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I just read this and thought it was really interesting. Maybe they'll find life there

Potentially Habitable Planet Found
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WASHINGTON (April 25) - For the first time astronomers have discovered a planet outside our solar system that is potentially habitable, with Earth-like temperatures, a find researchers described Tuesday as a big step in the search for "life in the universe."

'Significant Step' in Search for Life

The planet is just the right size, might have water in liquid form, and in galactic terms is relatively nearby at 120 trillion miles away. But the star it closely orbits, known as a "red dwarf ," is much smaller, dimmer and cooler than our sun.

There's still a lot that is unknown about the new planet, which could be deemed inhospitable to life once more is known about it. And it's worth noting that scientists' requirements for habitability count Mars in that category: a size relatively similar to Earth's with temperatures that would permit liquid water. However, this is the first outside our solar system that meets those standards.

"It's a significant step on the way to finding possible life in the universe," said University of Geneva astronomer Michel Mayor, one of 11 European scientists on the team that found the planet. "It's a nice discovery. We still have a lot of questions."

The results of the discovery have not been published but have been submitted to the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics.

Alan Boss, who works at the Carnegie Institution of Washington where a U.S. team of astronomers competed in the hunt for an Earth-like planet, called it "a major milestone in this business."

The planet was discovered by the European Southern Observatory's telescope in La Silla, Chile, which has a special instrument that splits light to find wobbles in different wave lengths. Those wobbles can reveal the existence of other worlds.

What they revealed is a planet circling the red dwarf star, Gliese 581. Red dwarfs are low-energy, tiny stars that give off dim red light and last longer than stars like our sun. Until a few years ago, astronomers didn't consider these stars as possible hosts of planets that might sustain life.

The discovery of the new planet, named 581 c, is sure to fuel studies of planets circling similar dim stars. About 80 percent of the stars near Earth are red dwarfs.

The new planet is about five times heavier than Earth. Its discoverers aren't certain if it is rocky like Earth or if its a frozen ice ball with liquid water on the surface. If it is rocky like Earth, which is what the prevailing theory proposes, it has a diameter about 1 1/2 times bigger than our planet. If it is an iceball, as Mayor suggests, it would be even bigger.

Based on theory, 581 c should have an atmosphere, but what's in that atmosphere is still a mystery and if it's too thick that could make the planet's surface temperature too hot, Mayor said.

However, the research team believes the average temperature to be somewhere between 32 and 104 degrees and that set off celebrations among astronomers.

Until now, all 220 planets astronomers have found outside our solar system have had the "Goldilocks problem." They've been too hot, too cold or just plain too big and gaseous, like uninhabitable Jupiter.

The new planet seems just right - or at least that's what scientists think.

"This could be very important," said NASA astrobiology expert Chris McKay, who was not part of the discovery team. "It doesn't mean there is life, but it means it's an Earth-like planet in terms of potential habitability."

Eventually astronomers will rack up discoveries of dozens, maybe even hundreds of planets considered habitable, the astronomers said. But this one - simply called "c" by its discoverers when they talk among themselves - will go down in cosmic history as No. 1.

Besides having the right temperature, the new planet is probably full of liquid water, hypothesizes Stephane Udry, the discovery team's lead author and another Geneva astronomer. But that is based on theory about how planets form, not on any evidence, he said.

"Liquid water is critical to life as we know it," co-author Xavier Delfosse of Grenoble University in France, said in a statement. "Because of its temperature and relative proximity, this planet will most probably be a very important target of the future space missions dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial life. On the treasure map of the Universe, one would be tempted to mark this planet with an X."

Other astronomers cautioned it's too early to tell whether there is water.

"You need more work to say it's got water or it doesn't have water," said retired NASA astronomer Steve Maran, press officer for the American Astronomical Society. "You wouldn't send a crew there assuming that when you get there, they'll have enough water to get back."

The new planet's star system is a mere 20.5 light years away, making Gliese 581 one of the 100 closest stars to Earth. It's so dim, you can't see it without a telescope, but it's somewhere in the constellation Libra, which is low in the southeastern sky during the midevening in the Northern Hemisphere.

"I expect there will be planets like Earth, but whether they have life is another question," said renowned astrophysicist Stephen Hawking in an interview with The Associated Press in Orlando. "We haven't been visited by little green men yet."

Before you book your extrastellar flight to 581 c, a few caveats about how alien that world probably is: Anyone sitting on the planet would get heavier quickly, and birthdays would add up fast since it orbits its star every 13 days.

Gravity is 1.6 times as strong as Earth's so a 150-pound person would feel like 240 pounds.

But oh, the view. The planet is 14 times closer to the star it orbits. Udry figures the red dwarf star would hang in the sky at a size 20 times larger than our moon. And it's likely, but still not known, that the planet doesn't rotate, so one side would always be sunlit and the other dark.

Distance is another problem. "We don't know how to get to those places in a human lifetime," Maran said.

Two teams of astronomers, one in Europe and one in the United States, have been racing to be the first to find a planet like 581 c outside the solar system.

The European team looked at 100 different stars using a tool called HARPS (High Accuracy Radial Velocity for Planetary Searcher) to find this one planet, said Xavier Bonfils of the Lisbon Observatory, one of the co-discoverers.

Much of the effort to find Earth-like planets has focused on stars like our sun with the challenge being to find a planet the right distance from the star it orbits. About 90 percent of the time, the European telescope focused its search more on sun-like stars, Udry said.

A few weeks before the European discovery earlier this month, a scientific paper in the journal Astrobiology theorized a few days that red dwarf stars were good candidates.

"Now we have the possibility to find many more," Bonfils said.

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let's say we send a mating pair from every race, and religion to inhabit this new world.....how many generations til they are killing each other in the name of race and religion?

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relatively nearby at 120 trillion miles away




OK, so with an average space probe speed of 52,000 mph

it would take
120,000,000,000,000 miles at 52,000 mph
2307692308 hrs
96153846.15 days
3205128.205 months
263435.1949 years

better be a big ship to take people, and they better plan on seeing thousands of generations pass before arriving.


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The planet is just the right size, might have water in liquid form,



Does water come in powdered form? If so, what do you add to it?

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Liquid v. solid form.


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GENERATIONS?


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Here are some awesome new pictures from the Hubble Telescope, too. It's amazing to look at all of this!

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Does water come in powdered form? If so, what do you add to it?





Milk comes in powdered form, why not water.

Of course, what do you add to it to return it to liquid form?


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Thanks for pointing out how stupid I am I was really confused.

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Something tells me we'll find life on other planets before the end of my lifetime.

The universe is just too big, it's the law of averages.

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Not sure, but according to the good book, it only took one generation to get the ball rolling on this planet.

I'm sure Al and Jesse will have someone there to make sure things won't be peaceful; just profitable.


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First of all - Viper those are some really cool pics.

Second - this may turn out to be a dumb question, but I believe the only dumb question is one not asked. So, how do the scientists know that they only way to sustain life is with water? Why couldn't there be a being or organism that depends on nitrogen, or sulfur, some element/chemical we haven't discovered yet, or something else to sustain life?

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Let me pose a question to you all, this has been asked in a random dicsussion before on UFO's.

The question was "IF UFO's are aliens with this great technology to reach earth from places we haven't found yet, why do they stay so secretive, why don't they land and introduce themselves. If it was us, going to their planet, would they not want us to stop and say hello?"

My answer to this and that of several others in the conversation was basically that, it's very possible that these "aliens" come here to investigate our progress. Maybe they know that stopping now and offering this technology would be inappropriate timing.

Maybe they have found other life before, and stopped, and helped a new planet along, only to find that it was too much too soon and the inhabitants destroyed their own planet with this new technology.

Therefore, now they visit to just see how we are progressing and gauge if we would be ready for such advancements.

Or the pessimistic approach that they are sizing us up for a galactic attack and take over.

Of course this is assuming that UFOs are real and such.

Curious on other takes and ideas on this concept.


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So, how do the scientists know that they only way to sustain life is with water? Why couldn't there be a being or organism that depends on nitrogen, or sulfur, some element/chemical we haven't discovered yet, or something else to sustain life?



Simple vanity.. humans tend to think that if there is anything else out there, it HAS to be similar to us...

What I wonder about is the people who think that some advanced life form has the technology to launch space craft, either travel at unbelievable speeds and/or stay in space for incredibly long periods of time, descend secretively on another planet, sustain itself in the new atmosphere... yet can't figure out a way around a piece of tin foil...


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In my opinion, if a civilization with that technology has visited and watched I think that they would be intelligent enough to recognize that Humans almost always have negative feelings towards that or those which we dont understand. I think they'd realize on the universal intelligence level we would probably be infantile. I would surmise that they would think we would react in a defensive manner and possibly attack....


Personally I believe there are intelligent Civilizations out there, I just dont think many of them ever will/have be able to become so advanced that they could overcome the great distance that has to be traveled, to contact us.

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We tend to call the solid form "ice".

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The aliens have already landed on this planet. You just have to know where to look. For example:

There's Dennis...




There's Theresa



Hillary....


and of course, Nanci...


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OMG<,,,, Water in a non liquid state would be ICE!


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Water in a non liquid state would be ICE!




That's not entirely accurate.

Water has three forms.

1. Water (liquid)
2. Ice (solid)
3. Steam (gas)


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A friend of mine had a can of powdered water. You add water.


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Also can be found as a gas


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I just want to know what all of you are going to do, when you finally get to this planet and find god playing with his OTHER chosen people.


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True, but it's not inaccurate either,, it's just incomplete!


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Also can be found as a gas




You're kidding! Wow, thanks for the info.


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Some want to know if there is life on other planets, I want to know if there's pizza?

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True, but it's not inaccurate either,, it's just incomplete!




True but I did not say it was inaccurate, I said "That's not entirely accurate.", which could also be stated as "incomplete".


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I wanna know if this is the planet with the always under-dressed alien babes that so many late night movies feature?


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True but I did not say it was inaccurate, I said "That's not entirely accurate.", which could also be stated as "incomplete".






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