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Well, the Cavs have given themselves a 3-4 year window right now to win the title. The East is so weak right now (especially with Paul George's injury) that they must take advantage.
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I like that kind of window, I just want one championship. Those odds are good.
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I like that window, too! I just wish we could have kept Wiggins in the deal. But, hopefully, we see some improvement in Waiters and Irving continues to grow playing beside the best player in the game. I think this is the first time since Daugherty and Price, Kosar and crew, and the Tribe of the '90s that I actually have a smile on my face. This could be a fun ride in Cleveland the next couple years! 
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I might venture that the window is more like 4-6 years. They seem to be putting this together in a way that allows them to keep all of the major pieces for a very extended period of time, and we're not giving up the farm to get Love, so we'll still have pieces to plug in later down the road, too.
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Well, the Cavs have given themselves a 3-4 year window right now to win the title. The East is so weak right now (especially with Paul George's injury) that they must take advantage.
I like that kind of window, I just want one championship. Those odds are good.
The City just wants one, anything more than that would just be dressing.
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I might venture that the window is more like 4-6 years. They seem to be putting this together in a way that allows them to keep all of the major pieces for a very extended period of time, and we're not giving up the farm to get Love, so we'll still have pieces to plug in later down the road, too.
Yeah ... Irving has already signed on for 5 more years. Love has supposedly agreed to a 5 year extension after this year, so he's on for another 6. Lebron will most likely stay until he falls apart, so the key is keeping all three of these guys healthy for as long as we can. If that works, we should be good for at least 5-6 years. But these are our guys, this is the bed we've made.
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Love definitely is a huge piece. I hate giving up Wiggins, but the way I am going to look at it as is this ...... if they hadn't had unbelievably incredible luck, then we would have had the 9th or so overall pick, not Wiggins. I wouldn't have minded trading that chip. Actually, this is a much better deal than a lot of what was reported earlier ...... where we were going to take on players and give up Wiggins, Bennett, Waiter, Thompson, and multiple 1st rounders. I guess I can live with only giving up 3 pieces. (and I hope that's what it winds up being, saving our non guaranted deals so we can use those non guaranteed deals to improve even more.  )
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Honestly giving up Bennett makes me happy. Wiggins, Kwame Brown, and a 1st for Love? Yes Please 
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So this is our roster as of now:
PG: Irving, Dellavedova, Lucas III ... and possibly Billups
SG: Waiters, Miller, Joe Harris (our 2nd round pick) ... and possibly Ray Allen
SF: Lebron, James Jones ... and possibly Marion
PF: Love, Thompson ... Malcolm Thomas, Eric Murphy, and Dwight Powell (The two non-guarantees and Powell who we have the draft rights for)
C: Varejao, Haywood
We still have some decent trade chips there. I think Center is our real weak spot though. We could really use a defensive cog there ... and someone who won't get injured would be preferred.
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So this is our roster as of now:
PG: Irving, Dellavedova, Lucas III ... and possibly Billups
SG: Waiters, Miller, Joe Harris (our 2nd round pick) ... and possibly Ray Allen
SF: Lebron, James Jones ... and possibly Marion
PF: Love, Thompson ... Malcolm Thomas, Eric Murphy, and Dwight Powell (The two non-guarantees and Powell who we have the draft rights for)
C: Varejao, Haywood
We still have some decent trade chips there. I think Center is our real weak spot though. We could really use a defensive cog there ... and someone who won't get injured would be preferred.
Do we still have that $ 3 million trade exception from the Gee deal? If so, that could help too.
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So this is our roster as of now:
PG: Irving, Dellavedova, Lucas III ... and possibly Billups
SG: Waiters, Miller, Joe Harris (our 2nd round pick) ... and possibly Ray Allen
SF: Lebron, James Jones ... and possibly Marion
PF: Love, Thompson ... Malcolm Thomas, Eric Murphy, and Dwight Powell (The two non-guarantees and Powell who we have the draft rights for)
C: Varejao, Haywood
We still have some decent trade chips there. I think Center is our real weak spot though. We could really use a defensive cog there ... and someone who won't get injured would be preferred.
Can Irving and Waiters play together? Does that matter with Lebron on the floor?
And yes, I don't see a lot of defense there. Marion will help, Allen won't (from my knowledge).
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Lebron is one of, if not the best defensive player in the league. So there's that.
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Right. But I would think we'd need a few more guys playing strong D to win a title.
To further explain my other comments, I remember Irving and Waiters not getting along on the court. Each of them wanted the ball or Irving opting out of the play too often. Something about them not playing well together.
Maybe with Lebron on the floor, that changes.
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Lebron changes everything. Anything and everything that happened last eyar does not matter with Lebron and Love on the court. Now that the Love thing is done or once it actually gets done, I expect Marion and Allen to sign.
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Dion mentioned in a recent interview that part of the problem was he & Irving rarely had floor time together and it takes time to figure things out.
The writer went and verified it and between Dion coming off the bench, then starting a small batch before Kyrie got hurt, the pair only played 26% of the Cavs floortime minutes together last year.
Plus, add in that Blatt may have a different system that requires a bit more motion and movement that may have disrupted them if they had chemistry or may help them now. There are a lot of variables here.
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Well, the Cavs have given themselves a 3-4 year window right now to win the title. The East is so weak right now (especially with Paul George's injury) that they must take advantage.
I like that kind of window, I just want one championship. Those odds are good.
The City just wants one, anything more than that would just be dressing.
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Right. But I would think we'd need a few more guys playing strong D to win a title.
To further explain my other comments, I remember Irving and Waiters not getting along on the court. Each of them wanted the ball or Irving opting out of the play too often. Something about them not playing well together.
Maybe with Lebron on the floor, that changes.
Dion has said that he is studying how Wade operated on the court with Lebron, so that he can better play alongside Lebron.
If I'm Dion, I am working on a couple hundred spot up jumpers every day. Get the pass, and shoot .... no dribbling .... just put the shot up.
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Dion has said that he is studying how Wade operated on the court with Lebron, so that he can better play alongside Lebron.
Was just going to post this. I hope so. I hope he turns into a great off-ball mover that can hit his open looks and also play some decent D. I'm less worried about Kyrie as I know he can be a great 3-point shooter.
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I don't want just one. I want a few each!, and I want them all within a few years of each other.
I don't live in Cleveland and never have, but I am from Lorain so I know what it's like when things are 'down' on the lake so I care about Cleveland and I want an entire turn around for our city, not just an athletic one.
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I just thought of something.
We have 3 protected 2015 1st round picks. We are reportedly sending a protected 2015 1st round pick to the Wolves in the Love deal .... so that would imply either the pick from the Heat, or the pick from Memphis.
We have some weirdness going on in this coming draft. We could have 3 1st rounders, or 1. (and then one traded to the Wolves for Love) The Bulls can swap 1st round picks with us. (but are almost certain not to do so with us having Love and Lebron added to the team.
So, it seems that we will have our own 1st round pick in the 2015 draft, and either the Heat pick (protected 1-10) or the Memphis 1st round pick. (protected 1-5 and 15-30 ..... but which becomes unprotected in a couple of years)
Now I am not sure how trading draft picks works when you have multiple 1st rounders, but we have that Bulls swap option on our pick, which seems to indicate that we will hold that pick. We have traded our 2016 1st rounder to Boston .... so I don't think that we are even able to trade our 1st round pick this year, or in 2017. That would seem to mean that we will trade either the Heat pick, or the Memphis pick.
We have also traded our 2015 2nd rounder to Utah .... but have Boston's 2015 2nd rounder back. (which should be much higher than our 2nd rounder)
I think that's all correct.
In 2015 we have:
Our 1st round pick.
The Heat 1st round pick. (Protected 1-10)
The Memphis 1st round pick, protected 1-5 and 15-30 this year)
Boston's 2nd round pick.
We will trade one of those 1st rounders to Minnesota, but not our native 1st rounder, as we have already agreed to trade our 2016 1st rounder to Boston. (and that would have us trading 2 1st round picks in a row, which I believe is still not allowed)
I don't know which pick, out of the other 2, I would rather trade.
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Just wanted to post this: Cavs' Dion Waiters looking to study Wade on how to play with LeBron - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bask...lay-with-lebronNo. 4 pick in the 2012 draft Dion Waiters has been a decent offensive weapon during his first two seasons in the league. He's a very streaky shooter who likes to be aggressive while dominating the ball. It's a style of play that is fine for a young guy learning his way in the league, but with the Cleveland Cavaliers bringing LeBron James aboard, he'll have to refine the way he attacks on the court. He won't be afforded the same usage rate and amount of dribbles in a possession he's used to. Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com tells us Waiters is planning on changing his game to be better suited to run alongside James and Kyrie Irving. He's going to study the way Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade played with LeBron and try to pick up tricks for playing off the ball and figuring out how to be more involved on offense without the ball. "I have to make adjustments," Waiters said. "I like to have the ball, and we have Kyrie, and he likes to have the ball. So I have to find ways to impact the game without having the ball. I'm planning to go watch tape to see what D-Wade did when he played with LeBron. I need to learn how to be effective out there with him." Wade and Waiters have similar styles of games; neither is a strong outside shooter who would excel waiting on the perimeter for James to deliver a pass. It took Wade awhile, but he learned to be highly effective cutting off the ball and finding space playing alongside James. Heat coach Erik Spoelstra also constructed effective rotations where Wade played frequently without James on the floor. "[Wade] is a ball-dominant guard, too, and when LeBron came over, he had to change his game, too," Waiters said. "He was so efficient, though, and that really helped their game. I think I can learn a lot from what he did." Waiters averaged 15.9 points in his second season in the NBA but needed 14.2 shots to get those points. He made 43.3 percent of his shots and 36.8 percent of his 3-pointers. It's hard to trust that 3-point percentage because he made just 31.0 percent of downtown attempts his rookie season, so it's hard to know which shooter to expect moving forward. But next to LeBron, he'll be able to spot up for better shots from outside, which gives him a good chance of taking better shots with a higher accuracy in those situations. Even compared to the 2013-14 version of Wade in which his reputation fell from being a top 10 player in the NBA to a long-term detriment to the Heat's plan, he still averaged 19.0 points and made 54.5 percent of his shots. He was a horrendous 3-point shooter at 28.1 percent, but he only took 32 attempts in 54 games. Waiters took 250 attempts from downtown last season. Learning to play off the ball, cut to the basket at the appropriate time in David Blatt's offense, and know when LeBron is looking at him to connect on a play could turn him into a very dangerous third option. If the Cavaliers trade for Kevin Love, having Waiters as a patient, explosive fourth option would be even better.
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Obviously, I am excited. This is the deal I wanted from the beginning. Love is going to be huge for our offense. As far as Waiters goes, here is a video I posted earlier and how he might fit in this year. Our roster has changed since this vid, and you can see how great LeBron, Love, Miller, and Jones will fit in. I am posting it again mostly because of how Waiters might fit in: https://www.youtube.com/v/yO3bJB9JcTo
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Yeah, Dion is really going to have to change his game.
It shouldn't be a problem so long as he isn't a malcontent.
We're going to be pretty bad defensively.
If/when Andy goes down, we're going to be playing a lot of small ball.
Hoping we can pick up a center to protect the rim. Doesn't have to be a monster.
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PG: Irving, Dellavedova, Lucas III ... and possibly Billups
SG: Waiters, Miller, Joe Harris (our 2nd round pick) ... and possibly Ray Allen
SF: Lebron, James Jones ... and possibly Marion
PF: Love, Thompson ... Malcolm Thomas, Eric Murphy, and Dwight Powell (The two non-guarantees and Powell who we have the draft rights for)
C: Varejao, Haywood
We still have some decent trade chips there. I think Center is our real weak spot though. We could really use a defensive cog there ... and someone who won't get injured would be preferred.
You're not gonna believe this, but I think Kosta Koufus would fit at backup center. He's not the same guy from Ohio State. Shawn Marion would be our "shane battier."
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I think this lineup would be fine on defense-
Irving
LBJ
Marion
Love
Andy
Marion is a "final piece" type of guy.
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Can you guys just wake me up when the Eastern Conference Finals start?....Thanks.
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What do folks think about a guy like Omer Asik?
Houston traded him to New Orleans as part of trying to free up space to go after LBJ. Originally, Houston had moved Dwight Howard to PF to let Asik play Center, but at some point Asik became a back and then got injured.
We might be able to pry him away for a draft pick and some cash (which is what htey gave up to get him), or perhaps a couple of those players we picked up with expiring contracts (or whatever) so that we can dump some cap space to make room.
Browns is the Browns
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Can you guys just wake me up when the Eastern Conference Finals start?....Thanks.
After the garbage I watched the last 4 years, I am watching every game this year.
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Can you guys just wake me up when the Eastern Conference Finals start?....Thanks.
Heheh, truth.
All of this may have just created the most "boring" regular season, ever.
Browns is the Browns
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After the garbage I watched the last 4 years, I am watching every game this year.
Yeah exactly ... texted my wife this morning that we're probably going to have to get NBA Pass now.
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After the garbage I watched the last 4 years, I am watching every game this year.
Yeah exactly ... texted my wife this morning that we're probably going to have to get NBA Pass now.
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What do folks think about a guy like Omer Asik?
Houston traded him to New Orleans as part of trying to free up space to go after LBJ. Originally, Houston had moved Dwight Howard to PF to let Asik play Center, but at some point Asik became a back and then got injured.
We might be able to pry him away for a draft pick and some cash (which is what htey gave up to get him), or perhaps a couple of those players we picked up with expiring contracts (or whatever) so that we can dump some cap space to make room.
We ave hot the $3 million limit for adding cash into deals for this year ..... so no more of our deals can include cash from the Cavaliers.
I would love Asik, but I seem to recall that he was heavily sought after just a year or so ago ..... so if he became available, I would think that other teams would be able to outbid us.
Plus, we aren't going to be able to trade our own 1st draft pick till 2017 or so. We have traded our 2015 1st rounder to Boston, so we have to use our 2014 and 2016 picks. That limts what we can do as well.
We are going to have to find a cheap big ......or maybe even just a young big who can defend only. .
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Guys this was all because of Chris Grants master plan. 2009-2010 Mo Williams Anthony Parker LBJ Antwan Jamison Shaqs corpse 2014-2015 Kyrie Waiters LBJ Love Varejao Good lord, I don't care about chemistry. Next years squad would obliterate that 2010 team.
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Ha ha! Ain't that the truth. I remember those 2008-2010 years when literally one out of 3 games was on ESPN, TNT or NBA TV.
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Do they still offer the package where you get like 5 teams?
I was thinking Cleveland, Portland, LAC, San Antonio and hell maybe Minnesota.
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You know ...... people have joked about whether or not Lebron and Gilbert had a secret plan to tank, rebuild with young talent, and then have Lebron come back when the time was right .......
As absurd as that may seem on the surface ..... look at how things have worked out .....
We rebuild the team with a ton of young talent, who desperately need leadership. Lebron goes into free agency the same year Kevin Love makes it 100% clear that he will not re-sign with the T'Wolves. Lebron then chooses the Cavaliers, right after Love states that he would love to play for the Cavaliers if Lebron heads there as well.
The conspiracy theorists have a lot to work with here.
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I was thinking Cleveland, Portland, LAC, San Antonio and hell maybe Minnesota.
The pricing and packages aren't available yet. I looked at last years pricing, and it was apparently $200 for the Premium (Most games) package, and $130 for the 5 team choice package. I guess the big caveat though was that the League Pass wouldn't show games that were on NBA TV, so if you don't have that as part of your package (and you need a pretty good package to get it) ... then you would still miss games.
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You know ...... people have joked about whether or not Lebron and Gilbert had a secret plan to tank, rebuild with young talent, and then have Lebron come back when the time was right .......
As absurd as that may seem on the surface ..... look at how things have worked out .....
We rebuild the team with a ton of young talent, who desperately need leadership. Lebron goes into free agency the same year Kevin Love makes it 100% clear that he will not re-sign with the T'Wolves. Lebron then chooses the Cavaliers, right after Love states that he would love to play for the Cavaliers if Lebron heads there as well.
The conspiracy theorists have a lot to work with here.
I've said that since the decision...something about it all seemed off. And then things started happening and all came the culmination of this summer. Which could go down as the biggest worst to first ever..this team will be stacked with staying power
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