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Dalton is not worth 19mil/yr. This contract has to be low guaranteed with majority of the money on the yr 4, 5 & 6. Otherwise it's a bad contract for them.
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I'm sure it will be a Kaepernick style deal with little guaranteed money. You have to pay him though, if they are banking on AJ McCaron they will be very upset.
That team as a unit is too good right now to start over, especially with the likes of McCaron at backup...
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They have a QB who is better than any other available option out there, so they were kind of forced into a long-term deal. Dalton is not great by any means, but he's good enough. Having said that, I'm happy as a Browns fan that they're strapped to this guy over the next 6 years.
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They've been doing a good job for the past 6 or 7 years. Which is why they are a playoff team and we are not.
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They've been doing a good job for the past 6 or 7 years. Which is why they are a playoff team and we are not.
Sadly this is the truth. Brown won't pay players he doesn't feel are worth the money. And if Dalton thinks he'll be around as soon as Brown finds his replacement then he's sorely mistaken. For the next couple of years he'll be the QB and that's all I'll say about that. And the Bengals will be a playoff contender for the next few seasons at least. Playoff teams make money, and Mike Brown is all about the money.
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I hope that at least half of it is guaranteed. If Cinci can get out in a couple years, then it doesn't matter much.
But, Dalton is barely a league average QB. That is better than what we have had here, but it pretty much signals that the Bengals will not win in the playoffs and it isn't hard to see them regressing (less money for other positions).
This is a win for all division opponents of the Bengals.
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I'm actualy jealous. Since '99, we haven't had a QB worthy of even playing under center let alone good enough to get a bloated contract extension after going to the playoffs two years in a row.
I don't think Dalton is as bad as people make him out to be and he's also probably not "worth" this contract, but the Bengals had no choice. You can't really kick him to the curb without bringing someone in that's better, and in today's NFL, finding better than Dalton is hard.
As for my worth comment, the cost of having a Dalton-like QB or better is going to cost you, a lot. So he is worth the contract if you look across the landscape of NFL QBs and their recent deals.
If he was our guy, we'd want him signed. For our sake, lets hope he continues to struggle in big games. If he breaks through and has a Flacco-like postseason, we'll never hear the end of it.
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Yeah I don't understand why people are acting like this is a good thing for us?  The only time he plays really poorly is in the playoffs, not like we're ever going to benefit from that..... 
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And when he is under pressure. This is a great thing for us. Hue Jackson will ruin that offense, and I can't wait.
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Yeah I don't understand why people are acting like this is a good thing for us?
The only time he plays really poorly is in the playoffs, not like we're ever going to benefit from that.....
You don't pay $19M/year to a QB with a 51 QBR in the regular season. He's a league average QB at best.
To be fair, we don't know any contract details yet - if all the money is in years 4-6, and is not guaranteed, then it's not such a bad deal. But for a QB you might replace in a year or two (and have cheap for one more year anyway) - this doesn't really make any sense.
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It's a "great" thing for us that they re-signed a guy who has led them to three straight playoff appearances?
Just not buying that from a franchise that has won no more than 5 games for going on 2 decades (sans 2 aberration seasons). They have more playoff appearances with Dalton at the helm than we have in 20+ years, but we're spinning this as their demise somehow?
lol, unbelievable.
I heard the same things about Tomlin and the Steelers and them being "old"...Superbowl....I heard the same things about The Ravens signing Flacco....beat us twice.... We're a bad football team and them re-signing their players isn't a good thing in any way for us.
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I don't really understand why people are laughing at this.
Andy Dalton statistically has gotten better each year he's been in the NFL and he's taken his team to 3 straight playoff appearances.
While I don't think he's worth $19 million a year, I do think he's a very above average QB and will probably only get better.
This isn't a GREAT thing for the Browns lol.
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Yes, when we get better and a team gets worse it's good for us.
If you watch the Bengals long enough they show how average they are. Dalton does not play well under fire, however most people don't blitz as it'll leave Green on a 1 v 1 with a CB. This is why the Browns play so well against the Bengals; we can leave Joe on an island and bring the heat. So yes, this is a good thing for the Browns.
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I think what some people are forgetting is that Dalton played terrible against us last season. We beat them in one game (Hoyer), and the loss was the special teams/offense debacle, where their STs and defense put up ~98320758094327509 points against us.
While it's true that Dalton saves his absolute worst for the playoffs, he still plays poorly against us. A big reason for that is probably because #1,2, and 3 target (AJ Green) is usually contained by Haden, and he doesn't know what to do.
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Dalton is a good QB. But he isn't a great QB. He will lead to the Bengals to the playoffs, maybe. But he won't get them very far in the playoffs.
And Dalton hasn't necessarily owned us the way Big Ben has. He doesn't scare me the way other QBs do. That being said, he's not a bum, either.
But, I'm not worried about facing him for the foreseeable future. I'm more worried about how our offense will match up with Cinci's (and everyone else's) defense than how we'll defend Dalton.
Again, JMHO.
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A lot of different opinions on Dalton and this deal. I'll weigh in.
I think Dalton has some skills and he has been to the playoffs 3 straight years. He can get very, very hot during his good streaks. However, he is extremely inconsistent. 3 excellent games will be followed by 2 or 3 horrific games. Thus far, in the playoffs, he has been bad.
I would not pay this guy as my franchise qb. In fact, if were running the Bengals, I would have drafted Bridgewater even if I had to move up to do it. As it turned out, they passed on him and they are going to regret that move.
I think the Bengals are the most talented team in the division, by far......but, they are never going to win in the post season w/Dalton as the qb. Their window will close at some point. They should have done all they could to get a top-flight qb.
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Chad Pennington never got a deal like this....
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A lot of different opinions on Dalton and this deal. I'll weigh in.
I think Dalton has some skills and he has been to the playoffs 3 straight years. He can get very, very hot during his good streaks. However, he is extremely inconsistent. 3 excellent games will be followed by 2 or 3 horrific games. Thus far, in the playoffs, he has been bad.
I would not pay this guy as my franchise qb. In fact, if were running the Bengals, I would have drafted Bridgewater even if I had to move up to do it. As it turned out, they passed on him and they are going to regret that move.
I think the Bengals are the most talented team in the division, by far......but, they are never going to win in the post season w/Dalton as the qb. Their window will close at some point. They should have done all they could to get a top-flight qb.
Well said Vers. I remember when the Ravens had Kyle Boller, I said that he was our best QB twice a year. Dalton is like Boller lite version. Dalton is better than Boller and can beat us better than Boller could, but he's also going to keep us in a lot of games.
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j/c ... it's not really a case of how good Dalton is versus the Brown's QB's since 1999. It's not even as simple as whether Dalton is worth $19 million ... it's how the contract is written and how easily (with little cap hit) Cinci can get out of the contract if they want to.
I have only seen Dalton play against the Browns and in his playoff games, and in those games he has been below average ... so I am not surprised some think this is a good thing for the Browns. But Dalton has taken the Bengals to three straight playoffs .... so I think there has to be a lot to Dalton that I have yet to see, and if he can become more consistent, then it's going to be a good signing for them.
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Dalton always seems to choke on any important game.
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Dalton is Tony Romo Light, IMO.
He's decent enough to tease you, not good enough to put it all together consistently.
That said, if you build the team around him, that's all you need. However, when you give the guy this type of payday, you're seriously limiting your ability to build & retain other talent around him. I'm glad it's another team making this mistake, and not us.
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That seems pretty high to me. Not sure he's worth that.
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Dalton getting Champagne sent to his house from every Agent who has a QB in their Portfolio of clients. 
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Dalton getting Champagne sent to his house from every Agent who has a QB in their Portfolio of clients.
Not with all of the non-guaranteed money in his deal. His deal is guaranteed for one year ..... and after that .... nothing is for sure.
Andy Dalton, Bengals agree to six-year, $115 million contract - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...illion-contract
La Canfora reports that all of the fully guaranteed money comes in the first year of the deal. Dalton will make $18 million guaranteed this season and will make $22 million by next February.
Beyond that, the contract is essentially pay as you. (go, I would assume) The team will have protections from a cap and cash standpoint should they choose to move on after a few years. In the meantime, Dalton gets a life-altering chunk of money within the first 6-7 months of signing the deal.
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Not with all of the non-guaranteed money in his deal. His deal is guaranteed for one year ..... and after that .... nothing is for sure.
Andy Dalton, Bengals agree to six-year, $115 million contract - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...illion-contract
La Canfora reports that all of the fully guaranteed money comes in the first year of the deal. Dalton will make $18 million guaranteed this season and will make $22 million by next February.
Beyond that, the contract is essentially pay as you. (go, I would assume) The team will have protections from a cap and cash standpoint should they choose to move on after a few years. In the meantime, Dalton gets a life-altering chunk of money within the first 6-7 months of signing the deal.
Then that's not that bad of a deal for the Bengals. There isn't a QB better than him that they can get right now. So they have to pay him, but if they can replace him for better + cheaper down the road they will.
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22 million in 7 months...I hear cork a Poppin...lol 
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Maybe Andy Dalton can get one of those money phones.
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I would say that he can get just about anything he wants .....
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Dalton is not worth 19mil/yr. This contract has to be low guaranteed with majority of the money on the yr 4, 5 & 6. Otherwise it's a bad contract for them.
Yeah, what he said! 
19mil a year for someone who chokes in the post season, and has more than once... seems absurd. 
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They had to pay him because he's the best option at this point but let's look a little at his numbers.
Against playoff teams last year Dalton threw 11 TDs and 8 int's. A little closer look has him throwing 4 of those TDs against Minnesota, which really made the playoffs last year because GB and Chicago didn't have the seasons they should/could have.
Dalton had 3 games with 0 TDs, and three games of 3+ int's. Yes he threw 33 TDs. Breaking it down a little more shows 5 against the Jets, 3 against Buffalo, then the 4 against Minn. That's 3 games, less than quarter of the season, accounting for over a third of his TD total.
Against his own division he threw 10 TDs to 10 int's, with a completion percentage of 53.45. My guess is if he keeps that ratio and percentage he'll struggle to consistently win the AFCN.
Consider me unimpressed. My hope is he continues to be good enough to keep them at 8 to 10 wins per season. Picking later in the draft. Wasting a few more years of the talent around him.
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The terms of the deal make it much better for the Bengals. Paying all the money up front allows them to have Dalton with a reasonable contract for a starting QB on a year-to-year basis. Smart move by them.
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They can also dump him without devastating cap consequences if they feel the need to do so a couple of years from now.
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Way too much. I will choke for half that in playoffs. I think he priced himself out of a job. 
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