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While everyone was crying that we needed to draft a receiver Farmer was improving our O-line with a much needed guard.  Joel Bitonio’s growing up quickly Kevin Jones Staff Writer Joel Bitonio is smiling. Always. Walking the hallways in his trademark Nike sandals, Bitonio slaps hands with a Browns equipment employee. In the cafeteria he lets out a hearty laugh. After an intense, sweltering day of training camp, Bitonio poses for selfies with screaming diehard Browns supporters – and he eats up every second of it. Joel Bitonio puts in the extra mile. Always. In the meeting room, on the practice field and even with members of the media – Bitonio is showing people who he really is. A recent interview session with Bitonio lasted more than 20 minutes. The questioning had more of a campfire feel to it than a series of pressing questions. Labeling Bitonio as a typical rookie is reading this situation totally wrong. Sure, Bitonio might occasionally carry shoulder pads after practice or be the recipient of some playful ribbing, like all young players. But in terms of his early progression and how much the franchise might count him in 2014, his Browns teammates see a common theme: Bitonio matters. “The coaches obviously trust him enough to throw him in there right away with the No. 1s, and he’s proven already that he deserves it because he’s a fast learner,” said Pro Bowler Joe Thomas. “You can see he’s an athlete. He’s strong. I think he’s definitely going to be a big piece of this pie when it’s all said and done.” “He’s picking up the offense quick,” said Alex Mack. “He’s an instinctual player. He looks good.” “Smart kid,” said fellow guard John Greco. “You can tell he’s not the typical rookie. Sometimes those guys’ heads are spinning. As far as intelligence-wise, he’s right on. He shows that he’s athletic and he’s flying around.” “Every day you don’t get better, you’re getting worse,” said Bitonio. The intriguing part of Bitonio’s rise up the depth chart is that he barely played guard in college at Nevada. Bitonio was the Wolf Pack’s bookend left tackle his senior season, tasked with stoning pass rushers and paving the way for the teams’ outside zone running game. Bitonio compares his position switch inside to playing football inside of a 1980s phone booth. Instead of retreating as a tackle with more freedom to be creative with angles, Bitonio now has to be firm on the line, filling up space while remaining strong enough to hold off 330-pounders. There’s a fine line to walk when interpreting how impactful Bitonio has been so far. “We’ve been really pleased, and I’m happier than hell that he’s here,” said Andy Moeller, the Browns' offensive line coach. “But by no means has he arrived. He’s still got work to do.” The proof will be in the pudding and Bitonio will get his biggest test this Saturday in Detroit against the Lions. Link
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While everyone was crying that we needed to draft a receiver Farmer was improving our O-line with a much needed guard.
Well, there were three ZBS guards available in free agency and we didn't go after them. Additionally, this year's WR draft class was exceptionally strong. Thus, while I am not saying that Bitonio was a bad pick or that we made a mistake, I think you gloating about it is preposterous, at best.
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While everyone was crying that we needed to draft a receiver Farmer was improving our O-line with a much needed guard.
Well, there were three ZBS guards available in free agency and we didn't go after them. Additionally, this year's WR draft class was exceptionally strong. Thus, while I am not saying that Bitonio was a bad pick or that we made a mistake, I think you gloating about it is preposterous, at best.
I completely agree. That said I'm really looking towards watching Bitonio grow even if I can't remember that we drafted him most days of the week 
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I didn't really know much about the kid, but it seems like he is a good player. I am just saying this because I want to make it clear that I am not bad-mouthing Bitonio. I just didn't like the tone of the original poster, especially because there were plenty of other options to attack the OL and WR positions.
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I think if Miles Austin can remain on the field, and we get a good linemen outta it - then yeah the FO looks like pimps. Otherwise, it could be extremely questionable on their behalf for neglecting WR all together.
I'm anxious to see who Kyle and company deem the starters from Joe Thomas over. The only spot for sure cemented there over is of course Alex Mack's job. Pretty sure Grecco will remain at one of the guard positions, but can Gilkey make a name for himself? Can Bitonio flash? Can't wait to see the answers to these questions!
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I think Bitonio is going to start. Now, while he may be a good player, there will still be growing pains and he will make more than his share of bad plays. It really appears that Grecco and Gilkey are battling for the starting job. This surprises me a bit.
Austin was a stud for a couple of years. I was researching him earlier today when responding to some guys on another thread. It seems that most think the Cowboys were a better team when he was NOT on the field last year. They didn't want any part of him this year and not one other team brought him in for a visit. Hopefully, he will prove them all wrong and be a good player for us, but I doubt if we'll be looking like "pimps." LOL
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While everyone was crying that we needed to draft a receiver Farmer was improving our O-line with a much needed guard.
Well, there were three ZBS guards available in free agency and we didn't go after them. Additionally, this year's WR draft class was exceptionally strong. Thus, while I am not saying that Bitonio was a bad pick or that we made a mistake, I think you gloating about it is preposterous, at best.
You win games at the line of scrimmage. That's where the ball is placed to start every play.
Tell us, which of these WRs from the 2015 draft class are going to be better or worse than this year's draft class? It's the end-all-be-all list, but it's a place to start.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015/WR
I'm curious to know what you think. Truth is, nobody knows what will happen for next year's draft or even what will happen with the Browns roster of WRs for this NFL season.
Come on man. I think that the consensus is that Bitonio has enough talent to play the position for the team and to do some competently. The team will certainly benefit from having him on the team.
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Exactly. A staunch O-line buys extra second(s) for the QB to find a receiver, extra second(s) for receiver to get open, provides a passing lane, and opens up running game, plus allows RB's out in the flat instead of saving a QB's life in the backfield.
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It is obvious that this team is being built on the same blueprint as the Seahawks and Niners.
We want a strong run game, with a powerful OL leading the way.
We want a strong defense, especially capable of shutting down the opponent's passing game.
We want a capable, but limited usage passing game. We want a passing game that is the exact opposite of last year's offense, Last year we led the league in passing attempts. This year we want an offense that can dominate at the LOS, and win with the run. We want a passing game that can produce while the run games takes the pressure off the QB.
On defense, we want to physically dominate the opponent, and turn them into a running team by taking away their passing game, and then run the ball better than they can. With the ability to do that, we want to put the QB in position to make plays when the opponent sells out to try to stop the run.
Someone brought up the fact that we beat the Bengals, because we have Joe Haden, who can single-handedly remove AJ Green from the field. I think that's a valid point. Now imagine if Gilbert is able to do so across the field from Haden. Then play Skrine in the slot ..... and possibly Desir on the opposing 4th receiver. Where does a team easily go? Probably after Desir , or the extra safety ..... but that's with their 4th receiver. That's not a great strategy.
I am encouraged for 2 reasons. 1, the Seahawks and Niners showed that you can win in today's NFL following the old time recipe of running the ball and playing defense. You don't have to lead the league in passing to win it all. That is a revelation, considering the conventional wisdom of recent years. The old time standard of running the ball, playing defense, and breaking down and dominating your opponent late wins. This is the kind of team we are building. We invested heavily at the RB position. We have invested heavily on the OL, and continue to bring in players with potential. We invested heavily in changing the defensive mindset, by bringing in new leaders, like Whitner, who knows how the Niners defense turned the corner, and Dansby, who helped Arizona turn things around last year. We added a shutdown capable CB. Man, I like where the defense is heading ..... and I think that we could be heading into Niners/Seahawks range in a couple of years. The first step was to add talent while changing the mindset. That part is in motion. Now we have to develop, and add pieces here or there to get to where we want.
I am excited, because I love the physically dominating/defensive team concept. That is the way that I love to see football played, and I thought that it was a dinosaur in today's NFL. However, things run in cycles in the NFL, and I think that we're on the right path for today's NFL.
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Well, there were three ZBS guards available in free agency and we didn't go after them. Additionally, this year's WR draft class was exceptionally strong. Thus, while I am not saying that Bitonio was a bad pick or that we made a mistake, I think you gloating about it is preposterous, at best.
And as we all know.. Rookie WRs always produce right away...
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I think that it's pretty obvious that teams that rely too heavily on the passing game will get burned by it.
There are four outcomes, generally speaking, on every pass play.
1. Completed pass.
2. Incomplete pass.
3. Interception.
4. Sack.
Three of those general outcomes are bad.
On run plays, there are two outcomes, generally speaking.
1. Positive yardage.
2. Negative yardage.
That's basically it.
Either play can result in fumbles, but they aren't an outcome, generally speaking.
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While everyone was crying that we needed to draft a receiver Farmer was improving our O-line with a much needed guard.
Well, there were three ZBS guards available in free agency and we didn't go after them. Additionally, this year's WR draft class was exceptionally strong. Thus, while I am not saying that Bitonio was a bad pick or that we made a mistake, I think you gloating about it is preposterous, at best.
And as we all know.. Rookie WRs always produce right away...
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For runs, also possession change as result of fumble. But your point is well taken. Teams with over 20 completions for one or two yards and fail to move the chains are not successful offenses. Just suggesting that "possession" is big for the two categories as an additional consideration. Our "three-and-out" club was proof of this. Good simplified thinking, Anarchy.
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You win games at the line of scrimmage. That's where the ball is placed to start every play.
Really? Who has talked about the OL than me on this board over the years?
Are you guys really that poor at reading or are you just being adversarial because you don't like my opinion?
I clearly said that there were 3 good ZBS guards available in free agency. I was bringing it up over and over again during FA, which is when YTown chose to term it "whining." But now, I don't recognize the importance of the OL. 
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This so reminds me of the conversations that have been on the boards for years. We'll see what you guys will say in October about our WRs and offense. 
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You can only fix so much in one draft and Pettine/Farmer chose tofix the running game this year and basically forgo the passing game. In today's NFL I'm not sure that philosophy isn't misguided.
I guess we'll find out.
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While not as optimistic, I agree with what you said.
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Yeah, it sounds good. However, how many times have we heard how the Browns were modeling their team after the [insert current powerhouse team at the time here?]
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You can only fix so much in one draft and Pettine/Farmer chose tofix the running game this year and basically forgo the passing game. In today's NFL I'm not sure that philosophy isn't misguided.
I guess we'll find out.
They drafted a running back and a much needed athletic guard. They also drafted a QB. I don't see how that is solely fixing the running game and forgoing the passing game, unless you don't count the O-line and QB positions as being essential to the passing game.
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I guess we'll find out.
They drafted a running back and a much needed athletic guard. They also drafted a QB. I don't see how that is solely fixing the running game and forgoing the passing game, unless you don't count the O-line and QB positions as being essential to the passing game.
They passed on WR's for a linebacker, a guard and a running back in a WR heavy draft class.
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While everyone was crying that we needed to draft a receiver Farmer was improving our O-line with a much needed guard.
Well, there were three ZBS guards available in free agency and we didn't go after them. Additionally, this year's WR draft class was exceptionally strong. Thus, while I am not saying that Bitonio was a bad pick or that we made a mistake, I think you gloating about it is preposterous, at best.
I have you on ignore, but every once in a while I have the misfortune of catching one of your inane, barbarous comments when they are quoted by someone else. Usually I ignore them completely, however since this was obviously directed at me with obnoxious intent, I decided to respond. As my comment had nothing to do with my success or achievement, I wasn't gloating, I was making the observation that Farmer made the right call in what must have been a tough decision. To save you time in the future: responding to me, since you are on ignore, is preposterous at best.
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If Bitonio makes our OL better then I won't complain about that.. but from what I understand, Marqise Lee, who was drafted just a couple spots after him looks really good in Jags camp so I'm not sure I would have been upset with that pick either... I'm not sure that the fact that Bitonio looks good early is any kind of vindication that it was the right pick over a WR...
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I really, really wanted Lee in the 2nd ....... but I can see why they took Bitonio. I still would rather have taken Lee .....
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I'm not necessarily as concerned with what team we are modeling ourselves after as much as I am concerned with what style of play and identity we seek to achieve. I know everyone is very high on the passing offense controlling the game right now, but I really see that pendulum beginning to swing the other way.
YTown used the examples of Seattle and San Fran, which are popular, but Pittsburgh began going back to that philosophy and had great success with it in the second half of last season. It just seemed with those teams that, even when defenses knew the next play was a run, the offense still couldn't be stopped. Hell, even New England began placing a renewed premium on its run game.
There's more I want say about this, but work keeps getting in the way.
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I really, really wanted Lee in the 2nd ....... but I can see why they took Bitonio. I still would rather have taken Lee .....
I think that sums up my feelings exactly. I don't run the team and I try not to cry like a little brat every time the FO goes in a different direction. Did I want Johnny Football - No. Is he decent value where we took him? Yes. Heck, I would have taken Samyy at #4 .... but I love the extra #1 pick and i love how the defense is working out with Gilbert opposite Hadden.... I actually think in 2 years Gilbert is going to be the better CB! Won't that be something if it comes true.
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We needed to draft a guard far more than we needed to draft a WR, IMHO. Not saying that we couldn't have gotten a WR, but the choice seemed clear, and now it's looking like it will pay off. By all accounts, he's smart, tough and physical and will be a nice compliment to JT, Mack & Schwartz.
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You can only fix so much in one draft and Pettine/Farmer chose tofix the running game this year and basically forgo the passing game. In today's NFL I'm not sure that philosophy isn't misguided.
I guess we'll find out.
They drafted a running back and a much needed athletic guard. They also drafted a QB. I don't see how that is solely fixing the running game and forgoing the passing game, unless you don't count the O-line and QB positions as being essential to the passing game.
They passed on WR's for a linebacker, a guard and a running back in a WR heavy draft class.
Doesn't make my statement any less valid. They stuck to their board, and they did address the passing game. Perhaps not in the way you wanted, but they did address it. It looks like we picked up a viable #2 in FA, and it's highly likely we take a WR in the draft next year, IMO. You're also discounting the value of a solid RB in the passing game.
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I used Seattle and San Francisco, because they are the modern teams running this philosophy in the passing era.
Pittsburgh has gotten away from that philosophy. Lats year they were 12th in passing, and 28th in rushing. That's why I left them out.
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I really, really wanted Lee in the 2nd ....... but I can see why they took Bitonio. I still would rather have taken Lee .....
We seem to agree on a lot. I felt the same way at the time, but seeing how well Bitonio is playing, I'm perfectly happy with him. During the draft, I even tried to use my prayer method (worked for Johnny Football, lol) to get Lee. I was a bit dumb struck when we drafted Bitonio, but the analysts were talking very highly on him, and I figured it made sense. We let Lava go, so I knew we'd need a guard or tackle (assuming if we got a tackle, Schwartz would move inside to guard).
Lee, has tons of talent but he also has injury issues. We needed both positions as well. I proceeded later on to start the prayer for Allen Robinson, that didn't work out either, lol. Come the third round, none of the receivers really impressed me. I did want us to trade up for Robinson though.
With this draft, is that while it was receiver heavy, the receivers were drafted early. No use reaching for players who aren't worth it. After Allen Robinson, I just didn't see a guy who could make much of an impact. At that point, absolutely no reason to make a reach.
The biggest thing is that if Bitonio takes our line to the next level, I will have no complaints. Word has it, he's supposed to play with a mean streak, and if he can do that (and help get these RBs going), it will all be worth it. I've felt our O-Line has been soft for awhile. In general, it's worked with pass blocking, but I don't think our line has done our RBs any favors. I'm really hoping Bitonio can help on that front.
The one move I would have really liked to see would have been trading our 4th to get Stevie Johnson. Petitine had to know that Johnson was available (and that's why I also try to have faith in the guy, maybe Johnson really is a huge pain in the butt). But that's the move I would have made, especially with Gordon being hurt.
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This so reminds me of the conversations that have been on the boards for years. We'll see what you guys will say in October about our WRs and offense.
Honestly I am just flabbergasted at your decision to harp on the WRs... as well as the assertions that you would have taken Jordan Matthews in the 2nd round. It seems like someone has possessed your body (or at least your username). All the way leading up to and even a little after the draft, you harped on how ridiculous everyone on this board was who suggested taking a receiver early, why the change in stance? I don't get it.
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Re: Wide Receiver Thread [Re: candyman92]
#1143054 - Fri Apr 11 2014 08:13 PM
Agreed. And we keeping thinking WRs and TEs are going to save us. It ain't working.
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Re: Wide Receiver Thread [Re: Brownoholic]
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This is a deep WR class.
We signed two FA WRs. We have Gordon. We have a TE who is like a WR.
It would be stupid to draft a WR high, but then again, we are always stupid and do it over and over and over.
And then we wonder why we can't even sniff .500.
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I have continually said that we have spent too many high picks on receivers. You see that word? Receivers. Do you see the too many high picks part? I have also said we have reached on qbs and then panicked when they didn't work out.
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We drafted WR's such as:
1999:Kevin Johnson---very top of round 2
2000: Dennis Northcutt---top of of round 2-----------we also drafted Travis Prentice in round 2 of that draft and the WR Jujan Dawson in round 3.
2001: Quincy Morgan, another WR at the top of round 2.
2002: William Green, RB in the middle of round 1 and the WR Andre Davis in second round.
2004: K2, a TE, but really a WR at number 6 overall.
2005: Leon at number 3 overall.
2006: Travis Wilson early in round 3.
2009: Robo and MoMass in round 2.
2010: Hardesty in round 2.
2011: Greg Little in round 2.
2012: Gordon in the supplemental draft, which cost us a second round pick last year.
You don't think that is a huge investment in skill positions? Seriously?
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Re: Watkins vs Evans [Re: BpG]
#1128987 - Fri Mar 07 2014 04:51 PM
I will puke if we take yet another WR high in the draft. Man, the boards and the Browns have always been fascinated w/receivers.
Maybe because it has worked so well.
Re: Watkins vs Evans [Re: Swish]
#1129022 - Fri Mar 07 2014 06:08 PM
No, that isn't what I mean at all. We actually had good QB play that year.
What I do mean is that we have drafted Kevin Johnson, Quincy Morgan, Andre Davis, K2, Leon, Robo, MoMass, Little, and Gordon [in reality]. Did I miss anyone?
You get it now?
LOL............probably not.
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How can you make such a dumb statement?
We have spent high draft picks on receiver after receiver after receiver. Where has it gotten us?
Kevin Johnson
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We have invested more high picks on receivers than any other position and we can't even win half our games. Yet, you want to ignore the most important position on the field once again and draft yet another "play maker."
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Re: Browns select Joel Bitonio with the 35th overall pick [Re: candyman92]
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Supposedly Bitonio was such a BPA that when our pick came around there was no body close to him. yeah we should have passed him up - let me guess you would have preferred us to take a WR...the most over rated position in the NFL!
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If he's BPA then draft him. If you truly think a punter is BPA, draft him.
On this site, we overrate the hell out of offensive linemen. We glorify them more than any unit in football. Yet teams with crap o-lines win super bowls like Seattle and Pittsburgh. If you want to talk defensive line, you'll have a favorable argument.
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Ridiculous post. This board overrates WRs more than anything else.
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Re: Teddy Bridgewater (...one more time....) [Re: ]
#1145812 - Mon Apr 21 2014 09:09 PM
Almost all of Brown's nations are in love w/WRs.
Probably because we have so successful by drafting them high over and over and over and over.
After all, why fix what isn't broken?
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Ouch. 
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My comment was in relation to Sammy Watkins. I stand by it, taking a WR at #4 would have been a disaster. We didn't just not take one at 4, we didn't take one in the entire draft.....
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And I have no issue with that. That post was about repeatedly harping on what a bad idea it would be to take a WR high in the draft, referencing all the top-of-the-second-round guys we have taken in the past as evidence, and now the (apparent) 180° that I don't understand.
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Boom goes the hypocrisy dynamite!!
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Which some seem to question given the circumstances and I believe rightfully so.
No, I'm not talking about the first round, but I'm one of those that believe Lee would have been a steal.
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I really, really wanted Lee in the 2nd ....... but I can see why they took Bitonio. I still would rather have taken Lee .....
If we had taken a WR, I would have rather had Jordan Matthews. He went to Philly and they have a better team than Jacksonville. I like the QB they took (Bortles) but I'm not sure he'll get many starts this year or, more precisely, how many starts they plan on giving him this year.
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I don't think it was an act of nutrition...3 ok ZBS in FA check...WR in draft check.
I think it was about the individual. We thought (and surprise surprise so do I) Except I called it after the first round...was calling for this pick and a rarity happened...WE DID!!!
This kid is special. I am actually surprised at you Vers...touting perimeter as the way to go rather than Interior.
Need...We instead went FA with the WR...? I don't get your WR kick all of a sudden. Not you at all. And no you stating 3 FA OGs who this kid will surpass in no time. Is not going strong for OL... We've known for a long time the way to go OL is draft...the way not to go WR is draft.
Instead we chose FA WRs not FA OGs...and drafted the OG not the WR...I don't see where you are going on us missing the boat somewhere. Farmer is doing a very solid job.
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I have liked both Woods and Lee for a long time. I hoped we might draft Woods, but he went to Buffalo last year. (and had a really nice season, especially given the QB shuffle in Buffalo last year) I think that Lee will also be a really good NFL WR.
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I really, really wanted Lee in the 2nd ....... but I can see why they took Bitonio. I still would rather have taken Lee .....
This is much better than your reaction shot to the pick, lol...
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I despise, loath, abhor, hate, and am repulsed by this pick.
What an idiotic pick. We don't need an OL .... so we take an OL. 
I take back a lot of the good I said about Farmer. This was a stupid, wasted pick.
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I really, really wanted Lee in the 2nd ....... but I can see why they took Bitonio. I still would rather have taken Lee .....
This is much better than your reaction shot to the pick, lol...
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I despise, loath, abhor, hate, and am repulsed by this pick.
What an idiotic pick. We don't need an OL .... so we take an OL.
I take back a lot of the good I said about Farmer. This was a stupid, wasted pick.
Yeah .... I was really kinda ticked off about the pick.
I get over this stuff rather quickly though. I still would have taken Lee though.
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