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Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has an unusual solution to the crisis of unaccompanied migrant children coming across America’s southern border: put them in camps and put them to work.

KCTV7 News in Kansas City reported last week that Bachmann proposed the idea of “Americanization Facilities” where the children would be put to work to pay off the costs of their past, present and futures care. In exchange, the children would also be fast-tracked on a path to citizenship. “I’m calling on all of us, Obama and Congress and everyone, to chip in and build special new facilities… ‘Americanization facilities,’ if you will,” Bachmann told Minnesota’s Twin Cities News Talk. “And we’d send these kids to these facilities, in Arizona and Texas and wherever else. And we’d get private sector business leaders to locate to those facilities and give these children low-risk jobs to do. And they’d learn about the American way of life, earn their keep, and everyone wins in the end.”

When pressed by conservative radio host Jason Lewis about what life would be like in the camps, Bachmann elaborated that the purpose would also be to inculcate the children into English-speaking American culture. “Well, we’d of course want these facilities to be ideal, you know, for the children to work and learn,” Bachmann continued. “They’d spend half of their day working, and the other half learning what every child should learn, and that’s English, you know, English and American history. And as soon as they learn English with some degree of fluency, they can attend local schools, maybe with a voucher program, or something like that. And then they could work when they aren’t in school.”

The flow of migrant children across the southern border has almost doubled since last year, and an estimated 60,000 will cross by the end of fiscal year 2014 — without any accompanying parents, guardians, or papers. Most are fleeing violence from drug cartel conflicts in their home countries — such as Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras — where they face “severe intrafamilial abuse, abandonment, exploitation, deep deprivation, forced marriage, or female genital cutting. Others are trafficked to the United States for sexual or labor exploitation.” Others are trafficked across the border to be exploited as labor or in the sex trades.

Most of the children turn themselves over to the border guards, at which point they’re usually either in migrant detention centers — sometimes for as long as a year — or often reunited with family members in the United States. Meanwhile, they are placed in immigration proceedings where they must defend themselves just as any adult would have to.

President Obama has proposed a $3.7 billion package to deal with the border crisis, though lawmakers in Congress have offered competing aid packages.

Despite the hardships they already face, Bachmann argued her plan would rebound to the benefit of the children by allowing them to take advantage of job opportunities in the states. “I think this is a great way to bring businesses into the Texas and Arizona areas, and maybe other states struggling with low employment opportunities, thanks mostly to Obama’s policies,” Bachmann said. “It’s about opportunity, not just for these kids but for the American people.”

“It helps the businesses, and if we can raise fifty-thousand God-fearing, English-speaking Americans, who understand real American values, then I’d say it’s a job well done.”

According to a recent report in the New York Times, 60,000 immigrants in detention facilities across the country are already used as low cost labor — often making only a dollar a day, or being paid in credits to detention facility stores. Officials insist the programs are voluntary, but immigrant advocates point to cases in which detainees were threatened with solitary confinement and other punishments if they refused to work.

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"I don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending." –Rep. Michele Bachmann, suggesting at a presidential campaign event in Florida that the 2011 East Coast earthquake and hurricane was a message from God (Aug. 2011)

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"If we took away the minimum wage -- if conceivably it was gone -- we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." -Michele Bachmann, Jan. 2005

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"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 2009

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"I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter." –Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), on the HPV vaccine, Fox News interview, Sept. 12, 2011

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"But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. ... I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly -- men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, botching American history while speaking at an Iowan's for Tax Relief event in January 2011. The Founding Fathers did not work to end slavery, and John Quincy Adams was not one of the Founding Fathers.

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''I'm very concerned about the international moves they're making, particularly ... moving the United States off the dollar and onto a global currency, like Russia and China are calling for.''

—Rep. Michele Bachman, making false claims that the Obama administration was considering ''abandoning the dollar for a multinational currency,'' March 2009

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''I think if we give Glenn Beck the numbers, he can solve this [the national debt].''

—Rep. Michele Bachmann, Feb. 2011

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Still doesn't erase such gems as these:

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JFan and Anarch,

No, I have an issue with people posting ridiculous false stories like above. I'm just highlighting it doesn't negate the wacky statements she's made in the past.

Even then it's not like the site hired two actors, readied film cameras, bugged the actors, dressed them up as a pimp with a prostitute, then tried to frame a community organization, and then caused said organization to cease with inaccurate representation or anything like that...

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You mean some outlet in the media didn't fact-check anything and ran with it because it fit the narrative?

This isn't a liberal issue or a progressive issue. This is an issue for anybody that gets news from a source that has a clear slant (Drudge, HuffPo, Daily Kos, Breitbart, etc.). This time ThinkProgress made the mistake. If we watch closely enough, in the next month, this will happen again with another slanted site.

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JFan and Anarch,

No, I have an issue with people posting ridiculous false stories like above. I'm just highlighting it doesn't negate the wacky statements she's made in the past.

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Someone falls for a fake story, oh no. I remember one Republican congressman who fell for an Onion story in 2011 or so.

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So then there must not be any point in discussing this as a story then. Y'know, since the other side did it once before too...

It's a story, they made a mistake, they ran with a story without verifying it.. it's a story, just not a very big one. They got caught, they retracted... I can live with that.. but it's worth noting because it does call into question their trustworthiness... Everybody makes mistakes, those who make them should be called on them so we all have a better idea who we can trust.

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The point wasn't "The other side does it too." It's that everyone does it.

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Since there are only 2 sides, what's the difference?

And my point was, we need to focus on this incident, give it some attention and then let it go... if the same outfit keeps coming up as having done it, then we can all develop our own opinions of them..

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The point wasn't "The other side does it too." It's that everyone does it.

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Since there are only 2 sides, what's the difference?

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JFan and Anarch,

No, I have an issue with people posting ridiculous false stories like above. I'm just highlighting it doesn't negate the wacky statements she's made in the past.

Even then it's not like the site hired two actors, readied film cameras, bugged the actors, dressed them up as a pimp with a prostitute, then tried to frame a community organization, and then caused said organization to cease with inaccurate representation or anything like that...

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The point wasn't "The other side does it too." It's that everyone does it.

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Since there are only 2 sides, what's the difference?

And my point was, we need to focus on this incident, give it some attention and then let it go... if the same outfit keeps coming up as having done it, then we can all develop our own opinions of them..

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I've been telling you guys for months that there is more than two sides

I agree. Get the correct information out there so people don't fall prey to this, but then let it go.

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JFan and Anarch,

No, I have an issue with people posting ridiculous false stories like above. I'm just highlighting it doesn't negate the wacky statements she's made in the past.

Even then it's not like the site hired two actors, readied film cameras, bugged the actors, dressed them up as a pimp with a prostitute, then tried to frame a community organization, and then caused said organization to cease with inaccurate representation or anything like that...

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Her other wacky statements are irrelevant, unless your trying defend this false reporting.

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Exactly! And he is trying to just that.

But you do have to hand it to them, they did strike through the entirety of the fairy tale on their website. That actually gives them more credibility than CHS has.

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I’m sure our liberal friends can bring up points to show their side has suffered the same, but that is tantamount to saying “Well Billy did it too” after a child gets caught doing something by his parents. Just because some else did it still does not make it right.

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JFan and Anarch,

No, I have an issue with people posting ridiculous false stories like above. I'm just highlighting it doesn't negate the wacky statements she's made in the past.

Even then it's not like the site hired two actors, readied film cameras, bugged the actors, dressed them up as a pimp with a prostitute, then tried to frame a community organization, and then caused said organization to cease with inaccurate representation or anything like that...

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Her other wacky statements are irrelevant, unless your trying defend this false reporting.

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You trying to defend and posting the false story here in another thread of a priest drowning while trying to walk on water, and now you have the gull to post in this joke of a thread as well?

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JFan and Anarch,

No, I have an issue with people posting ridiculous false stories like above. I'm just highlighting it doesn't negate the wacky statements she's made in the past.

Even then it's not like the site hired two actors, readied film cameras, bugged the actors, dressed them up as a pimp with a prostitute, then tried to frame a community organization, and then caused said organization to cease with inaccurate representation or anything like that... ]


Who tried to frame acorn ? They just exposed them as the criminals that they are and always will be on our tax dollars , it was the messanger of the real truth that you libs and the left media tried to frame

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As long as the same people who pointed this out are as eager to point out when conservative sources do the exact same thing I see no bias.

Otherwise? It's complete and total bias.

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Correct.

ACORN wasn't framed. They did what they did...............the only catch was, it was caught on camera.

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Correct.

ACORN wasn't framed. They did what they did...............the only catch was, it was caught on camera.

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This is incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy

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Correct.

ACORN wasn't framed. They did what they did...............the only catch was, it was caught on camera.

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This is incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy

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Okay, my bad.

What do these mean though? "In the Baltimore office, the released video lets viewers hear O'Keefe saying that he and Giles were bringing up thirteen girls from El Salvador "like 15" years of age to live in their house and work as prostitutes "just to get them on their feet so they can do this type of thing".[46][47] Giles remarks, "they are kind of dependent".[48] Although the Baltimore ACORN staffer pointed out their plans were illegal, after O'Keefe says, "we are going to be putting a roof over [their] head," the ACORN employee states, "well then you know what you can always claim them as dependents".[49] Later, the employee says, "you are gonna use three of them they are gonna be under 16 so you is eligible to get child tax credit and additional child tax credit".[47][50] When O'Keefe asks, "what if they are going to be making money because they are performing tricks too?" the employee replies, "but if they making money and they are underage, then you shouldn't be letting anybody know anyway."[47][51] The Baltimore employees were fired by ACORN after the video was released.[52][53]

In the Washington, D.C., office, Giles and O'Keefe ask about how to account for Giles' anticipated prostitution income on tax forms. Giles asks, "is there a way I can make up two years of tax returns?" The ACORN employee replies, "no you can't make it up", but tells Giles that she could form a business and state that she provides a service.[54] The employee says, "you can have a business. She's not going to put down that she's doing prostitution", and "you don't have to sit back and tell people what it is you do".[55][56] Giles later tells an ACORN employee that she will be giving the money earned from prostitution to O'Keefe. The employee says, "when the police ask you – you don't know where it's coming from".[56][57]

In the Brooklyn office, Giles and O'Keefe tell a loan counselor they want to buy a house, and that an abusive pimp is "aggressively" pursuing Giles. She "wanted to leave because it is scary being subjected to a huge man who has control over your life".[58] The ACORN counselor advises her "you get a tin if [he] is going to come beat you... you get a tin and bury it down in there and you put the money right in and you put grass over it and you don't tell a single soul".[59] When discussing getting a house and Giles' earnings, O'Keefe says that Giles is very honest and an ACORN counselor replies, "honest is not going to get you the house that is why you probably been denied cause you probably going in saying".[60][61] Another stated to Giles, "you can't say what you do for a living".[61] For tax and banking purposes, and to establish a legitimate income and credit history, Giles was told she needed to start saying she was a "freelancer".[61] The ACORN employee also suggested that Giles open two accounts at separate banks, depositing no more than $500 each a week to ensure few eyebrows are raised.[61]

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I was looking through the footnotes for the citations indicated and I'm not surprised at how the narrative is written about ACORN not being a corrupt organization was created. Salon.com? New York Magazine? Atlantic Monthly? NPR?

It's almost laughable when you look at the sourcing. New York AG finds no wrongdoing? You mean Eliot Spitzer? California AG? You mean Jerry Brown? Massachusetts AG? You mean Martha Coakley - the lady that was defeated by Scott Brown for Ted Kennedy's seat?

If they weren't crimes by ACORN, then it was crimes by the Attorneys-General.

My God! If these folks are the defense for ACORN being pristine, then you're a bigger fool than they are! I'm not surprised one bit that it's PDR trying to defend this using Wikipedia. You might even think that Obama was really a Constitutional lawyer from Harvard. Nobody asked him for which country he was a Constitutional lawyer. It seems to be straight out of the Soviet Union.

Sure, it is what it is and it's sourced. Then you begin looking at the sources and your forehead begins to wrinkle and your eyebrow becomes furrowed.

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You trying to defend and posting the false story here in another thread of a priest drowning while trying to walk on water, and now you have the gull to post in this joke of a thread as well?

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Just how much "gull" is needed to post in a message board thread?

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You trying to defend and posting the false story here in another thread of a priest drowning while trying to walk on water, and now you have the gull to post in this joke of a thread as well?

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Just how much "gull" is needed to post in a message board thread?

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That's enough gull for sure!

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Well, I don't know about all that.

But, my question was a serious, honest question. If acorn was "framed", did the acorn employees say what they said?

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I always assumed anarchy was a young kid who was just really into Ayn Rand, but as time has gone on, and the nuttier his posts get, I'm starting to wonder if it's a persona/act meant to get a rise out of people.

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