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DA threw with anticipation quite a lot, He could pre-read a defense, and could get the ball out quickly. That was one of the big reasons he was sacked so infrequently after taking over for that train wreck Charlie Frye. Remember him being sacked 5 times in a total of 16 drop backs. (10 pass attempts, 5 sacks, and 1 rush) DA was sacked a total of 14 times, despite throwing for an average of 7.2 yards/attempt, with only a 56.5% completion rate. (which is really hard to do)

Unfortunately, once defenses caught on to the fact that he couldn't read a defense in motion, he was in bad shape. He also lacked touch on shorter routes, and his accuracy was questionable at best. However, with Winslow, Edwards, and Joe J, he had great receiver help, and he knew where they would be.

Anticipation was never his problem. Accuracy, touch, and reading a moving defense were far bigger issues for him.


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Agree with the Anderson comments. He did get the ball out quickly. He had his 1st read and would drop back and release. But I don't really see that as anticipation. Or at least the anticipation that I am referring to. What you describe are his pre-snap reads which I consider different. I am considering only after the play develops, a wr running his route and the Qb recognizing - hey, in 3 steps this guy will be open let me throw the ball now as compared to waiting those 3 steps and saying - hey, he is open now, let me throw the ball. Perhaps my spectrum of what I consider anticipation is a little narrow.

Anderson's accuracy was pretty good on the long ball but sketchy at best on shorter patterns. In my mind, his biggest problem was that he could only throw the football one speed. Didn't matter if he was trying to thread it into double coverage 40 yards downfield or dump it off to a wide open rb 4 yards away. When he did try to slow his throw down all accuracy went out the window.

Anyway, enough reliving the gory days of years gone by, Go Hoyer!


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I agree about the anticipation, but not about DA.

You were absolutely right to put Weeden in there, but you should have put in Timid or BQ instead of DA.

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Perhaps on DA my memory isn't as clear as it should be.

I was too young and inexperienced watching qb's to make an assessment on Couch

Most definitely should have went with BQ.


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Apparently Quinn anticipated a lot of receivers running out of bounds.

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I probably should not have even pointed it out because I do agree w/your main point. I didn't want people to get the wrong idea, but they probably would have never made the DA connection anyway, since almost everyone hates the guy. Sorry about that.

I think your main point was a good one. Throwing w/anticipation is extremely important in throwing guys open and making completions. You see guys like Brees, Rodgers, Brady, etc who throw w/great anticipation. Some have great arms like Rodgers, but others like Brees, do not.

This conversation makes me think about the draft and why some of us really wanted Bridgewater. It's the mental aspect of the game. Smart QBs are the guys you want in today's NFL. I am not talking about Wonderlic smart......I am talking about football smart, and throwing w/anticipation falls into that category.

The main thing here is that you made a very astute point about the importance of throwing w/anticipation and how it is even more important than a strong arm. The ultimate hope is to have a guy like Rodgers, Manning, or Luck because they possess both. Unfortunately, those guys are really hard to find.

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On Johnny Manziel's early struggles, and other observations after Week 1 of Browns training camp

Checkpoint No. 1: There are different checkpoints in a training camp and we reached the first one with the Browns’ first off day on Wednesday. When players return on Thursday, they’ll get their first taste of live tackling as intensity inches closer to game-ready.

Here is what we have observed so far:

1. Johnny update: Coach Mike Pettine told me before training camp started that coaches would evaluate Johnny Manziel through the first four days and decide whether he earned first-team reps. The numbers tabulated each day by ESPNCleveland’s Jason Gibbs have not been pretty. Gibbs has charted all plays in 7 on 7 and team drills. Unofficially, Manziel has completed 42 of 85 passes (49.4 percent). He has been “sacked” two times officially. Two other obvious sacks were waved off and resulted in Manziel interceptions. There has been one other interception, four keeper runs by Manziel and three plays aborted by general confusion. Manziel’s only touchdown pass came on a little flip to fullback Ray Agnew off a bootleg. It’s too early to draw conclusions. But it’s nearly impossible to make the case that Manziel has earned first-team reps.

2. Fiercest competition: I love the dynamic at running back. Ben Tate talking tough, rookie Terrance West not backing down. The other backs – Chris Ogbonnaya, Isaiah Crowell, Dion Lewis, Edwin Baker – all fighting for perhaps one roster spot. This is the fiercest competition of any position group. Tate’s edginess is more than just talk. He is starting to remind me of the back who wore his No. 44 in a different era and became the heart and soul of the Browns’ turnaround in the 1980s – Earnest Byner. Tate is much more talented as a runner and seems to have Byner’s, well, earnestness to change the culture of the team from losing to winning. This will be the most improved position group from a year ago.

3. Out of the shadow: Top pick Justin Gilbert affably played second fiddle to Manziel off the field in the weeks after the draft. On the field, Gilbert has showed why he was the team’s top pick. Gilbert looks bigger on the field than his listed measurements of 6-0 and 202 pounds. His athleticism has not been exaggerated. When running with the ball on kickoff returns, he looks like an offensive playmaker gliding through running lanes. Gilbert should be promoted to the first-team defense soon, which would be no knock on Buster Skrine, who continues to improve each year. I’d like to see Skrine moved inside now to have ample time to perfect what is one of the most important positions on the defense. Gilbert has physical skills that not even Joe Haden possesses. There is no doubt in my mind he will start from Day 1.

4. Receiver alert: Slot receiver Andrew Hawkins has been a consistent performer, showing good hands, pinpoint route-running, darting quickness and a work ethic and energy that is infectious. He will be a dependable target for Brian Hoyer. That said, there is nobody out there – besides Josh Gordon – who is going to scare any defense. Nate Burleson, Miles Austin, Anthony Armstrong … none has proved in recent years he can even stay on a field, much less shine on it. Of the rest, Charles Johnson is an engaging and intriguing prospect and has the best athletic skills, but I question whether he can make an impact early. If Gordon somehow beats the rap and does play at all this season, it will make all the other receivers better. Otherwise, this position is still a major concern.

5. Rube awakening: With Phil Taylor still not practicing, Pettine and the coaches have gotten some good looks at Ahtyba Rubin at nose tackle – the position at which he broke into the NFL with the Browns in 2008. Pettine commented on Tuesday, “He’s as good as I’ve had in this system as far as his technique in defending the run.” Rubin has impressed the coaches with his work in the inside run drills. Rubin made an interesting comment on Tuesday, saying “(I’m trying to) let everyone know I’m here and I’m not going anywhere.” That was an apparent reference to frequent speculation that Rubin might be used as trade bait because of the surplus at defensive line. Rubin is in the last year of his contract and carries the fifth-highest salary cap figure ($8.175 million) on the team, but he embodies Pettine’s “play like a Brown” mantra as well as anyone.

6. Quick hits: I’m a little surprised there is no extra punter or kicker, not for competition but to avoid overtaxing the legs of Spencer Lanning and Billy Cundiff … Rookie Joel Bitonio is rock solid at left guard … rookie Chris Kirksey has been very active in the run and pass defense … tight end Jordan Cameron is going to have a bigger year than last season … linebacker Barkevious Mingo looks bigger and much more confident … I interpret the addition of safety Jim Leonhard as Pettine having the roster spot to give a player he truly likes some opportunities on tape to audition for other teams.

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Apparently Quinn anticipated a lot of receivers running out of bounds.




No kidding. Nearly every deep sideline pass that guy threw ended up 10 yards out of bounds....it was sickening.


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Here is what we have observed so far:

1. Johnny update: Coach Mike Pettine told me before training camp started that coaches would evaluate Johnny Manziel through the first four days and decide whether he earned first-team reps. The numbers tabulated each day by ESPNCleveland’s Jason Gibbs have not been pretty. Gibbs has charted all plays in 7 on 7 and team drills. Unofficially, Manziel has completed 42 of 85 passes (49.4 percent). He has been “sacked” two times officially. Two other obvious sacks were waved off and resulted in Manziel interceptions. There has been one other interception, four keeper runs by Manziel and three plays aborted by general confusion. Manziel’s only touchdown pass came on a little flip to fullback Ray Agnew off a bootleg. It’s too early to draw conclusions. But it’s nearly impossible to make the case that Manziel has earned first-team reps.






That sounds horrible.

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j/c...
One thing on Hawkins maybe it was brought up a while ago. I bring it up cause my son is a big time Cowboy fan. They had a reality football show with Michael Irvin and a mess of nobody WRs one was to get a roster spot with the Cowboys.

Well it came down to 2 players. The out right winner by just about all who watched was a diminutive WR. Irvin ended picking the prototype 6'+ 210+ kid instead of better hands better routes better yac small kid. That small player was Hawkins...who is going to be a star for us this season. The one Irvin picked? I think he is parking cars somewhere???



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Not denouncing Quinn's woes...but the king of the 5 yard out of bounds long pass was Wallace.


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Apparently Quinn anticipated a lot of receivers running out of bounds.




No kidding. Nearly every deep sideline pass that guy threw ended up 10 yards out of bounds....it was sickening.




Yeah. More than just running out of bounds, it was like he thought they were headed for the stands.

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At a level of 3 yards down the field.

he has to be the single most disappointing QB we have drafted since 1999. Other s have failed, but he had the best team to break in with, and did nothing. He was supposed to be "NFL Ready" .... and 7 or 8 years later, he's still not ready to play in the NFL. I am amazed that he still find work.


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This was kind of interesting ....

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I interpret the addition of safety Jim Leonhard as Pettine having the roster spot to give a player he truly likes some opportunities on tape to audition for other teams.




I suppose it could be .... but I would hope that we look at players for our team, and not just to give a friend a hand.


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It may be doing a friend a favor but I'm sure the return is having a guy, even short term, that the coach can rely on to help him teach the team 'Coach P's way'.


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Leonard was never known for his raw talents. Its been his anticipation his reads his ability to relate game plan to his studies on the tape then to the field.

Does it mean that much when an avg. speed guy loses a step due to age. He's basically been in this D for quite a while. He's the perfect guy to bring in as a Nickel Safety and can make the coverage calls. You know those heart breaking 3rd n longs that go for first downs!

This is not a give a buddy a pay check move. This is Give us some help NEW TEAM w/NEW D. Heck Mangini brought in one of these guys for each tier of the D I don't think Leonard will start but he will contribute and that is what is important.
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Brady Quinn joins FOX broadcast team

Brady Quinn has not officially announced his retirement from the National Football League, but the veteran quarterback acknowledged he is entering a new "career challenge" with the announcement he will join FOX Sports as a college football and NFL studio and game analyst.

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One thing on Hawkins maybe it was brought up a while ago. I bring it up cause my son is a big time Cowboy fan. They had a reality football show with Michael Irvin and a mess of nobody WRs one was to get a roster spot with the Cowboys.

Well it came down to 2 players. The out right winner by just about all who watched was a diminutive WR. Irvin ended picking the prototype 6'+ 210+ kid instead of better hands better routes better yac small kid. That small player was Hawkins...who is going to be a star for us this season. The one Irvin picked? I think he is parking cars somewhere???








I watched that show from start to finish, totally forgot Hawkins was on it. I kinda liked that show, the NFL should do that every year like Hard Knocks.

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Brady Quinn joins FOX broadcast team





This is fantastic. He has found his true calling as now Brady Quinn can throw it to the sideline (reporter) and it'll be considered a good thing.


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Training Camp Notes: 07.31.2014

BEREA, Ohio — Is it possible that Joe Haden, a veteran member of the Cleveland Browns, has never had the chance to wear one of the infamous orange jerseys? On Thursday afternoon, the Pro Bowl, shutdown corner’s fortunes changed as the Browns’ defensive unit was awarded the kits made popular by such noblemen like William Green and Jeff Garcia. Browns head coach Mike Pettine, as a means to keep adrenaline running during Training Camp, has installed end-of-practice challenges—the winning side of the ball getting to sport orange jerseys during their next time out as a morning-long victory lap, a reminder of which side got the job done when called upon.

What may seem to be a trivial or tacky game, a ploy instilled by a rookie head coach, has not only been embraced by the players, but has resulted in unity between the groups.

“It’s a big deal,” said defensive lineman Billy Winn. “We won the day before. We get to look cool, and have some swag. It’s a fun way of doing things while still allowing us to get our work in.”

Having won Tuesday’s “challenge,” Haden, Winn and the rest of the defensive side of the ball sported the orange jerseys while the offensive side baked in the standard brown. As the requisite hip-hop blared through the complex speakers (More Drake and 2 Pac, a little Rick Ross “Hustlin” and even some Ace Hood with his new Bugatti) and the Browns were donning their pads, there were two separate “live” sessions where there was not only hitting, but players getting taken to the ground. The popping of pads was audible. The fans were energized by every thud. The animation level of the players was noticeably higher—this provided good balance on a day that was otherwise quieted down with the wet blanket known as “special teams implementation.” Browns safety Donte Whitner, when comparing this week to those he has been accustomed to in San Francisco said that Pettine has been trying to send a message. “We’ve had a lot more contact [this week] than we had at all in San Francisco,” he said.

A lot will be written about this year’s team—as a total unit—when compared to the 2013 edition and their play (or lack thereof) in the fourth quarter. In his postgame address, Mike Pettine was quick to point out that all too many games are decided by eight points or less. A team can play well through 36 minutes, only to falter at the end and not make the plays when leverage is the highest. Alas, Thursday’s “challenge” was met with plenty of fan fare—a 3rd-and-2 live-hitting goal line drill wherein little time is left on the clock offense has just one timeout.

“I like it,” said center Alex Mack. “It’s a good example of how one or two plays can determine the outcome of a game. It’s that building up toward the end.”

While Johnny Manziel led the second unit a score, the real challenge would come when the starting units took the field, and would end with big Ishmaa’ily Kitchen—sporting a giant, orange No. 67 jersey—picking up running back Ben Tate and carrying him down the opposite end of the field until the whistles blew—Blindside style. The defensive unit, who was largely overmatched through much of the morning, erupted from the end zone in celebration.

“The offense had the upper hand, but the defense made the plays at the end,” said Pettine. “They’ll be wearing the orange jerseys tomorrow.”

Shortly after practice was concluded, Haden uploaded a picture of himself in the orange No. 23, saying “My first time ever wearing the orange jerseys! Nice!!”

More notes from Thursday’s practice:

• Once again, Jordan Cameron appears to be unguardable. He destroyed Barkevious Mingo early in one-on-one drills and was later the recipient of several passes in the live sessions. He appears ready and willing to be the main target of the passing offense this season as the team prepares to be without Josh Gordon (who was “traveling” today). In the very least, he should draw a safety each time out, opening up lanes for the team’s other receiving options, whomever they may be.

• Justin Gilbert is a big boy. He’s listed at 6-feet, 202 pounds. I’m 6-feet, and just a bit under 200 pounds and he absolutely towers over me (as well as many of the Browns’ receivers). He’s still running with the second team, and had to knock out a few push-ups for dropping an interception, but the kid is a freak. It won’t be long before he’s running with the first unit.



• While Johnny Manziel was clearly running with the second unit (something both he and the coaching staff are downplaying as an indication of standing), there were some first glimpses of designed runs which resulted in Manziel eventually running out of bounds or sliding before a defender could touch him. He was also excellent once again post-practice, saying that the real completion is “me versus the playbook.” The terminology, the verbiage and simply being under center are all things new to him. “It’s a 180 compared to the last few years,” Manziel said. Despite all of the negative things written about the No. 22 pick this week, Pettine believes Manziel is actually ahead of where the team though he would be; Kyle Shanahan stated that he could “imagine” a Manziel-specific package being installed in the event the rookie does not win the starting job.

• The media horde managed to ask Manziel only football-related questions following practice. Growth all around!

• MarQueis Gray will likely be the team’s fullback this season, but if it’s anything like previous Kyle Shanahan offenses, it’ll be more of an H-Back role a la Chris Cooley. The first two live plays from scrimmage resulted in Gray being used through the air—a nice waggle route to the right—as well as the ground. Versatility is key with any player who will be featured this season. Gray, a quarterback turned tight end, exudes this. There were also some speed option plays run, the team really looking to establish the outside run. Compared to last season, any run would be nice.

• Miles Austin looks really, really good. His hand strength was evident on several routes, a couple of which forced him to come back to the ball. He lined up on both sides of the field and won every jump ball thrown his way including one deep ball over Joe Haden.

• Christian Kirksey and Karlos Dansby were the inside linebackers with the starting unit. Kirksey shined once again, breaking up a wheel route down the left sideline intended for running back Isaiah Crowell, and splitting out wide and successfully covering Jordan Cameron in the goal line challenge.

• And finally, veteran safety Jim Leonhard had his first practice with the Browns, being officially signed Wedensday night after a few weeks of deliberation by the team. The team pictures him being used in various multiple-safety situations (which is a change from previous defenses) in addition to special teams. While Travis Benjamin will return punts, Mike Pettine referred to Leonhard as a “punt catcher,” the guy you can pin back there in pooch or high-leverage situations. “We used to joke that he could catch a punt in a hurricane,” said Pettine following practice.

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Browns Camp Report: Day 5

The defense stopped Ben Tate on the last goal-line play to retain the coveted orange jerseys for one more day. The jerseys go to the side of the ball that comes out ahead in the final drill, an emphasis on ending the game well. The run stuff came after a pass breakup was negated by a defensive offside in the full-speed drill. Brian Hoyer scored on two of four plays in his first attempt (both runs), and Johnny Manziel scored on three of four -- with the fourth a near TD broken up by a tough hit from safety Tashaun Gipson. Hoyer got the last three plays. “This is a situation where something is on the line,” coach Mike Pettine said. “As simple as a practice jersey is, it’s good work for us.”

Pettine welcomed old friend Jim Leonhard to the roster. The Browns signed the veteran Wednesday night, and Pettine made it clear it’s to provide depth as a backup to Donte Whitner and Gipson. Pettine said Leonhard, who played for Pettine in New York and Buffalo, would be a core special teamer and a nickel pass defender. He also could be used at safety if the Browns put Whitner near the line. Petine said there’s a lot to like about Leonhard, including his ability to catch a punt; Pettine said he and Rex Ryan used to joke that Leonhard could catch a punt in a hurricane. “He’s smart, he’s tough, he knows the defense,” Pettine said.

Pettine detailed the plan for the team’s intrasquad scrimmage at the University of Arkon on Saturday. The team will eschew kickoffs and kickoff returns and will not tackle quarterbacks. Drives will start at the 20 or 30 and will go until the offense scores or the defense gets a stop. Starters initially will face starters, but Pettine said units would be mixed. Red-zone drills will follow a break.

Guard John Greco and defensive lineman Billy Winn returned to practice, but defensive lineman Phil Taylor was still on the sidelines.

... Pettine admitted the team is trying to massage Miles Austin through camp so he stays healthy for the season. ... Josh Gordon was missing to travel to New York for his much-discussed Friday hearing about his positive drug test. ... On the first two plays of a team drill with tackling, Whitner chased a running back out of bounds and dove at him as he did, then made the next tackle on a swing pass. ... Linebacker Chris Kirksey ran step for step down the sidelines with running back Isaiah Crowell to break up a pass. Crowell cried for the flag, but Kirksey made a nice play. He’s been very active.

The Final Word: “It’s football, tough sport for tough people.” -- Pettine on a big hit by Gipson on tight end Emmanuel Ogbuehi in a goal-line drill.

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Thank you to Pdawg and Pblack for posting those articles.

It was mostly glossed over, but it sounded like the offense had an overall good day today. This was overshadowed by the defense coming up big at the end, but it's encouraging that they're not just being steamrolled by the defense each and every practice.

These reporters are really talking up Gilbert and Kirksey. I'm not really sure how I should feel about that (get excited or ignore).

It would be nice to hear more details about Charles Johnson. The articles I've read so far posted on DT talk a lot about him but don't really say anything at all.

The note about Austin is pretty encouraging.


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Lol, pretty funny... but pretty true!


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The Final Word: “It’s football, tough sport for tough people.” -- Pettine on a big hit by Gipson on tight end Emmanuel Ogbuehi in a goal-line drill.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/6960/browns-camp-report-day-5




Except for Bademosi? Was the difference that Bademosi's was during an unpadded practice?

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one doing his job the way it is suppose to be done...the other being a Practice hero...I hated those guys and rarely did they show up to the game.


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I think it had more to do with one being camp fodder and the other injury prone, gotta protect the 1st stringers.


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Apparently Quinn anticipated a lot of receivers running out of bounds.




Lol, pretty funny... but pretty true!






Speakign of Quinn, looks like his NFL career is over. He is now a Fox Sports analyst... that a boy checkdown Quinn!

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I am amazed that he still find work.




Brady Quinn joins FOX broadcast team





This is fantastic. He has found his true calling as now Brady Quinn can throw it to the sideline (reporter) and it'll be considered a good thing.




All right, dude..........that was pretty funny.

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A lot will be written about this year’s team—as a total unit—when compared to the 2013 edition and their play (or lack thereof) in the fourth quarter. In his postgame address, Mike Pettine was quick to point out that all too many games are decided by eight points or less. A team can play well through 36 minutes, only to falter at the end and not make the plays when leverage is the highest. Alas, Thursday’s “challenge” was met with plenty of fan fare—a 3rd-and-2 live-hitting goal line drill wherein little time is left on the clock offense has just one timeout.




I just used this quote to save space, but the entire article that pblack posted got me fired up.

I know we are supposed to like alternating regimes, but man, I really like Pettine. I am rooting for the guy. He seems to be my kind of coach.

I know, I know................it's too early to tell. We need to wait until the season plays out, but I like his mindset. He is doing things that I always thought were important. We live in a society that has been taken over by soccer moms and competition is frowned upon. Accountability is frowned upon. Respect is frowned upon. Work ethic is ignored. Man, I think this guy gets all of this old-school concepts. He looks the part. He is talking the part. Thus far, he is acting the part.

Come on, Pettine..................kick some freaking butt and let's get this thing done. I'm backing you. Just don't be stupid about the QB and RB positions. Play who is best and not who the FO and media want you to play.

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Browns training camp snapshot: Day 5

Highs and lows: The Browns ended practice with another competition between the offense and defense. The session featured live tackling, and orange jerseys were the rewards for the victors. With the ball on the 2-yard line, the offense had three chances to score, but it couldn’t reach the end zone. On the first attempt, running back Chris Ogbonnaya was tackled short of the goal line. On the second try, rookie inside linebacker Chris Kirksey broke up quarterback Brian Hoyer’s pass to tight end Jordan Cameron in the end zone, but Kirksey was penalized for interference. On the third attempt, nose tackle Ishmaa’ily Kitchen and inside linebacker Karlos Dansby combined to stuff a run by Ben Tate. The defense prevailed again and will wear orange jerseys Friday. ... Hoyer completed 7-of-14 passes in 11-on-11 drills and rookie Johnny Manziel went 5-of-9 with a touchdown to tight end Jim Dray in a goal-line session. ... In other team drills, Manziel failed to catch a shotgun snap within his reach, allowing outside linebacker Jabaal Sheard to recover the fumble in an 11-on-11 drill. ... Defensive back T.J. Heath intercepted a pass from Tyler Thigpen after it hit the hands of undrafted rookie receiver Willie Snead. ... Defensive lineman Jacobbi McDaniel recovered a fumbled snap by Thigpen. ... In seven-on-seven drills, Hoyer connected with receiver Miles Austin on a nice back-shoulder throw, and Manziel hooked up with tight end Gary Barnidge on a deep post. In the same period, rookie cornerback Pierre Desir broke up a pass from undrafted rookie quarterback Connor Shaw. ... According to the Browns, 3,770 fans attended practice.

Injuries: Guard John Greco and defensive end Billy Winn were activated from the non-football injury list and practiced for the first time since camp started. ... Dansby returned to practice after sitting out Tuesday to rest. ... Inside linebackers Darius Eubanks and Tank Carder and offensive lineman Randall Harris joined the other injured players who have been sidelined.

Friday’s schedule: Practice from 9:30 a.m.-12:10 p.m.

— Nate Ulrich

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-training-camp-snapshot-day-5-1.509362


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Apparently Quinn anticipated a lot of receivers running out of bounds.




No kidding. Nearly every deep sideline pass that guy threw ended up 10 yards out of bounds....it was sickening.




Actually Seneca Wallace look for the out of bounds sideline route more than any QB I SAW.

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Yeah, Wallace was the King of throwing it into the stands and then standing outside of the huddle during TV timeouts. I don't think we've ever had a bigger butthole playing for us than him.

One other note................from the reports and from something I noticed last year. I really like that Kitchen guy. Am I spelling it right? He is a load. Kinda short. Extremely wide. Great motor. Mean streak. Plays under control. Great situational guy.

I am really hoping we put Reubs and him at NT and put Taylor [when he is able] at DE. Actually, I am hoping that we trade Taylor for a big time WR or ILBer, even though I know that won't happen. The guy is mean. He is tough. He could be very, very good. He just doesn't discipline himself enough. Out of shape. Mentally weak. Can't count on him.

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Kitchen is a good Youngstown kid.

We are going to wind up cutting (or trading) a really good DL this year. I don't think that it;s going to be Rubin.


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Browns Training Camp Day 6:

* Take that: Frustrated by a camp-long domination by the defense, the offense had a little fun on Friday. At times it appeared the practice script called for work on touchdown demonstrations. Willie Snead spiked one ball in the end zone after one catch. After another, Anthony Armstrong turned and launched the ball into the second story of the corporate VIP chalet. Nate Burleson tucked the ball under his jersey after one TD catch and gestured to the crowd. And Johnny Manziel, after trotting into the end zone on a quarterback draw, aimed the football at the crossbar like he was shooting a short jumper. The last act drew an automatic flag from the NFL officials on hand. A new rule, spurred by Jimmy Graham’s game-delaying goalpost dunk last year, now classifies the goalpost as a prop. Using it in a TD demonstration brings an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. “I needed to do a better job explaining the rule to them,” coach Mike Pettine said. “I’d rather learn the lesson at practice and use it as a coaching moment than in a game.” Pettine wasn’t bothered at all by the newfound exuberance displayed by the offense. “I think they were a little frustrated over time with the defensive backs, (who) had been very physical with them and had won a lot of battles. I think that just spilled over. Any time they had a chance to get in the end zone they wanted to make sure everybody knew it,” Pettine said. Receiver Andrew Hawkins said, “Sometimes when you get in these situations where you’re doing so much stuff and it’s monotonous every single day, it’s good to rev it up a little bit and get a little enthusiasm out of everybody.”

* Family Fun, team fun: Saturday’s scrimmage in InfoCision Stadium in Akron will simulate some game conditions. Pettine said first “rack” of plays would pit the No. 1 units against each other, but he didn’t know yet how he would divide reps after that. Each “rack” of plays would end with some sort of kick – extra point, field goal or punt. Tackling will be live except on punts and quarterbacks. Pettine said he will be looking for “who can step up and make plays in a live situation. Just about everything so far has been scripted. This is now just a true, unscripted period.” The scrimmage comes at a good time for Manziel, who has struggled in the tight structure of practice. The chance to return to game-time situations might loosen up Manziel, though Pettine cautioned, “Some of the things that he was maybe able to escape from in college may be whistled dead in the scrimmage.” All 25,000 free tickets to the scrimmage have been distributed, so there is no walk-up admittance without a ticket.

* More fun: Pettine’s “challenge period” at the end of practice consisted of offensive and defensive coaches trying to catch knuckleball punts from Spencer Lanning. In the fourth round, defensive line coach Anthony Weaver made the first drop. Then offensive intern Mike LeFleure made the catch for the win, earning the offense the right to wear orange jerseys at Monday’s practice. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan drew some laughs with a spin-and-spike routine after making his catch.

* Brownie bits: Safety Tashaun Gipson walked off the field after suffering a knee injury. He was led inside with a trainer. Pettine had no information other than to say, “He’s being evaluated.” … Good timing on the Jim Leonhard signing … Manziel worked again exclusively with the second team.
Pettine wanted practice to end on a successful long field goal. Billy Cundiff missed wide right from 51 yards, banged the right upright again from 51 yards, missed wide right from 46 yards before nailing one through from 46 on his fourth try.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=35341


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Cundiff isn't a bad kicker, but he got a bad case of the yips a couple years ago. Let's hope these are just anomalies.


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