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There was a Woj report that the draft pick we are trading is the 1st rounder that Miami owes us for .... (snicker) Lebron. It is a top 10 protecte pick, and that is the only pick we have with the protection of top 10 only.
We will also have our 1st rounder, and a 1st rounder from Memphis, protected this year for 1-5 and 15-30. (or something like that) Eventually the protections wear off on that draft pick, though, and it can become unprotected by 2018 or 2019.
We still have $3 million in non guaranteed deals, and a $3 million trade exception fro t he Gee trade. Next year we'll have out 1st rounders, and Boston's 2nd, (whch should be better than ours) and Haywood's non guaranteed $10 million contract, which he'll never see, but which we can use in a lopsided trade.
Man .... think about all of that for a minute ..... we have Kyrie, Lebron, Love, Waiters, Thompson, Andy, and still have major assets to use to make more moves.  Wow!  
im thinking we'll need to use those 3 mill in non guaranteed deals to get the salarys to match in the love deal?
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so f Memphis craps the bed we could have the 6th pick plus our first rounder next year... am I reading that right?
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im thinking we'll need to use those 3 mill in non guaranteed deals to get the salarys to match in the love deal?
No, with the tax cap quite a bit higher than the salary cap, we don't need to trade anything more than Bennett and Wiggins to make the trade work.
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Trying to convince my dad and brother that getting Love for two guys who have done less than zilch in the NBA, and a pick we may never even have recieved, is a great deal, is a lot harder that I thought...
Ask them who they would rather have in hindsight, Pedro Martinez or Jaret Wright?
Kevin Love is Pedro Martinez. Wiggins and Bennett are Jaret Wright.
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Trying to convince my dad and brother that getting Love for two guys who have done less than zilch in the NBA, and a pick we may never even have recieved, is a great deal, is a lot harder that I thought...
Ask them who they would rather have in hindsight, Pedro Martinez or Jaret Wright?
Kevin Love is Pedro Martinez. Wiggins and Bennett are Jaret Wright.
Maybe.
You never know how trades will work out, or how young players will develop.
Injuries and player development, along with how pieces fit together all impact how a trade works out. Every trade is different. We hope that Kevin Love is Pedro Martinez ...... but he does have a worrisome injury history that cannot be ignored. Wiggins does have some special physical talents that go far above those of most NBA players. All I hope is that love fits with the Cavaliers, and helps us win a championship or 3. (I want at least one more than Miami got  ) If that happens, then I'll be fine with the trade, even if Wiggins becomes a top end NBA player. (and maybe we'll be able to lure him back to town later anyway ...... Minny doesn't have a great history of keeping their players)
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even if Wiggins becomes a top end NBA player. (and maybe we'll be able to lure him back to town later anyway ...... Minny doesn't have a great history of keeping their players)
I was honestly thinking the same thing.
Let them sit through the rookie years and maybe we get him back in a few seasons. He may have developed a desire to play with Lebron during his time here
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No, with the tax cap quite a bit higher than the salary cap, we don't need to trade anything more than Bennett and Wiggins to make the trade work.
so we have about 6 million available we could trade for a center if needed...wonder who's available for that range...we def. need one
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Greg Oden is available. . .
As is Andrew Bynum. . .
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And Shaq
At this point Shaq is probably a better option than the two I mentioned.
I wonder if the Knicks would be willing to trade Samuel Dalembert, I know they are trying to shed payroll.
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but are those transition passes going to work in our Princeton Offense??
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but are those transition passes going to work in our Princeton Offense??
You still have the nerve to mock me after what just transpired? Seriously?
What transpired that made you look like less of a clown in NBA threads?
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J/C Aaron Craft has a partially guaranteed deal with Golden State. Fantastic for him that he'll have the opportunity to not only play on a NBA team, but one with as talented a backcourt as they have. I am sure that he'll bring the intensity in practice and that could only help Curry & Klay in games. http://www.si.com/nba/2014/08/08/golden-state-warriors-sign-aaron-craft
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Doesn't matter. The purple Princeton post was unnecessary and pointless.
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Doesn't matter. The purple Princeton post was unnecessary and pointless.
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And Shaq
At this point Shaq is probably a better option than the two I mentioned.
I dunno, I think Greg Oden still has some fight left in him.
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And Shaq
At this point Shaq is probably a better option than the two I mentioned.
I dunno, I think Greg Oden still has some fight left in him.
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At this point Shaq is probably a better option than the two I mentioned.
I dunno, I think Greg Oden still has some fight left in him.
 But I get what you were saying.
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Greg Oden is available. . .
As is Andrew Bynum. . .
Didn't Oden just get arrested for domestic abuse, or something? 
I might be willing to take a shot with him is he hadn't.
Oh, never mind ..... I didn't realize we were into sarcasm range. I try to stay away from sarcasm with domestic abuse.
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Gee another insult. How refreshing. What transpired? Really? 
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j/c ... And for those who keep trying to push the whole, "Lebron has the two year contract with the opt out so he can hold Gilbert's feet to the fire and leave again" ... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...-235456590.html"I'm not going anywhere ever again," James said. "I don't have the energy (for free agency)."
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he also mentioned that he's a "businessman" which if you put all of that together and then translate it "i'm here for good, but i'm getting PAID"
I never understood the sentiment that he's taking the shorter deal to somehow keep Dan Gilbert on a leash. Dan Gilbert, say what you want, has never been an owner to worry about. He did everything possible while Lebron was with the Cavs, and when he left, he made a few moves that financially put a burden on the team, but were best for the future. Taking on Baron Davis' deal to get what would turn out to get us Irving, taking on extra money to get that Memphis pick, which is still up in the air but could be HUGE for this team going forward in so many different ways...
You can say a ton about Dan GIlbert, but you cannot say that he isn't committed to winning. He had to swallow his pride the last few years, but he's the one that is laughing his balls off right now. I don't think Lebron needs to worry that he's going to turn into Mickey Arison and start amensty-ing key rotational guys.
Lebron did this solely for getting his payday, which he 100% deserves. Considering that they're about to get a top 10-15 player about to his his prime, a 22 year old point guard who hasn't sniffed his, and a group of guys with lots of room for improvement, as well as future draft picks, I think it's safe to say that the Cavs don't need to worry about cap room all that much in the future. They are good in-house, and they've got other resources down the line. I'm not worried about the cap space that our big 3 will be taking up.
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I don't know if MLB and NBA rules would allow it, but I'd love to see Dan Gilbert buy the Indians.
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That's good news and I hope it's true. I think him staying here is really important in making sure Love agrees to re-sign w/the Cavs.
I am still very excited about what the Cavs are doing. We really have a tremendous shot at winning the championship for the next few years. It's amazing.
We do have concerns about chemistry and defense. I think Blatt's system and having LeBron will help the chemistry and I think our guys are athletic enough to be decent defensively. The effort is going to have to improve to win a championship. I remember when LeBron came into the league. He was terrible on defense his first couple of years.
Does anyone know if Haywood is a good post defender?
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Forget about it as long as he holds a stake in a casino.
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It is hard to say what Haywood is at this point.
He has had a stress fracture in his foot that caused him to miss all of last year, , so it's hard to say how he comes back. Before the stress fracture, IIRC, he was a guy who could play some defense, and rebound a but, but who isn't going to give much on offense. (which we don't really need at this point)
That stress fracture throws a lot of this year into question though. He'll be traded next year, because of the value his $10 million non guaranteed deal brings. That is where his value is. (although if he does recover, he could be a useful piece on defense)
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I don't know if MLB and NBA rules would allow it, but I'd love to see Dan Gilbert buy the Indians.
Here we go full circle ... 3 months ago, Dan Gilbert was a bum that had turned the Cavs situation into a mess despite two #1 picks. Now he's awesome again.
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Here we go full circle ... 3 months ago, Dan Gilbert was a bum that had turned the Cavs situation into a mess despite two #1 picks. Now he's awesome again.
LOL That's true.
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That may have been the consensus, but you didn't hear that from me. Heck, I pretty much avoided NBA & basketball threads altogether, but you have to be impressed with Gilbert's financial commitment this off-season. I'd like to see the Indians be one of the "Haves" instead of "Have-nots" in MLB for a change.
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It is hard to say what Haywood is at this point.
He has had a stress fracture in his foot that caused him to miss all of last year, , so it's hard to say how he comes back. Before the stress fracture, IIRC, he was a guy who could play some defense, and rebound a but, but who isn't going to give much on offense. (which we don't really need at this point)
That stress fracture throws a lot of this year into question though. He'll be traded next year, because of the value his $10 million non guaranteed deal brings. That is where his value is. (although if he does recover, he could be a useful piece on defense)
Haywood healthy is a force inside...I really hope he gives us something this year..true he's not a scoring option..but we have that covered..I really wanted birdman, he's like andy, just a hustle guy that isn't afraid to stick his hand in there. But I still have hope we can maybe pry a big away from somewhere. right now we have 2 injury prone centers and we all know what happens when you put TT there. Maybe we can pry okafor away.
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Here we go full circle ... 3 months ago, Dan Gilbert was a bum that had turned the Cavs situation into a mess despite two #1 picks. Now he's awesome again.
He might be a moron, but he's never had shallow pockets like the Dolans.
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Anyone else attend the lebron homecoming. It was surreal. you would think it was a superbowl party. But I will say, Lebron truly looked ecstatic to be home..he really enjoyed all the love he was being given. I wasn't sure, but I am now after attending, but he's def. different. He's embraced the area like never before and looks 100% content to be here for good. Last time he was always non committal and aloof when it came to the same matters. But last night he said he is going to retire in cleveland..Don't get much more committed than that..its going to be a crazy 5-6 years.. people will be lining up to come here to get a ring. Like I said before, its different than Miami because we added lebron/Love to a pretty damn good core as it is, plus we retained flexibility for the future...Miami was all in for 2 years and they all knew it was going to blow up sooner rather than later.
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I don't know if MLB and NBA rules would allow it, but I'd love to see Dan Gilbert buy the Indians.
Here we go full circle ... 3 months ago, Dan Gilbert was a bum that had turned the Cavs situation into a mess despite two #1 picks. Now he's awesome again.
He might be a moron, but he's never had shallow pockets like the Dolans.
exactly, hes basically our Cuban, he'll say or do some stupid stuff, but you cannot question his commitment to his team and winning. He'll do whatever it takes..I have 100% faith Cavs will win a championship before any other cleveland team. I think the tribe will eventually be sold within 5 years
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I had some doubt about Gilbert last year when he hired Brown again. But once he fired him, and hired Blatt, I knew we were on the right track again. I think Grant deserves some credit too. His draft picks might have not fit, but they were good players, and gave the team the assets to make this whole thing possible..
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I had some doubt about Gilbert last year when he hired Brown again. But once he fired him, and hired Blatt, I knew we were on the right track again. I think Grant deserves some credit too. His draft picks might have not fit, but they were good players, and gave the team the assets to make this whole thing possible..
There is no doubt that he made his mistakes, but big picture, he always had this summer on his mind, and did nothing to put that at risk... Hiring Brown=bad, letting Chris Grant be Chris Grant=bad.
But my point was, I don't understand the need to worry about him cutting corners to make his bottom line look a little better. He will exhaust every expense if he has to. It's not like it's the Dolans here. That's why I don't understand the theory that Lebron took a short deal to somehow hold his feet to the fire.
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That may have been the consensus, but you didn't hear that from me. Heck, I pretty much avoided NBA & basketball threads altogether, but you have to be impressed with Gilbert's financial commitment this off-season. I'd like to see the Indians be one of the "Haves" instead of "Have-nots" in MLB for a change.
What big financial commitment has he made this off-season?? He's not even over the cap yet!
People make this argument all the time ... and it's complete apples and oranges. The NBA has a salary cap. Bigger still, players individual contracts are capped!! If Lebron was playing in MLB, he'd probably be signing contracts for $120 million ... A YEAR. Better yet, that one player turns you into a championship team.
Gilbert's total payroll right now is a shade under $63 million. Yet the revenue he's going to generate with Lebron in town is going to blow anything the Indians make this year out of the water. Because of the luxary tax/apron rules, Gilbert will likely not spend any more than $81 dollars this year, and will likely spend below that. The Indians salary is sitting at $82 million. So I fail to see what difference having Gilbert would do for the Indians.
Three Months ago, Gilbert was a bum who was hiring his 3rd coach in 3 years, couldn't even reach the playoffs despite two #1 and two #4 draft picks, and never had a chance to get Lebron or any decent free agent because he wrote a comic sans letter. Now because Lebron decided to come back home, which caused Kevin Love to want to be here ... Gilbert's going to be "the best owner ever" again.
And don't get me wrong ... I like Gilbert. I just find all the bi-polarness towards our owners a bit ridiculous at times. Owners are owners. They spend money if they have it, and MAYBE invest a few million over budget one year in hopes of a big return. If GIlbert owned the Indians, he might make a modest investment at first, and then everything else would be depend on how that season turned out. He's NOT going to jump into the ownership seat and suddenly double the payroll.
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What transpired? Really?
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I agree to an extent, obviously basketball vs baseball is alot different, just mainly the impact of a superstar on your ability to win between the two. Obviously a lebron james makes a bigger difference on a 5 man team than it would in baseball. I think most peoples point when it comes to Dolans, people say oh if they start showing up to the ballpark they'll spend more money etc...Dolans have a pretty sweet TV deal, This area has proven if they have winning baseball they will show up..problem is, they have never gone out to get an upper tier player that people would come to see..Baseball is def. a "spend money to make money" business. Give people a reason to come watch and they will. These teams and moves they've made have been horrible...some of the worst FA signings ever...swisher, bourne, axford etc...just garbage signing with crazy contracts that hinder you for years.
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