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Also known as "Fletch/Jaft/Vers telling us we're all idiots thread"
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Wow. You guys never stop. 
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C'mon, Mr. Basketball, he was coming strong with his takes on Wiggens and the Princeton offense.
Anyone a tad burnt out in following the wild speculation? After LeBron Watch, I'm too tired to focus on every tweet. Starting to think more and more that Love is an issue of when not if at this point, anyway.
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You guys are so gutty. Several against one. Behind a screen.
Gutless!
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Anthony Bennett can breathe now
July 24, 2014 by Craig Lyndall 19 Comments
Even as I used the word “bust” in talking about Anthony Bennett during his rookie year, I can be reasonable. I’m not a “no excuses” guy. Sometimes injuries and health are legitimate reasons why a player struggles. Bennett was coming off of a shoulder surgery while also battling asthma and sleep apnea. During the offseason, he had surgery to remove his tonsils and adenoids. The resulting Bennett in summer league was much thinner, faster, and more athletic because his breathing was better.
“It acted up at times,” Bennett said. “There’d be times I was playing good, I wouldn’t really notice it. And then there’d be other times where it was real hard to breathe. But I just tried to push through it and do the best I can.”
What remains to be seen is if the Cavaliers will be the beneficiaries of the new and improved Bennett. Bennett’s name frequently comes up with Andrew Wiggins as a possible piece in a Kevin Love deal.
Because of the mitigating factors surrounding Anthony Bennett’s rookie year, it feels like the Cavaliers might be selling low if they trade Bennett before we get a chance to see him play this year. I guess Kevin Love is worth it, but for the first time since he’s been a Cavalier, Anthony Bennett makes me wonder at least just a little bit.
I know very little about Bennett. Anyone have a take on this?
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It has nothing to do with guts.
People are mocking you because of your content. It's not some planned attempt to gang up on you. It's a natural reaction to you coming in here with lowest common denominator arguments like 'Wiggens fits the Princeton better than Parker' or 'I guess most of you like dunks and athleticism, but I prefer Euro ball' and 'guys what about the article I posted?' For the last month, almost every post of yours pertained to an offense we won't be running.
And when people like Top or King or YTown or cfrs or myself tried to educate you, you would blow your stack and tell us to F off or take digs at us for not being employed.
You made an ass out of yourself. That's why you're being mocked. Not because a bunch of gutless keyboard cowboys decided to gang up on you.
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His future in the NBA is as a stretch 4 if he progresses.
He'll probably never be a competent defender, but best case, he can stretch the floor. Hus shot is still ugly as hell, but those things take years.
He looked like a new man in summer ball, but he still has a long way to go.
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What makes you think your opinion is so important? Seriously?
I have read your BB posts and I think you read a lot of articles but have never played or coached the game.
Am I wrong?
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Btw-------------I never said Wiggins fits our offense better than Parker. I said that I preferred Parker over Wiggins.
We will be running a version of the Princeton offense. Not THEE Princeton offense, but we will utilize aspects of that particular offense, including the floor spacing, backdoor cuts, multiple screens from the bumper position, the high weave, etc.
Love fits that offense way better than Wiggins does. There isn't a doubt. You guys can talk all the crap you want and dismiss Coach K's opinion, but it's more of the same...you just talk a lot and you talk like you are an authority when in truth, you never played the game, did you?
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What makes you think your opinion is so important? Seriously?
I don't. You seem to, though.
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And you guys say you are talking BB. Pfffftttt.............you are lame ass bullies. Strength in numbers. Cowards.
Lame ass bullies? You want me to pull up your quotes from the last thread?
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Okay, this is getting out of hand. Come on guys. Once you get to the "let's meet up and fight" on a message board that should let you know it's gone too far. Okay? 
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I am not going to let this one go so easily since you guys started this thread w/all you crap insults......................did either of you EVER play the game or coach the game? I am not talking about in your driveway. I am talking about did you play college BB? Did you even play high school BB? How about Middle School?
Tell me, did you ever coach the game. No, I am not talking about Play Station? Were you ever paid to coach the game?
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You should check your PMs. I addressed your questions
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Lame ass bullies? You want me to pull up your quotes from the last thread?
Sure. And then pull your own.
You start crap and then act like I should not respond. Look at your last post in the previous thread and your first post in this thread. I didn't even say a freaking word. You start crap and then turn it around.
And where did you play BB? LOL ---------------"it's about fear...."
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Uhmmm...........you realized you just proved my point, right? LOL
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You should check your PMs. I addressed your questions
Why can't you say it publicly? Is that you, Coach Cal? :P
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Good god All 3 of you are being ridiculous and childish. It's pretty pathetic. I, as well as many I am sure, are sick of it. Be Men and take it to PM's so we don't have to see it
Bygones are bygones, forget what anyone said or did. It really doesn't f'ing matter.
With that being said.....
Love is great fit. No one on this board will contest that. LeBron and Love is a sick combo. Nobody in the NBA compliments LeBron's play better than Love. That is a fact.
What killed Miami, and can kill Cleveland's hope of a dynasty, is if we land Love what are we givin up to aquire him. Vers, you are 100% correct. Love on this team is absolute money, but if we give up the farm to obtain him, we are screwing ourselves for the future. We need to be smart and do everything we can to get Love to come to Cleveland, but we also need to realize that we can't mortgage the future for one player. LeBron is finishing his career in Cleveland. No way he releases a letter like that and balks after 1 or 2 seasons. We need to take advantage of his commitment and build for the now as much as the future. If we don't land Love this year, we will next year without expending valuable resources. My opinion of course.
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Let's let that one go. I don't wanna see anyone suspended even if they do get on my nerves. Many of us get emotional at times.
I think Top and I got it settled.
Let's talk BB.
You guys know better than me..............I haven't seen the Cavs play much the last few years. How are Kyrie and Waiters going to fit into our new offense?
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How are Kyrie and Waiters going to fit into our new offense?
That's going to be a tough question to answer -- Especially with Kyrie because it all depends if he buys into his new role of playing without the ball.
The staple of the offense will be the pick and roll with LeBron/Andy. Kyrie is going to have to get better at moving off the ball to get his shots -- Something he hasn't done much of. If he buys into that role, he has the shooting ability to really thrive.
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Yeah.............good answer. Like I said, I haven't seen much of the Cavs because they weren't on TV in SC. However, I was talking to my brother and nephew about it and I read some of your guys comments and other articles and that is the opinion I formed...second hand.
So............now what do we have to do? Do you guys think LeBron can get Kyrie to see it the right way? Do you think bringing Love in would help w/that? Do you guys think that Kyrie and Waiters can ever coexist in a positive manner?: I don't know the answer to those questions and perhaps no one does, but it seems important, and y'all have a better handle on it than I do.
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His future in the NBA is as a stretch 4 if he progresses.
He'll probably never be a competent defender, but best case, he can stretch the floor. Hus shot is still ugly as hell, but those things take years.
He looked like a new man in summer ball, but he still has a long way to go.
After looking like the Sta Puft Marshmallow Man last year, he came into the Summer league looking almost chiseled this year. He seems to understand how to get in position for the rebound, but his shot is still a work in progress. I would have liked to see him attack the hoop a bit more in the Summer League games, but overall he looked a lot better than last year.
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July 24, 2014 by Craig Lyndall 19 Comments
Even as I used the word “bust” in talking about Anthony Bennett during his rookie year, I can be reasonable. I’m not a “no excuses” guy. Sometimes injuries and health are legitimate reasons why a player struggles. Bennett was coming off of a shoulder surgery while also battling asthma and sleep apnea. During the offseason, he had surgery to remove his tonsils and adenoids. The resulting Bennett in summer league was much thinner, faster, and more athletic because his breathing was better.
“It acted up at times,” Bennett said. “There’d be times I was playing good, I wouldn’t really notice it. And then there’d be other times where it was real hard to breathe. But I just tried to push through it and do the best I can.”
What remains to be seen is if the Cavaliers will be the beneficiaries of the new and improved Bennett. Bennett’s name frequently comes up with Andrew Wiggins as a possible piece in a Kevin Love deal.
Because of the mitigating factors surrounding Anthony Bennett’s rookie year, it feels like the Cavaliers might be selling low if they trade Bennett before we get a chance to see him play this year. I guess Kevin Love is worth it, but for the first time since he’s been a Cavalier, Anthony Bennett makes me wonder at least just a little bit.
I know very little about Bennett. Anyone have a take on this?
I agree whole heartedly. Too many are writing him off as a bust
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Let's let that one go. I don't wanna see anyone suspended even if they do get on my nerves. Many of us get emotional at times.
I think Top and I got it settled.
Let's talk BB.
You guys know better than me..............I haven't seen the Cavs play much the last few years. How are Kyrie and Waiters going to fit into our new offense?
Thats the thing we are trying to get through to you. There is not a system they have to fit into. A system will be developed to fit their capabilities. I expect to see a lot of pick and roll for Kyrie and Bron. You have Lebron on your team, you are going to run some ISO, you are going to run a LOT of ISO. Its not going to be the Mike Browns clear out and everyone watch Lebron though.
I see Waiters getting a lot of minutes by backing up the 1 and the 2.
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Lebron just tweeted that he is going back to 23
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I like it, just because i have several 23 jerseys..lol, but I'm suprised he didn't go with 32 or 6 just from a marketing standpoint. Everyone would have to buy new jersey's. Though i think he'll be fine in that department. But no doubt he prob would have sold more as 32 or 6
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I like it, just because i have several 23 jerseys..lol, but I'm suprised he didn't go with 32 or 6 just from a marketing standpoint. Everyone would have to buy new jersey's. Though i think he'll be fine in that department. But no doubt he prob would have sold more as 32 or 6
I kinda figured he would I wasn't buying him wearing a 3rd number, and I think the whole finishing what you started probably plays into it.
I also think he wants one number in the rafters of the Q. Two would seem stupid.
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I like it, just because i have several 23 jerseys..lol, but I'm suprised he didn't go with 32 or 6 just from a marketing standpoint. Everyone would have to buy new jersey's. Though i think he'll be fine in that department. But no doubt he prob would have sold more as 32 or 6
I kinda figured he would I wasn't buying him wearing a 3rd number, and I think the whole finishing what you started probably plays into it.
I also think he wants one number in the rafters of the Q. Two would seem stupid.
He's probably going to own the Cavs someday so he can retire both if he wants to.
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Yeah, definitely. I just think having 2 numbers up there seems dumb. I'd rather have just the one.
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Pluto article about the Cavs and Love: Quote:
Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
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on July 26, 2014 at 8:58 AM, updated July 26, 2014 at 4:28 PM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Talking about excitement over the Browns, the ramifications about the Cavs and Kevin Love, and the Tribe as the trading deadline looms on July 31:
ABOUT KEVIN LOVE
1. The Cavs definitely want Kevin Love, and the Minnesota forward really wants to play for the Cavs. Nothing new in that news. The issue is the details, and there are a lot of them in a trade of this magnitude.
2. Love is guaranteed $15.7 million this season, with a player option for $16.7 million in 2015-16. I wrote a column insisting the Cavs should demand Love pick up his option before making a deal.
3. Talking to some NBA executives, that could be a problem. One executive explained how the best move for Love may be to come to the Cavs on the current deal -- no changes. He becomes a free agent in 2015, then signs a five-year deal for the maximum (could be more than $100 million) to stay here.
4. The new labor agreement allows players to sign a five-year deal (once they are free agents) with their current teams. If they switch teams, the longest contract is four years. It's why Carmelo Anthony ended up returning to New York. That's where he could get the most cash -- $25 million more than elsewhere.
5. If Love picks up his option for 2015-16 this summer, the most that a team can immediately add is a two-year extension. I know, this gets complicated. The point is there are a variety of reasons for Love to keep his current deal, and then hit the open market in 2015.
6. I'm hearing Love will not pick up his option -- that he would prefer to go to the Cavs on his current deal, then presumably enjoy being successful playing with LeBron James. Remember, he also has done a commercial with Kyrie Irving. He sees marketing possibilities in Cleveland -- along with a chance to win big.
7. I'm hearing the Cavs realize they may have to accept Love's current deal and gamble on him enjoying playing in Cleveland and with James. Then they will try to sign him for a maximum deal in 2015. So don't be shocked if a deal is made with his contract situation staying the same.
8. I've been told the team hasn't had any real talks with Minnesota Love for at least a week. Minnesota certainly enjoys all the rumors. Team president/coach Flip Saunders knows he has to make the right deal. The former Cuyahoga Heights star is taking over a 40-42 team that wants the playoffs this season. That's why the Wolves pursued a deal with Golden State starting with Klay Thompson and David Lee -- two established scorers.
9. But if you're new Warriors coach Steve Kerr, the reason you trade for Love is to win now. Giving up Thompson is not the way to do it. That's why Kerr has countered with Harrison Barnes and Lee. Barnes is no longer considered a top prospect. He averaged 9.5 points and shot .399 from the field (.347 on 3-pointers). He has trouble creating his own shots.
10. That's why a Cleveland offer of Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and draft picks presents a bit of a problem for Minnesota. If the Wolves do want to make the playoffs, it's doubtful this trade delivers. Wiggins oozes athleticism, but he remains a raw talent at 19. Asking him to play a significant scoring role immediately is probably too much.
11. If I'm Saunders, I'm asking for Dion Waiters, Bennett and Wiggins. I know the Cavs want Love, and I want at least one proven NBA talent -- and that's Waiters.
12. No clue how the Cavs would respond, but don't be surprised if it comes up.
13. In terms of what is best for Wiggins' career, it's staying put. Because of James, Kyrie Irving and other veterans, he would not be expected to deliver a lot on offense. His role would be to defend, to fly down the court on the fast break and fit in with an emerging playoff team.
14. In Minnesota, Wiggins will be the focal point of media and fan attention. Not so here -- and James would be an excellent role model for the 6-foot-8 shooting guard/small forward.
15. Chicago is supposedly talking about a package with Taj Gibson, Doug McDermott and Nikola Mirotic. McDermott and Mirotic are both rookies, although Mirotic has had a good career in Europe.
16. For now, Minnesota will not trade Love to the Cavs unless Wiggins is part of the package. I keep hearing that over and over from several places. I also hear that the Cavs love Wiggins, but also know the best chance for a title is in the next few years. Love is a far better bet to win now.
17. Minnesota could keep Love and try to win as many games as possible, then work a sign-and-trade next summer. It's doubtful Minnesota will go in that direction, but it is being discussed.
18. The other possibility is a mid-season trade. But that runs the risk of Love being injured. Odds are a deal is done before training camp.
19. Signing Wiggins to his rookie contract has cooled talks because he can't be traded for at least 30 days. There will a lot of rumors (good, bad and flat out fabrication) before this issue is settled.
ABOUT THE LITTLE DEALS
1. Most fans know that General Manager David Griffin created about $3.3 million in salary cap room when he traded Carrick Felix to Utah for three players on non-guaranteed contracts. They can be used in a trade. But in 60 days (starting Sept. 23), that $3.3 million is worth about $5 million in salary-cap room. Don't ask why, it's way too complicated.
2. By mid-season, that same $3.3 million is worth about $6.5 million. The NBA salary cap makes the IRS code look like a game of tic-tac-toe.
3. The Cavs' acquisition of center Brendan Haywood is also a valuable trade asset despite missing all of last season with a major foot injury. He wants to play this year, but may not be ready for training camp. His contract pays him $2 million this season, but with a non-guaranteed $10 million in 2015-16. Such a deal could be coveted by an NBA team needing to clean up a salary-cap mess.
4. The Cavs do hope Haywood can come back. The 7-footer has been a decent backup center for 12 seasons. The team desperately needs size. But if he can't play, his contract still has value.
5. To make the Haywood and Felix deals, the Cavs added cash. Owner Dan Gilbert paid $3.3 million to make them happen. That is the most an NBA team can pay in deals in a year.
ABOUT THE CAVS
1. The Cavs are looking for big men to protect the rim. If Haywood can't play, the only center with NBA experience is Anderson Varejao. The veteran power forwards are Tristan Thompson and Anthony Bennett.
2. The Cavs added rookie Dwight Powell in a deal. He is 6-foot-11, 240 pounds. At Stanford, he averaged 14.1 points, 6.9 rebounds and 3.1 assists. He led his team in assists, and was second in scoring and rebounding.
He was one of only three players at the NBA combine to measure at least 6-11 in shoes, so he has real size. His strength needs work.
3. Powell can be a power forward who has a knack of passing. He joined the summer league team late because of the deal. He played only 11 minutes without a point in his first two games. But in the third game, he had 15 points and nine rebounds in 24 minutes. While credited with only two assists, the Cavs love how he moved the ball.
4. With Tyler Zeller traded to Boston in the salary-cap-clearing deal to sign James, the Cavs have an opening for a young big man -- and Powell is a candidate.
5. The Cavs were impressed with how Wiggins didn't seem bothered by the trade rumors. He played his best two summer league games after they came out. In his last two games, he was 7-of-15 from the field (17-of-23 at the foul line), averaging 15.5 points. It was as if Wiggins proving the point that he was a good player, no matter where he plays this season.
6. In his first two games, Wiggins was 10-of-29 from the field, 2-of-11 on 3-pointers. Coach David Blatt insisted he drive to the rim. It changed his game.
7. Wiggins is not a polished player. His jumper is very iffy. At 200 pounds on his 6-foot-8 frame, he's very slight. While he loves to defend, physical small forwards could give him problems. No one should view him as an instant star. He's 19, and not a LeBron James 19. He's a physically gifted teenager.
8. For all the hype, Wiggins did not make the first or second All-Summer League teams in Las Vegas. Patience is the key.
9. The Cavs really liked second-rounder Joe Harris, and want the 6-6 guard from Virginia to shoot more. Too often, he made a nice cut around a pick -- caught a pass -- and then didn't take the open 18-footer. He was "too unselfish."
10. Harris averaged 7.8 points and shot 40 percent from the field and 3-point range.
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I think that this could actually benefit the Cavaliers, because if Love will not be anything more (guaranteed, at least) than a 1 year rental, then that should drive the price to acquire him down.
The Cavaliers can take the tact that there are no guarantees if they trade for Love, so they are not going to give up huge chunks of their future. They will make a serious offer for Love, but they will not give up everything on a risky proposition.
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I don't think it drives down the price too much, not where wiggins is concerned. I think MN will wait until deadline or at worst, they just keep him and work out a sign/trade when he hits FA. ala what lebron did. I hear reports of it might be wiggins, waiters, and bennet plus a pick..screw that..i just move on.
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My point is that if Love comes out and publicly says that he will not exercise his option for next year, (which he has) then he is, essentially, a 1 year rental, for any team that trades for him. They may hope to re-sign him, but Now Cleveland may have a better chance of doing so than more, but there are no guarantees. The trade has to be treated as a 1 year rental ..... because there is no guarantee of anything beyond that.
I think that Cleveland can afford to go slightly beyond rental cost ..... but not into "give up the farm" territory. The significant likelihood is that Love would re-sign here, but we can't just assume that.
Minnesota knows that too.
Further, for all of the risk that Cleveland takes in not dealing for Love right away, Minnesota takes risk too.
1st of all, Love could get hurt. He has a history of injury. If Love gets hurt, getting much of anything for him reverts to a pipe dream.
Minnesota is banking on Cleveland needing Love so much that they will overpay horribly. Cleveland has several young players, who will play if a trade for Love doesn't happen. What if they play at such a level that Cleveland decides that there is no way they will trade them? Then a trade for Love either moves onto smaller pieces, or to another team. Maybe no one wants to give up more than pieces at that point. It's not out of the question. Lebron has a tendency of making the players around him better.
There are a whole lot of things that can happen.There are no guarantees. Minnesota is in the weird position of holding power, and also being in great danger of losing it all. If they don't trade Love, then he will just leave. There are a ton of moving pieces here, and right now, I think that they favor the Cavaliers.
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A 1-year rental of KL is okay as long as Wiggins isn't part of that deal. I don't want to give up his future so that KL can walk to LA or Boston after one season.
To be honest, I'm not sure who has the leverage right now, which is probably why a deal hasn't been made.
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That is my point.
There is no need for the Cavaliers to rush into a bad deal just for the sake of making a deal.
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A 1-year rental of KL is okay as long as Wiggins isn't part of that deal. I don't want to give up his future so that KL can walk to LA or Boston after one season.
To be honest, I'm not sure who has the leverage right now, which is probably why a deal hasn't been made.
If he wanted to go to LA or Boston why wouldn't he say those are one of the teams he would work on a deal with??
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