game on January 20, 1991, as he set an NFC Championship Game record with five field goals (including a 42-yarder as time expired) to lift the Giants past the 49ers 15-13. He also kicked what would prove to be the decisive field goal in Super Bowl XXV on January 27, 1991, as the Giants beat the Buffalo Bills 20-19, also recording a tackle on the opening kickoff."
Yes, that was the year we had to cut him. We couldn't reserve two roster spots for a kicker, one who could kick and one who was healing. All the great games Bahr had as a Brown and these idiots booed him rather than having a little compassion when he was unhealthy. Then he went on and was instrumental in getting his new team a Super Bowl.
You know, I've told that story in detail about 3 times on this board over the years. That's how much it affected me.
Every single time I've gone to a game at the stadium, either one, I seem to get seats in the middle of the most ignorant football fans in the world. I've come to the conclusion that it is typical of the majority of our fans and that's how I've come to hate them. They don't really pay attention to what's going on down on the field but reserve the right to boo and complain because they've bought a ticket. If I didn't know better, and I don't, they buy a ticket so they can boo and complain. It's like they think that's the reason you buy a ticket. So you can tell them to their face how much you disapprove of them.
I went to a celebrity basketball game once at a local high school when the faculty was playing some Browns players. I only met two players. One was a lineman at a gas station when this huge guy got out of his car to pump gas, as I was, and he asked me for directions. At that time I'd never been that close to a pro lineman. I drove away wondering how he even fit in his car.
After the game they had tables set up for autographs. The only autograph I got and only player I met was Mike Oliphant, (remember him?). Standing in front of him while he was signing my program I said, "I really appreciate what you do." He said, "Yeah, why?" I didn't expect to have to answer to that. I figured he'd have said thanks and let it go. I told him, "When you make a great play I feel great for you. When you make a mistake I feel as bad as if I'd done that myself." He looked up me, shook my hand and gave me a, "Thanks man.", and it was over.
I made my point. When our guys screw up I don't boo or hate on them. This is my team, it's in my blood. Each and every player is my brother while they're on my team. I live my football through them. Good or bad they make it all happen for me.
I've got I've 13 years of posting on here to back me up when I say I've never said one of our players "sucks" until Weeden. I think they all try their best. I don't think Weeden did.
The reason I love this board is because for the most part, except for a few dolts, fans here get it.
I actually stopped talking about football to fans at the stadium. Whenever I get to talking with someone at the stadium about the team, I end up walking away with a "wow, what the heck is that guy watching" moment.
I've come to the conclusion that a lot of Browns fans, they don't watch anything but the Browns. They don't know what good players and good schemes look like because they don't watch other teams. I realize that I am usually ahead of the curve. I won money on bets with brandon weeden, but man, some of the fans haven't seen good football in decades and it shows.
I still remember sitting in a bar in Twinsburg for the 1999 draft and a few guys who were probably 40-50 years old saying we might make the playoffs this year. I turned to them and said there was no way our expansion team was making the play-offs to which they replied they forgot more about football than I would ever know.
I have some layman fans in my family. You know the fans that know the general information about football but don't really understand X's and O's.
It's hard to watch the Browns with them because I hear some of the dumbest things during the game. "Put Josh Cribbs in at Safety/RB/QB" "I bet Joe Thomas could play Defensive End" "We should sack the QB on every play"
And it's always a ref screw job on every play that goes the wrong way for the Browns.
I enjoy watching the game with my Brother and that's about it. The rest of the time I watch by myself or with my wife who doesn't know enough about football to make dumb comments.
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If you didn't know, #Browns LT Joe Thomas spells this out about Mitchell Schwartz: "There's no competition at all. He is the starter at RT."
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Unfortunately, these comments are typical of probably 85% or more of the fans. One reason I hate fans, present company excepted, (well, most everybody).
That may sound odd coming from another fan but I sat in the DawgPound back in 1990 and listened to them boo Matt Bahr. Matt freaking Bahr, because his back was killing him and he missed a chip shot field goal attempt. When his kicking leg came down he grasped at his back arching with the pain.
They freaking booed him. I'll never forget him looking back at the Pound, still clutching at his back with a look on his face like, "What the hell, you don't even know me?!"
I felt bad for him knowing he was hurt. They hated on him because he couldn't meet their expectations. I guess the old "injury is no excuse" thing extends to individual players. They treated him like some old, washed up player who never really gave his best for the team anyway. It was then I realized there are those who love the team and those who only do when they're winning. Otherwise the team gives them something to take their frustrations out on.
The team couldn't keep Bahr at final cuts because he wasn't healthy but the Giants signed him...
"He is best remembered for his performance in the 1990 NFC Championship Game on January 20, 1991, as he set an NFC Championship Game record with five field goals (including a 42-yarder as time expired) to lift the Giants past the 49ers 15-13. He also kicked what would prove to be the decisive field goal in Super Bowl XXV on January 27, 1991, as the Giants beat the Buffalo Bills 20-19, also recording a tackle on the opening kickoff."
Yes, that was the year we had to cut him. We couldn't reserve two roster spots for a kicker, one who could kick and one who was healing. All the great games Bahr had as a Brown and these idiots booed him rather than having a little compassion when he was unhealthy. Then he went on and was instrumental in getting his new team a Super Bowl.
You know, I've told that story in detail about 3 times on this board over the years. That's how much it affected me.
Every single time I've gone to a game at the stadium, either one, I seem to get seats in the middle of the most ignorant football fans in the world. I've come to the conclusion that it is typical of the majority of our fans and that's how I've come to hate them. They don't really pay attention to what's going on down on the field but reserve the right to boo and complain because they've bought a ticket. If I didn't know better, and I don't, they buy a ticket so they can boo and complain. It's like they think that's the reason you buy a ticket. So you can tell them to their face how much you disapprove of them.
I went to a celebrity basketball game once at a local high school when the faculty was playing some Browns players. I only met two players. One was a lineman at a gas station when this huge guy got out of his car to pump gas, as I was, and he asked me for directions. At that time I'd never been that close to a pro lineman. I drove away wondering how he even fit in his car.
After the game they had tables set up for autographs. The only autograph I got and only player I met was Mike Oliphant, (remember him?). Standing in front of him while he was signing my program I said, "I really appreciate what you do." He said, "Yeah, why?" I didn't expect to have to answer to that. I figured he'd have said thanks and let it go. I told him, "When you make a great play I feel great for you. When you make a mistake I feel as bad as if I'd done that myself." He looked up me, shook my hand and gave me a, "Thanks man.", and it was over.
I made my point. When our guys screw up I don't boo or hate on them. This is my team, it's in my blood. Each and every player is my brother while they're on my team. I live my football through them. Good or bad they make it all happen for me.
I've got I've 13 years of posting on here to back me up when I say I've never said one of our players "sucks" until Weeden. I think they all try their best. I don't think Weeden did.
The reason I love this board is because for the most part, except for a few dolts, fans here get it.
I actually stopped talking about football to fans at the stadium. Whenever I get to talking with someone at the stadium about the team, I end up walking away with a "wow, what the heck is that guy watching" moment.
I've come to the conclusion that a lot of Browns fans, they don't watch anything but the Browns. They don't know what good players and good schemes look like because they don't watch other teams. I realize that I am usually ahead of the curve. I won money on bets with brandon weeden, but man, some of the fans haven't seen good football in decades and it shows.
I still remember sitting in a bar in Twinsburg for the 1999 draft and a few guys who were probably 40-50 years old saying we might make the playoffs this year. I turned to them and said there was no way our expansion team was making the play-offs to which they replied they forgot more about football than I would ever know.
I have some layman fans in my family. You know the fans that know the general information about football but don't really understand X's and O's.
It's hard to watch the Browns with them because I hear some of the dumbest things during the game. "Put Josh Cribbs in at Safety/RB/QB" "I bet Joe Thomas could play Defensive End" "We should sack the QB on every play"
And it's always a ref screw job on every play that goes the wrong way for the Browns.
I enjoy watching the game with my Brother and that's about it. The rest of the time I watch by myself or with my wife who doesn't know enough about football to make dumb comments.
hahahahaha oh man THE BOLDED TEXT LOL
I don't have Cable (it's seriously a waste of money) so when games aren't on local broadcast I have to go to a bar (I usually go to winking lizard here in Columbus). Every time I go out into public to watch the game, ANY and I mean ANY play that doesn't go the Browns way is or should be a penalty. The yelling about non flags that absolutely did not deserve a flag, it literally makes me embarrassed to be a Browns fan and be associated with these people. I'm sure all fan bases have these guys, but it's just so cringe worthy to know, people lump the two of you together.
Like, it's just impossible for them to just admit we're bad. They just can't say, "we're just not a very good football team". Nope, it was the refs, screwing us 12 games a season.....  
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I don't have Cable (it's seriously a waste of money) so when games aren't on local broadcast I have to go to a bar (I usually go to winking lizard here in Columbus). Every time I go out into public to watch the game, ANY and I mean ANY play that doesn't go the Browns way is or should be a penalty. The yelling about non flags that absolutely did not deserve a flag, it literally makes me embarrassed to be a Browns fan and be associated with these people. I'm sure all fan bases have these guys, but it's just so cringe worthy to know, people lump the two of you together.
Like, it's just impossible for them to just admit we're bad. They just can't say, "we're just not a very good football team". Nope, it was the refs, screwing us 12 games a season.....
This is why I have Sunday Ticket and stopped going to the backers bar. Granted, I get upset about the refs quite often, but I always remember what I told my son when he was playing, "It's only a penalty if you get caught". I distinctly recall fans being upset during the '94 season (11-5) when things didn't go our way. I'm sure the fans will turn around when there is less to complain about. One of the happiest seasons I can remember was actually the '99 season. It was an outright celebration on every (any) first down and every (any) TD. Hell, people were generally happy just to see a completed pass. There were many steeler fans that refused to talk to me after that Dawson FG. It's been time for the FO to fix this mess for many years now. I just want a winning season again, and at least 6 division wins.
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Browns Pop Pads, Rookies Chris Kirksey And Justin Gilbert Shine On Day 3 BEREA (92.3 The Fan) – Cleveland Browns head coach Mike Pettine said Sunday that he wanted to “hear” practice on Monday. Although there were times when it seemed like there wasn’t much heard, Pettine liked what he heard despite the lack of tackling, which he didn’t want to see. The first “live” tackling practice will take place Thursday morning and Saturday’s ‘Family Day’ session in Akron will also be full pads and “live.” Until then Pettine wants the emphasis on protecting players by keeping them on their feet. He wants defenders to simulate a tackle by “thudding” or wrapping up the offensive player and then letting them go. QB Competition – The leader board didn’t change Monday, but Johnny Manziel looked a more confident in pads – and a little bigger too. Manziel committed the first turnover seen on day 3 when he was intercepted by Buster Skrine during a receiver vs. defensive back drill. A pair of fellow rookies also swiped Manziel passes during team drills. Cornerback Justin Gilbert plucked a pass over the middle out of the air and linebacker Chris Kirksey jumped a rout and came away with a pick-6 t the delight of fellow defensive players who erupted as Kirksey ran down the sideline towards the end zone. Manziel moved the ball nicely in the final 11 on 11 session of practice, which ended in a short TD pass to fullback Ray Agnew which was set up by a completion over the middle to Taylor Gabriel rolling the pocket. Brian Hoyer continues to show a strong comfort level with Kyle Shanahan’s system and did a nice job with pre-snap reads at the line. His surgically repaired right knee is a non issue. Gilbert got Hoyer in the receiver vs. dbs drill but otherwise the veteran was crisp once again during individual and team work. Fight In The Dawg – Aside form his skill at the position, the Browns signed Karlos Dansby to bring an edge, an attitude to the Dansby sees that same attitude and intensity ion a pair of rookies. “Gilbert defiantly has it in him, yea he is a chippy guy. You know I like to see that in a young pup coming in,” Dansby said. “Chris Kirksey also he has it in him also. Some guys get it brought out of them. Certain situations on the field brings that dog out of them. Like I said you like to see that.” Going, Going, Almost Gone – The Browns have given out their scheduled allotment of passes for fans to attend camp for 11 of the 13 sessions in Berea including the first 10. The team has a limited amount of passes remaining for Tues. Aug. 12 and Wed. Aug. 13, both of which start at 9:30 a.m. Up Next – Practice Tuesday, 9:30 a.m.; no passes are available http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/07/28...7jrnne0.twitter
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That's me in a nutshell. I turn down invites to "come over and watch the game". I watch it alone ( and never answer the phone during a game) unless my brother stops over or I go to his place. When the two us watch that game you'd think we fell asleep if you were in the next room. We don't jump, yell, clap or say boo the entire time. TD's do get a fist pump and a "Hell Yeah!" though. We do all our talking before and after the game.
But nine games out of ten I watch at home, alone. I prefer it that way.
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My daughter DancinDawg and I have passes for the Monday camp after the Lions game.. I'm thinking they may have a busy day making post game adjustments.. I'm excited and I'll post my observations.
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J/C, With the Gordon suspension Looming, and theres alot of unrest at WR right now..but I'm thinking Austin might be a darkhorse. He seems to be healthy and when he's healthy, he's better than anything we have on the roster sans gordon. Anyone else expecting good things from austin?
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I enjoy watching the game with my Brother and that's about it. The rest of the time I watch by myself...
That's me in a nutshell. I turn down invites to "come over and watch the game". I watch it alone ( and never answer the phone during a game) unless my brother stops over or I go to his place. When the two us watch that game you'd think we fell asleep if you were in the next room. We don't jump, yell, clap or say boo the entire time. TD's do get a fist pump and a "Hell Yeah!" though. We do all our talking before and after the game.
But nine games out of ten I watch at home, alone. I prefer it that way.
I watch alone or with my son and I yell and cuss and pace and complain ( mostly about the coaching), but I learned some time ago about thowing things so I have a pice of foam the shape of a brick I throw at the TV.
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Joe Thomas talks Browns' run game, Hoyer BEREA, Ohio -- Joe Thomas has reached the point in his career where he is given days off during Cleveland Browns' training camp. It's a sign of respect, and in Thomas' case it's respect for sustained and consistent excellence in each of his seven previous seasons in the league, when he's made seven Pro Bowls and never missed a snap. Thomas remains ever dedicated, ever courteous. He also is unfailingly humble. But as his career progresses, he has become more and more insightful about the game's nuances and games within the game. So when he speaks, it's worth listening. There will be no outrageousness, and no fudging of the truth either. Monday, Thomas spoke with the media for the first time since training camp began, touching on two issues of interest -- the running game and Brian Hoyer (he was not crusading for Hoyer, merely answering questions). Thomas spent most of last season talking about the running game being an NFL dinosaur and saying that to win in the modern age teams had to throw the ball. He even went as far as to say he'd never draft a running back in the first round. Now, though, he plays for a team that (assuming Josh Gordon is suspended) will have to run the ball effectively to win. Thomas acknowledged the irony, but added the Kyle Shanahan system -- an offshoot of his father Mike Shanahan -- would have the Browns closer to a 50-50 run-pass split than at any time in his career regardless. He said Shanahan's zone-blocking scheme is dependent on the run because it relies heavily on play-action. "You need to be able to run those wide zones, even if it gets one or zero yards, to keep the safeties up," Thomas said. "It's when they're trying to fill in the run game that you can hit those big plays over the top." Thomas said the Browns and Baltimore (with Shanahan disciple Gary Kubiak as offensive coordinator) are the only two teams to run the zone-blocking system, which requires lateral movement from linemen and a back who can read the hole, plant and hit the hole with authority. Thomas said the zone-blocking scheme is drastically different than anything he's done, but it fits the skills of the team's offensive line better than any system in his career. That's because the Browns have guys who can move in Thomas, Joel Bitonio, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz. "This is in my opinion one of the only schemes that you can run the ball consistently," Thomas said, "because you make those defensive linemen run sideline to sideline. And it does set up the passing game that we run very, very well." Regarding Hoyer, Thomas had nothing but praise. He was careful not to compare Hoyer to Johnny Manziel, or to say that one or the other would start. He simply praised Hoyer as "every bit one of the best competitors in the NFL." "No matter if we drafted a quarterback No. 1 overall, I knew that in his mind he expected to win the job," Thomas said. He added Hoyer is never hesitant or afraid to challenge teammates on the field, and he is much more vocal than it might appear. "He has less starts than probably any guy but a rookie who's out there starting right now," Thomas said. "He commands a level of respect because of the way he goes about his business doing things the right way and acting like he's the starting quarterback that's taken us to five playoffs. "I think it's that attitude and that swagger that demands respect, and he also goes out and he backs it up on the field where he throws the ball to the right person, he's doing the right things, he's getting everybody on the same page. That's just as much the role of the quarterback as throwing touchdown passes." http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/132992/joe-thomas-talks-browns-run-game-hoyer
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My daughter DancinDawg and I have passes for the Monday camp after the Lions game.. I'm thinking they may have a busy day making post game adjustments.. I'm excited and I'll post my observations.
Me & the fiance' will be there too.
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My daughter DancinDawg and I have passes for the Monday camp after the Lions game.. I'm thinking they may have a busy day making post game adjustments.. I'm excited and I'll post my observations.
Me & the fiance' will be there too.
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Did you know your daughter was engaged to Cal?
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j/c I was at camp today. A few random thoughts... Kirksey was the first to really impress me in the blitz-pickup drills. He will surprise some folks this year getting to the QB. Gilbert looked really good. He's a bit taller than Haden but very smooth and fluid. He's quick but it looks effortless. Speaking of effortless....It just pains me to see how freaking good Josh Gordon is out there. He's on another level talent-wise. I just don't understand why the team is practicing him with the 1's out there, unless they know something we don't know. Wouldn't those reps be better served to the new WRs instead? I'm 6'3" 235 lbs and I would NOT want to have anything to do with tackling Terrance West. No thank you. Kid has serious potential. Quick, good hands and a frame that looks more intimidating than Trent Richardson's. I love Johnny-Mania but....Hoyer is going to start. I can't even see ANY competition right now. JFF has a long way to go. He has flashes but Hoyer is the better QB. That's ok with me...let JFF sit and learn for a while and be a better QB in the long run. Nothing but his ego will be hurt. I have more faith in Hoyer now than ever. Even with Gordon out, I think we'll be OK at receiver. Austin and Burleson will fill in. I was actually surprised at how big Austin is. Crossing my fingers he can stay healthy. I didn't get to focus too much on the OL but when I did, Bitonio looked good and had a nice blitz pickup. I think LG is finally solid now. Overall, good vibes from the team and coaches. Optimism reigns supreme as it always does in the off-season 
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Good article on JT.. I appreciate the way the author wrote it, stating the wasn't specifically touting Hoyer over Manziel, just stating his opinion when asked about Hoyer.
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Did you happen to see this Charles Johnson they keep saying might be special (paraphrasing of course)
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Did you happen to see this Charles Johnson they keep saying might be special (paraphrasing of course)
He was held out of practice today.
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Anyone else expecting good things from austin?
I am. I'm just a bit concerned about his speed and a lot concerned about his ability to stay healthy for a full season or even a large portion of it. We need he and Burrelson, (or how ever the hell you spell it cause I'm not looking it up now), to give our younger guys some time before we're forced to call them in to "step it up".
I really don't want to have to start the youngins in game 4.
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Scrolled quickly, didn't see it posted. Team releases joint statement on Pason Pinksotn: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/cleveland_browns_release_joint.html Quote:
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns and Schwartz & Feinsod have released a joint statement on the absence of offensive lineman Jason Pinkston from training camp.
"Cleveland Browns offensive lineman Jason Pinkston has not been medically cleared to participate in football activities," the statement reads. "The team has been in communication with Jason and his representatives and will respect their wishes to not provide any further details at this time."
Head coach Mike Pettine said on Sunday that Pinkston was unavailable and "due to his circumstances I cannot comment on it any further. I want to give you more, but just given the circumstances, I can't. That's where we are with Jason."
Pettine said he did not know when Pinkston will be back, and when asked if Pinkston would be back, he responded, "Possibly."
Pinkston tweeted on Sunday about his absence.
If he'll be back, "possibly". Sounds like Pettine is saying and hinting all that he can legally and within his boundaries, can. Sounds like Jason still has some lingering injury, or new injury?
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2014 Browns training camp snapshot: Day 3 Lineup updates: Rookie cornerback Justin Gilbert, the eighth overall pick in this year’s draft, was among several players who practiced returning kickoffs. However, coach Mike Pettine warned reporters not to pencil in Gilbert for the job. “I think he might be a ‘in case of emergency, break glass’ kick-return guy,” Pettine said. “It’s tough. I think I’d hold my breath or watch with one-and-a-half eyes covered if he was returning the kick.” ... Gilbert has yet to work with the first-team defense consistently. Buster Skrine continued to line up opposite Pro Bowler Joe Haden. In the nickel package, Isaiah Trufant covered the slot. Highs and lows: In 11-on-11 drills, quarterback Brian Hoyer continued to take all of the reps with the first-team offense and completed 12-of-19 passes (63.2 percent) , according to the Beacon Journal’s unofficial count. He connected with wide receiver Anthony Armstrong for about 35 yards along the sideline. Rookie quarterback Johnny Manziel worked with the second-team offense and completed 10-of-15 passes (66.6 percent). But Manziel also took a few virtual sacks and inside linebacker Christian Kirksey intercepted one of his passes. Wide receiver Josh Gordon caught another one for about 30 yards along the sideline on a fade route over cornerback T.J. Heath. ... Gilbert had an interception in a one-on-one drill when he ripped the ball away from slot receiver Andrew Hawkins. He also broke up two more passes — one in a seven-on-seven session and another in an 11-on-11 period. ... Skrine had an interception in one-on-one drills. ... Undrafted rookie quarterback Connor Shaw and undrafted rookie running back Isaiah Crowell fumbled a handoff. ... Hawkins dropped a pass and a kickoff. ... According to the Browns, 3,048 fans attended practice. Injuries: Tight end Gary Barnidge and inside linebacker Tank Carder were activated from the non-football injury list, Barnidge didn’t practice. Carder practiced for the first time this year. He sat out throughout spring practices. ... Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas returned to practice after taking Sunday off to rest. ... Wide receivers Travis Benjamin and Charles Johnson received a planned day off from practice. Tuesday’s schedule: Practice from 9:30 a.m.-12:10 p.m. Tickets via online registration remain for only two practices: Aug. 12-13. Fans can register at www.ClevelandBrowns.com.— Nate Ulrich http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/2014-browns-training-camp-snapshot-day-3-1.508568
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Cleveland Browns ‏@Browns 2m
NEWS: Browns have signed WR Marlon Moore.
Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 59s
#Browns announce they've signed 5 yr veteran WR Marlon Moore, 43 games, two starts, played in 6 gms with 49ers in '13, 8 with Dolphins.
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